Following the first debate in which Vivek Ramaswamy was very combative, this time around the GOP Presidential Candidate was trying to play nice. Former Utah Congressman and Fox News Contributor Jason Chaffetz joins the show and discusses the sudden transformation of the candidate.

“Vivek Ramaswamy actually really surprised me. He’s an important voice. You can talk about, coming out of nowhere. But he did he does two things. First of all, I thought he was he was the one that turned in morphed into the politician. You know, you all are bought and paid for and then they come back and say, oh, I’d pick any one of you in my cabinet. It’s like he was such a politician.”

Jimmy and Jason also discuss whether or not California Governor Gavin Newsom will be the Democratic Presidential Nominee for 2024. Listen to the podcast to hear what else he had to say!