Jul 24, 2012
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The head of Miami-Dade County Public Schools wants to evict a Southern Baptist church that rents space in one of their buildings because of the congregation’s opposition to homosexuality.
Supt. Alberto Carvalho released a statement to a local television station alleging that Impact Miami’s opposition to homosexuality “appears to be contrary to school board policy as well as the basic principles of humanity.”
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“I have asked for immediate legal review to seek the termination of the contract that is involved,” he told Local10.com. “I am making this decision not on the basis of policy or politics but as a rejection of prejudice and intolerance.”
Pastor Jack Hakimian preaching at North Miami High School. Photo courtesy of Impact Miami
The controversy surrounds Impact Miami, a new Southern Baptist church that is currently renting space inside North Miami High School for their Sunday worship services.
When President Obama announced that he had evolved on the issue of gay marriage, Pastor Jack Hakimian preached two sermons explaining the biblical position on homosexuality.
One of the sermons was titled, “Gays and Sex Addicts Can Change and Should Change.” Another was titled, “Pedophiles Use the Same Argument as Homosexuals and the Weed Smoking Community.”
“The school board chair, as well as the superintendent, have both reviewed the allegations and found this disturbing and appalling,” school spokesman John Schuster told www.Local10.com.
Pastor Hakimian said he and his congregation have been unfairly labeled as bigots. He said they are facing eviction from their space simply because he preached that homosexuality is a sin.
“It’s about a message that homosexuality is a sin that God wants to redeem as all other sins,” he told Fox News.
The church pays nearly $1,500 a month to rent the high school facility and said “as taxpayers we have the right to assemble in public spaces.”
“I never thought I would be penalized for teaching on Christian marriage and sexual ethics from the Bible – the very bible that presidents swear on,” he said.
Impact Miami is affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention, the nation’s largest Protestant denomination. SBC President Fred Luter told Fox News that the controversy is a “sign of the times.”
“We’re living in a day and time when people are calling wrong right and they’re calling right wrong,” Luter said. “Any time a man of God stands up for the Words of God, I think we should expect opposition – simply because of the fact that God’s ways are not man’s ways.
The possible eviction has enraged religious liberty groups – several of whom have already volunteered their services to defend the pastor and the church should they be thrown out of their meeting space.
“He has the right to be able to speak on Sunday from the Scriptures and speak about his viewpoint on human sexuality,” said Mat Staver, president of the Liberty Counsel. “This is not someone who is advocating violence or some whacko that is extreme that would be a threat to society. This is a pastor who is speaking on issues from their own moral, political and biblical perspective.”
Staver told Fox News that he’s had a chance to review the pastor’s sermons and noted that the messages were in line with that millions of Americans believe.
“It is not contrary to humanity,” he said, refuting the school superintendent’s allegations. “It is absolutely outrageous that you would have a superintendent who would (think) along these lines.”
Staver called the attack on the Miami church a serious threat.
“It’s serious for all of us,” he said. “If we lose the right to free speech in this area – we lose it in every other area.”
Staver said their organization and other religious liberty groups have feared that homosexual advocates might use anti-bullying laws to go after ministers.
“This is coming right into the very pulpits of churches and pastors will ultimately have their messages censored and they’ll be discriminated against because of the positions they take on human sexuality – and specifically homosexuality,” Staver said. “This is Exhibit A of that threat.”
Joel Oster, senior counsel with the Alliance Defending Freedom, told Fox News the U.S. Constitution is clear on matters regarding free speech.
“A school cannot be listening to sermons and then discriminate against the church based on the content of the sermons,” Oster said. “This church does have a constitutional right to use these facilities. Public schools cannot discriminate against religious use of their facilities based upon viewpoints – and that’s exactly what’s going on here.”
Andre Pierre, the mayor of North Miami, told Fox News he had concerns about the school board’s actions – and wondered what kind of an impact it might have on other religious groups renting space.
“You cannot censor his speech,” the mayor said. “The school should stay out of it. Pastor Jack is paying rent. He’s not getting the space for free.”
The mayor said he believes the school board attorney will side with the church.
“I think he’ll come down on the right side – which is – you cannot censor freedom of speech,” Pierre said. “You have to respect the American principles and you have to uphold the Constitution.”
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Free speech isn't free anymore if one doesn't stand with government and political correctness in sharing the same supposed "universal" opinion.
Their free speech is not being infringed.
Yeah it is. They are being evicted for saying marriage should be between a man and a women. Homosexuality is a sexual perversion equitable to pedophilia, necrophilia, and zoophilia. If homosexuals are a protected class then why are those others a crime.
Nic Godfrey It's a simple matter of consent! Animals, children, and dead people are unable to give informed and mature consent as defined by the law of this country. Meanwhile two adults of the same gender are in fact more than capable of deciding for themselves if they want to partake in sexual activity with anyone, be it male or female. No evidence has yet been put forth as to why homosexuality is a perversion and furthermore, unless you "enjoy" (and I use the term loosely as enjoyment is rather forbidden) only procreational sex and have never had oral sex or masturbated or had sex for purposes other than procreation you are a hypocrite and have enjoyed plenty of perversions yourself. If you have avoided all those things then you are truly unfortunate because sex is one of the most enjoyable things two people can do and I hope you choose to experiment as you will understand where I am coming from.
wether or not you are a consenting adult is a false indicator. first of all children can consent as can animals. So can two woman and one man , we call thay polygamy and outlaw that , we also outlaw incest, etc. God set the standards and when this nation was sane and blessed of God we acknowledged them. ONE man ONE woman ONE lifetime. America has gone the way of SODOM and will suffer Sodoms fate. america is in ruins and on the brink of total destruction and you fools refuse to heed the warnings. Your blood is on your own hands.
wether or not you are a consenting adult is a false indicator. first of all children can consent as can animals. So can two woman and one man , we call thay polygamy and outlaw that , we also outlaw incest, etc. God set the standards and when this nation was sane and blessed of God we acknowledged them. ONE man ONE woman ONE lifetime. America has gone the way of SODOM and will suffer Sodoms fate. america is in ruins and on the brink of total destruction and you fools refuse to heed the warnings. Your blood is on your own hands.
John Murmello a homosexual is a sexual deviant plain and simple. A pedophile isl a sexual deviant. Therefore they are one in the same. both are wrong, and it has nothing to do with God. Both are an affront to the natural way of things.
Nic Godfrey If they are both an affront to the natural way of things why then do we see examples of homosexuality in nature in countless species. Pedophilia may also be natural (while I don't know any species that do it, I wouldn't be surprised to find it) but we as a society have demonstrated that the adult brain is capable of understanding and making choices in the way that a child brain is not. Therefore most individuals (slightly more than half in this country) recognize the fact that what those two individuals do in the privacy of their bedroom in no way impedes the ability of heterosexuals to copulate. Additionally, to respond to the lunacy of Chuck up there, polygamy is also something that has lately been challenged. And why not? We see examples of threesomes all over the place in the world, and I would bet a major percenatge of the population has a threesome/multiple partner fantasy. The one argument against that I might be able to get behind is one of fiscal responsiblity: I wouldn't want people to get multiple benefits based on their married status; however, I assume that if this ever became legal they would find ways to negate this possibility.
John Murmello
Pedophilia is not natural and never normal. Its utterly and unequivocally sickening.
Joel Rivera Trust me, I never once said that pedophilia isn't absolutely disgusting and inappropriate and deserving of punishment, and moreover if I gave that indication I most definitely apologize. In no way should that ever be tolerated in society. What I meant was that in nature there are clear examples of homosexual behaviour in animals other than humans. I am unaware of examples of pedophilia in animals however it would not entirely surprise me to see it. Just because we see something in nature does not make it appropriate however, the major criteria for us today is consent. Rape is atrocious, pedophilia is atrocious and necrophilia is both disgusting and atrocious. All three of these (necrophilia to a much lesser extent, this one definitely is vile for the desecration of the dead) involve a lack of capable consent and trauma for the victim (this is where the necrophila comparison falls apart) which is why society as a whole decries these acts as vile and reprehensible (and correctly so!) Homosexuality on the other hand is almost always an act between two consenting adults which in no way causes trauma to any involved in the behaviour. Why then should you be allowed to limit the rights and benefits of people for no reason other than because you don't agree with their consenting act behind closed doors.
there are TWO categories. there is Gods standard. ONE man ONE woman, ONE lifetime, and there are all the rest. God forbids any other sexual conduct. those who practice one or more sexual abberations are likley to experiment with others. This is why homos are more likley to be pedo sand lezbians are likley to have sex with animals. ETC.
there are TWO categories. there is Gods standard. ONE man ONE woman, ONE lifetime, and there are all the rest. God forbids any other sexual conduct. those who practice one or more sexual abberations are likley to experiment with others. This is why homos are more likley to be pedo sand lezbians are likley to have sex with animals. ETC.
John Murmello they are not contet to practice thier deviant sex behind closed doors. they already have that right. lawrence v texas abolished sodomy laws in 1975 They demand recognition, acceptance. and approval . they want to anally copulate on main street and demand every one applaude. God hates Sodomites.
A brother and sister can give consent.
John Murmello A brother and sister can give consent. It is about more than consent.
like it or not the laws of God are engrained with the laws of nature. God set the standards and you can change them as quick as you can change the laws of gravity. One man One woman One lifetime./
Andrew Nordine Yes, in the case of brother and sister we know that closely related genetic siblings reproducing together can have disasterous effects on the offspring and that this is not productive to society. Therefore there is a medical reason why incest is illegal and revilled. Homosexuality however has no such issues (I would argue that our disgust at incest has become so ingrained that in the case of homosexual incest we are still disgusted, and this will remain illegal regardless of the status of homosexual marriage in general), and therefore there is no reason why two consenting adults are unable to reproduce and eventually marry.
John Murmello But a brother and sister can at least have offspring together, unlike homosexuals, which is a huge part of the purpose of marriage. Companionship/love is a part of marriage, but not the whole. What you are talking about is a new definition of marriage, which means the onus remains on you to prove your redefinition, not on me to show you the negative societal effects. If you want to see the negative societal effects of a changing definition of marriage, just look around. We changed the permanence of marriage by no-fault divorce, we changed part of the purpose of marriage by birth control, and we changed the necessity for marriage by normalizing out of wedlock births and extending extra welfare benefits to single moms. Gay "marriage" is just another step in the wrong direction.
Maybe it is time to evict the public schools from the American education system and replace them with an educational process whose goal would be to actually educate our children.
For all Christians who are sending your children to public school, just know that this is part of the concerted effort to eradicate your views from your child's heart as well as from the public square. There is another way–the Biblical way. It is called home education… "Fathers train up your children…" Deut. 6:6
A great idea Jerome. The public school system in this country is an absolute joke! Teachers unions run the show as the kids get number and dumber by every generation. There has to be a better and smarter way to educate our kids without exposing them to all the negatives that are inherent in our present day public schools.
Jennifer Koehler , all public schools are not trying to do as you describe. It depends on where you live and the teaching staff. My kids go to public school, and We are involved with the school, so if anything was amiss, we would know. In fact there is Christian teaching staff as well. You can't paint with a broad brush.
I think the NEA (National Education Association) leadership has an anti-Christian agenda, and that floats down to the local levels iin policy decisions. Local educators are mixed as to what they believe, though I believe they are heavily influenced by the NEA and what the government requires them to do. But it has been highly unfavorable to religion (particularly Christianity) since the early 1960s.
I think the NEA (National Education Association) leadership has an anti-Christian agenda, and that floats down to the local levels iin policy decisions. Local educators are mixed as to what they believe, though I believe they are heavily influenced by the NEA and what the government requires them to do. But it has been highly unfavorable to religion (particularly Christianity) since the early 1960s.
I am curious… by "educate our children" do you mean, "teach them that the world is 6,000 years old and that man comes from 'god' breathing on the dirt and woman from man's rib"? Or do you mean to teach proven science like evolution, global warming, gravity, the standard model of physics, et al?
This church, as many in Miami Dade is paying monthly rent and signed an annual contract. It is on Sunday, when school is out. They are teaching what they believe and practicing their religion. Isn't that what freedom of religion and speech are about?
Your children will be home schooled by idiots.
Your children will be home schooled by idiots.
better homw schooled than schoold by feces eaters like you
Al Wells pffft you are confusing science with science fiction. HERE are some scientific facts for you : #1Life has never been observed to come from non-life
#2 there is no known observable process by which new genetic information
can be added to the genetic code of an organism
Al, nice straw man argument. Great job on setting him up and knocking him down. How long did you have to ponder that before you came up with your idiotic post?
God created this world, and His will is done in it – Science is merely an observation of the grand work of our Creator.
When it comes to such things as the “Big Bang”, and “Evolution” (at least on a macro scale),
it is not accurate to even use the term “science” – those goofy theories are contrary to the very definition of science,
since they are neither observable nor repeatable.
It's actually time to dismantle the failed system and put the burden and responsibility of teaching and educating back on the local community and family – to include the church.
The Public School system IS the best system in which to educate the children of this country.
What should be made illegal is the anti-American agenda of Christian home-schoolers to undercut and destroy the nation's school system so that they can keep their kids bigoted and indoctrinated with anti-scientific ideology. The future of this nation depends on properly educated, science-knowledgeable young leaders–not just indoctrinated, ideological SHEEP.
Jeff Tilley The church has no business teaching children. Not unless you want a nation of morons, ignorant in science and believing in Bronze Age fallacies.
Robert Williams I FULLY SUPPORT the NEA's "anti-Christian agenda", being it that Christians seem to have developed a distinctly "anti-Education" agenda. Do we really want our kids learning from Creationists and religious zealots? What a great way to hasten us down the road to Third-World status!
Charles Capo: I think you misunderstand how genetics works. There is a rather simple thought experiment that will be quite sufficient to demonstrate how genetic information can be altered to create a gain of function and new organelles (or appendages or whatever). Lets take a simple organism with a flagellum. The DNA of this organism would encode for this flagellum and for the sake of simplicity we can say that it is an all or none code, if the code is wrong the organism doesn't have the flagellum, if the code is "correct" it will have it (this is an absolute over simplification of how genetics works, but for simplicity's sake assume it to be true). This organism already has the flagellum present as part of its genetic code. Now, assuming your deleterious mutation caused by the changing of a base pair in the DNA in such a way that a new protein is formed and the flagellum is eliminated. This would mean that all the offspring of this mutant gene would no longer have the flagellum. However, it would be quite simple for the gene to mutate back to its original base pair, which would result in a direct gain of function and an "increase of information" for the orgainsm and a new structure in its offspring. As far as increasing the actual amount of genetic code in an organism, there are many, many different processes which allow for an increase in this material; one that comes to mind is the introduction of plasmids in bactereal cultures. These plasmids are able to insert themselves into other bacteria and input their genetic code and add a new gene into this organism. This type of process is observed thousands of times a day in molecular biology laboratories across the country/world and is a perfect example of how an increase in genetic code could occur. More complex organisms have more complex ways of creating this gain of function, but nevertheless they are all incredibly observable and common features which demonstrate the incredible power of natural selection to produce evolution.
Furthermore, argueing that simply because we don't know how something was done means that god did it is an incredibly irrational argument and has no basis in reality. Evolution at this point is as close to a fact as science allows (it is a theory in much the same way gravity, tidal force, electromagnitism, quantum mechanics, and any research article you will ever read's topic. You can never definitively prove something in science, merely support it through failing to reject the null hypothesis). As far as the big bang theory, we are in fact able to demonstrate how the universe can come from nothing as evidenced in Lawrence Krauss's new book entitled A Universe from Nothing. Furthermore, scientists in particle accelerators across the world are creating conditions similar to the start of the universe and are better able to understand how these things are in fact possible. Learn something about science and the topic you are criticizing before you spout your ignorance.
John, don't scare Charles Capo with so much facts and all that. I have a feeling that he rather enjoys his ignorance…?
horseshit. I understand how evolution supposedly works. species evolve from one form to another- and that has NEVER BEEN OBSERVED. therefore it is NOT SCIENCE but SCIENCE FICTION.
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz #1Life has never been observed to come from non-life
#2 there is no known observable process by which new genetic information
can be added to the genetic code of an organism
mutations are not addding new information. only rearranging what is already there. changes in a genomic sequence: BANG.
mutations are not addding new information. only rearranging what is already there. changes in a genomic sequence: BANG.
mutations are not addding new information. only rearranging what is already there. changes in a genomic sequence: BANG.
Charles, your explanation then, for the world is basically "It's too complicated for us to know everything yet, so we'll just attribute it to 'God'"?!!
LOL! You'd never make it as a scientist, buddy! Creationism is a Bronze-Aged fantasy of people who huddled with their sheep for warmth and "companionship"!
Charles, your explanation then, for the world is basically "It's too complicated for us to know everything yet, so we'll just attribute it to 'God'"?!!
LOL! You'd never make it as a scientist, buddy! Creationism is a Bronze-Aged fantasy of people who huddled with their sheep for warmth and "companionship"!
As a matter of fact, a mutation is more than capapble of simply duplicating a particular genomic sequence, which would then simply create more of a protein. THis then can be mutated in a DNA base pair swap which would change the protein and then create new functions. Also, your bullshite line about no observable process for increasing genetic information clearly just shows that you are illiterate. Because I explicitly demonstrated the fact that Plasmids in bacteria are observed thousands of times a day to increase the genetic code of a bacteria. That is merely the SIMPLEST example. Read a book
asked and answered:God created this world, and His will is done in it – Science is merely an observation of the grand work of our Creator.
When it comes to such things as the “Big Bang”, and “Evolution” (at least on a macro scale),
it is not accurate to even use the term “science” – those goofy theories are contrary to the very definition of science,
since they are neither observable nor repeatable.
Charles Capo It looks like we have a definative troll here. There is no other explanation for simply parroting out copy-pasted arguments which have been clearly refuted by scientific evidence in previous posts without providing any new information. Either that or you sir are simply the single dumbest person alive. I don't much care which, but unless you have something new to say, get the hell off this thread
Sorry, Definitive. I want to be correct in my use of the english language when demonstrating your complete lack of knowledge about debate, the world, and science in general.
You're doing fine, John. Charles is a verifiable loon, and he's just fun to bash around—SERVE!!
name calling insults lies and plain out rebellion will never change the FACTS. GOD set the standards. OBEY them and he will bless you,do not obey and you will be cursed. Typing a lot of words wont change the facts. False science and denial will not keep youout of hell. There is no debate .
Charles Capo Well as soon as I start seeing some facts contradicting what has already been observed, repeated, peer reviewed, and published that provide a clear explanation for how this universe could have been created without the need to rely solely on the word of a bronze age mythology which we must believe simply because that mythology tells us that it's true I'll start listening to you. In the meantime, if your god has a problem with my use of facts, observations, and real world data in my arguing againsit him, he is more than welcome to do something about it. But in the meantime, try escaping from your ignorances and preconceived notions about the world and experience some of it. You might be surprised how much you enjoy it.
Charles Capo Also, I agree with your point that there is no debate. You haven't made a single point predicated on anything grounded in reality yet, so I would definitely say that I haven't seen a debate with you on here.
Thats just a lot of words which mean youwill not obey. Obey and be blessed, do not obey and be cursed. .., avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
1Ti 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen. 1 tim 6:20
Charles, all you've got as a rebuttal is a lot of hot air and meaningless scripture. You would do very well as a fundamentalist muslim over in he Middle East. Ever consider a change of venue? In any case, your God and his mumbo-jumbo doesn't mean a thing to me. I worship Reason and Science. Your God is powerless against me.
Quoting scripture at me really just indicates that you are too stupid to have an actual retort to anything that either Zizzer or I have said to this point. And while I do dislike having to resort to these ad hominem attacks, it is clear to me that you are unable to grasp the idea that logic and science provide an actual basis for understanding the world and that simply quoting and believing a book that proclaims itself to be true for no other reason than because it says so is the most self-evident example of circular logic I could ever come up with. Hopefully someone less ignorant and more open minded will read some of my facts that have been posted and realize that while science never claims to have all the answers, the great thing about it is that we want to get there! Rather than rejoice in ignorance scientists like myself seek knowledge and understanding about the world. There is nothing more satisfying than learning more about the way the world works and understanding where we are as individuals and a species and even a planet within this universe. And I am truly sorry you are unable to appreciate the beauty that is modern physics and biology because they are two of the most inspiring fields in our knowledge base. I hope you change, but I doubt you will.
That was awesomely articulated, John. Well spoken!
John Murmello Thats just a lot of words which mean youwill not obey. Obey and be blessed, do not obey and be cursed. .., avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
1Ti 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen. 1 tim 6:20
Charles Capo I can't help but like this. It's so horrendously terrible arguing it's hilarious. I'm actually laughing here at your inability to say anything worthwhile. And with that, I'm done feeding the troll. If you have something new to say, I'm more than willing to respond to it. If not, well, it's been hilarious.
by argue you mean type a lot of meaningless words. I answerd you already. Mutations are rearranging information not adding new. you can split hairs and multiply words but it all adds up to the same thing. You refuse to acknowledge the creator and for that he gave you over to a depraved /reprobate mind. He gave you up to vile/inordinate affections. he gave you over to the defiling /degrading/dishonouring of your bodies among yourselves.
Charles Capo So then what about plasmids? What about duplicating mutations? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_duplication That wikipedia article has plenty of citations which demonstrate the principles i'm speaking of. I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that my words are not meaningless. How do you expect people not born into your particular mythology if you are unable to even produce a coherent argument in favor of it. Moreover, you have repeatedly shown an igornance of biology and spout unsubstantiated arguments as indomintable truth. I don't expect you to necessarily reply with the same verbiage that I use, but I would at least appreciate clear, gramatically correct, and logical responses to me if you want both your argument and your person to be taken seriously.
I could not make it any clearer: #1Life has never been observed to come from non-life
#2 there is no known observable process by which new genetic information
can be added to the genetic code of an organism
I could not make it any clearer: #1Life has never been observed to come from non-life
#2 there is no known observable process by which new genetic information
can be added to the genetic code of an organism
Charles Capo I will concede point #1 for now, science as yet has not been able to create a self-replicating moleucle. This does NOT however automatically mean that god is the answer, it merely means that we have not been able to demonstrate how this is possible. Not that it isn't. As for point #2 I have provided two extraordinarily strong examples of precisely how new genetic material can be added to the genetic code of an organism. I am honestly curious as to what you have to refute my two citations (genetic duplication followed by mutations of those duplicated genes, and insertion of plasmid DNA into bacteria and other single celled organisms) and what exactly makes it so that these demonstrable effects of increasing genetic code false. You are merely stating an assertion which is completely unfounded and have provided NO EVIDENCE to back these up. I really want to know how you can support your claim!
Charles, your posts and your comments read like a programmed automaton who lacks the ability to think for himself. You're like the "Magic 8 Ball of Hate" that keeps spinning around and shooting out the same irrelevant answers.
I can just see you, sitting there like a squat robot, spinning around, smoke coming out of your auditory apertures, saying "…does not compute…does not compute….does not compute…" lol.
THE PARENTS SHOULD BE EDUCATING THEIR KIDS AND QUIT BLAMING THE SCHOOLS FOR THIER DUMB CHILDREN..WHY KIND OF PARENT WOULD GIVE THEIR SCHOOL 100% OF THE RESPONSIBILTY TO EDUCATE THEIR CHILDREN ? A STUPID PARENT THATS WHO…JEEEZ SIT DOWN WITH YOUR KIDS AND TEACH THEM AND GET RID OF THAT STUPID BIBLE AND KORAN
God does need to prove his assertions to you. WE use moral suasion. God gives you words. If the evidence of the light of creation together with the warnings and promptings of the Spirit do not move you then you are simply damned to continue on the path to hell. Deu 4:12 And the LORD spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice.
Charles Capo “Pure" moral suasion refers to an appeal for altruistic behaviour[6] and is rarely used in economic policy
“Impure" moral suasion, or simply “moral suasion”, is backed by explicit or implicit threats by authorities in order to provide incentives to comply with their wishes[7]
I rather like that definition of moral suasion (I will admit I had not heard the term before so I looked it up to be sure). It is extraordinarily clear that this is very impure moral suasion that you claim to possess as it is nothing more than using thinly veiled threats of hell to convince people to follow your particular mythology. I'm fairly sure that this is not any type of morality I want to subscribe to. Especially considering that I live my life by a moral code which attempts to adhere much more closely to the first by nature of my humanistic tendencies.
At any rate, I can tell quite clearly that you are as stubborn as you are ignorant and that you are unwilling to even consider the possibility that you may be wrong and to look at the evidence. Believe me when I say I used to be quite religious but that the evidence of the "light of creation" has in fact shown to me that your christian god is no more than an example of a comforting bronze age mythology similar to that of zeus, ra, odin, thor, buddah, krishna, hades, vishnu, yaweh, allah, satan, or any other god that people in our society have created to try to understand the world. So much of your particular mythology is even stolen from other religions in the world it's almost comical. But I'm sure you won't believe me and I'm even more sure I can expect another inane scripture response so have at it! You'll never learn
thinly veiled threats of HELL , Im sorry , I thought I was being crystal clear. OBEY and be blessed , Do not obey and be curse. Heaven or Hell, repent or perish, turn or burn. is that clear enough for you. Jesus did not veil the threatenings of Judgment one bit: Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Does that clear it up for you?
Shut up about your moral code. God set the standards (laws)and they are not myths but on the contrary are engrained with the natural laws. They were designed not to deprive you of some pleasures but to benifit mankind with the richest happpiest and fullest life. You have forsaken the springs of living water and drink from a mud puddle of a ''moral code'' that suitsyour lusts. On the contrary it is you that are stubborn and ignorant. news flash , Man is born in sin and darkenss in total depravity. I opened my mind thru the grace of God and God opened my eyes. Your position is the default. Again I will repeat. God has given us from the llight of nature and thru the record of the prophets and his son ALL that we need to come to the knowledge of himself.
Unfortunately, a broad brush is exactly the way to paint the current situaiton. It is the exception to find a school which does not run scared from the ACLU and its minions.
But leet a group of perverts want to rent space to bash christianity and christians, the school board would repaint the joint and roll out the red carpet.
You're so right John.
Exactly right. These amoral dummies will fall all over themselves in their rush to political correctness, but where do they get off lecturing the church about anything.
Absolutely right, @John Schwab. Those perverts in the church renting space shouldn't be there!
Yes! Cuz public schools accepting gays must mean they hate Christians right? Your reasoning is brilliant, you must also think Obama was born in Kenya and that Trump would make a great President, ha!
Yes! Cuz public schools accepting gays must mean they hate Christians right? Your reasoning is brilliant, you must also think Obama was born in Kenya and that Trump would make a great President, ha!
exactly rent the room to the sodomites to open a feces eating cafe.
exactly rent the room to the sodomites to open a feces eating cafe.
Anytime people say ANYTHING against gays, they are labeled as haters, gay bashers, or not tolerant. Gay people are the ONLY people in America that are allowed an opinion and that is where we are right now. All the guy did was preach that it is a sin, which it is just like pedophelia, beastiality and others that are NOT natural…
Lisa, tired worn out DNC talking points. Get some new material. BTW, you left out the Koch brothers, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. At least try to keep your DNC talking points straight. I hope they aren't paying you, you are doing a poor job as their parrott.
…and don't forget the new left wing whipping boy…Chick Fil A…
Brian Curtis And any time someone says anything against Christians they're labled as anti-Christian bigots and you are so quick to lay claim to the idea that christianity is under attack in this country. Which is utter bullshit. People are finally coming around to the idea that not everyone in this country believes in your particular brand of mythology and that it can no longer be a stepping board to impede the rights of millions of others.
Brian Curtis, if you're stupid and uneducated enough to believe that being BORN Gay is tantamount to pedophelia or beastiality, let me be the FIRST to call you a fool. Being born Gay is an intrinsic, ENTIRELY NATURAL condition–unlike stupidity, which must be nurtured by religion.
you arent born in a behavior, homosexuals are defined by ONE thing only. their abberant sex practices
Charles, what sexual practices "define" you? No wait!—don't answer that! I'm sure that I don't want to know! But really—what a boneheaded comment!!–but I"m sure that you honestly believe that?
"Heads up", Charles– for Homosexuals, homosexual sex is COMPLETELY "normal".
Lisa Passuello So does that mean that opposing homosexual marriage means we hate homosexuals? You know, I thought a clown like oBozo would be the one person who could really appreciate a good carnival barker like donald trump.
You need an education feces eater. homos by definition are abnormal and unnatural, deviant and an abberation.
nor·mal adjective
conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular; natural.
THE COMMON , USUAL STANDARD among human and animal sexuality is male female. any other behavior is OUTSIDE the norm.
I'm a gay man and I believe that the church Impact Miami has a right to proclaim what they believe without being called bigots. I was under the impression that we had freedom of speech as well as religion. I now that both are under attack, I for one will defend those rights with my life.
you are a courageous man, too! Miss you!
it is refreshing to find such an open minded homosexual thank you for your Amaricanism
it is refreshing to find such an open minded homosexual thank you for your Amaricanism
You do realize that Christians DON'T HATE GAYS? Right? That is the biggest lie that is being told. I hate no one. Thank you, Wayne, for standing up for our right to believe as we do. God Bless you.
Thank you Wayne, extremely refreshing! Congrats on your sense of fairness and your integrity as well.
I oppose gay marriage and believe the gay lifestyle is a sin, but that sin belongs to whoever commits it, your lifestyle is your business, it is between them and God. I do applaud you for your patriotism, it is freedom of religion and the churchs right to peacefully express it, you understand freedom of speech and the constitution, too bad others sould appreciate it also.
God hates you , youre going to hell along with this nation. united states of SODOM
Charles Capo, GO read your Bible, God does not hate Homosexuals. He loves them. Homosexuality is a sin yes, but your sins are enough to send you to hell too, unless……….read the the Gospels.
ALL sin is condemned in the Bible. That includes lying, stealing, adultry, rape, incest, godlessness, murders, homosexuality, adultry, pedophelia, sex with animals or dead people, hatefullness…… I don't hate any types of people like these. If they ask Jesus Christ into their Hearts, to forgive them of their sin and leave their sin behind (repentance), He will forgive them, just as He did me.
The church does have the right to believe and say what they want. The PEOPLE also have a right to dictate what happens in a publicly owned building. The PEOPLE, ALL of the people including gays, represented by the school board and Superintendent, have the RIGHT to exclude organizations that disseminate hate against one group of the PEOPLE, from using facilities the PEOPLE own. And this BS about "not hating" gay's even though it's a sin is so hypocritical and cynical, it makes me wonder how you people can look at each other and not laugh at the joke.
Craig Toma right stupid God dosnt hate them, it was an act of love when he burned them alive in SODOM. lol
Fred Drocer yes , key word ''IF '' the problem is that they are PROUD of their sin, it is impossible for someone to repent of something they are proud of.
Its is the Bible concerning gays. They will not inherit the kingdom of Heaven. It is God and our duty to help them out of homosexuality. Supporting their action is not doing them a favor.
Bless your honesty. You are a true patriot.
I looked through your facebook profile. Looks like your profile is a ruse…. You have no photos, no friends conversations on your wall…. Basically, you're full of shit.
It's a ruse.
It's a ruse.
Not only is Wayne Earhart's profile a shill for the insane wing, Cahterine Lanctot's seems rather suspicious and shares many similarities to Wayne's.
Wayne Earhart:
You seem confused, Wayne. No one is saying these religious fools can not say what they want, or that they can not practice their religion. The school simply does not want to rent it's space to these kind of people, which is THEIR right.
No one's freedom of speech or religion is being infringed.
Charles Capo, according to Scripture, God didn't hate those in Sodom, he hated what they where doing. Wayne, I have the upmost respect for you respecting the rights of everyone. Thank you.
Kurt Bart
Do you even know how offensive your comment is?
No, probably not.
Kurt Bart
Do you even know how offensive your comment is?
No, probably not.
Jay Shepherd Youre so ignorant you should really just keep your pie hole shut. If the school rents space to anyone . to refuse to rent to them because of their sincerly held religous blieefs is discrimination based on religion.Which ,you dumb ass, is illegal.
Wayne, thank you. As American, we all have the freedom of speech and religion.
Just a quick question to Earhart. If Impact Miami has a right to say whatever they want, why don't others have the right to call them bigots? Freedom of speech works both ways, not just for the person spewing vile idiocy. The school is telling them to say it somewhere else because they don't condone or agree with what they're saying just like anyone one would have the right to do. This isn't censoring speech. They aren't fining the church or taking them to court, they're simply telling them to leave. I'm sure Impact Miami can find another building where they can compare homosexuality to pedophilia all they want.
Charles Capo
Wrong, idiot. The school does NOT have to rent space to these religious bigots.
yes! He loved them so much he burned them alive. d u h
Charles Capo
Yes, charles, you hate gay people. We get that. Now we know why you have such self-loathing!
LOL! They do NOT have to rent to these religious idiots.
Just wait and see. They will be OUT.
Joseph Mitzel just try applying your idiotlc logic to any other group of people and you will see how your hatred of God has blinded your eyes. Imagine the school renting to everyone but a black orginazation or singling out a womans group . or God forbid if they decided to refuse to rent to a group of sodomites. or muslims.
God hates you and fags arent gay
Charles Capo
God is dead. You are just too ignorant to see that.
Jay Shepherd this kind of situation has been thoroughly fleshed out in the courts. IF the school rents space , they cannot single out a group of christians and discriminate against them because of their beliefs that sexual perversion is sexual perversion. a group of Christians working in a court house were refused use of an empty room during their lunch to get together and study the Bible . The coursts ruled in favor of the Christians since other groups were permitted also to use empty rooms for other purposes. Like it or not perverts you cannot discriminate against people for their deeply held religous beliefs.
Jay Shepherd Gods not dead , youre dead in trespasses and sins. Youre going to hell, and statisitcally YOU will be dead 40 years before your time . Ha HA
Sorry, you uneducated fool. It's already happening.
The uproar is a response to a New York City government policy to prohibit religious groups from meeting in public schools after February 12th. For at least eighteen years the city has tried to make a distinction between religious and other community groups in the use of publicly available space in the city’s schools. However, since 2002, Federal courts have forced the city to stop their discrimination. Then, in June a court reversed course and allowed the city to close the schools to groups that want to have “worship services” while allowing other religious expressions like Bible studies, prayers, and lectures. It effectively banned the main reason that churches were paying for use of the space. The United States Supreme Court declined on December 5th to reconsider a lower court’s ban, and the city moved ahead with their plans to close the churches.
dont you got a peep hole at the public toilets to be at .
Well, at least I'm glad you are NOT a christian…
Jay Shepherd I dont care what some sodomite feces eating judges says. It is illlegal to discriminate agaisnt them based on their beliefs . IF the schoos are allowing other groups to use the facilities they cannot discriminate . period. IF they do they will lose.
Thank you for your sensible position on this matter. We all don't have to agree with each others beliefs, but we should always show respect and defend ones rights to believe as they choose.
Thank you for your sensible position on this matter. We all don't have to agree with each others beliefs, but we should always show respect and defend ones rights to believe as they choose.
Thank you for your sensible position on this matter. We all don't have to agree with each others beliefs, but we should always show respect and defend ones rights to believe as they choose.
Who are you thanking?
And, no, not all beliefs are worthy of respect. Sorry, they're just not.
Who are you thanking?
And, no, not all beliefs are worthy of respect. Sorry, they're just not.
Who are you thanking?
And, no, not all beliefs are worthy of respect. Sorry, they're just not.
go eat some poo on a cracker like you sodomites do.
go eat some poo on a cracker like you sodomites do.
go eat some poo on a cracker like you sodomites do.
Jay Shepherd AND aMERICAS judgment has already begun too. NY is a cesspool of disease filth , bedbugs , every kind of exotic disease including tb. and the bubonic plague even. The destroyer of Sodom is not dead.
Yes, god is dead. She's been dead quite a while now.
Yes, god is dead. She's been dead quite a while now.
and likewise we do not respect condone or remain silent about the perverted detestable repulsive abnormal unnatural filthy depraved vile inordinate affections God calls an abomination.
tell me about it when youre in the lake of fire with the rest of the sodomites.
tell me about it when youre in the lake of fire with the rest of the sodomites.
Fred Drocer
You obviously know NOTHING about the BibLIE.
Fred Drocer
You obviously know NOTHING about the BibLIE.
God Hates FAGS. thats all you need to know about the Bible faggot
God hates YOU.
you said God was dead? You display what the Bible says about you: God gave you over to a depraved/reprobate mind, you are good for nothing. God gave you over to vile/inordinate affections. God gave you over to lusts and the dishonouring, defiling/degrading of your bodies among yourselves.
Well stated, Sir. And while I may agree with a few of the Pastor's positions I respect and will defend your civil and human right to privacy, safety and to associate with whom ever you may choose.
Charles Capo, Everyone including Homosexuals has the chance to accept Christ and repent. Who are you to say if and when an individual will come to Christ or not. You my friend seem to be the one hating, maybe you should focus more on outreach and spreading the Gospel. REAL Christians do not hate the sinner, they hate the sin itself and try to witness to the lost. God also instantly struck dead ananias and Sapphira for telling a LIE and withholding money, so Charles, have you told a lie?
Jay Shepherd Its not their property, but the property of the people, including Christians. The SCOTUS had upheld this many times.
Your honest, freedom of speech, it is dying. Before you know it will be locked up for saying anythings aginst anything. I see a civil war coming to our country in due time. Even the Romans fell
Craig Toma do you have a comprehension problem or something. there is no forgivness with out repentence. acknowledgment confession and forsaking sin. How the HELL is someone going to rpent of a sin they refuse to acknowledge. They are PROUD of their sin IE gay PRIDE> it is IMPOSSIBLE . so whos the liar stupid.
Wayne Earhart, what a fool you are. If anything, your ridiculous perspective only underscores how insidiously devout religious beliefs can imperil a person by overriding their own instinct to self-preservation and existence. I"m sure that as a good German, you would have defended the Nazi anti-antisemitism with the same misguided fealty to their "Freedom of Speech rights"? The bigoted views and words of this hateful church have no place on a campus, indeed; no place in America.
And the irony of a BLACK pastor preaching against a group of people for the way that "God" and Nature made them is just too outrageous to even bear.
Kurt Bart Yes, isn't it…."refreshing" (?!?) to see a purportedly Gay man (If this joker even IS at all) sanction the very hatred that is being directed at him for the way that he was born? What a nice soothing balm it must be for all the religious bigots who would preach the same hatred with pride?
Charles Capo What a psychopath your Facebook page shows you to be. "Americans United Against the United States of America" huh? What a pathetic piece of self-loathing bird poop you are. Please warn us before you go on a mass murder spree, would you?
Charles Capo No Gay person is "proud" of their INNATE, INTRINSIC sexual orientation. You would have to be supremely arrogant to be "proud" of how you were born. That's like saying you're "proud" because you were born white or black. Only idiots and fools wallow in undeserved pride.
On the other hand, it takes a REAL LOSER like Charles Capo to hate not only himself but the country in which he lives.
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz I feel like Charles has to be a troll here. At this point the sheer level of inarticulate gibberish coming out of his mouth would indicate either a troll or someone so incredibly uneducated and unintelligent that he isn't deserving of notice. He has yet to point out any actual facts in his posts. It seems like even some of the other christians on this page think he's absurd.
I'm a straight man and I believe that the church Impact Miama has a right to proclaim what they believe WITH being called bigots. I was under the impression that if you're a bigot, you get called a bigot, because people have the right to point out bigots. That's free speech.
homosexuality is a deviant, abnormal, unnatural, depraved, unnatural detestable vile/inordinate afection. it is and abberation filthy and vile BEHAVIOR – NOT an innate intrinsic condidion of being AS YOU FALSLEY ASSERT since peopple in fact DO change their sexueal orientation. No one has ever changed an immutible condition of being such as color of skin race age or sex. And some menatally ill freak cutting off his dick and masquerading as a woman dosnt qualify. You retards are uneducated, you are brainwashed by the sodomite media to swallow those lies hook line and sinker. God Damn america . you are a ntation awash in filth, lies, depravity and sin and God will soon completley destroy you.
So, I would have to take from YOUR POST, Charles, that YOU are a "reformed Homosexual" who's now self-loathing and so filled with self-hatred that you MUST decry being Gay in order to feel like you're "authentic"? Or is it because of your own fundamentalist embrace of radical religion that you need to somehow make it "square" with your Biblically-mandated beliefs?
Charles, there was nothing "wrong" you being gay in the first place. YOU WERE BORN THAT WAY. Being born gay is a FACT OF SCIENCE, and just because your Bible is wrong about it–the ignorant sheepherders who wrote it didn't know about such science–doesn't change that FACT. It's been proven, and re-proven in several laboratory studies under controlled conditions, which makes it TRUTH.
You should really just admit and accept your homosexuality. YOU CAN NOT "change" IT, any more than you can change your eye color–sure, you can wear colored contacts, but you would know that you're just putting on a disguise–as "reformed" Homosexuals know when they play "Straight" for money, or to satisfy their religious infection.
So, I would have to take from YOUR POST, Charles, that YOU are a "reformed Homosexual" who's now self-loathing and so filled with self-hatred that you MUST decry being Gay in order to feel like you're "authentic"? Or is it because of your own fundamentalist embrace of radical religion that you need to somehow make it "square" with your Biblically-mandated beliefs?
Charles, there was nothing "wrong" you being gay in the first place. YOU WERE BORN THAT WAY. Being born gay is a FACT OF SCIENCE, and just because your Bible is wrong about it–the ignorant sheepherders who wrote it didn't know about such science–doesn't change that FACT. It's been proven, and re-proven in several laboratory studies under controlled conditions, which makes it TRUTH.
You should really just admit and accept your homosexuality. YOU CAN NOT "change" IT, any more than you can change your eye color–sure, you can wear colored contacts, but you would know that you're just putting on a disguise–as "reformed" Homosexuals know when they play "Straight" for money, or to satisfy their religious infection.
So, I would have to take from YOUR POST, Charles, that YOU are a "reformed Homosexual" who's now self-loathing and so filled with self-hatred that you MUST decry being Gay in order to feel like you're "authentic"? Or is it because of your own fundamentalist embrace of radical religion that you need to somehow make it "square" with your Biblically-mandated beliefs?
Charles, there was nothing "wrong" you being gay in the first place. YOU WERE BORN THAT WAY. Being born gay is a FACT OF SCIENCE, and just because your Bible is wrong about it–the ignorant sheepherders who wrote it didn't know about such science–doesn't change that FACT. It's been proven, and re-proven in several laboratory studies under controlled conditions, which makes it TRUTH.
You should really just admit and accept your homosexuality. YOU CAN NOT "change" IT, any more than you can change your eye color–sure, you can wear colored contacts, but you would know that you're just putting on a disguise–as "reformed" Homosexuals know when they play "Straight" for money, or to satisfy their religious infection.
keep drinking the floride simpleton. the gay gene was a HOAX erpitrated upon the american public. so called research published by a sodomite(surprise) which never stood up to peer review. Regardless of how you got that way , God said it is an abomination , dont do it and if you do it you are to put to death and you will spend eternity in HELL. sostop bieng such a hateful liar and stop hating your fellow man by encouraging him to indulge in behaviors that Gpd said is SIN. God not only hates fags but he hates their enablers!
keep drinking the floride simpleton. the gay gene was a HOAX erpitrated upon the american public. so called research published by a sodomite(surprise) which never stood up to peer review. Regardless of how you got that way , God said it is an abomination , dont do it and if you do it you are to put to death and you will spend eternity in HELL. sostop bieng such a hateful liar and stop hating your fellow man by encouraging him to indulge in behaviors that Gpd said is SIN. God not only hates sodomites but he hates their enablers!
Charles, you show your ignorance—being Gay by BIRTH is NOT A "GENETIC" condition! I am aware of the bogus "The Gay Gene" book–YES, it was thoroughly debunked-AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN! Being "Born Gay" is a TRUE condition, in fact, brought on by endocrinal, hormonal factors in the womb of the mother during the development of the fetus. It is proven both HERE: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1997/06/homosexuality-and-biology/4683/ (on page 2) and here: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/05/0510_050510_gayscent.html — as well.
Furthermore, the work of Dr Gunter Doerner at the University of Humboldt in Berlin actually used HUMAN subject in experiments which also proved that homosexuality was INDEED caused in utero by the fluctuation of testosterone levels in the mother's womb–and his research so unsettled the scientific and public at the time (the 1970's) because h even went so far as to forcefully argue that a "eugenics-like" "cure" for Homosexuality could be engineered by monitoring and augmenting this level fluctuation/deficiency.
This is serious, factual work, Charles. Give up on the whole "gay gene" theory–it's long been debunked and disproven as you have said–but you're ignoring the REAL CAUSE of biological homosexuality, which is a TRUE SCIENTIFIC PHENOMENON.
You've just been schooled, Charles. No payment necessary.
like I said , it is irrlevant how you think you got to be a pervert, youre still a pervert and God says if you do it you will burn for it.
All you need to do is look at the facebook page of this ZZZ person to see how hate filled he is. Atheism and Liberalism are two of his interests. Then he posts a rant on there about gun control and how the 100 round clip used by the shooter in Colorado would have been banned under the assault weapons ban. I have news for him, they were banned until OBAMA let that ban expire. Oh and he is an Obama fan on his page. You just can't argue with stupid. And what's worse, his tone suggests that he is violent and stupid.
these perverts want to produce science that justifies abberrant behavior.
Jason Grant How exactly does being a fan of atheism and liberalism automatically mean you are "hate filled" What kind of non-sequitur argument is that? And where has there been violence in any of his posts? All he has done is indicate a knowledge of the world based on more than a book written by uneducated sheep herders 2000 years ago and a desire to avoid ignorance. Like you said, you just can't argue with stupid, espeically when the ignorance doesn't want to change.
Charles, it's not about how someone "THINKS" they became a homosexual.
It's about how a person IS BORN AS a homosexual.
Your point of view is the VERY DEFINITION of "bigotry"; of "prejudice"; of HATRED.
YOU hate a group of people who have NO CONTROL over how they are born.
The question must therefore be asked: are you ALSO a racist? Or do you support racists who are as small-minded as you and who hate people of color simply because they have a different skin color?
Charles Capo No, Charles; a more correct thing to say is that Science has produced results which has made irrational hate-filled religiously-inspired bigots like you irrelevant. There's no longer any justification for your bigotry because SCIENCE HAS PROVED YOUR SCRIPTURES—AND YOUR IMPOTENT GOD—WRONG!
Charles Capo No, Charles; a more correct thing to say is that Science has produced results which has made irrational hate-filled religiously-inspired bigots like you irrelevant. There's no longer any justification for your bigotry because SCIENCE HAS PROVED YOUR SCRIPTURES—AND YOUR IMPOTENT GOD—WRONG!
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz I actually want to point out one slight correction to an earlier post. As far as the gay gene is concerned, there is evidence of a genetic predisposition towards homosexuality which, similar to schizophrenia, is then expressed based on environmental influences (in this case the hormone levels in the womb). I agree with the overall conclusion, I just think that it's important to provide all the evidence, even if those you're arguing against will promptly ignore it.
Thank you, John; I sincerely appreciate the information. I am willing to admit that all the factors and EXACT method of predisposition is not yet fully 100% realized and charted, but that's what Science and scientific theory is all about now, isn't it? My focus has been on the hormonal factors, and since that book had been so widely panned and discredited, it has been my experience in arguing this position that any mention of a "genetic" cause is usually quickly sneered at from the opposite camp, with an immediate reference to the aforementioned book.
Thanks again for the information.
thats rich, youre saying genetic predisposition towards homosexuality is similar to genetic predisposition to schizophrenia. too funny. And the sodomites bullied the APA to take homosexuality off of the list of psychological disorders! FYI BOZO; man has a fallen nature. ALL men have a predisposition to SIN. But that doesn t justify it. God commands you to overcome the base desires thru the workings of the spirit. So there is NO WAY in hell youre going to escape judgment.
Once again real science confirms the Bible. Homosexuality is akin to mental illness. God gave them over to a depraved/reprobate mind. Be not deceived , you will reap what you sow. God is not mocked.
Comparing homosexuality to schizophrenia doesn't mean that homosexuality is a disease, it merely means that both have been linked to genetic causes, however genetics is not the ENTIRE cause. The gene for schizophrenia does not necessarily cause schizophrenia, as evidenced by only a 50% concordance rate among identical twins with schizophrenia. The numbers are actually somewhat similar to homosexuality which indicates that there are other factors involved in both, but that there is still a definitive genetic link. Sin also doesn't exist. That's just a bullshit concept the jewish priests created to keep people in line. And when I die, I look forward to the nothingness I came from. So no judgment here!
I never said that it was akin to mental illness, merely that it can appear in a way similar to that of schizophrenia. There are countless properties of humans that have the same genetic predispositions but need environmental stimuli in order to propagate themselves, and yet these are not considered mental or physical illnesses. Schizophrenia was merely the first that came to mind for me because I happen to be a neuroscientist who in fact studies schizophrenia as my area of interest. The fact is that all I claimed was that genetically, there is approximately a 50% concordance rate for homosexuality between monozygotic twins (identical) which indicates a clear genetic link, but there are many environmental factors that then are required to activate the genes in a process known as epigenetics. It is a fascinating field, but judging by the quality of conversation we've had on this page so far, it is far beyond your mental capacity to understand so I won't try to explain it here. But if you're interested I suggest you look it up. Nevertheless schizophrenia was merely an example I used for the mechanism of the genetic causes, not evidence that homosexuality is a "disease" that can be cured. It was in hindsight a poor choice because I should have known that closed minded bigots like you would take it out of context and misuse my argument so I apologize for giving you that opportunity.
yes liar. you used the word 'similar' which according to the thesaurus is a synonym for 'akin'. Nice try . ''There are countless properties of humans that have the same genetic predispositions but need environmental stimuli in order to propagate themselves'' NO KIDDING' That is why we have laws forbidding murder, rape incest, beastiality, because people have a propensity towards these behaviors THAT is what I previously stated. ALL MEN have fallen nature inherited from Adam . In case you didnt grasp my meaning. Sorry for speaking so plainly as you are used to a lot of psycho babble to make a point. God prescribed the death penalty for certain behaviors as a deterant against such behaviors . I know that your blinders go on when you see words from the bible but stretch just this once and comprehend the meaning of these words: Deu 17:6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.
Deu 17:7 The hands of the witnesses shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterward the hands of all the people. So thou shalt put the evil away from among you.
Charles Capo Of course I used the word similar. Because the MECHANISM behind which they are propagated is similar. Not the end product. And I think you're misunderstanding what I mean when I say you need environmental stimuli. That doesn't mean that ALL people have a propensity towards these things, but rather that those with the genetic predisposition (based on the various mutations within their individual genome) they are more likely to, when confronted with factors OTHER THAN GENETICS, transcribe those genes into whatever protein it is to develop a behaviour. Literally every single act you do is a result of the interaction between your genetics and your environment. I don't think you consider every single repeated act or characteristic that is different from yourself a disease? Although to be fair based on what I've seen you probably do. At any rate, I apologize if my "psycho babble" (there was actually zero use of psychiatry in my arguments, although I did use the scientific terms. I assumed being an adult you had at least a basic understanding of the way science works. Again, this was clearly a mistake as you have evidenced yourself to be ignorant of reality on numerous occasions) confused you. How about this: genetics has been shown because 50% of identical twins are schizophrenic (i.e. about half the time one twin is homosexual, the other twin will be, the definition of concordant) An environmental stimulus that I spoke of earlier simply means literally anything other than your actual genomic code in your dna. literally anything that you interact with affects your transcription of genes. So when comparing the two, I was NOT saying that they are both diseases. Yes they are similar in the mechanism of propagation (onset). No they are not similar in outcome. Would you say that having a genetic predisposition to be good at sports is a mental disease? Because that would also be similar to schizophrenia. Affected individuals have mutations in their genetic codes which allows their bodies to train harder, faster, and longer to become better athletes. That is genetic. That is not a disease. It's similar to schizophrenia. It's similar to homosexuality.
As for the death penalty, if you've ever eaten pork, swore, worn mixed fibers, worked on sunday (technically saturday considering that was really the sabbath when god decreed it in the bible), if you've hit your parents, or spoken back to them, if you have ever shown contempt for a judge or priest, you also should be put to death. And I'm pretty sure that Jesus said let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Considering christians pretty much believe that every person alive has sinned, who the hell are you to cast the first stone? Lastly I'll point out the horror involved in those quotes from the bible. Human eyewitnesses are actually the most notoriously unreliable evidences for crimes. There have actually been countless studies which show that memory is able to be entirely altered and that new memories can be created simply with descriptions of an event which you are told has happened. To put someone to death because god said that eyewitnesses to a crime have this ability to testify is immoral, unscientific, and further evidence that even if this god were real, he would not be one worth worshiping as he has repeatedly shown himself to be a petty, capricious, malevolent, violent, and oppressive god who for all his supposed power needs the words of creatures as insignificant to him as ants are to us to tell him how awesome he is. Talk about insecure.
They should e allowed to worship & believe what they beleive in peace.
splittng hairs and psycho bablle to justify sin will not work. You have no excuse. youcannot blame God or dna for your sin so get off it.
I love how you have no life that you post on fox news every almost every hour. You have no idea what you're talking about and you're just some nut from the Westboro Baptist Ministries or at least close enough that I can't tell you apart from them. If there is a God he doesn't care for some vile bigot spewing his stupidity across Fox's comment boxes. You're incredibly pathetic and the world would be better without you. You're a moron without any idea what you're talking about. If there is a hell I'd gladly go to it so I can laugh at you when you find yourself there.
Joseph Mitzel Another hateful faggot heard from!
Is faggot the best you can come up with? All it does is show what you really are, a homophobic jackass. Your entire point is tainted by the fact that you can do nothing but hate. Bring on your insults, you're entitled to say them, just as I'm allowed to laugh at how pathetic you really are.
faggot is a pefect word for you faggot is a bundle of sticks that burn fast and hot. A metaphor for sodomites who fuel the fires of Hell. Laugh and mock all you like. Gdo will be laughing when youre on fire. :p
Well this Gdo seems to have a good sense of humor. Lie all you want about what you meant but you're not fooling anyone. I'm starting to wonder about that rumor that those who scream so loudly against homosexuality, might just be harboring those desires themselves. You seem to be trying so hard to convince everyone you hate gays. I think you just hate yourself for all those man on man desires you're harboring. One day you'll learn to accept yourself and your desires. Don't worry about all your bigot friends and family. They're just morons anyway.
you freaks always come backwith the same crap. is that the best YOU can do is insinuate that Im a homo. is that the best insult you can think of. . You unwittingly acknowledge the standard of God . that it is a defiling, degrading inordinate and vile affection.
It's okay Charles. You're here, you're queer, we're used to it. Just so you know, the best insults I have wouldn't make it onto this site. If you want something fun though, you're the lowest form of existence imaginable. You're lower than shit. I wouldn't even grace you with the label of Santorum. Google it, and not the candidate. Your pathetic,disgusting, and you delude yourself into thinking that you mean something by spewing your uneducated, hate filled diarrhea of a speech on the net. I feel sorry for you. You likely never had a chance. Some piece of shit parent probably filled your head with all this nonsense. You and your kind are so very alone in this world. You think you're going to heaven, but you're wrong. You couldn't be farther from the truth. You'll find yourself in the 7th Circle along with the others that claim their hatred is justified in God's name. Before you moronically bring it up, That was from Dante. You're a fool and just like your parents, you'll drag your children down with you. Crawl back into your cesspool. That good enough for you bigot?
looks like someones getting rid of your posts. I say bring them back. Let everyone see how much of a rambling idiot you are Capo. You're the freak ranting about fluoride. I thought that nutjob theory got left behind in the 80's
@Charles Capo:
The Lord rebuke you Charles. Scripture says you shall know them by their fruits. You my friend are not exhibiting the fruits of the spirit which are: love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance.
Jude 1:7 states, "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
God did not just judge Sodom for fornication (which includes homosexuality), He judged them for going after 'strange flesh'. The word for strange is the Greek word heteros which means 'of uncertain affinity, other, different'. In other words, they were going after something not human. Just as Abraham and Lot knew, the men of Sodom knew the two men were angels.
In Genesis 6:2 we see the 'sons of God' taking wives of the daughters of men. The Hebrew for 'sons of God' is bene ha' Elohim, which is typically used of angels. This is supported by it's use in Job 1:6 where the 'sons of God' along with satan come to present themselves before the Lord. In Genesis 6:4 we see these unions resulted in giants (hybrids) which spread violence (the history of many cultures show similar accounts of hybrids, ex. Greeks). In Genesis 6:9 we see it states Noah was 'perfect', the Hebrew word for perfect used here is tamiym, which means without blemish, undefiled, sound, whole. Genesis 6:12 we all flesh (excluding Noah per Genesis 6:9) had corrupted it's way. For this reason we see God bring judgement.
Anytime there has been an intermingling of angels and humans, God has brought about judgement.
Therefore, to assert Sodom was destroyed merely for homosexuality is inaccurate.
John 3:16-17 – For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Peter 3:9 – The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
Matthew 5:44-45 – But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; that ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Those verses tell me God loves everyone, even homosexuals. Scripture also tells me that those who don't repent (regardless of sin) will face certain judgement.
Wayne, God Bless you….We are to clearly demonstrate love for one another and we can do that even when we disagree on certain issues.
Wayne, God Bless you….We are to clearly demonstrate love for one another and we can do that even when we disagree on certain issues.
Whew! finally something that speakes the truth! THE BIBLE!!! Thanks Al Zuniga.
@Charles Capco, my dear, if you knew your Bible, you would have come across the verse of how "People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. You might want to take some time and read the GOOD WORD, It will certainly do you soul good, you may also learn how "not to judge" people, for Our God is the only one who can do that! May His Peace comfort your soul. And remember JESUS LOVES YOU! Your in my prayers.
Wayne, Its a shame these people dont know you for the person that you are, or they would love you as we do! You are Amazing and We miss you!
And let the debate begin again just like Chick-Fil-A. This is all I am going to say on this one.
CHICK-FIL-A?? Thanks for the reminder. I love their food…and I love their politics.
Got to git me some cheekin.
Of course with only six comments the real debators have not gotten here yet. BTW Wayne thank you so much for your awesome comment.
FREEDOM OF RELIGION
Of course with only six comments the real debators have not gotten here yet. BTW Wayne thank you so much for your awesome comment.
Ok, the government twisted the Separation of Church and state and stated that the church has no place in the state, well then, the state has no place in the church so they need to butt out!
I agree, end 503 status for churches immediately!!
Excellent post Janet. Since when did disagreeing with homosexuality become "contrary to the basic principles of humanity,” whatever that's supposed to mean. The teachings of Biblical scripture certainly don't condone homosexuality! I think it's high time the government remove themselves from the business of the church. They never belonged there in the first place! With the abysmal condition our public school system is in, the last thing in the world they aught to be doing is pointing fingers at ANYBODY!
This was Jefferson's very point–that churches need not fear intrusion by the government, because there was a "wall of separation." As with anything, those who are wicked have distorted it to mean just the opposite. See For You They Signed by Boyer for more…
and your picture gives you extra credibility!
Hi Janet. Do you understand that in this particular case, the church is actually renting space (in your terms "in") the state? So how, exactly, is the state interfering with the church? They don't have any responsibility to provide space for them, especially if that church is going to endorse the infringement of civil rights.
Grey Hound the point is that the state is telling people what they can and cannot believe.
The state cannot rent the space to people , any people and tell them what to believe even if its for a baby shower to tupperware party. The state rented out the space it does not have the right to tell you what you can and cannot say. That is protected in this country by our constitution. Where are you from?
Grey Hound – in what way are they 'endorsing the infringement of the civil rights' of homosexuals?
Eric Haulenbeek Exactly! If you go by this Super. logic, all Christian children that attend public schools are violating the principles of that school system because of what they are taught in Sunday school. How crazy is that?
It is the law that people can not be discriminated against when concerning renting of property. Doesn't this include churches?
This "separation of church and state" was never even brought up until the 20th century. And if one looks at the founding fathers' original intent, this separation was to protect the church from the state, and not the state from the church. It's been twisted around backwards in the last 75 years. If they had truly intended a total and complete separation between church and state, do you think they ever would have put In God We Trust onto our currency? Would they ever have mentioned our creator in the Declaration of Independence? Would they ever have had public schools open each class with prayer as they did during our first 150 years? Would they ever have had each session of Congress open with prayer (like they still do today)? Would they ever have had witnesses in court swear upon the Holy Bible? Would images of Moses and the Ten Commandments have been allowed to be installed above the Supreme Court justices in their federal courtroom? Would Congress ever have authorized the words Under God to be inserted into the Pledge of Allegiance back in the 1950s?
Yes, we've been so totally brainwashed today into thinking that we must never allow our faith to influence our public goals that most folks have been shamed silent. It's politically incorrect. They keep their faith a "personal experience" [but benign], while very public people and institutions with anti-Christian designs run rampant. Where have all the patriots gone? Doesn't anyone have the will to stand and fight anymore? This country has almost completely bent over in total submission. Edmund Burke once said, "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
I intend to be one of those last remaining "good men", active in defending our rights until my last breath.
if the school rents space to anyone and singles out this church ans refuses to rent because of their bleiefs they are discriminating. This has been thouroughly fleshed out in the courts already. Employess at a court house were refused to use an empty room during their lunch hour to study the Bible but other groups were allowed to use the rooms for other purposes and the courts determined that it was discriminatory. You cant deny ppl the same advantages as you give others because you dont like thier beliefs,
How is teaching and believing what is in the Bible infringing on any civil rights?
How is teaching and believing what is in the Bible infringing on any civil rights?
How is teaching and believing what is in the Bible infringing on any civil rights?
the Sodomites want to control the dialogue. they hate free speech . One of the foundations of civilization is the right to open uninhibited robust debate , the marketplace of ideas where all ideas have a place at the table with the understanding that the best ideas will win out. the sodomites cannot compete in the marketplace so they want to destroy it. they want to silence the opposition so their lies go unchallenged/. that is why they hate the church and its uncomprimising stand on matters of sexual purity. Many Churches along with every other institution has caved , with few exceptins ,IE the boy scouts , Chick-Fil-A and a minority of Bible solid Churches. God will judge america for her apostacy and in fact already is.
"Separation of Church and State" appears precisely zero times in the Constitution of the United States and the 27 Amendments. The idea finds its origin in a speech by Thomas Jefferson not in law. Admittedly the framers did NOT want the Church to have power over the States and vise-versa but no law prohibits the exercise of both in the same place at the same time.
The 1st Amendment prohibits the federal government from passing law supporting or denying any particular religion or the free exercise of religion. The 14th Amendment holds the states to the same prohibition of authority.
Our laws are written to keep the government out of the church not the other way around!
Here's an interesting read: http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_reli.html
Eric, how about the "the government remove themselves from the business of the church" when the Church removes itself from the business of the governments–BOTH Federal AND Local? That's a deal I could live with.
And yes, preaching against Gay people IS "contrary to the basic principles of humanity". Only ignorant bigots believe that Gay people "choose" their sexual orientation. DO you remember EVER "choosing" YOUR PERSONAL sexual orientation? What makes you even dream that anyone "chooses" who they are attracted to? Sanctioning and allowing the preaching against what constitutes a person's basic fundamental biological makeup IS INDEED "contrary to the basic principles of humanity".
Tim Martin By preaching against and inciting hatred of homosexuals. Or was your question a cynical rhetorical joke?
Robert Williams The Separation of Church and State was instituted at the time of the drafting of the Constitution. If you know any TRUTHFUL history about the process, the inclusion of a definite, specifically-sectarian "Christian" orientation to the Constitution was fought over bitterly by several pro-Christian groups and individuals. Time after time after time, the measures were defeated and rejected. The FF's were religious men, mostly, this is true. But they were also perspicacious men who knew that the wedding of government and religion–as had been done in Europe for hundreds of years–was a true path to perdition, corruption, division, and authoritarianism.
It also matters not what some more-fundamentalist members of the government back then believed o espoused. When local governments were allowed–either tacitly or through neglect–to adopt religious orientations in the earliest colonies, the result was the very antithesis of what we consider to be the ethos of the United States. THere was persecution, murder, discrimination, and violence against all manners of religious people. For that reason (and others) the principle of Church-State separation has been CONSISTENTLY reaffirmed by the highest courts in the land, REPEATEDLY and on numerous occasions.
ANd well it should be. For the current crop of fundamentalist extremists which constitute the "Religious Right" today are nothing less than authoritarian Fascists in nature, and their adherents no less so–take a look at the posts by one "Charles Capo" here and shudder to think….
Disagreeing with with homosexuality became contrary to the basic principles of humanity at approximately the time homosexuality became a thing that exists. Now that you know, I hope that puts your question to rest.
yes retard you choose to put your dick in antoher mans poop and ejaculate into it. it is depraved and detestable .
Charles, how many times have you had sex with a man? Are you going to continue to deny it?
Charles, how many times have you had sex with a man? Are you going to continue to deny it?
funny , the best insult you can come up with is to accuse me of being a homo. you unwillingly admit the standard of God is true. Homosexual is degrading and sinful/. Look , no ammount of denial will change the facts. OBEY and be blessed, Do not obey and be cursed.
Charles, it has become apparent to me that, based upon observation, the most virulent, passionate homophobes like yourself are USUALLY former Gay man who cannot reconcile their sexuality with their personal belief system–such as fundamentalist Christianity which, no doubt, YOU embrace. My "insult" to you is more of a question, a beseeching of you to be honest with us about the core of your unreasonable and self-destructive personal animus toward Gay people who have done NOTHING to harm yuo. Surely you can appreciate the sincerity of my question?
STOP defending sin. No homos in heaven.
How do you KNOW that, Charles? Maybe heaven is ONLY for "Homos" since evil people like you cherry-pick the Bible to make life "Hell" for them here?
To be honest with you Charles–even if I believed in "heaven", there's NO Possible way that I could honestly imagine a person so filled with hatred as YOU being allowed in?
are you really this stupid, You say that preaching against the sin of homosex is ''contrary to the basic principles of humanity'' while you are preaching against christians as homophobic bigots. is your mind so riddled with stds that you cannot see the double standard. Should we make hate speech laws making it illegal to decry murder , genocide, rape, etc. Once again we see who the real bigots are. Like it or not pervert. GOD set the standards in this earth. NO homos in heaven, you aredeserving of the death penalty.
Charles, what YOU preach is not only contrary to the basic principles of Humanity, it is contrary to the basic principles of Christianity (Judge not lest ye be judged; Love thy neighbor as thyself), and contrary to the fundamental principles upon which the United States of America was founded. Your attempt to equate "murder, genocide, rape, etc" with a normal sexual orientation proved by Science simply shows the profound depth of your ignorance and hatred. Truly, you have a BLACK SOUL.
Ok, the government twisted the Separation of Church and state and stated that the church has no place in the state, well then, the state has no place in the church so they need to butt out!
Freedom of Speech and Religion are both under attack in this country. And soon the 2nd Amendment as well. That's Obama's change in action for you.
You do know that Obama has done zero against gun rights. ZERO! Do you have any facts to back up your paranoia other than Fox News told you to think that way?
You do know that Obama has done zero against gun rights. ZERO! Do you have any facts to back up your paranoia other than Fox News told you to think that way?
I didn't say he has. In fact he let an assault weapon ban lapse and gun sales are definitely up during his presidency. And liberals are livid with that little fact. I said soon, and after the Colorado shooting the discussion is once again alive and well. Many Democrats feel like Obama should do something about guns. And a second term for Obama means he can really take the gloves off since he no longer has to worry about what the voters think (and we have him on a live mic saying just that). Instead of being the type of person that worries about where people get their news you should probably try to keep up with current events yourself. If you think liberals aren't after guns you are sadly mistaken. I only need to point you to New York and Chicago and their gun bans. And the highest crime rates in the US.
obama needs to go to hell.
obama needs to go to hell.
We have officials in this current administration looking to sign the UN International gun treaty which would take away some of our 2nd Amendment rights.
I considered bringing that up, but a treaty cannot bypass rights guaranteed by the Constitution. It is not possible to make an end run around the 2nd amendment and take our guns. They might try strictly limiting manufacture and sales though. Leaving you with the same right to own a gun and no place to buy one. Also it takes a 2/3 majority of the Senate to ratify any treaty we enter into and with the Senate being close to 50/50 nothing that affected 2nd amendment rights would come close to passing. Now Obama can make Executive Agreements without the Senate's approval but that wouldn't happen in this case. I am far more concerned with what is going on in Nanny states like New York and their gun laws. And their record crime rates. People like Bloomberg want to apply New York laws to the entire US. And it's interesting I got accused to looking to Fox News for "what to think." Rupert Murdoch came out in support of strict gun control himself. Times are getting interesting.
They can get away with anything as long as the dumbing down of the population continues. There is not one in a hundred that can tell you what the first amendment even says. I saw a vidoe recently about how many americans didnt even know why they were celebrating the fourth of July. We are a nation of illiterate perverts and do not any longer deserve the freedoms our fathers fought and died for.
Lisa you do know he is giving away our gun rights to the UN by signing a treaty this month. If ratified it would nullify our second amendment right and put guns only in the hands of the government. The very thing our founding fathers did not want to happen. Do some research before you say he has done zero against gun rights. When in one stroke of the pen he will take them away completely.
I dont believe americans are going to give up their guns without a fight. and nor should they. When the government breaks the law then the ppl have the right to oppose the rogue government.
Lisa Passuello – Three words – Fast and Furious – If we ever get the documents Holder is withholding from Congress we will see that it was a campaign to attack gun rights in America. Also, watch Clinton work with the UN on "world wide" gun control. The obama administration has not done ZERO against gun rights. They, as usual, are just not transparent about their plans.
Sad that some Americans are still drinking the kool-aid and regurgitate opinions written by (Regressive s) Academia and liberal news media…repeat a lie long enough…gullible simpletons will believe ANYTHING that is painted with liberally wide brushes. Just because your college or university took money from you to have a professor teach you their opinion as fact, doesn't make it true. It's sad that COMMON SENSE has been replaced selfish (me) emotionalism, and even more sad that an American citizen would sell out the Republic, to jump on the band wagon. Let the facts show this: This administration has crippled the economy, trampled liberty, defamed the Oval Office (worse than Slick Willie) and has gone after guns(U.N. treaty with Hillary)as well, and sold guns to Cartels, causing the death of a Federal Border Agent. The list of indictments against this admin is as long as the ones listed against King George of Britain in the Declaration of Independence. The good thing about twenty something year olds is they eventually grow up. And NO, FOX News hasn't formed my opinion, I don't let news media dictate my belief, or a lying professor, because I'm not a liberal, God gave me reasoning capability and two eyes that can see what is really happening in our Republic. Sad, a freaking "Greek Tragedy" to be honest.
Jason Bryant, when Religion preaches bigotry and supports the denial of civil rights or individuals, and when Religion aspires to Fascism, and when the NRA conspires to protect the rights of terrorists and psychopaths to arms themselves to the hilt and mass murder Americans, then it's HIGH TIME to "attack" those dubious "rights" and re-examine the "rights" of Religion AND "free speech", as well as gun rights.
Your ridiculous post about "This administration has crippled the economy, trampled liberty, defamed the Oval Office, blah, blah, BLAH…" while crying about "..gullible simpletons [who] will believe ANYTHING…" gave me a good and hearty laugh! Nothing I love more than RIght-wing clueless hypocrisy, Jason!
Obama Odipshit is a liar.
Obama Odipshit is a liar.
ZZZ, I lie how you refer to the religious as fascists and then make one of the most fascist statements I have ever seen right after that. You want to "revisit" 3 rights guaranteed by the constitution. I'm just curious, do you tell people openly that you are a communist? Or do you just not know that is the type of government you are advocating?
Jason, I don't have time for facetious questions from ignorant tools like yourself. The quotations I used are more than adequate to underscore the cynical contempt I hold for what YOU misguidedly believe to be "rights"–which ARE, in fact, agendas that seek to trample and obstruct TRUE "rights".
It frightens me that you have a right to vote, but I wouldn't deny you that–uh, like the RIghtwing which YOU SUPPORT is trying to do to many Americans as we speak here.
My God what a moronic statement. No one cares what leftist extremists like you think. Now you are on here calling people that believe in their rights, that are guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, ignorant. No one cares if you hold people like me in contempt. People that spew vitriol like you are a cancer on a free society. You argue that one group of people is supposedly taking rights for another, and then you argue that the solution to your perceived injustice is to limit or take away rights from other. You nailed being a liberal right on the head there. You want everyone to do as you say, not as you do.
I know it frightens a person like you that I have a right to vote because you don't want anyone else to have any rights. You are one of those crazy left wing liberals that thinks no one should have the right to speak their mind, choose leaders to represent their beliefs, or offer a dissenting opinion. You have even gone so far as to make an anonymous facebook page to post here. Why? Because no one in their right mind says the things you are saying where anyone could see who there are. I think you would probably be happier some place like China or North Korea from reading what you have to say.
Anyway, keep hiding who you are so you can make hateful comments. That certainly makes anything you say absolutely meaningless.
My God what a moronic statement. No one cares what leftist extremists like you think. Now you are on here calling people that believe in their rights, that are guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, ignorant. No one cares if you hold people like me in contempt. People that spew vitriol like you are a cancer on a free society. You argue that one group of people is supposedly taking rights for another, and then you argue that the solution to your perceived injustice is to limit or take away rights from other. You nailed being a liberal right on the head there. You want everyone to do as you say, not as you do.
I know it frightens a person like you that I have a right to vote because you don't want anyone else to have any rights. You are one of those crazy left wing liberals that thinks no one should have the right to speak their mind, choose leaders to represent their beliefs, or offer a dissenting opinion. You have even gone so far as to make an anonymous facebook page to post here. Why? Because no one in their right mind says the things you are saying where anyone could see who there are. I think you would probably be happier some place like China or North Korea from reading what you have to say.
Anyway, keep hiding who you are so you can make hateful comments. That certainly makes anything you say absolutely meaningless.
And you really need to look up the meaning of facetious. There is no joke in my question. I really want to know if you truly believe that freedom of speech and religion aren't basic rights. And if you do, whether or not you know that you are advocating that we live in a society that greatly resembles Nazi Germany or the Pre-Cold War Soviet Union.
Sweet, when you block crazy liberal atheists on facebook you don't have to see their insane hate-ridden comments on here. Win.
Jason Grant 2 gay rights =aids and death.
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz true gay rights? aids death and hell!
Just block him like I did. You can't ever win an argument with a moron. They will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience every time.
the best part is whne the worst insult that they can think of is to accuse you of being a closet. LOL
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz –Show me in this passage of scripture sacred to true Believers and Followers of Christ, where the command to be a bigot or hate is. Funny how NON Believers can make assessments about faith, belief, and the Bible, when you aren't a student of either of these. FYI-The debate was on gun control: "21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless." Romans 1:21-31
Zisser is an example of why I say they cannot repent. it is oxymoron to expect that someone would repent of a thing they adamantly defend and refuse to acknowledge as a sin. They will never stop. They are proud of their sin. They actually justify it and encourage it and promote. You dont see murderers pride parades or tax cheats pride parades. You can see the word of God in action at a sodomite pride parade. They a re given over by God to a depraved mind.
Zisser is an example of why I say they cannot repent. it is oxymoron to expect that someone would repent of a thing they adamantly defend and refuse to acknowledge as a sin. They will never stop. They are proud of their sin. They actually justify it and encourage it and promote. You dont see murderers pride parades or tax cheats pride parades. You can see the word of God in action at a sodomite pride parade. They a re given over by God to a depraved mind.
Jason Grant , I fear that if Obama gets another term, where will our country be. It is unbelievable how far we have gone down the wrong road, led by Obama. The farther we get from God the more wicked people will become.
Freedom of Speech and Religion are both under attack in this country. And soon the 2nd Amendment as well. That's Obama's change in action for you.
The mayor said "you can't censor his speech". WRONG. You certainly can censor the pastor's speech, if your a leftwing, radical with your nose firmly planted in Obamas crotch and you only come up for air and a drink of the kool-aid. All of this anti-religion and anti-american crap didn't start, until Obama lied and scammed his way into the white house. I'm hoping Romney gets elected and fires everyone having authority at the HHS; EPA; IRS and comes up with some laws to ban political correctness and the war on religion. Just saying.
Being a christian, means we believe in God's word! what is right and wrong from what the word teaches, it { DOES NOT } mean that we don't love the ones that don't believe as we do.God teaches us to pray for those! not to not love them!
You're right Hazel. We are to love them… AND confront them about sin, just as Jesus did.
Also, I certainly have compassion on and have personally encouraged and prayed with homosexuals who knew that their sin was wrong (just as heterosexual sexual sin is wrong). It truly breaks my heart to see someone in unwilling bondage to any sin.
What I do have a problem with is when any group tries to change society to not only accept their sin as normal, but to encourage and applaud those (including children) who proclaim that they are proud to be involved in this nightmare that is so-incorrectly-labeled Gay. They are greatly more likely to suffer depression, alcoholism, drug abuse, STD's, suicide, etc. I believe truth-in-labeling laws have been violated and it should be renamed Horrific instead of Gay.
We do need to love all people, we just don't love their sin (or our own). We have to preach God's love and redeption for all sinners through Jesus sacrifice on the cross. However, as American, our country was founded on the right to be free to practice any religion and we also have freedom of speech, which this pastor was practicing.
"Hate the sin, love the sinner" is the most cowardly moral dodge that Christians use these days. Pathetic how reflexively this phrase is thrown out, as if excusing one's bigotry by blaming it on God somehow makes one morally pure? FAIL!
God hates the sin and the sinner and casts sodomites into the lake of fire.
God also hate the hater and anally impales them for all eternity on a giant black dildo, Charles. It says so in my own scriptures. You'd better invest in KY.
youre a filthy pervert who hates truth. I speak the plain truth and you see it as hate.
The church pays rent! not for the school to dictate what to believe in and what to preach!
Absolutely!
The truth is rare these days. The Bible is truth. It is reality. It is unchanging. It is sharp and active, able to convict the sinner's heart and save the lost. This pastor is doing his job correctly. He is equipping his flock to proclaim the gospel. Nothing that school has done, is currently doing, or will ever do can compare to impact of the gospel. I think the pastor should sue the school. In no way can any entity, government or otherwise, tell people what they can and cannot believe or speak.
the bible is a lie and written for haters and douchefuckingbags
If the bible were the only truth, then why don't we teach it in school? I know I know, because ALL faith is just that, faith. Don't sit in judgement of teachers and public schools, they are working their butts off to teach kids the basics to survive. When knowledge of the Bible gets someone a job as a Dr, CPA, or attorney, Then you can talk.
I guess only YOU can sit in judgment.
I guess only YOU can sit in judgment.
I guess only YOU can sit in judgment.
Your president isn't getting anyone a job either, is he? Maybe he is the one who shouldn't talk. None of his policies work. Everyone puts faith in something; you obviously have a lot of faith in liberal policies and ideas. They don't seem to working our for our country, do they? Maybe it's time to change your faith.
Your president isn't getting anyone a job either, is he? Maybe he is the one who shouldn't talk. None of his policies work. Everyone puts faith in something; you obviously have a lot of faith in liberal policies and ideas. They don't seem to working our for our country, do they? Maybe it's time to change your faith.
Your president isn't getting anyone a job either, is he? Maybe he is the one who shouldn't talk. None of his policies work. Everyone puts faith in something; you obviously have a lot of faith in liberal policies and ideas. They don't seem to working our for our country, do they? Maybe it's time to change your faith.
lisa is pretty an d right
Girl, if knowledge and wisdom were water, you'd be a slow drip from a leaky faucet.
Knowledge of quantum physics cannot get you a job as a CPA, attorney or doctor. I guess it's useless.
Lisa Passuello If teaching "kids the basics to survive" is really what the teachers and public schools are "working their butts off" to do, why is it that so many "graduates" don't have the basic skills for employment at any level? One of the reasons for our high rate of unemployment is that so many of our people don't know enough to do the type of work required in today's job market. Why do you think employers are now demanding a college degree for receptionist's and mail clerk positions? College is doing the "teaching the basics to survive" work for which you are incorrectly crediting the public schools.
So the only thing important in life is becoming a Dr., CPA, or attorney?!?!?! That is a condescending, arrogant statement…the Bible doesn't earn you a piece of paper young lady, it earns you valuable life lessons. Many teachers are NOT working their butts off and that is the problem and EXACTLY why I am about to finish school and become one.
Everyone utilizes faith….but the line of seperation between religious and secular faith is that one is based upon a expectation in natural patterns and causes, while the other is in supernatural interventions. Christians can only turn up empty palms when asked to reveal the personhood of a god.
Ever occur that God is not a person and the human mind can not comprehend "eternity" because it is not a computable number? That is why we will never solve space either…If there is no God and no higher good or evil power, then what is a conscience?
Laura Bethel, Obama created more jobs in three years than Bush did in eight–TRUE FACT, look it up. And those weren't "Bush's LIBERAL policies", you fool. But hey–let's elect Romney and put those SAME policies back in place, right?
FAIL! FAIL! FAIL!!!
Lisa Passuello Actually the foundation of most of the education being taught in American public schools is based on the study of Western civilization and literature which is chock full of biblical literature and history, directly and indirectly. If you are an educator you cannot have overlooked that and even if you try cutting it out of your curriculum, unless you distort the curriculum, it is there. Only the very misinformed just don't acknowledge its existence or downplay its importance. Whether or not someone believes the Bible is supernatural is a different argument altogether, but to dismiss its place in education is careless and is one of the reasons our education system is in serious trouble.
Lisa Passuello No sense being stupid if you can't show it, right stupid.
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz Take your silly *ss fairy tales on down the road. oBozo has done nothing but drag increase our public debt and put Americans out of work, but you useful idiots who infest the democRAT trailer still obey when the CrackheadClown orders you to believe him and ignore your lying eyes.
Jeffrey, you're actually demonstrably wrong, and it can be proven. Bush's policies created SQUAT, while Obama's have been working-albeit slowly–but the statistics don't lie. Not that that ever bothered you Conservative types? We all know that you invent your own realities and believe what you want to believe. And if your side succeeds in rigging the vote and Plastic Man Romney steals the White House, you'll get the SAME ineffective, corrupt policies that ruined the nation under Bush. Talk about "stupid"–you're stumping for your own destruction, Texan. Then again, exactly what I wold expect from a moron who "favorited" George W. and …..and …..and ….no wait; I can't say it ….SARAH PALIN (bursts sides laughing hysterically!!!)
(three minutes of raucous laughter later…) Furthermore, our government is not set up to rule by fiat. Obama cannot create jobs out of thin air when the Grand Obstruction Party has done everything in their power to stymy the advancement of the economy. I have to ask myself; are Conservatives like you REALLY that stupid, or do you just willfully choose to ignore that it was the Republican Party's STATED POLICY to do everything in their considerable power as a minority to destroy Obama's presidency–even, it is apparent now–at the price of destroying the nation's economy and sending people into poverty and destitution?
So—what is it, Jeffers? Are you REALLY that stupid?
Jeffrey, you're actually demonstrably wrong, and it can be proven. Bush's policies created SQUAT, while Obama's have been working-albeit slowly–but the statistics don't lie. Not that that ever bothered you Conservative types? We all know that you invent your own realities and believe what you want to believe. And if your side succeeds in rigging the vote and Plastic Man Romney steals the White House, you'll get the SAME ineffective, corrupt policies that ruined the nation under Bush. Talk about "stupid"–you're stumping for your own destruction, Texan. Then again, exactly what I wold expect from a moron who "favorited" George W. and …..and …..and ….no wait; I can't say it ….SARAH PALIN (bursts sides laughing hysterically!!!)
(three minutes of raucous laughter later…) Furthermore, our government is not set up to rule by fiat. Obama cannot create jobs out of thin air when the Grand Obstruction Party has done everything in their power to stymy the advancement of the economy. I have to ask myself; are Conservatives like you REALLY that stupid, or do you just willfully choose to ignore that it was the Republican Party's STATED POLICY to do everything in their considerable power as a minority to destroy Obama's presidency–even, it is apparent now–at the price of destroying the nation's economy and sending people into poverty and destitution?
So—what is it, Jeffers? Are you REALLY that stupid?
Another school board hasn't gotten the message the Bible hasn't changed in 2000 years so why should Bible believing Christians capitulate with what God describes in the Bible as an abomination. Homosexuals can push their agenda and lie about the facts and continue to pervert our children in the government schools with their propaganda against conservative values but they are breaking the laws if they try to discriminate against conservatives based on their ideology. There is absolutely no “homosexual gene it was proven false. The Bill Of Rights still applies to conservative Christians also too and this school board is setting itself up to be sued. Freedom of religion and assembly our rightsl guaranteed under our constitution. (Unless Barak Hussein Obama has signed some secret executive order abolishing them). Christian need to unite against this anti-Christ agenda pushed on us by the "secular fundamentalist elite. "
Can these people be more hypocritical? They always claim to be so open minded and considerate of others and their point of view(except of course when it's not theirs). And on the other hand these people accuse conservatives and Tea Party types of being racist bigots of the highest order, because most live their lives according to their religous beliefs. And when I say "these people" I mean super left wing liberals. I wish this wasn't the case, but it is! And I think it's time people start practicing what they preach, starting with our elected officials. Stop creating division and create unity!
And to Wayne Earhart: it's good to know other people see the hypocracy and the blatant disregard for others beliefs. Good post…..
Can these people be more hypocritical? They always claim to be so open minded and considerate of others and their point of view(except of course when it's not theirs). And on the other hand these people accuse conservatives and Tea Party types of being racist bigots of the highest order, because most live their lives according to their religous beliefs. And when I say "these people" I mean super left wing liberals. I wish this wasn't the case, but it is! And I think it's time people start practicing what they preach, starting with our elected officials. Stop creating division and create unity!
And to Wayne Earhart: it's good to know other people see the hypocracy and the blatant disregard for others beliefs. Good post…..
Spot on, Doug. The church is SUPER hypocritical!
Another school board hasn't gotten the message the Bible hasn't changed in 2000 years so why should Bible believing Christians capitulate with what God describes in the Bible as an abomination. Homosexuals can push their agenda and lie about the facts and continue to pervert our children in the government schools with their propaganda against conservative values but they are breaking the laws if they try to discriminate against conservatives based on their ideology. There is absolutely no “homosexual gene it was proven false. The Bill Of Rights and Constitution still applies to conservative Christians and this school board is setting itself up to be sued. Freedom of religion and assembly are rights guaranteed under our constitution. (Unless Barak Hussein Obama has signed some secret executive order abolishing them). Christian need to unite against this anti-Christ perverted agenda pushed on us by the "secular fundamentalist elite. "
Another school board hasn't gotten the message the Bible hasn't changed in 2000 years so why should Bible believing Christians capitulate with what God describes in the Bible as an abomination. Homosexuals can push their agenda and lie about the facts and continue to pervert our children in the government schools with their propaganda against conservative values but they are breaking the laws if they try to discriminate against conservatives based on their ideology. There is absolutely no “homosexual gene it was proven false. The Bill Of Rights and Constitution still applies to conservative Christians and this school board is setting itself up to be sued. Freedom of religion and assembly are rights guaranteed under our constitution. (Unless Barak Hussein Obama has signed some secret executive order abolishing them). Christian need to unite against this anti-Christ perverted agenda pushed on us by the "secular fundamentalist elite. "
Hows the research on that "straight gene" coming along?
The school board needs to stay the Hell out of the Church if they don't believe in what is being said then don't go. If u ask me they need to put some church back in school some of these kids could use it.
The school board needs to stay the Hell out of the Church if they don't believe in what is being said then don't go. If u ask me they need to put some church back in school some of these kids could use it.
We are living in perilous times
GOOD they should not teach hate in schools
So you HATE GAYS?
Jesus tityfucking Chirst They should teach kids to HATE GAYS IN SCHOOL?
Promote HATE in Jesus NAME?
We are living in perilous times
This is the danger of the current gay marriage debate. If it becomes legal then the freedom of religion will come under attack.
Yep, Lets eliminate that church but keep all the pedophile teachers lurking around the schools. Political correctness destroying children one pedophile at a time.
Pedophile
http://privateinvesigations.blogspot.com/2012/06/miami-teacher-accused-of-60-sex-acts.html
Pedophile
http://www.ethailand.com/news/american-pedophile-teacher-arrested-in-pattaya-339905.html
Another Pedophile..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2110569/Therapist-brands-teacher-James-Hooker-41-left-family-student-18-sexual-predator.html
I wonder what the school teaches about freedom of speech?
If it was the KKK, or some other hate group renting this space, would the board be in the right for revoking use of the space? This isn't about free speech but hate speech. This is about speech that harms another group. If the KKK rented this space, this "pastor" would be among the first to lead a protest against the board and the KKK.
PS. There is no god. Silly humans, stop being afraid of the dark.
What exactly is hate speech? The act of homosexuality is sin according to the bible. Put another way, sticking a man's penis into another man's anus is a sin…dont you agree?
Give up on the KKK analogies, please! Kinda like sooner or later, someone will reference Nazism.
Godwin's Law—"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."
It should also be applicaple to the KKK.
no.
BTW, hate group Rhese? Are you talking about the folks that YOU associate with?
That was an amusingly ridiculous post. I don't believe in ghosts, but I don't berate or criticize or get my amusement at the expense of those that do. It's called respect. That is a quality most of you atheists do not hold.
Or what if it were Muslims who were preaching here…would fauxnews and/or the pastor be screaming about the rights of Muslims to preach according to their holy book? hmmmmm…..
hard to take seriously someone that says "fauxnews". There is so much to be said here, but an idea would be to actually read the Koran (cover to cover) and glean their "conversion" requirements and what happens if you say "no".
Dewayne Ward Rhese is just an atheist that doesn't believe in free speech unless it supports their belief.
Rhese the way frees speech works is no matter what religion you are you have a right to teach what you believe. And if it were a muslim, catholic, or any other group that rented any space for use by their group then they have a right to teach their beliefs. No I would have no problems with that. You protest this yet have no problems when a LBGT group goes after a private christian business owner who choses not to do business that goes against their beliefs.
Rhese, you are dismissed for stupidity
Yeah. Try being gay in the Middle East. That'll show em…..
OK, so the school should continue to rent to the church group, because if it doesn't it needs to kick all religious groups out. But I must say I do enjoy reading how pissed off everyone is. Ever since fox turned off the comment section on most of its articles, it has been a little harder to get my fix of angry conservatives who are convinced the country is going down the tubes.
Levi with out Christ, man has no intrinsic value. We who do hold beliefs are constantly criticized. Usually it is from others who have no belief system at all. If you took the time
and effort to study you may come to the point where you could understand someone elses point of view and put up a logical argument. The lack of moral value in any society is destructive. It sounds to me that you may be intelligent enough to recognize that but to stupid to care.
Levi, I love the way that brain dead folks like you keep blasting Fox News and the folks that watch it. Your act is tired, worn out and not bought by anyone. Get a new routine. You are now dismissed as irrelevant
My act is anything but worn out and tired.. I am not criticizing Fox News as much as I am their followers. Fox is in the business of making money and it does a very good job of it, they sell over the top hyperbole that masquerades as 'news', and that is fine, but the people who watch it should at least realize it.
@ Paul Terry, I never understood why religious folk in America claim they are 'constantly criticized'. Sure there is a segment of the population that does not like religion, but overall they do not represent a significant portion. The vast majority of America believes in God, and a great majority of Americans are Christians. Stop pretending to be persecuted, walk in the shoes of a Christian North Korean or Chinese person then you would know what real persecution feels like.
This school system KNEW when it rented space how the Baptist Church felt about same sex marriage and they didn't have a problem with it. Just another grand standing politician.
So the school supt. Alberto Carvalho says opposition to homosexuality “appears to be contrary to school board policy as well as the basic principles of humanity.” Sorry pal homosexuality is contrary to the basic principles of humanity.
No kidding…why don't people realize if everyone went homo then life itself would end? It would take one round of just one generation being a peter puffer or muffin muncher (every single person) and life would be over.
We do have freedom of speech. Why does the church have to abide by the state or government? They are renting the facility. Does every landlord have to agree with every renter and what they do in their rented home or apartment? The church is not preaching to the kids. People are willing coming. The schools are filled with propaganda. Do we come in and cast the schools out? Think please!
Wouldn't evicting them because of their beliefs be discrimination? You couldn't evict a family from an apartment because of their religious beliefs, so how can this be legal?
Repent of Sodomy. Humanity DEMANDS it and SO DOES Almighty GOD!
Your "God" can go fook himself.
Christianity is based on abslolutes. Absolute truth. We have the evidence to support it.
Some non believers do not understand this. They believe that truth is relative to the situation. Now days you can say anything you want as long as you do not declare it to be absolutely true. Yet these non believers cannot stand Christians. They argue that we cannot use absolutes (meaning you choose Christ or not) yet they don't like it and do not accept if we do not choose to believe what they want. Under our believe system we believe that Christ is truth. Accept it or not. Under their belief system.
they believe that truth is what you want it to be as long as it is not Jesus Christ.
Pastor Jack Hakimian is a closet homosexual and I have proof he has a gay blog..what a hypocrite horrible evil person…i hate christian you all suck and are hypocrites.
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Mark, and I have proof that you are a pedophile that rapes 2 year old girls
put up your proof where is the evidence you speak of
I HAVE PROOF YOUR ABOUT TO GO TO A MOVIE THEATER AND KILL ALOT OF PEOPLE
i did already and with pictures on TMZ
So to establish tolerance the school exercises intolerance?
Unbelievable. Everyone pays taxes to support the educational system, even those who think, for example, that (insert your favorite gripe) is a mis-use of taxpayer funds. The school can legitimately rent out the facilities for such things as a meeting for county farmers, wedding receptions, concerts for which admission will be charged, etc., as my own school did, and even DUH! a church service. Never mind that the groom at the wedding is a womanizer and thus has a 'shady reputation', or the concert features all the music you can't stand, or the farmers come with you-know-what on their boots and need to wipe their feet before entering. So you pay your money, you rent your space. The School Board/Administration is being way too arrogant and haughty and should remember who it is that makes it possible for them to get a paycheck. All taxpayers should have equal access to such facilities and should only need to comply with normal and reasonable rental requirements.
That school needs a histoty lesson on Sodom and Gomorrah, and God's position on homosexuals. Plus there is the issue of the givt not restricting the free expression of one's religion (provided it doesn't include killing anyone or torture or….)…God hates sin, NOT the sinner!
That school needs a histoty lesson on Sodom and Gomorrah, and God's position on homosexuals. Plus there is the issue of the givt not restricting the free expression of one's religion (provided it doesn't include killing anyone or torture or….)…God hates sin, NOT the sinner!
Let me get this straight, they want to discriminate on the basis of beliefs because of the church's beliefs? Uh, discrimination in renting practices is ILLEGAL! Opinions are NOT!
I'm in full suport of the Baptist preacher. I'm a Christian and I know what the Bible says about homosexuality. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for its sin (Gensis chapters 14, 18 and 19). Paul in his letter to the Romans was quite clear and precise about God's judgment concerning sin (Romans chapters 1-3). Now Christians are told by Christ and the Apostle Paul that they will be presecuted, and hated for being followers of Christ this is nothing new. Christians are commanded to contend to the faith (Jude 3) and Peter said to speak the word of God (1Pet 4:11).
this is not Linda 's comments about homosexuality that is there life if that is how they want to live that is their business i love all people
Surly there are private religious schools that will rent you space on Sundays – don't give these secular PC bigots your money.
I appreciate the freedom of speech argument. I also appreciate that a taxpaying public should not have to provide a space for people to propagate bigotry and discrimination toward a noncriminal portion of the population. One can be fully Christian, explore various aspects of faith and personal growth, without fostering discrimination.
DEMOCRATS will tell you what you can and can't believe – until we STOP THEM!
We are to love them… AND confront them about sin, just as Jesus did.
Also, I certainly have compassion on and have personally encouraged and prayed with homosexuals who knew that their sin was wrong (just as heterosexual sexual sin is wrong). It truly breaks my heart to see someone in unwilling bondage to any sin.
What I do have a problem with is when any group tries to change society to not only accept their sin as normal, but to encourage and applaud those (including children) who proclaim that they are proud to be involved in this nightmare that is so-incorrectly-labeled Gay. They are greatly more likely to suffer depression, alcoholism, drug abuse, STD's, suicide, etc. I believe if truth-in-labeling laws applied, it would be renamed Horrific instead of Gay.
I say kick them out. We don't need to fund their building with our tax money.
You have it backwards, Lee. The church is renting from the school, so is in essence funding the school. This seems to me to be a free speech issue.
He's welcome to say whatever he wants. I just resent having him say it in a building I paid for. I want to know why this freeloader can't buy his own building like all other churches do. I don't particularly care if 1,500 a month is fair market value or not although it sounds like it isn't. He's operating a tax exempt business and he personally benefits from massive tax breaks that are not available to the non clergy. We've subsidized him enough it's time to pry his freeloading but out of our wallets.
He's welcome to say whatever he wants. I just resent having him say it in a building I paid for. I want to know why this freeloader can't buy his own building like all other churches do. I don't particularly care if 1,500 a month is fair market value or not although it sounds like it isn't. He's operating a tax exempt business and he personally benefits from massive tax breaks that are not available to the non clergy. We've subsidized him enough it's time to pry his freeloading but out of our wallets.
He's welcome to say whatever he wants. I just resent having him say it in a building I paid for. I want to know why this freeloader can't buy his own building like all other churches do. I don't particularly care if 1,500 a month is fair market value or not although it sounds like it isn't. He's operating a tax exempt business and he personally benefits from massive tax breaks that are not available to the non clergy. We've subsidized him enough it's time to pry his freeloading but out of our wallets.
A lot of our congressmen and women say a lot of things I don't like in a building I paid for. In fact, come to think of it, I actually pay them too.
My first thought on this was if it were any religion but Christian it would be the school being labeled as bigots, not the church.
My first thought on this was if it were any religion but Christian it would be the school being labeled as bigots, not the church.
Says Supt. Alberto Carvalho, “I am making this decision not on the basis of policy or politics but as a rejection of prejudice and intolerance.” Apparently he is unaware of the irony.