Chris Christie spoke to Brian Kilmeade about a Manhattan jury finding former President Donald Trump liable of sexual abuse, defamation against E Jean Carroll. Christie also discussed how President Trump failed to deliver on key promises as President and why he can not win the general election in 2024
Brian Kilmeade [00:00:00] With me right now to break it down, a guy with a rich legal background, political background, and a great sports background. I’m going to tap into all of it. Governor Chris Christie, welcome back.
Chris Christie [00:00:10] Brian? Happy to be back, my friend.
Brian Kilmeade [00:00:12] All right. I know we’re not going to talk, Mitt. I want to keep you in a good mood. There are seven six the if you.
Chris Christie [00:00:17] Don’t mind, to the end.
Brian Kilmeade [00:00:18] So we had we have big promises by James Comer. He said, I’m going have a press conference. It’s going to change everything the way the Bidens are looked at. I want you to hear a little of the teaser, which he’s going to reveal in a matter of moments. Cut in.
Speaker 3 [00:00:31] We’re going to see whether or not tomorrow Jesse Joe Biden was telling the truth when he said that his family never received any money from China. We’re going to see tomorrow whether or not Joe Biden knew about his family’s business dealings, which we know that he said several times that he didn’t. So I think tomorrow is going to be judgment day for the Biden administration and the Biden White House. And I’m anxious to see how the mainstream media covers it.
Brian Kilmeade [00:00:57] And he just was on Fox and Friends with us, and he said that they’ve got bank records. They’re going to point right to the family business and write to the president. What’s at stake here, Governor?
Chris Christie [00:01:08] Well, enormous amount at stake, Brian, because it’s the president’s credibility which is on shaky ground to begin with because he lied during the campaign about what he was going to do if he became president. That led the country astray and said he he, you know, governed like a complete lefty. He has run up that he has embarrassed our country around the world. And so, you know, today could be an increasingly even worse day for Joe Biden. And look, I don’t have any doubt and I think anybody who’s watched him closely knows that his family has lived off him for decades, whether it’s his brother Jim or his son, Hunter. They’ve lived off them for four decades. And I think we’re going to probably see a lot of things that will make the American people very angry.
Brian Kilmeade [00:01:58] But what is legal and what is not, for example, living off what is speaking fees, that’s allowed. But what about what is he promised to do in terms for giving his family these these companies, giving them access?
Chris Christie [00:02:10] That’s the real question. Right. And he’s made it so even easier because he said he knew nothing about it. And to the extent that we show that, in fact, he had to have known about it, that he did know about it, that could really hurt his image with the American people, because, you know, not only are you going to be seen as somebody who is using your public office to allow you and your family to profit, but you’re also going to be seen as someone who’s willing to deceive the American people in order to do it.
Brian Kilmeade [00:02:39] Yeah, I just real quick, the press column is going to start we’re not going to dip into it, will bring back anything that’s relevant. But comma, Congress Commission, Armstrong, Congressman Biggs, Byron Donalds, Jim Jordan, Nancy Mace are out there. So yesterday, Donald Trump had a verdict he didn’t like. I’m sure he did. It wasn’t convicted civilly of rape, but he’s forced to pay $5 million, is liable for sexual abuse in defamation against their against his accuser. So he doesn’t have to pay that. He’s going to yet he’s going to appeal it. Last time when he was indicted, I watched you, you came on. You said, listen, getting indicted is never a good thing. But his numbers surged. What does this do for the Donald Trump candidacy?
Chris Christie [00:03:21] I just think it adds more weight to it, Brian. And look, you know, his response yesterday to me was ridiculous, that he didn’t even know the woman. I mean, you know, how many coincidences are we going to have here with Donald Trump? I mean, he must be the unluckiest S.O.B. in the world. He just has, you know, random people he’s never met before who were able to convince a jury that he sexually abused them. I mean, this guy, it’s one person after another, one woman after another. The stories just continue to pile up. And I think we all know he’s not unlucky that he he engaged in this kind of conduct. But and he talked about it himself in the Access Hollywood tape. And I was there with him when the Access Hollywood tape came out. And let me tell you something, Brian. He was embarrassed. He was embarrassed that he’s tried to change the whole history now, but he was embarrassing. Look, this kind of conduct is unacceptable for somebody that we call a leader and an aim wanting to take leadership again. And so I do I think this is a silver bullet that ends Donald Trump’s candidacy, though. I just think it’s additional weight of evidence that people are going to look at and say, you know, if he’s this unlucky Brian, if none of this has really happened, he’s just so lucky. We don’t want a guy this unlucky as president either.
Brian Kilmeade [00:04:42] But we have to say one thing, I guess, is you have to wonder why a woman comes out. Can’t even name the year it was then the mid-nineties, which an incident took place and nothing was known until the last few years when he becomes a national figure. When people say that, you know, he is being targeted. Do they have does he have a legitimate case? In that they they are coming at him from both that with both barrels.
Chris Christie [00:05:04] Well, look, Brian, everybody who gets involved in politics gets targeted. Donald Trump is trying to act like, you know, this is the he’s the first person this has ever happened to. It’s not. It’s just that he gives them much more material to target and his conflict has led to it. Don’t believe if you don’t want to believe what Jean Carroll says, that’s anybody’s right to do. But a jury of 12 agreed with it unanimously. But if you put her aside, use his own words, the Access Hollywood tape. Brian, he has said this is something he’s entitled to do. And you say, well, Governor, you know, that was that was, you know, 17, 18 years ago. He’s a he’s a changed man. Well, in his deposition, they asked him if he believes that what he said in the Access Hollywood tape about the way you could treat women if you were a star was true. And he said, yes, it’s true, and it’s very true for a thousand years. So this is a guy who believes this, Bryan. Why don’t we. Why do we keep making excuses and why don’t we listen to his own words? And his own words in the deposition said that what he said in the Access Hollywood tape about being able to assault women with impunity because you’re a star. He said, I’m a star. And that’s true today. And is it true for a thousand years?
Brian Kilmeade [00:06:26] Governor Christie, our guest. Governor, would you also say, too, that a guy named Bill Clinton had a real dicey past before he got in office as governor, then when he got his president and went after and he ends up winning overwhelmingly reelection to the American people, saying we don’t care about personal behavior. We like the policies.
Chris Christie [00:06:44] Well, look, that’s what people are going to have to determine. They certainly had that situation with Clinton. And and there’s no doubt that that’s what happened back in the early to mid nineties with Bill Clinton. But what I’m saying to you is this is not just that, Ryan. We if we want we go through the entire, you know, panoply of what he’s been involved in and how he’s embarrassed us. But even more than that, how he’s let us down. You know, Brian, he said he was going to repeal and replace Obamacare. He had a Republican Congress and he didn’t get it done. He said he was going to build a wall across the entire border of us and Mexico. He didn’t get it done. He said that Mexico would pay for it. We’re still waiting for our first peso on that deal. He said he was going to balance the budget in five years. He left us with the greatest deficit of any president in American history. I mean, put aside the personal behavior if you want. Right. He promised a lot of things. I stood on that stage in 2016 and listen to him promise those things if he didn’t deliver on them. See? So if you want to talk policies. Yes, he cut taxes. I approve that. And I give him credit for it. Yes, he lowered regulation. He made a trade deal with China that they haven’t lived up to to a third of what they promised him in that deal. He got taken to the cleaners there. He got taken to the cleaners by Kim Jong un. I mean, you know, we could talk policies and I’m happy to. I don’t want to dwell on the personal behavior, but all of it combined is a pretty sad story.
Brian Kilmeade [00:08:19] See, this is this who I fear differently? If you go to the play by play of the wall, you know that Paul Ryan gave 1.6 billion for that wall and he needed 10 to 20. You know, he did that two years in a row. So that was a Republican Congress. So what he could do is take on Paul Ryan. He did that cause great tension. And then when he got 450 miles done or redone. And then when you look at the actual policies, when it comes to the trade deals with South Korea, the USMCA, and if it wasn’t for the pandemic, they might have they might have been able to get that in gear. But then China decides to poison the world.
Chris Christie [00:08:54] Well, but, Brian, he made the deal and the Chinese didn’t live up to the deal. And what did he do about it? And by the way, on the wall, I don’t care about what Paul Ryan’s money was. He told us Mexico was going to pay for it. Don’t you repeat that, Brian. Good point. We weren’t going to pay a nickel. Mexico was going to pay for it. And he was such a good dealmaker, he was going to make it happen. So what did it matter what Congress was going to appropriate? Mexico was going to pay for it. I stood on that stage and listened to him say it over and over again. And Mexico is not paid $1 toward the wall. And by the way, if you’re the Republican president and you can’t persuade a Republican Congress what hope that we have of him if he’s president with divided government.
Brian Kilmeade [00:09:39] That we saw it with divided government. It didn’t it didn’t go to well, got the USMCA passed. He did do trade deals. I think that the reason why he’s surging, if you ask me, is how bad Joe Biden’s doing in almost everything that Joe Biden undid in terms of oil and gas production and everything he’s trying to do, trying to raise corporate taxes. Well, how he’s let the border get busted, how he let the Middle East basically turned it over to China, how he’s conducted what I think is the right move in backing Ukraine and with the way he left Afghanistan, I think all those things give Republicans a great opportunity and makes Donald Trump’s approach look more, more appetizing. Would you agree with that?
Chris Christie [00:10:23] Well, look, I agree with part of it. I totally agree with the fact that Joe Biden has created, as we predicted he would, and a great opportunity for Republicans to come in with our policies. But but Donald Trump has shown that he can’t execute on those policies. He can’t, Brian, And he’s certainly not going to be able to do it if we have divided government. We saw that in his last two years. So I do agree with you. But let’s remember who’s responsible for Joe Biden. It’s Donald Trump. He’s the person who lost to Joe Biden. He’s the only person outside the state of Delaware to have ever lost an election to Joe Biden. And it was his conduct, his failure as a candidate and his failure as a president to fulfill his promises that that the American people to elect Joe Biden. And so I can’t just let him off the hook, Brian. And we shouldn’t let him off the hook.
Brian Kilmeade [00:11:17] Would you would you also say that the pandemic, he was probably getting reelected wasn’t for the pandemic and that Joe Biden gets elected because he promised to do better and he actually did worse, interact with a with a vaccine.
Chris Christie [00:11:32] Look, Brian, I have always seethed over the course of time and you’ve seen this, too, when there’s a crisis that occurs in the country. What normally happens is the American people rally around the president. They didn’t rally around this president because he said that it was just going to go away. They didn’t rally around this president because he didn’t take it seriously, because he pursued policies that wound up not being effective with the exception of Operation Warp Speed. And so normally what you see in any type of crisis is for a president or a governor’s numbers to go way up during Hurricane Sandy and its aftermath. My approval ratings were in the high seventies because people want to rally around the person in charge if you’re doing a good job. The pandemic didn’t prevent him from winning. The pandemic should have sealed his victory, but it was his performance that led to it. His performance in the first debate, which was awful. Go on and on and on. And why is anything going to be different if we nominate the same guy again with even more baggage that he had in 2020?
Brian Kilmeade [00:12:42] Do you believe that the headwinds that Donald Trump face with the CIA now looks like they greenlighted the 51 people to sign off that Hunter Biden’s laptop was actually Russian disinformation? Things to that nature that took place. Do you think every Republicans are going to feel that from the establishment or you think just Trump brings that out?
Chris Christie [00:13:04] Well, look, I think that he brings it out more than any more than any other. But Republicans are always fighting against the mainstream media. Brian, when have we ever had a Republican colleague in our lifetime who has fought against the mainstream media? I remember back to even George Bush’s 4141 reelection campaign were in a bumper sticker that said, annoy the media, reelect Bush. I mean, this has been going on forever. Donald Trump acts like he’s the only person who’s ever fought against the media, that the media against him. I was governor in New Jersey with and you watched it with the New York and Philadelphia media, The New York Times, The New York Daily News, The Philadelphia Inquirer going after me on a day to day basis. You fight against that all the time. All the time. He’s not the only person who’s ever suffered that. But because he whines and complains constantly about it, people tend to think he’s had it worse than anybody else. And the fact that if he’s had it worse than anybody else, a lot of it, because without Congress, he’s brought it on himself.
Brian Kilmeade [00:14:09] Now, the last poll you saw, The Washington Post poll, you were on the set for the ABC poll, the president wins by seven or eight points, as does Ron DeSantis. What about people say, well, that shows that Chris Christie’s wrong, he can win.
Chris Christie [00:14:22] Well, look, if the election were held today. That’s correct. That’s correct. But the election is not going to be held today by any elections that could be held until November of 2024. And I don’t understand. We want to nominate someone who lost to Joe Biden, who not only lost to Joe Biden, but lost the House in 2018 or the United States Senate in 2020. In addition to losing the White House and the candidates he endorsed in contested races in the states that we need to win. In 2024.
Brian Kilmeade [00:14:53] Governor, what about your decision? What about your decision? When are you going to make your when do you have to make your decision if you’re going to get in? When’s your cutoff?
Chris Christie [00:15:01] In the next couple of weeks.
Brian Kilmeade [00:15:02] And when do what do you think you where do you feel right now? If I was to say you had to make a decision now.
Chris Christie [00:15:08] The good news is I don’t. So I won’t make you see that. But what I’ll tell you, Brian, is that the Republican Party needs to get serious about looking forward and not looking backwards. And we don’t need a grievance complaining, whining. And by the way, scared candidate. You know what other candidate is saying? That they might not show up in the debates? What’s he afraid of? Gotcha. Why can’t he debate Republican candidates for governor?
Brian Kilmeade [00:15:37] You gave me 14 quality minutes. I owe you. The governor, Chris Christie, Within two weeks, he’ll make a decision. Thanks, Governor.