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U.S. soldiers assigned to Camp Marmal in northern Afghanistan said the removal of a cross from an Army chapel has created a “huge controversy” and at least one soldier called it a “direct attack against Christianity and Judaism.”
A Pentagon spokesman told Fox News & Commentary that the cross was removed after someone complained. He also said the cross violated Army regulations.
“Military chapels have to be open to all denominations and as such can’t have permanent symbols of one particular religion or another,” said Commander Williams Speaks.
The chapel is used for general Protestant services and a Baptist church service. There is a smaller chapel used for other services. The camp also has a mosque and a German chapel that is used for Catholic services.
Speaks said the cross was erected about a month ago – but when questions were raised the Army unit’s chaplain consulted the rules and “realized that taking it down was the appropriate thing to do.”
Army Regulation 165-1, 12-3k states:”The chapel environment will be religiously neutral when the facility is not being used for scheduled worship. Portable religious symbols, icons, or statues may be used within a chapel during times of religious worship.”
“Symbols are to be moved or covered when not in use during services. Distinctive religious symbols, such as crosses, crucifixes, the Star of David, Menorah, and other religious symbols will not be affixed or displayed permanently on the chapel interior, exterior, or grounds. Permanent or fixed chapel furnishings, such as the altar, pulpit, lectern, or communion rail will be devoid of distinctive religious symbols.”
A soldier stationed at Camp Marmal contacted Fox News & Commentary and said soldiers are very upset that the cross was removed.
“My personal feeling is that it is a direct attack against Christianity and Judaism,” said the soldier who asked not to be identified. “When you look at the regulation and you notice the four items directly quoted are crosses, crucifixes, the Star of David and the Menorah.”
The Army regulation makes no specific mention of the wheel of Dharma, Pentagram, Pentacle, Star and Crescent or the Yin and Yang symbol, he noted.
“There is a huge controversy about the cross removal,” the soldier said. “There are several like myself who never knew such a regulation existed and are speaking out about it.”
However, Speaks said there had been complaints.
“I’ve also heard that there were some that were upset about the cross to begin with,” he told Fox News. “Our job as military service members is to abide by the UCMJ and other regulations to ensure that all religious denominations and religions of our service members are treated fairly.
And that is accomplished by taking down the Christian symbol?
Speaks said it is his understanding that the rule applies not just to that particular camp – but all military chapels.
Some conservative leaders said it’s proof of an effort underway to sanitize the military and country of Christianity.
“What’s the purpose of a chapel?” asked Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council. “The timing of this – what a way to celebrate Thanksgiving.”
“There’s a sole purpose of a chapel and it’s to worship – whether it’s Catholic or Protestant. Americans who serve in the military are overwhelmingly Christian.”
The soldier said the military is not hostile towards religion. Instead, he called it a direct attack from secularists and atheists.
“If they are able to erase Christian symbols from the military, then it can be pushed to be erased in the private sector,” he said. However, rules are rules, he said – and in spite of his personal beliefs the soldier said he will follow Army regulations.
“As a soldier, I will follow the orders,” he said.
“My fight is not to have the cross put back up,” the solider told Fox News. “My fight is to have the regulation changed. My God is bigger than a wooden cross and I don’t need to defend Him.”
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When we got there, we respected their mosques while they stockpiled with weapons and used them to carry out terrorist attacks. On-base mosques were kept secured and protected from any kind of damage. Our chapels are mostly military tents and the blend into the tent city. Permanent military bases have chapels with crosses inside and out and they are no different than those tent chapels. So, how they could be violating army regulations if they are following military standards under DoD regulations? What will come next, forbid service members from carrying a bible and rosary inside their gear?
The regulation has been in place for decades. It was likely enforced by other Christians, and is meant to be fair to all denominations of Christianity as well as other faiths.
This is just plain and simple CRAP!
This is total "BS"; I am so dam sick of the idiots. We have to make them happy both in their Country and I ours. What the hell has happened to American's and America. The stand for patriotism has gone straight to hell. Learn their language, learn their way, accommodate them, F@#% them, this is our Country USA, like it or leave it. I think our soldiers should stand together and quit fighting for them a@#holes. Bring them home and run out all foreign nationals. If you don't have citizenship off you go. We as Americans are losing our right for others. When we have a base overseas, that is sovereign territory, we should have the right to worship "God" his son "Jesus Christ". I'm sure that our Muslim president will not do a dam thing about this, but George Bush wouldn't allow it.
That right is in no way violated by the enforcement of this exceedingly fair regulation, is it?
Also, your ancestors were immigrants, no? Would it be cool if I started calling them a-holes and f them and this and that?
I served twenty two years in the US Army for my rights as well as other American in this great Country. My ancestors "My Fathers, French", "My Mother, Native American; Chactow", So maybe I have more rights as an American than most, Yes. As Americans we should have to bow to no one in our Country, and if there is a base in a foreign Country, as I said earlier it is sovereign territory, until we leave that base.
Steven DeGon – did you read the article? Other SOLDIERS complained. Not the Afghans. It's ON THE FOB. So if you are calling those who complained assholes, you're calling soldiers assholes. Oh and we don't have a Muslim president and yes George Bush did allow it because that regulation existed when he was in office too. Maybe not be such a moron and actually read things how about that?
You are not representing Spokane Community College well.
Hey, Billy Bob, put your sister down long to consider that your arguments are 18th century British. (British means England- like Austin Powers)
Steven DeGon – Except that this isn't happening in America. It's happening in Afghanistan at Bagram but those who were offended were US soldiers. Not local Afghans. They could care less what we do on our bases. So maybe you read the article before commenting? Are you going to tell those soldiers who aren't Christians to "gtfo" because they don't agree with you? Don't go assuming it's always Muslims who complain – or atheists.
Is hate all we have left? Don't we just owe one another so much? It's hard to watch.
The animating spirit in all of this is Obama. One of his very first statements after taking the presidential oath of office was "America is not a Christian nation". Soon after that he began to purge the military, where he as absolute authority, of all Christian content. That included eliminating any Christian references in Air Force ethics courses at the Air Force Academy, forcing chaplains to perform homosexual marriages against their Christian beliefs, cancelling any voluntary participation in Christian charities such as the Samaritan's Purse "Operation Christmas Child", tearing down Christian symbols wherever he can, backing atheistic celebrations at Ft. Bragg and atheistic chaplains, etc., etc.. If this man gets re-elected to another four years in office, he will do the same to Christians in the broader civilian population as well, given he will not have to face the consequences of re-election. The man is a dictator, not a president, of that be certain. In his own words he much prefers dictatorial regimes like Venezuela or China rather than democratic political systems where he cannot always get his way. He is the biggest lie and deception ever perpetrated on the American people, and we are reaping the bitter rewards of that deception on a grand scale.
This regulation was in place long before Obama was even in the government. Its been around for decades and has nothing to do with "persecuting Christians" but to allow for different faiths and denominations of Christians to share buildings where there may be limited space and resources.
Dale…can you cite your source for any of this info?
In particular, I'd like to hear about these "atheist chaplains". Considering that chaplains have to be sponsored by a recognized religion…and have to have been ordained…and I don't know how someone can be ordained by an anti-religion…
I'm just confused here.
Actually you're wrong Dale Kopas – chaplains do NOT have to perform marriage ceremonies if it violates their religion. Same-sex marriage isn't even federally recognized so homosexuals can't marry someone of the same sex and have it recognized to get federal benefits. As others said the regulation existed before Obama. Others have stated for at least 30 years if not more. America is NOT a Christian country. Religion does not rule this country. Get that through your thick skulls.
Kelly Calder I stand by my comments. Just search the web to confirm them whether it is same sex marriages, which both Catholic and Evangelical protestant chaplains have said they will not perform, purging all Christian content from USAF ethics courses, atheist chaplains, and celebrations at Ft. Bragg, etc.. Go ahead and back this man, you will reap your rewards. He is anti-Christian as is his entire party. Never in the history of America has there been a president so openly divisive with his extreme class warfare policies and anti-Christian as this man, and apparently his followers such as you.
God hates us!
Teresa Casort Holland There are atheists who want to be layman (I may have the term wrong) which is as close to being a chaplain as they can be. As far as I know atheism isn't recognized as a religion by the military – again I could be mistaken so please, no one jump all over my posts and work at being a douche to discredit me. I'm admitting I may not have all my facts on THIS comment. (Not directed at you Teresa just those in general).
Teresa Casort Holland There are atheists who want to be layman (I may have the term wrong) which is as close to being a chaplain as they can be. As far as I know atheism isn't recognized as a religion by the military – again I could be mistaken so please, no one jump all over my posts and work at being a douche to discredit me. I'm admitting I may not have all my facts on THIS comment. (Not directed at you Teresa just those in general).
Michael Allen Ross No it wasnt Michael. Go educate yourself. It was an added regulation as of December 3, 2009. How pathetic of a product tester you must be if you cant do basic research.
Kelly Calder Again…. yes it is a new regulation. As others stated?? That makes it true? LOL. Typical left wing ignorance.
http://www.chapnet.army.mil/Documents/r165_1.pdf
Dec. 3rd, 2009 it was added. Thats all Obama and his cronies.
Kelly Calder You are correct – there are no atheist chaplains, which is a tremendous disservice to the great number of foxhole atheists who do serve. They are trying to get this changed because chaplains provide a tremendous help to the troops, and right now if an atheist talks to one, he usually just hears about how he needs to find Jesus, which is not helpful. Obviously they wouldn't be chaplains in the traditional sense of the term, but the atheists deserve someone to speak to them that has equal stature in the military as a chaplain.
Kelly Calder – not jumping over you, just trying to understand what you're getting at, especially since you already admitted that you might have the term wrong. As far as I know, a Layman is basically a non-ordained helper in the church. An atheist wouldn't be helping in the church, so I'm not sure what role they're trying to fill.
Kelly and Damon both – a chaplain is there to provide spiritual guidance. There are secular counseling services available for soldiers (airmen/marines/sailors) which provide someone to talk to without the religious tilt to the discussions. Doesn't that fill the role you're talking about? If I'm missing the point here, please let me know.
Teresa Casort Holland Yes I said you weren't jumping on me. Others do. I know what a layman is but there was an article about I think an officer at Ft Meade who wants to let atheists have layman status. I was also perplexed by this. That's why it's confusing but they feel that they don't have people to talk to. But I know two of the chaplains I've had were also there for those of us who were non-religious to talk to and never pushed their religion or religion period when being spoken to. But I'm also not sure why atheists need a spiritual equivalent of a chaplain or layman for their belief – or non-belief. I don't know…
I would only ask everybody to READ the article- then read it again. Now is there any doubt that the symbols section was bias- motivated in violation of our HATE Crime laws? This in direct violation of our heritage that is quickly eroding due to Government Schools and ignorance of American History. If Army Regulation 165-1 is neutral, why mention any specific symbols at all? But in reality the great fear is if symbols are removed in the military, the next step is to remove them from what used to be called the private sector. With the public distrust of the over reaching government, this is understandable. Where am I wrong?
I see nothing to suggest anything other than enforcement of army regulation after it was unwittingly violated. Why don't you reread it and replace all the christian stuff with evil, evil Jewish stuff and see how it sounds then?
I see nothing in the article to suggest anything hateful took place. Christians can use, will use, and are using that chapel. I don't understand what you're saying at all.
Wrong? Everything after "I would only ask…"
There's nothing in that regulation (such as an original publication date or a change history) to suggest that the specific symbols mentioned don't (for instance) reflect a time when judaic and christian symbols wouldn't have been the only ones anyone thought to mention. Another post here says the regulation has contained this point for at least 38 years.
That said, I agree it would be best to change it to reflect the spectrum of religious understanding so that complaints like this are [more obviously] groundless. I'm sure if someone filed a complaint about the Wiccan circle or anything else, the army would be obligated (as they were here) to enforce the regulation. The regulation is correct; if it were otherwise, it would obviously violate the first amendment, no?
There is a difference between a nation with an abundant Christian population and a Christian nation. This is not a theocracy, by design, and I'm very glad for it. I sometimes wonder if the hardcore right might not be happier setting up a Christian theocracy of their own somewhere, since they seem not to like the protections against that built into our founding documents. I'm not trying to be rude; I seriously think it might be for the best.
It is well known that the aim of Islam is to eliminate ALL other belief systems but there own. They use the sociologist ideology- Political correctness, to their full advantage to do so.
It works well here when you have a president who is both a Socialist and a closet Muslim. God Help us all!
My faith is strong enough not to require symbolism.
The regulations on symbols in military chapels has been this way for as long as I can remember(38 years?).
I honestly believe this has less to do with a perceived attack on Christianity and more to do with someone not wanting to follow regulations.
It's getting to the point where I'm more scared of getting shot by another Christian with a persecution complex than by anybody but a Muslim with a persecution complex.
Yeah, because that happens all the time. Its not the Muslims beheading, or the Occupy Wall Street or left wing environmentalists firebombings buildings and murdering business owners… its the Christians. LOL
Are all you Liberals this stupid?? Im thinking yes.
Not too long to go before the Return of Christ that's for sure, it's all happening, plans with the Temple, the 3rd temple, wars and rumours of wars, more and more natural disasters, one currency plans, NWO ideas from every angle, major governments withholding serious information from their own people, engineered quakes, Let the Lord Smite the enemy to the place they need to be.
Yeah you wait for the return of Christ. Join your little buddy out there that said the Rapture was going to happen…twice this year…hmm apparently NO ONE is saved if that's true because no one ascended to Heaven during either of those days.
How do you know the enemy ain't you to whatever extent? Let's get humble here.
"The chapel is used for general Protestant services and a Baptist church service. There is a smaller chapel used for other services. The camp also has a mosque and a German chapel that is used for Catholic services."
So this chapel is used for "general Protestant services and a Baptist church service", why can it not have a permanent Cross if it is used ONLY for Christian services? Does this reg apply to the mosque? Do they have to use a portable mihrab and remove it after prayers?
Of course the regulation would apply to a mosque that was on a military base IF the military built it. If it was already there (like in Iraq or Afghanistan after we took over bases or built around villages) then no, the reg shouldn't apply to that.
Kelly Calder Camp Marmal was built by the German Bundeswehr, not around a village. That explains why there is a German Catholic Church. But who built the mosque? It had to have been built by coalition forces. But that is really beside the point. The point is that this chapel is only used for Christian services, therefore it is a defacto Christian Church.
no wonder the world is so fucked up having read some of the comments below. praying is talking to yourself and that makes you CRAZY…
There's a place made especially for religious figures and stuff, a governmental institution isn't one, a cross is a religious figure and there's no denying that it isn't. Not everyone believes in a god, get used too it, the constitution states that governmental institutions can't put up crap like this just too please one religion.
Says who a government institution isnt one?? You atheistic assholes? Constitution only says government cant establish a religion… NO WHERE does it say government cant use religion, or allow government workers to use religious symbols.
You morons obviously dont know about taking an oath on the Bible, or starting every session of Congress with a prayer. Typical left wing jackasses.
Wow, typical nonsense going on in these comments. All of you complaining that it's an attack on Christianity either didn't read the article or couldn't comprehend it. Sounds very familiar, like all the bible thumpers who don't understand the bible contains some of the biggest atrocities ever committed. A lot of you are showing your ignorance, it's pretty amusing.
The fact remains that no one religion should take precedence over another and no one religion should be promoted over another. That's why you can't erect permanent symbols. It's about respecting other religions and other people's points of view.
You aren't special because you are a Christian, get over it. You have the same right as Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, Atheists and others. You don't get preferential treatment.
DEAL WITH IT!
LOL. A West Hollywood douchebag Liberal talking about "deal with it". Sort of how you left wing tards dealt with gay marriage?? You voted on it, you lost, and then you whine and take it to court. LOL @ your hypocrisy.
And you arent special because you are atheist. Sorry douche, 85% of America is Christian. No one asked for preferential treatment. You obviously didnt read the story, not a history book. Troll.
Yep! Just as it is said… "Good shall be bad and bad shall be good"… Interesting huh?
naaaaaaa It's like tax the rich, sounds good to them but they don't think about WHO pays the taxes… YOU and I and THEM….. NOT the ceo's! Dumb a$$ people that Can't Understand Normal Thinking!
AND… For months now I have been watching the ows and I see no difference than the ows of 911. It is the same mentality…. People that have should not have. AM I WRONG to think this way? I have seen on the news reports of rape, drugs, masterbation in public, defication in public, riots, killings, and no answer to fixing what they are tring to fix… To me they are natural born (and I thing not so many natural born) terrorist bent on taking away every freedom that is America. Just as radical muslums and I emphasize radical… IF it take a war to end a war then so be it… either political, physical, mental, or just spankin thier little social butts… something I doubt that ANY of them ever had…. A good old fashion spankin… So be it!
AND… "A Pentagon spokesman told Fox News & Commentary that the cross was removed after someone complained. He also said the cross violated Army regulations."
My translation:"A dumbass spokesman told Floxs News & scummentary that the cross was removed after some radical muslum complained. He also said the cross violated Army regulations that protect radical muslums." NOT politically correct but the TRUTH America.. Wake up!
WOW I didn't know that there were so many Dumb a$$ people that Can't Understand Normal Thinking out there….
Have you loosers ever read the "Federalist Papers"? naaaaaaaaa just another looser ideos opinion on life "god does not live" but satin does and YOU can't see him because YOU can't take the truth because YOU unliving are blind….
sooooooooooo in the end you will get yours….. live on unliving!
Follow the rules, or get out, and stop whining.
They were following the rules until douchebag Obama changed them in Dec. 2009.
Who are you talking to?
Again, for all the people who are too lazy to go to their own research….this is a NEW regulation just added under Obama. Learn to Google and stop believing the typical left wing blowhards.
http://www.chapnet.army.mil/Documents/r165_1.pdf
It was added Dec. 3rd, 2009. This hasn't been around for 30 years, and yes, we ARE a Christian nation. Get over it. Go cry in your atheist church and leave the rest of America alone.
This would not have happened under a different President.
What wouldn't have happend? A misguided soldier wouldn't have gotten upset over following the Constitution and taking the cross out? I think you're probably wrong.
Sure he is wrong but it feels so good for the simple minded to demonize.
Yeah, there probably were presidents who would have broken the law because they actually wanted to live in a Christian theocracy instead of a [divinely inspired?] religiously free democracy, but maybe couldn't admit to themselves that's what they were doing. More's the pity; we could have been a contendah, kept going forward. It's the individual religions that are killing us, making cooperation impossible. They all derive from the abstract. It's all so unfortunate.
Yeah, there probably were presidents who would have broken the law because they actually wanted to live in a Christian theocracy instead of a [divinely inspired?] religiously free democracy, but maybe couldn't admit to themselves that's what they were doing. More's the pity; we could have been a contendah. It's the individual religions that are killing us, making cooperation impossible, trapping good ideas behind walls. They all derive from the abstract religion, even the ones that wind up sucking wind and acting the fool at times.
(I don't see why one can't follow Christ and think him divine, an avatar of God, without losing that opportunity towards Buddha or Lao Tzu or Gandhi or even Muhammed or Joseph Smith or an ant on the ground. Christian is as Christian does.)
Jesus:Smith:ant- that is a series that makes some sense.
They can complain, whoever are responsible for this put down of the christian faith, but in the end We and The Lord win! God always wins as they are fools!
To Pete Burkindine and other like minded but misguided souls: You questioned the fact that I stated that our founding fathers considered this country as a Christian nation founded on Judeo-Christian principles. read on: According to Justice Brewer," America was “of all the nations in the world… most justly called a Christian nation” because Christianity “has so largely shaped and molded it".Constitutional law professor Edward Mansfield (1801-1880) similarly acknowledged:"In the United States, Christianity is the original, spontaneous, and national religion." Founding Father and U. S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall agreed:"[W]ith us, Christianity and religion are identified. It would be strange, indeed, if with such a people our institutions did not presuppose Christianity and did not often refer to it and exhibit relations with it."The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were…. the general principles of Christianity"- JOHN ADAMS..there's lots more.."The teachings of the Bible are so interwoven and entwined with our whole civic and social life that it would be literally….impossible for us to figure to ourselves what that life would be if these teaching were removed"..-TEDDY ROOSEVELT. "America was born a Christian nation – America was born to exemplify that devotion to the elements of righteousness which are derived from the revelations of Holy Scripture."- WOODROW WILSON. "This is a Christian Nation". -HARRY TRUMAN. In 1856, the House of Representatives also declared:
[T]he great vital and conservative element in our system is the belief of our people in the pure doctrines and divine truths of the Gospel of Jesus Christ". To deny that this country was founded on Christian principles is to deny the truth, and to wish to rewrite our history. It is what it is, and we have been blessed as a nation because of it.
The story mentions the camp also has a mosque. What is the mosque used for? I would be interested if the mosque "religiously neutral" when not being used for "worship" as are the other structures. Besides all of that, the fact is that sometimes people like to pray or worship during unscheduled times, and they likely find comfort in seeing a cross in a place designated as a chapel. In a war zone, where there are no fewer than four designated "religious" places set aside, it would seem it could be appropriate to allow one to leave a cross erected for "unscheduled" times of worship and prayer. We don't schedule when we lose someone or when we hear bad news from back home, or just need a moment to collect our thoughts and reflect. Somewhere in all of these regulations, we just need some common sense.
Also note there is a "German chapel used for Catholic services." So what is that? How is that equipped? Are the mosque and the German chapel also "religiously neutral" at times other than worship? Or is it just the place designated as the PROTESTANT and Baptist chapel not allowed to have symbols while the other chapels are set aside as special places for military members who practice their faith other than PROTESTANT and Baptist (which typically calls for a cross, so this part I am not really understanding). I noted there is also another, smaller chapel, set aside for "other" services.
It's really too bad we don't have all religious symbols up all the time and a brief explanation as to what each one means in the form a booklets or something similar. Perhaps even a small display somewhere so all can have a basic understanding of each other's religion. Perhaps we would develop a tolerance for all religions in this way. After all, the goal of any religious creed or doctrine should be the path to God. To each their own understanding.
“My fight is to have the regulation changed. My God is bigger than a wooden cross and I don’t need to defend Him.” — If you fight to have the regulation changed, you are defending it, I will not call IT a HE as there is no proof IT exists.
I suggest all christians and jews leave satans armed forces now, give obuma and like crowd a taste of evil. I a vet and many family but jesus is GOD.
Cockoo cuckoo
Guess you Bible reads a little differently than mine sir. I always thought that there is but one God and Jesus was his son sent to earth to forgive the sins of mankind.
Robert Lee Hedges read John 10:30
"I suggest all christians and jews leave satans armed forces now, give obuma and like crowd a taste of evil. I a vet and many family but jesus is GOD." Nicholson You do not have a glue do you! Your what called an internet troll (if you do not know what it is please look it up).
i know what a nut job
having been in the environment many times, they did the correct thing , but what to fail to realize the can have a cross just not up permanently during christian services they can bring one form the storage areas all chapels
I'm a Chaplain's Assistant NCO in the US Army, and I can say from weekly experience that neutralizing the chapel after services is completely the norm. We are trained from the beginning that we have a responsibility to support all of our troops, no matter their beliefs. This is similar to the way that we support all troops regardless of their skin color. As the old saying goes, "We're all green on the outside."
This sounds to me like a case of a participant in the chapel services being willfully ignorant of his brothers-in-arms spiritual needs, and acting selfishly. As a Christian, I can understand the concept of believing that "my belief is correct." I have such an opinion myself. HOWEVER, I have personally supported other Soldiers in their worship which differs from mine and will continue to do so, because I believe that's what my God wants of me. This doesn't mean that I have to share their belief or participate in their worship, and I don't require that of others. In this age of Agnosticism and Apathy, I'm glad to see anyone interested in spiritual matters.
Mr. Nicholson, I do not believe that we serve in "Satan's Armed Forces." We're just a collection of people who have raised our right hand and sworn an oath to serve our Nation. There are Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Atheists, and Satanists all serving side by side. We are a cross-section of Young America. I would say that the spiritually apathetic in America are in the (non)-religious majority.
As to your comment about evil, I for one will not go quietly into the night. I'm a warrior for all things good and right, both literally and spiritually, and you should be a spiritual warrior too. Please extend our President a little mercy in your opinions, even if you think that he's an antichrist.
Mr. Walker, I suggest that you give people like Mr. Nicholson a little mercy as well. The 'net has a way of making trolls of the best of us sometimes.
Blessings,
Patrick
THANK YOU!!! You need to forward this as an email to your Senator, Congressman, Representative, Mayor, Dog Catcher, etc.
You're wrong, Patrick. You're talking about a post that has a mosque as well. As far as I am concerned, if the mosque is allowed, then so should a cross and a Star of David and the image of Buddha. Too long have we allowed the "easily offended" to run roughshod over our rights. It's past time to start bitch-slapping these assholes and send them home crying.
Couldn't have put it better myself, you're the man.
Couldn't have put it better myself, you're the man.
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They bow to the muslim and jews, of course to the atheist, a well as the other butt-wipes that want to bring down CHRISTIANITY.
The thing that bothers me most is the way non-informed people fall right inline.
The educated (see above) can manipulate the masses (ie. ~20% control the ~80% of Americans including you dudes in Canada,) so easily.
Apparent;ly, no one cares that this republic dwindled into a democracy which has now been peised to real socialism.
The constitution says to separate church and state, and chaplains aren't just there for Christian soldiers. There are Jewish soldiers, Atheist soldiers, Wiccan soldiers, and even Muslim soldiers. The cross in an army bass, FUNDED BY THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT, would make non-Christian soldiers feel uncomfortable or out of place. Also, since Christianity has already been shoved down most American's throats, it'd best to not carry that bad (no, sorry, TERRIBLE) habit to an international level. You can be Christian all you want, just remember that not everybody else is a part of your religion.
The constitution says to separate church and state, and chaplains aren't just there for Christian soldiers. There are Jewish soldiers, Atheist soldiers, Wiccan soldiers, and even Muslim soldiers. The cross in an army bass, FUNDED BY THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT, would make non-Christian soldiers feel uncomfortable or out of place. Also, since Christianity has already been shoved down most American's throats, it'd best to not carry that bad (no, sorry, TERRIBLE) habit to an international level. You can be Christian all you want, just remember that not everybody else is a part of your religion.
Re-read what this soldier is saying:
“My personal feeling is that it is a direct attack against Christianity and Judaism,” said the soldier who asked not to be identified. “When you look at the regulation and you notice the four items directly quoted are crosses, crucifixes, the Star of David and the Menorah.”.
The Army regulation makes no specific mention of the wheel of Dharma, Pentagram, Pentacle, Star and Crescent or the Yin and Yang symbol, he noted.
“As a soldier, I will follow the orders,” he said.
“My fight is not to have the cross put back up,” the solider told Fox News. “My fight is to have the regulation changed. My God is bigger than a wooden cross and I don’t need to defend Him.”.
I commend this soldier and the comrads who support him. He makes a good point. Here in America the hospitals have removed the crosses from the hospital chapels. You can see where we are headed.
Patrick Poe: If you don't stand for something you WILL fall for anything.
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