Oct 8, 2012
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A Christian university in California is defending its decision to forbid students from aligning with the Young America’s Foundation – arguing that the conservative organization has views that are contrary to their “Christ-centered” philosophy – and the group might promote “overtly partisan” discourse.
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Azusa Pacific University said they support much of what YAF stands for “including its goal of preserving the U.S. Constitution, its values, and the God-given rights that we are guaranteed in that precious document.”
“However, YAF uses divisive language and embraces some forms of political activism that do not align with who we are as a university,” the university declared in a written statement.
Click here to read the entire statement from Azusa Pacific University.
The controversy started last week when students who were part of the university’s Young Conservative club asked to change their name and formally associate with YAF by becoming a member of their Young America’s Foundation.
In addition to promoting individual freedom, a strong national defense, free enterprise and traditional values, YAF owns and preserves the Reagan Ranch.
YAF vice president Patrick Coyle told Fox News that the request to join was turned down by university officials.
“They were told by the administrators that they could not change their name because they had looked at our website and didn’t like the language we used,” Coyle said. “I asked if there were any written rules the students had violated and he said no. He said it was just their opinion.”
Jennifer Walsh, the associate dean for Azusa Pacific’s college of liberal arts, told Fox News that the university’s student life director “was a little troubled” by some of the language.
“We are sensitive to the need to make sure we are keeping our Christ-centered identity first and not allow students to align themselves with groups that are overtly partisan,” she said.
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Coyle said the specific language they took issue with is:
“Are you tired of liberal ideas dominating your campus? Are you tired of liberal and Marxist professors indoctrinating your classmates? Do you want to advance conservatism?
“If you answered yes, then you should start a Young Americans For Freedom chapter. YAF chapters make a difference by boldly advancing freedom and conservatism.
“Radical feminists, big government bureaucrats, fringe environmentalists, race-baiters, Islamo-fascists, and run of the mill leftists are distraught that you would even think about promoting conservative ideas.”
Walsh said the club would not be a good fit on the private Christian campus.
“It wasn’t so much that YAF is promoting conservative views – it was more that it didn’t match the climate on campus,” she said. “It might encourage discourse that is overtly partisan.”
Azusa Pacific officials stressed that they welcome and support “students to engage in open political dialogue, including those with a conservative viewpoint.”
The university has an existing campus club for conservatives as well as progressives.
“APU has supported and will continue to support open and honest discourse on a variety of political opinions and ideas,” their statement read. “We strive to avoid those polarizing discussions commonly found in secular society, and instead encourage our community to examine political issues from a biblical worldview, to model civic virtue for our campus community and to encourage spiritual unity in Christ.”
Ashley Blackwell, the student who asked to launch the YAF chapter, told Brietbart.com that she was disappointed with the university’s decision.
“It is really disappointing that a school, which promotes diversity and uses the mantra ‘everyone matters’, would ban an existing club from changing her name,” she told the website.
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What could be more overtly partisan that banning a conservative club or even a liberal club.
Larry, what they're banning is a divisive HATE club. Certainly nothing to do with religion or "Christ" as a true Christian would understand him.
A typical response … when someone disagrees with you, it's because they hate you. When you disagree with someone, it's because you're enlightened.
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz Blind liberal,dont like ban,you libs sicken me !!!
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz; What gives you the right to define 'Hate' let alone 'divisive'? There is more 'Hate' on the left than anywhere else. You want to compare examples?
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz: What could be more divisive, other than banning, than determining that a certain group is a hate group purely on a political basis? How do you describe a "true Christian?"
Hey Zuzz, great clown posting—you are indeed a pathetic lefty!!!!
Alan Langley A private university has a legal right to ban the riff-raff who use and spread hate and divisiveness through their pejorative epithets and strawman rhetoric. It's not "divisive"; it's called "wise". The hatred seething from Conservatives is poisonous to civil society, and if you want proof of it, look anywhere on this site, for starters.
A "true Christian" is one who doesn't follow Power and Money, and who knows that Jesus taught to "Love your neighbor as yourself". Any person or group who advances an agenda which is decisively against those ethics isn't worthy of the label "Christian".
Alan Langley "Hatred" of hateful, bigoted, divisive racists and self-righteous demagogues is not "hatred", Alan. It's simply calling a bunch of spades, "spades".
Zizzer: They only real 'hate' that I get from these posts comes from YOU.
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz: Jesus did teach to love your neighbor but He did not mean love your neighbor unless he's conservative. You have exhibited more hate than anyone posting and I think that is the reason for the assumed name.
Frank Hill Yeah, yeah, Frank; I'm used to that point of view from the likes of you. Anyone who doesn't believe in the dubious "right" to slander and promote bigotry against caricatures and under-represented demographic groups is "hateful" huh? I wear it proudly.
Larry Clark A fair point, Larry, but maybe some of the more authentically "Christian" organizations are starting to reject this extremist, paranoid, bigoted version of "Christianity" that has become so spiteful, hate-filled, and bigoted in the past twenty years? Once could only hope…
Zizzer: We've been hoping for nearly four years now, what happened?
Zizz: "Slander and promote bigotry"? Sounds to me like you are like unto the 'pot calling the kettle black'. Further, yes, some churches are changing their mindests. Some are even taking down their crosses and omitting the concept of 'sin'. It is called 'the falling away'. So be it. Some of us, however, are not backing down, especially to those of you who have a my way or the highway, holier than thou degenerate, liberal attitude. Your anger is obvious, even hiding behind an angry cartoon figure. Me? I could care less about gay rights, or whatever. I beleive in equal rights for all; ''E pluribus unum'. But you, you and your kind are a pariah; a parasite eating away at the moral fabric of our nation.
Frank, I've got more authentic "Morality" in my little finger than YOU have in your whole church, I can guarantee you that. I've got no love nor patience for people who hide behind scripture and quotes from an error-ridden, centuries-old tome to justify their personal bigotries and hatred. I see too much of that in your so-called "Christians".
A "my way or the highway, holier than thou" attitude? Holy crap, Frank–look at your fellow "Christians" as you call yourselves. lol
Ahhh yes! Such anger. Now that's the we all know and love.
Zizzer: Perhaps someday that morality in your little finger will spread to the rest of your body.
Zizzer: Perhaps someday that morality in your little finger will spread to the rest of your body.
I challenge you to tell me how you think it hasn't, Larry. I'm not the one preaching discrimination against people for how they were born.
I challenge you to tell me how you think it hasn't, Larry. I'm not the one preaching discrimination against people for how they were born.
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz: That may be but you support discrimination of every race, nationality, and religion if they are conservative.
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz: That may be but you support discrimination of every race, nationality, and religion if they are conservative.
As usual, liberals only welcome "discourse" when they agree with the discourse. Can anyone be surprised by the college's reaction?
As usual, liberals only welcome "discourse" when they agree with the discourse. Can anyone be surprised by the college's reaction?
Does Oral Roberts or Liberty University allow pro gay rights on campus? Of course not. Why are right wingers such hypocrites.
Where will my boys not be going to for college. This joke of a college called Asuza. Thanks for narrowing down my choice.
An interesting article. If this was a State school, I would argue that the school's decision constituted a violation of freedom of speech and should be constitutionally protected. But, because this is a private institution, they absolutely have the right to allow only that which fits with their goals and aims as a university and have the right both as the owners of the school and the protections of practicing their religion as they see fit, to choose to allow or ban whatever groups they desire. Brings up lots of interesting ideas…
But one would expect that a University, if any institution, would NOT ban this YAF organization. Academia is said to champion free expression, but maybe that's a mirage as much a mirage and an education makes you smart.
I am not sure that being private insulates them. If they accept students with government loans, grants, etc. they fall under government supervision via Title IX. That I why Hillsdale College and Grove City College do not accept any government money. If you need it they find private money to use.
And, Hillsdale College has no problem finding right wing monies. The right wingers realize that Hillsdale molds Christer control freaks like no other college has.
Based on current interpretation of the law you may be correct, but I'd argue that this should not be the case. Accepting payment from government for education should be no different than accepting payment from any other lender. If the gov. chooses not to fund a private institution, that should be between the barrower and the government.
Based on current interpretation of the law you may be correct, but I'd argue that this should not be the case. Accepting payment from government for education should be no different than accepting payment from any other lender. If the gov. chooses not to fund a private institution, that should be between the barrower and the government.
Banning speech they don't agree with; that's the liberal way. Consider some famous liberals who practiced this: Hitler, Stalen Mao, Pol Pot, Chavez and many others. If a conservative doesn't like what he/she is listening to, they stop listening. If a liberal doesn't like what they're listening to, they try to ban everyone from listening. It is sickening.
Daniel, what kind of crack are you smoking? "Hitler, Stalen Mao, Pol Pot, Chavez" are "Liberals" now, huh? My god, you must be reading David Barton….
You miss the point Zizzer. Liberal or not, the point that they practiced banning speech still stands. Now try to add something meaningful to the conversation…
Huy Ngo I agree, ZZZ must be liberal because all they can do is attack and never add anything of substance. Yet too ignorant to even realize it.
In Daniel's defense, "Hitler, Stalen (sic), Mao, Pol Pot, Chavez" were all socialists, with Hitler being a national socialist. The point being that a socialist is the same or very close to liberal.
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz,
Yes they were liberals in that liberalism is nothing more than a name for leftist ideology. AKA COMMUNISM,SOCIALIST,MARXISM what ever you want to call. The only thing liberals want to liberate you from is INDEPENDENCE. And you can argue intent behind government growth but in the end the road to ruining is paved with good intention. Saddling the American businesses and tax payers with over regulations in the name of social justice is like cramming 60 people in a life boat designed to hold 30 EVERYONE DROWNS
Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, & Chavezl were all communists, aka leftists, aka liberals. They were certainly not free market conservatives.
There are only liberals and conservatives and everyone fits into the definition of one or the other?
No, but Zizzer believes because those leaders were "mean," they must be right wing. Truth is they were all on the left side of the political spectrum.
So I'm one of those people that falls in the middle. But I guess I look at it like they are a private institution and don't have to allow anything if they don't want too. People can't have they're cake and eat it too. It seems that the same people that say the Boy Scouts don't have to allow gay people because they are a private institution are the same people bad mouthing this private collage for doing the same thing. Please understand, when I say "same people", I'm not directly talking about anyone on this thread (I don't know any of you), but I am speaking towards the concervative side. This school isn't saying you can't have a conservative club, but they are saying the club they want to bring in maybe more hardline than what they want on their campus. I think everyone can agree that there are different levels of all kinds of clubs and groups and not every group/club is a good fit for every enviroment. Thanks for hearing me out! Have a a great day!
When liberals create a big enough government providing everything for everyone, run by themselves, you do, indeed, end up with a Stalenist style dictatorship. At some time the perks run out, the money dries up and the people are ensnared. Giving up freedom is done so at a great cost.
Agree with you, Scott. APU should feel free to choose which clubs can exist there. For example, if the Young Progressives support abortion, APU should be able to drop the club, since it is not in keeping with their Christian values.
In the essence of pure fairness…. (and coming from an conservative)
Hitler was a Nazi, and the Nazi's were politically syncretic.
They had both strong conservative and liberal ideals.
Hitler was a unique individual and Naziism was a unique party. It doesn't fall under the lines of right or left as we understand them.
This is why no matter which side is arguing, they are always comparing someone to a Nazi and do so erroneously.
The conservatives ignore that Naziism was extremely anti-communistic, enforcing a certain culture as the mainstream in government and at home and upheld the society and greater good were greater than the individual (as opposed to society bowing to the needs or wants of an individual).
While liberals ignore that Naziism is also anti-capitalism and anti-corporation, as well as anti-gun ownership, and was based on State controlled wages and earnings.
For what it is worth.
@Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz: No, they are LEFTISTS…and people today who identify as being liberals or progressives are simply watered-down leftists, too.
I remember back in the late 80's Henry Kissinger was asked by the University of Texas to speak. The liberal student body led by the liberal professors screamed and protested until the university was forced to un-invite Mr. Kissinger. Liberals will not tolerate other opinions, they have to resort to demonize those against their views. Yes, Chavez, Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were socialist/communist which is just a shade to the LEFT of liberalism.
Actually Hitler was a right wing extremist, NAZI were fighting the spread communism. Also, they were christians who killed six million jews. The ultimate form of barring free speech.
Chris Shalosky, how many "free market" conservatives are there? Very few real ones. Otherwise, they'd let the free market determine whether prostitution and abortion should exist.
I dispute that, Dennis Suhre, it's a lie. Hitler USED Christianity to start his own 'religion', it is no where near Christianity. Hitler was a socialist leftist…more big government..that is the opposite of our right wing.
APU did not ban the speech of the of the conservative club on campus. They did not allow them to become an official chapter of YAF. They can still express their views. It's funny to me that "conservatives" are saying that a private organization should be forced to affiliate with an organization that it does not want on campus because it expresses itself in ways that it finds destructive (not ideas it finds destructive). Are private property and business no longer the darlings of conservatism? APU has many political events and discussions, but civil discourse is expected. APU is a Christian university that skews heavily conservative compared to the US, California, and the vast majority of universities. The idea that APU is liberal simply because they don't allow just any group to form a chapter on campus is a new definition of liberal. So everyone who is not a member of YAF is liberal? When APU denied a gay-straight alliance, was that a liberal move? When they denied Latino students from celebrating Day of the Dead, was that liberal? Most of the reactions on this article are knee-jerk reactions to a predefined narrative — all universities are liberal and all professors are Marxist, Islamo-fascists who indoctrinate the young . . . . oh wait, that's exactly what YAF believes about every university. It's just not true at APU. If people actually read what the university believes, which is clearly stated on the website, the "conservatives" here would realize they are attacking their own. The right wing media got played on this one by YAF — they got them to believe the predefined narrative without anyone doing the hard work of investigative reporting.
Not a lie, Facisin ie the NAZI party was a right wing group. They destroyed the worker' unions and gave power to the corporations and used christianity to control the people. Sound familiar? Pick up a book and read sometime
Nope, left wing.
Nope, left wing.
Chris Shalosky "Truth is they were all on the left side of the political spectrum." WHICH DOESN'T MEAN SQUAT. You don't get it, do you? You, and all the rest of your fellow ideological "flockers"? Here's a clue, Chris; it's NOT about being "Left" or "Right". It's about being AUTHORITARIAN, CONTROLLING IDEOLOGUES.
Say what you will about "Commies", "Fascists", "Leftists"–it doesn't mean SQUAT. What we're talking about which is so nauseous and despicable in the Religious Right — and really, the entire Conservative movement these days—is being transparently mendacious about the authoritarian fantasies that they want to force upon people who don't subscribe to their beliefs. And the truly frightening thing is the way that they're so patently deceptive and mendacious about it. To authoritarian ideologues, Absolute Power is but an end, and lying the means to that end. IN THAT RESPECT, Hitler, Mao, and Stalin ALL follow the mold of the "Right" if you will, in that their philosophy of governing is about wielding ABSOLUTE power BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.
Try to tell me that Cheney didn't turn the government in to his own personal country club? Try to tell me that some of these extreme "religious" leaders wouldn't turn this country into some hellish Theocracy built around some radical religious ideology of they could? Newt Gingrich's "Three Generations of Republican Control"?! (or whatever goofy phrase he used?) That's DEFINITELY NOT "Liberal", my friend. THAT'S AUTHORITARIAN. Which is what the CONSERVATIVE movement has become!
Every thing you just said is true about the left….here is an example: no 32 oz cokes, no salt….these are small exampes you can understand…now you'd better go ask michelle what you are allowed to eat tonight…lol
Grow up, Tracy. Advocating a healthy diet when there's a well-documented Obesity epidemic is not the same as, say, suspending habeus corpus, denying people the right to birth control and family planning, changing the Constitution to enshrine bigotry against a demographic of people who are born Homosexual, or numerous other SERIOUS infringements of Liberty that Conservatives have either attempted, or already enacted. GROW UP already.
This is not advocating…laws were passed. Stop supporting totalitarianism …wake up! No one believes those BS talking points any more, LOL!
Yeah, OK, Tracy–you have your concepts of what constitutes "Totalitarianism", apparently–and the rest of the thinking world has ours. I didn't cite any "talking points"–I cited actual, real events that have either taken place, or would definitely TAKE place if the radical Conservatives had their way. Take off your damned ideological blinders, for crissake.
You seem to not not know the patriot act was last passed by obama. No body is denying any birth control or familly planning, the issue is who should pay for it. Homo? Who cares? Both dems and reps are against it as per the voting record in the states. The only radical is obama who thinks it's ok to kill a baby who survives an abortion attempt…so Get real get informed or get lost.
And Bush started it. Obama repealing it would give the Right plenty of political fodder to caricature him as being "weak on Terror".
And you're living in some kind of dream world if you missed the whole debate on Contraception this last year. Nobody's denying it? Yeah, sure–in what world? I guess you haven't been following the Catholic bishop's attempt to force their disastrous "Humane Vitae" forbidding contraception by the Poop onto recalcitrant Catholics?
Gay Marriage–who cares? I assure you that every gay American cares.
Abortion—if you're against it, don't have one. Get lost.
Man, you're grasping at straws. Pitiful.
hmmm, this is a "diversity" institution not a university…
hmmm, this is a "diversity" institution not a university…
It's great to see some real "Christians" and especially those who have the spine to stand up for something which actually translates to "Christ-centered" in its formulation and principle rather than just a bunch of lip-service by hypocrites! Three CHEERS for APU!
Oh? And what would YOU know about what is a real Christian? WE'RE the ones who have survived centuries of torture and abuse because of our faith, not anti-Christians like you.
You are definatly a zizzer,try not to get any of that on u,I herd it is bad for the teeth too!!!!!!!!
What, you mean supporting the party of gay marriage, abortion, and religious intolerance is "christ like"? lol. Keep sharpening your crayons anonymous liberal troll.
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz: You are the only posting so far that uses an assumed name and you question someone else's spine?
Real Christians? You mean like those would sell out their beliefs for thirty pieces of silver?
I mean real Christians who understand "Love" as Christ taught it. I mean real Christians who throw the money-changers out of the temple as Christ did. I mean real Christians who know that real religion is INCLUSIVE, not EXCLUSIVE.
Zizzer: If, as you claim, real religion is INCLUSIVE, how can you support the EXCLUSION policy of ACU?
Because you have to stand on principles and draw a line somewhere, Larry. You ever hear that thing about "teaching a pig to sing"? That pig don't sing, buddy…
It's great to see some real "Christians" and especially those who have the spine to stand up for something which actually translates to "Christ-centered" in its formulation and principle rather than just a bunch of lip-service by hypocrites! Three CHEERS for APU!
Had this been a Progressive or Liberal group this would have been a free speech issue and taken up by the ACLU. Since it's a Conservative group it is OK as according to some in the vocal majority Conservatives are all hate mongers that shouldn't have rights anyhow.
Do you not think there are conservative legal defense groups available to take up the cause?
Pacific Legal Foundation (http://www.pacificlegal.org/) does exactly the same thing the ACLU does only they focus on "conservative" rights issues…such as taking up this club's cause. So…if you think there is no one to speak up for these poor little kids who cannot go and get together with name calling national organizations to bring a little divisiveness to their college campus, why don't you give PLF a call and let them know that the poor kiddies at APU need some help. (Franky, I think PLF will tell you to pound sand because APU didn't do anything wrong)
Had this been a Progressive or Liberal group this would have been a free speech issue and taken up by the ACLU. Since it's a Conservative group it is OK as according to some in the vocal majority Conservatives are all hate mongers that shouldn't have rights anyhow.
This is an easy one. When this kind of stuff happens, boycott the university, it's backers, endowments, etc. and STOP all donations.
Must be a CINO university….and I believe their in violation of the Constitution is their actions.
Yes, William Wilson, that's the ticket. I am sure you'll stop your generous to the university you never heard of until now.
This is an easy one. When this kind of stuff happens, boycott the university, it's backers, endowments, etc. and STOP all donations.
I am christian but unlike them, I know something about the US constitution!
Another example of liberal BS masquerading as Christian values. Let me guess, the college is pro gay marriage, thinks the term 'illegal alien" is racist, that abortion is good for society, Christ was a gay married man who hated capitalism and conservatives are the white devil…oh yeah, and no more borders. It's only hate if it runs contrary to the liberal agenda.
Right wingers don't have a monopoly of Jesus, even though they think they do.
Actually the University is very much opposed to homosexuality and abortion. You can read about their values on human sexuality at their website at http://www.apu.edu/about/sexuality/
But Jesus was NOT a Capitalist nor a "Conservative" and wouldn't agree with those values. "Prosperity Christianity"does not follow the teachings of Jesus and he made it quite clear that rich men don't generally go to heaven.
And Jesus taught love above all else. Hate in all its forms is evil, period.
Jesus would agree with capitalist and conservatives, of course! Jesus doesn't believe in 'the collective'. Get real.
Like I said, "masquerading". The people in charge now are not the people who wrote the charter. Actions are always louder than words.
Wait until they try to ban a muslim club "because it's not a good fit" with the beliefs of the university. HEADS would roll if you get my drift…
Wait until they try to ban a muslim club "because it's not a good fit" with the beliefs of the university. HEADS would roll if you get my drift…
Great reply. Made my day!
yep the very people that would set women's rights back two thousand years and they love them . Go figure HUH?
And just what part of "a Christian university" did you not get? There probably aren't very many M*slims there.
Patti Patterson, open your eyes to the REAL WORLD. Just because it's a "Christian University" doesn't mean they don't have students from other religions attending. muslims have attended other Christian schools and continue to do so. Just recently they filed a law suit against a Cathloic school for the offense of having crufixes desplayed on the campus. If they did it there they will do it here. A lot of the time they will enroll just so they can start troubl over some preceived insult to islam.
Gee, Dan, you make your right wing puppetmasters proud by playing the Muslim card.
Patti!!! DO NOT censor yourself. They are MUSLIMS; saracnes, and should be identified as such.
Patti Patterson I don't know — there's enough Muslims students at Catholic schools for them to file suit on the presence of crosses being a violation of their civil rights.
You're missing the point: Notice the school said: it was more that it didn’t match the climate on campus.
So how about the national climate? An art exhibit the puts a Crucifix in a jar of the "artist's" urine is ok Even the Nazi Party was allowed to exist in this country – even during WWII.
A special note to Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz: You sound like a liberal – insulting to anyone who doesn't agree with you. If you can't be civil then the best example of a bigot is likely your own image in a mirror.
If I were a student at Azusa, I'd have to leave for another college. I would be so embarrassed to be attending this school. It obviously run by narrow simple minded people.
You want narrow minded people? Try Oral Roberts U. or Liberty U.
Yes, because you are the EXPERT, self appointed an all that, of what constitutes "narrow simple minded people."
If this had been a "liberal" club that APU had shut out everyone posting would be shouting for joy.
Its ridiculous. APU finds the proposed club to be DIVISIVE. APU strives to be non-divisive and Christ-centered. Christ did not seek confrontation, confrontation found Christ. Christ taught PEACE. (Turn the other cheek actually means TURN THE OTHER CHEEK). If APU wants to reinforce the messages of peace and love that Christ taught that is the school's right.
The students are free to continue to discuss conservative ideas in the Conservative club that already exists. And student are free to continuing discussing liberal ideas in the Progressive club that already exists. The school does NOT permit POLITICAL clubs…i.e. no Republican, no Democrat, no Green Party, etc.
There is a WHOLE LOT OF HATE here for a BIBLE BASED COLLEGE.
Anyone other than me notice that "Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz" is the only one not using their REAL name. I think it says something about ones caricature when they are afraid to own-up to what they say..
so they have a discourse that speaks of killing the unborn but to say the word Marxists is outside of being Christ like? sounds like they are on the progressive side of things and not Christ. Nothing I seen in the article said anything that would not be in line with Christ. Sounds like the libs are running the school or ruining the school.
I've read the history of the school and I think this is just a tempest in a teapot. They're a private evangelical Christian school that already has a conservative club and a liberal club on campus. They object only to the conservative club becoming part of another off-campus group that is less concerned with courteous and respectful debate than would be expected on their campus. As long as the same standard is applied across the board at this private institution, I don't have a problem with it. On the other hand, if the lefties aren't held to the same standard, then all bets are off.
Yes, because Christ NEVER disagreed with the majority and NEVER caused discord among those that didn't agree with Him.
????? You mean like how he never disagreed with the Roman Empire and that thing about busting up the money changers in the temple?
Exactly! And all the Pharisees just LOVED Him!
I think I got it now. I just love your sarcastic sense of humor. God bless you.
How ironic all the right wingers talk about banning "free speech" at a private university. Do you think at Oral Roberts University, Liberty University or the others students have "free speech"? Why are right wingers such lying hypocrites much of the time? Or, is it that many right wingers are simply ignorant, stupid and spend too much time listening to Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity? What about you right wingers who talk about "free speech" yet hated the anti-Vietnam war protesters in those days?
I disagree with what they are doing. But if it's a private school, its not a freedom of speech issue.
Multi-Ethnic Organizations
Asian Pacific American Student Organization (APASO).
Black Student Association (BSA).
Black Women United.
Latin American Student Association (LASA).
LASA Women's Network.
Japanese Outreach
Korean Fellowship
Pacific Islanders Organization (PIO).
Third Culture Network.
Social Clubs
Underground Swing
Azusa Pacific Dance Company.
Veterans of APU.
Variety For One Hip Hop Dance.
Best Buddies
626 Shredders
Athletic Training Students Organization.
Azusa United Soccer Ministry.
APU Power Club.
Fellowship of Christian Athletes.
UMOJA Step Team.
Azusa Pacific One-Wheelers (APOW).
One Voice
Service Clubs
APU Young Conservatives.
APU Students for Life.
Club Social Work.
California School Project.
To Write Love On Her Arms-APU.
One Body, One Love: Catholic Club.
APU Love and Fidelity.
APU Young Progressives.
Academic Clubs
Author's Anonymous
Phi Delta Epsilon.
Student Nurses of Azusa Pacific (SNAP).
Pi Sigma Alpha.
Azusa Film Society.
Lambda Pi Eta.
Liberal Studies Club.
National Society of Leadership and Success.
None of these clubs promote partisan views, really?
Am I missing something? I understand this to be a private college. They can do as they like if it doesn't violate the law.
So, by doing this the university saying that they would rather embrace hard-leftism? Since that is what they YAF is (mostly) designed to counter?
outside ofcalifornia, whoever heard of the place?
It's sad that we are forced to live in a world of hyper-sensitivity and political correctness. The wimps have won.
I think you mean the bullies have won, Scott.
It would appear that this is simply what it is; that APU has succombed to liberal idealisms. It is my suspicion that the most 'objected to' language was the part about "liberal ideals/Marxist professors-indoctrinating" and "Islamo-fascists" that really hit the nail on the head. It may be a little okay to be 'conservative', as long as you don't walk it like you talk it. It all comes down to banning 'uncomfortable' free speech, which is in accord with liberals today. If you do not agree with them, then you are banished.
Most Christians are usually (unfairly) accused of being "right wing extremists" who promote ignorant hate. Yet when a private Christian college tries to keep that very attitude out of its purposed "Christ-centered identity" they are condemned. I applaud Azusa for striving to follow Christ and not giving in to PC on either side
I'm confused, a PRIVATE university made a decision to not allow an organization which they felt did not align with the philosophy of the institution. Isn't that called freedom of association? Something that conservatives are very strident about protecting.
Let's flip the script for a moment. What if Liberty University were forced to allow a group that did not align with the philosophy of that PRIVATE institution? I'm sure that Todd Starnes and many of his followers would be up in arms about the violation of the right of freedom of association of LU.
The story and the comments illustrate a problem that plagues both edges of the ideological spectrum, that they are prone to point out the mistakes of the other side, while ignoring or minimizing those same mistakes made by their own side.
If you want to know the ACTUAL STORY listen to this link. It is from the Frank Pastore radio show in which he interviews Dr. Walsh from APU about this whole thing. This show actually presents the whole picture, unlike this article. It starts at minute 32.30 http://pastorecentral.com/2012/10/10/frank-pastore-radio-show-20121010-hr-2/.
The author needs to get his facts straight. APU didn't ban a conservative club, as the title of this article implies. The administrators didn't allow the current Conservative club to be formally recognized as YAF by the university, the change to the club would be mostly in name, that's it. Students are still more than welcome to participate with YAF on campus, but YAF just won't have the stamp of approval to be formally recognized from the university. Those of you commenting and calling the university a joke and overtly liberal or partisan should do your research before you make statements based off of reading this single, extremely biased article. APU is a private university, and is allowed to deny clubs on campus. If students take such issue with it, they should have attended another University.
How is it free speech when you are forcing a private Christian university to formally associate with an organization they believe runs contrary to the school's mission statement? There's already a Young Conservatives and Young Progressives Club on campus. Blackwell can freely distribute YAF material so she's far from being a second class citizen. The school has also refused to recognize the GLBT club. Maybe that's being pushed into a second class group, but not this case.