Dive into the fray with host Ben Domenech, publisher, and co-founder of The Federalist, as he welcomes Charles Murray, the author of  “Facing Reality: Two Truths About Race in America,” “The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life,” and other titles.

In this conversation, Ben and Charles discuss the state of identity politics in the American mainstream, the influence of traditional media in the popularity of “wokeness,” and the wealthy “elites'” lack of respect for traditional Americans in “flyover states.”