Dive into the fray with host Ben Domenech, publisher and co-founder of The Federalist, as he welcomes American author and journalist, Lionel Shriver.

In this conversation, Shriver explains why she believes Britons are reveling “in being ordered about and told what to do,” throughout the pandemic. They discuss Shriver’s love of difficult people, those who question the rules, and the importance of liberty and freedom in the time of COVID-19.

Later, Shriver previews her upcoming novel, Should We Stay Or Should We Go, available June 8th.

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