Dr. Marty Makary: Fauci Weaponized Science Itself

Dr. Marty Makary, professor at Johns Hopkins, member of the National Academy of Medicine, and author of The Price We Pay – What Broke American Healthcare and How to Fix It joined guest host Harry Hurley to discuss the latest on the censorship surrounding the COVID-19 pandemic.

Listen to the full interview below:

Dr. Makary had this to say about Fauci and the First Amendment:

“When you have (Fauci) who funds everybody saying ‘We don’t know right? Are you guys are on board with me?’ That is the weaponization of science itself.”

Full transcript below:

Harry Hurley: The Fox News contributor, the professor at Johns Hopkins University, member of the National Academy of Medicine and the author of The Price We Pay What Broke American Health Care and How We Can Fix It. The great guest, Dr. Marty Makary on The Guy Benson Show, Newsmaker Hotline. Dr. Makary, welcome back, sir.

Dr. Marty Makary: Great to be with ya, Harry.

Harry Hurley: A real pleasure. Always enjoy visiting with you. And I agree with you that I believe the President Biden, the Biden administration, likely violated our First Amendment during COVID-19. It was just terrible. We find out in real time, we find out it’s even worse later how people were banished, shut down altogether, ramped down, ghosted, all kinds of things. If you just had a difference of opinion, which always was not only tolerated but such a great part, it’s why our founders oops, we got it. “We got these ten great things that we better put in there.” And the first one is the First Amendment. So they, Dr. Makary ,they felt very strong about that, didn’t they?

Dr. Marty Makary: Well, if you know about the McNamara papers or the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, you know that the government is not a good authority on declaring truth and they can’t be trusted. And we have had basically an Orwellian ministry of truth which violates every principle sacred to science and academia and free speech and in society. So, you know, Fauci and the CDC work to squash any of us that talked about natural immunity, questioning multiple boosters in young, healthy children, talking about myocarditis and vaccine complications, calling for schools to be open after the data were clear in mid-2020, they should have been open. And so social media and big tech, they colluded. And sometimes it was through these sorts of intermediary organizations that were loaded with academics. A lot of Stanford folks, the The Veritas Project is one of them. It was a very cozy relationship between government and academics and big tech, basically an intermediary group, which was a ministry of truth that big tech followed.

Harry Hurley: Dr. Makary see if you’re with me on this, and it’s not a problem if we have a split decision, we have a split decision, but I feel very strongly about what I’m about to say. Federal judges typically do not release decisions during a major United States holiday. Not only did this federal judge announce his decision, but he did so basically on our Independence Day on America’s 247th birthday. I believe this federal judge did that on purpose. This was the put out that this administration is likely violated the First Amendment. It was, I think, 150 some pages, and it strikes right to the core of how protected the First Amendment is. And we have a good fortune here. I knew I predicted the moment this decision came out that we would hear very shortly thereafter. The Biden administration is appealing the decision. Fortunately, it goes to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, which is more conservative in nature. I’d be very concerned if it were some of the other more liberal courts, because this is what they do. They want to bake something in. Oh, my gosh. And now look what you’ve done. You’ve taken this away. It’s been this way for so long. Well, it’s because you were wrong then and you made a state with it for an extended period. So that’s my theory on the timing of this and where it goes from here.

Dr. Marty Makary: Yeah. I mean, this judge basically gave us some of our freedom back and, you know, it’s desperately needed in science. Facebook censored accurate information about vaccine side effects. Twitter censored a Harvard professor who questioned the COVID vaccine in healthy children. Google censored any speculation that COVID came from the lab. LinkedIn censored my JAMA study that I posted that natural immunity was effective and that the antibodies were persistent. It was just data. I was just posting data from our top medical journal that my Johns Hopkins colleagues and I coauthored and they took it down. And if you look at the NIH and Dr. Fauci, they had email exchanges calling for a “swift and devastating takedown”. And even last week, we learned that Fauci had a hatchet man who moved conversations to Gmail from government emails that could be fired and even said in one of his emails to the media when he would aggressively criticize media outlets like The Intercept for talking about a lab leak, he said,”lab leakers are already stirring up B.S. lines of attack that will bring more negative publicity our way”. Referring to Dr. Fauci and the NIH. Look, it’s not their job to bully the media and big tech for publicity purposes. That is a violation of the First Amendment.

Harry Hurley: Yeah, this is such an important ruling. I think it’s going to stand. I think the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals will uphold it. So that will keep status quo, which is good. And then if they keep appealing it, I believe ultimately the Supreme Court will uphold it. So I think we did, as you say, we did get back some of our First Amendment, which was taken from us. It’s the guy Benson Show on The guy Benson Show newsmaker hotline is Dr. Marty Makary. I mean, it’s right down to the State Department and others in the Biden administration. They had regular meetings with Facebook. They were they were strategizing how we’re going to do this. Hey, this election is coming up. Now, this guy Makary, though, that even though that’s very, you know, reasonable, what he’s saying, it doesn’t fit our narrative. So we’ve got to take that kind of thing down. This was this was insidious.

Dr. Marty Makary: Well, it came directly from government officials. These were there were articles that were published in the medical literature that were puff pieces. And they were commissioned by Dr. Fauci and his henchmen, even said Dr. Fauci doesn’t want his fingerprints on this. I want to talk to you separately off government emails. The irony was a lot of the information our government Ministry of Truth put out on COVID was misinformation. You know, the FDA commissioner has made it one of his biggest priorities to tackle misinformation as a big committee, big effort. If you wonder what they’re doing at the FDA commissioner’s office, they’re having meetings all the time talking about misinformation and what are we going to do to address it. Ironically, public health officials who are one of the greatest contributors to misinformation throughout the pandemic.

Harry Hurley: Dr. Makary, I’m going to say this because I truly believe it. I believe that you were on cancel label during the pandemic. You’re an elegant man. The way that you brought your truth forward was was brilliant and it was intellectually honest. But as you know, there were doctors that had their lives destroyed that were canceled. I mean, to quote Ray Donovan, where do you go to get your good name back?

Dr. Marty Makary: Yeah.

Harry Hurley: It happened, didn’t it? I’m not lying, right? I mean, doctors lost their jobs and people were hurt telling the truth.

Dr. Marty Makary: Well, I knew probably more than a lot of doctors about Tony Fauci, who’s a very charming man, and he’s been around for a long time. But if you remember, during Ebola, he flew the one Ebola patient in Texas to the NIH Clinical Center to then put on his space suit, to go in there and with a photographer and do a photo op. There is no reason that patient needed to be flown to the NIH center from Texas. She was getting great care down there. There was nothing to do. There’s no treatment. They just had her on respiratory precautions. So I knew a little more about Dr. Fauci, then most people. And when he failed to warn the country of the pandemic, and many of us were out there saying, hey, we’ve got to get ready. This is going to be bad. It was very clear to me that we had we were being led by very poor people at the time. We had very bad leadership. And, you know, I’ve always tried to be civil and polite and use data, but we should have never been.

Harry Hurley: Makary, I want to… I’m not pushing back, but I’m asking you, were they really bad or did they just have an agenda and nothing could get in the way of that?

Dr. Marty Makary: Well, the agenda was let’s not do the science. Let’s not do our job. You know, NIH is supposed to be doing scientific research and informing us they didn’t do research on COVID. They ruled by decree. It’s easier. And then they just started to squash dissent. And that’s how they decided to rule. It’s a lot easier.

Harry Hurley: And as you know, Dr. Makary, I mean, Dr. Fauci said, “I am science”. They use terms that they follow the science, but they didn’t follow the science because if they followed the science, children would have been in school. We found out it’s all documented. We found out there was no reason children should not have been in school. We know that they lost from a social emotional standpoint, great, great loss because of this poor decision that was made disgraceful in every way. And do you think we’ll ever get to the truth? I mean, for some reason, we just don’t want to know for sure that COVID 19 was whipped up in the Institute of Virology in Wuhan, China. I’ve always believed it. Fauci fights against that and says every bit of science says that is natural. Every everybody I’ve ever talked to that that is that is familiar or qualified to speak on the topic says that it had all the markings and makings of something that was not natural. It didn’t happen in some wet market, you know, bats and things like that. Why can’t we get unambiguous truth on that? Well.

Dr. Marty Makary: But the lab leak is a no brainer. I mean, look at the massive cover up by China and by Fauci and his team. But if Fauci points to so-called virology experts in the United States, which he funds, he they are dependent. I’ll tell you, as an academic, as a full tenured professor at Johns Hopkins. Now, funding is the currency of academic promotion and prestige in the field. And so when you have the guy who finds everybody saying, “hey, we don’t we don’t know, Right? Are you guys on board with me?”  And that’s that is the weaponization of science itself. We’ve never seen that before.

Harry Hurley: Dr. Marty Makary, And we have perfect amount of time, about 4 minutes to chew this one over. It’s it’s a very important topic because obviously it’s happening pretty much all over the country, the gender affirming care and all of this. Our doctors all over again afraid to speak out, afraid to be canceled, children at a very young age. And hey, don’t tell your parents and the schools aren’t telling the parents. I mean, this is crazy.

Dr. Marty Makary: Well, some of the best minds in the field, Ken Zucker, Ray Blanch here, there’s a physician at Johns Hopkins in psychiatry. They’ve been run out of town. The trans activist community has basically been so hostile to them. So a lot of the people who are caring for trans children are themselves activists. Or I can tell you as a surgeon, there are surgeons who will do this gender transformation surgery. It depends on, you know, what you call it, depending on your perspective with a single note from a psychiatrist based on a 15 minute visit or two notes from two therapists giving them the diagnosis of gender dysmorphia. And in some states you can self assign the diagnosis of gender dysmorphia by just by saying, I identify in the opposite sex and then they just go ahead and give you hormones. Where’s the long term study on these hormones? These hormones have side effects in the short term. How do how are we so conclusive that there’s no long term side effects? The study that was done on these hormones had no control group. And yet, mysteriously, it was published in the New England Journal of Medicine. So we are now seeing a new era where research is weaponized. What’s the true regret rate people who transition? Does the suicide rate decrease or not? These are important questions right now that we need answers to, and it’s basically impossible to do objective research on this right now. You’re told to just get in line, don’t ask questions. And the medical establishment, the professional associations are behind it, even though it’s as clear as day. What’s happening is girls are going on social media. They’re being told a lie by other people and they’re falling for it. And then they’re just declaring themselves and saying, you know, I’m no longer a girl. And everybody says, okay, well, we have to go along. You’ve got men who are who are saying, you know what, I’m not a man. I’m a woman who these men are prisoners in California. And now they go to women’s prisons. And so how does somebody not see what’s happening right now? People are taking advantage of the way in which you can just self-diagnose without any good therapy or psychological input.

Harry Hurley: So important what you just said. Closing 2 minutes with Dr. Marty Makary, professor at Johns Hopkins University and a Fox News contributor on The Guy Benson Show, Newsmaker Hotline. Also, the age is so troublesome. I don’t know. You do. I’ve heard different ages 20. Some point when you’re 20 something, the brain is fully developed. Why in the world would we take such young people and make a life altering decision that in many respects cannot be reversed? If you have dramatic surgery to change your gender? We would never do anything like that at these early ages. You would wait to see, let someone become an adult and and fully understand we can’t get there anymore. They want to they want to cut it off with the past.

Dr. Marty Makary: There’s parts of parts of the country in the United States where you can have surgery at age 15 without parental consent. And it’s just tragic because you hear stories of people who regret what they’ve done and they’re permanently sterilized. They’ll never have an orgasm. They’ll never be able to experience a lot of things in life that they otherwise would have. And they they will never be able to have children. It’s tragic. Most children with gender confusion grow out of it, Right, that in four centuries they weren’t told, hey, you really need to consider. Maybe you need to be the other gender if when they have the normal questions of normal child development. But today we’ve seen a surge of girls on social media. They’re depressed, anxious. They see acceptance in this transgender community. And it just doesn’t make sense to me that we see girls who are susceptible to peer contagion going claiming to be transgender at rates that don’t fit medically. 20% of a high school of a 11th grade, 11th graders, 11 year old graders class claiming to be an. Non-binary doesn’t make. It doesn’t fit. We know the biologic.

Harry Hurley: Dr. Makary. I want to thank you for this wide-ranging important discussion, and I always enjoy the opportunity to interview with you.

Dr. Marty Makary: All right. Thanks so much, Harry.

Harry Hurley: You’re welcome.