May 18, 2012
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An Idaho elementary school under threat of a federal lawsuit has reversed its decision to ban a first grade student from performing a song they deemed “too religious” in a talent show.
Lena Whitmore Elementary School, in Moscow, Idaho, will now allow Joy Green to perform sign language to a Chris Tomlin song called, “We Fall Down,” according to Matt Sharp, an attorney with the Alliance Defense Fund.
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“Public schools should encourage, not shut down, the free exchange of ideas,” Sharp said in a statement. “Removing the voice of faith from schools sends a message to all students that religion is something to be ashamed of.”
Had the school not reversed its decision, Sharp said he was prepared to file a federal lawsuit accusing the Moscow School District 281 of violating the child’s Constitutional rights.
The controversy started last month when the first grader auditioned for the talent show. The song she selected, “We Fall Down” is performed by Contemporary Christian artist Chris Tomlin. By all indications, the audition panel, made up of the music teacher and other teachers, was well received.
But shortly after the audition, Joy’s mother, Quandice Green, received a telephone call from the principal. She was told her daughter could not perform sign language to the song because it was “too religious,” the ADF said.
Green was instructed by the principal to select a less religious song. She said that was not an acceptable option because her daughter only performs sign language to religious songs.
A few days later, Green was given a copy of District Policy 5350.03 – “Private Religious Expressions.” The policy forbids religious expression on school property if there is a “captive audience.” That phrase, according to the ADF, was underlined and a note was attached reading “Talent Shows.”
The implication, according to the ADF, was that the talent show audience was a captive audience.
And while the religious song was deemed inappropriate, the school allowed another student to perform a cheer that included lyrics referencing Britney Spears, Michael Jackson, Salt-n-Peppa and “shake your butt.”
Dale Kleinert, the superintendent of schools, told Fox News that the principal misinterpreted the district’s policy. He said he was not even aware there was a problem until he got a letter from the Alliance Defense Fund.
“As soon as we got the letter, I said, ‘whoa this is not right,’” Kleinert said, noting that he immediately got in his car, drove to the school and told the principal to “get this fixed.”
Sharp said while the ADF is glad the decision has been reversed, the rule itself is still on the books.
“The school district is off to a good start in allowing this performance to occur, but it needs to revise its unconstitutional policy so that this doesn’t happen again,” Sharp said in a statement.
Kleinert said he’s already asked the district’s counsel to reexamine the policy.
Joy will perform her talent on May 22.
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Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. If every non-Christian has a lawyer these days regarding public school policies not adhering to their diversity issues, why shouldn't the Christian child have one too? If 'God' isn't allowed in schools, neither should 'Allah' or whoever else people may worship.
At least they allow your God, the chair, in school!
Marianne Nunes the chair?
Teresa- Marianne is my sister and 'the chair' is an inside joke. It has absolutely nothing to do with religion or politics.
Great Story!
This is how the Soviets forced communism on everyone in Russia during the 1917 revolution. Force religion out of their lives by violent and propaganda. The ACLU and athiest are no different is no different.
This is how the Soviets forced communism on everyone in Russia during the 1917 revolution. Force religion out of their lives by violent and propaganda. The ACLU and athiest are no different is no different.
Do a little research, and the ACLU is supported by Communists.
you are right. this is how we lived for 70+ years. Sadly, this is what America is slowly moving towards to. Why oh why not to learn from other country's experience?
Interestingly enough, an astute mind would say that religion was imposed on people through violence and propaganda….
The opiate of the (ignorant) masses….
Marx was an angry, jerk with an overly simplistic opinion of his fellow man and you are just another useful idiot. Socialism fails everywhere it is tried.
Marx was an angry, jerk with an overly simplistic opinion of his fellow man and you are just another useful idiot. Socialism fails everywhere it is tried.
Karl Marx. Interesting. I honestly don't understand this country anymore. Our founding fathers built this nation on Biblical principles, but now the mere mention of the Bible in a public school is unacceptable. True Christianity never used violence or propoganda to draw people to Christ. In fact, we were the ones getting marched into the arenas to become cat treats for the lions, or covered in pitch to light up Nero's gardens for his dinner parties. People seem to like to forget that because it's easier to throw rocks at a lamb when you see it more as a wolf. Believing in the One who created the universe and you is not ignorance, as far as I'm concerned. Our more "advanced" culture has done us little favors. Faith is hard to come by these days because people want something they can see. If you can't see it, it doesn't exist. Yet we believe in joy, love, anger, and any other emotion. You can't see the emotion itself, but you believe in it. My God is not visible to the naked eye, for He would rather we live on faith, not sight. We grow closer to Him through our faith. If you don't believe, that is your choice, but if you are allowed to express your beliefs publicly, I would like to have the same right. I'm so happy for this little girl; she gets to share the joy of her faith with others.
Karl Marx. Interesting. I honestly don't understand this country anymore. Our founding fathers built this nation on Biblical principles, but now the mere mention of the Bible in a public school is unacceptable. True Christianity never used violence or propoganda to draw people to Christ. In fact, we were the ones getting marched into the arenas to become cat treats for the lions, or covered in pitch to light up Nero's gardens for his dinner parties. People seem to like to forget that because it's easier to throw rocks at a lamb when you see it more as a wolf. Believing in the One who created the universe and you is not ignorance, as far as I'm concerned. Our more "advanced" culture has done us little favors. Faith is hard to come by these days because people want something they can see. If you can't see it, it doesn't exist. Yet we believe in joy, love, anger, and any other emotion. You can't see the emotion itself, but you believe in it. My God is not visible to the naked eye, for He would rather we live on faith, not sight. We grow closer to Him through our faith. If you don't believe, that is your choice, but if you are allowed to express your beliefs publicly, I would like to have the same right. I'm so happy for this little girl; she gets to share the joy of her faith with others.
These fools actually trust government and not the citizens. Never in the history of mankind has there been a place or time when politicians or governments have had a reputation for honesty or trustworthiness. The problem with freedom for them is that they must explain themselves and convince people to go along with what ever they want to do. They would rather just tell us what to do and dismiss our concerns.
These fools actually trust government and not the citizens. Never in the history of mankind has there been a place or time when politicians or governments have had a reputation for honesty or trustworthiness. The problem with freedom for them is that they must explain themselves and convince people to go along with what ever they want to do. They would rather just tell us what to do and dismiss our concerns.
Howie
It may have been forced on people hundreds of years ago, its different now. Religion is open to anyone who is willing to receive. About the opiate of the ignorant masses, I think you refer to this corrupt government, claiming the high road in educating kids in what it wants them to know in an indoctrinating fashion through taxpayer funded failed institutions of public indoctrination called public schools.
Howie
It may have been forced on people hundreds of years ago, its different now. Religion is open to anyone who is willing to receive. About the opiate of the ignorant masses, I think you refer to this corrupt government, claiming the high road in educating kids in what it wants them to know in an indoctrinating fashion through taxpayer funded failed institutions of public indoctrination called public schools.
Howard Aubrey you are not an astute mind.
Misha Mishka Sadly, many Americans are no longer aware of what the Soviet Union was. They're too concerned with being entertained and having a good time to bother with knowing anything like that.
Misha Mishka It didn't happen here so they think it can't happen here – if they care enough to know what "it" is.
@Howard: No, an ignorant mind would say religion in this country was imposed on people through violence and propoganda. Why are you so ignorant?
The opiate of the masses, for those who have it, is Hope. What a miserable life we have without hope. When all we would have are the fleeting pleasures of the moment and at the end, destruction, hopelessness.
Religion is a tool for worship, Hope and Faith are the life lines for a dying world. There is no salvation in religion.
Way to go Joy Green… please post a video of her performance!
Way to go Joy Green… please post a video of her performance!
The comments section of a Todd Starnes article – a bastion of intellectual thought.
Yet you are here chiming in as well. Am I to conclude then that you are just as intellectually challenged?
Many renowned scholars frequent this blog. Such a diverse and tolerant group.
I lived in Idaho for 1 1/2 years. It is totally Mormon controlled. They will not hire you, socialize with you, and will treat you and your family as if you are beneath them. But, let me clarify this is Salt Lake City Mormons, who even treat Mormons from other other areas of the country like crap.
not sure where you live. I moved to Idaho 8 yrs ago from California. Work for the local college ever since. And I am NOT a Mormon, I am a first generation immigrant from Europe. Never felt as an outsider, have a few close friends, some of them are Mormon.
I lived in Idaho Falls, on the east side, about 3 1/2 hrs. from Salt Lake City. All of our neighbors were Mormon, and they ostracized us from day one. Our yard was vandalized, our rear windshield of our car broken out, too. The only reason they didn't mess with my kids is because they were bigger. Other Mormons I have known, in California and Texas, have been wonderful and some of them have been treated badly when they have traveled to Utah.
You are full of shit I lived in Idaho for ten years and its nothing like you say and I am not mormon
Just because we had different experiences does not make me wrong. You don't know me or my life.
They work for a government that bases all our rights and all our government's restrictions on our Creator they seem to think we can't mention.
This country is not unanimous in its belief in a god. Surely you realize this?
We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal.
There is no scientific, secular or for that matter earthly standard that will support such a claim.
We as a nation declare and defend a Chrisitan principle in spite of every earthly measure.
Who do you think the founders meant by Creator?
THEIR creator. Its subjective. For me, its the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Many of the founders were deists. And they specifically made our constitution and government SECULAR.
It doesn't even matter what the founders religious beliefs were. Nearly 240 years later we are a very diverse society. A melting pot, if you will. Many of us see religion as ridiculous and faith as an excuse to throw away the thinking cap.
the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
THEIR creator. Its subjective. For me, its the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Many of the founders were deists. And they specifically made our constitution and government SECULAR.
It doesn't even matter what the founders religious beliefs were. Nearly 240 years later we are a very diverse society. A melting pot, if you will. Many of us see religion as ridiculous and faith as an excuse to throw away the thinking cap.
the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
Deist was only a scam to get government jobs without being Anglican.
So if we are not founded upon Christian principles then what standard do you base "all men are created equal" upon?
Deist was only a scam to get government jobs without being Anglican.
So if we are not founded upon Christian principles then what standard do you base "all men are created equal" upon?
Did the founders truly believe "all men are created equal"? How did they treat the native people of this land? Did they own slaves? How much was a black person's vote worth again? Lets not even get into the way they treated women.
And where in the bible is the phrase "all men are created equal"? That philosophy can be found in many places outside christianity.
Did the founders truly believe "all men are created equal"? How did they treat the native people of this land? Did they own slaves? How much was a black person's vote worth again? Lets not even get into the way they treated women.
And where in the bible is the phrase "all men are created equal"? That philosophy can be found in many places outside christianity.
Nick, your lack of knowledge is astounding: “It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great Nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religious, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For that reason alone, people of other faiths have been afforded freedom of worship here.” Patrick Henry 1776
I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus. I have little doubt that our whole country will soon be rallied to the unity of our Creator and, I hope, to the pure doctrine of Jesus also.” Thomas Jefferson
"The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.” The US Congress 1782
“Oh, eternal and everlasting God, direct my thoughts, words and work. Wash away my sins in the immaculate blood of the Lamb and purge my heart by thy Holy Spirit. Daily, frame me more and more in the likeness of thy son, Jesus Christ, that living in thy fear, and dying in thy favor, I may in thy appointed time obtain the resurrection of the justified unto eternal life. Bless, O Lord, the whole race of mankind and let the world be filled with the knowledge of thee and thy son, Jesus Christ.” George Washington
“We have staked the whole future of our new nation, not upon the power of government; far from it. We have staked the future of all our political constitutions upon the capacity of each of ourselves to govern ourselves according to the moral principles of the Ten Commandments.” – James Madison
"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian Nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." John Jay the first Supreme Court Justice
"I think vital religion has always suffered when orthodoxy is more regarded than virtue. The scriptures assure me that at the last day we shall not be examined on what we thought but what we did." — Benjamin Franklin, letter to his father, 1738
"In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot … they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose." — Thomas Jefferson
"The United States of America were no longer Colonies. They were an independent nation of Christians." – John Qunicy Adams
And this is but a small sample of what our founding fathers wrote for the historical record.
Nick, your lack of knowledge is astounding: “It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great Nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religious, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For that reason alone, people of other faiths have been afforded freedom of worship here.” Patrick Henry 1776
I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus. I have little doubt that our whole country will soon be rallied to the unity of our Creator and, I hope, to the pure doctrine of Jesus also.” Thomas Jefferson
"The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.” The US Congress 1782
“Oh, eternal and everlasting God, direct my thoughts, words and work. Wash away my sins in the immaculate blood of the Lamb and purge my heart by thy Holy Spirit. Daily, frame me more and more in the likeness of thy son, Jesus Christ, that living in thy fear, and dying in thy favor, I may in thy appointed time obtain the resurrection of the justified unto eternal life. Bless, O Lord, the whole race of mankind and let the world be filled with the knowledge of thee and thy son, Jesus Christ.” George Washington
“We have staked the whole future of our new nation, not upon the power of government; far from it. We have staked the future of all our political constitutions upon the capacity of each of ourselves to govern ourselves according to the moral principles of the Ten Commandments.” – James Madison
"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian Nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." John Jay the first Supreme Court Justice
"I think vital religion has always suffered when orthodoxy is more regarded than virtue. The scriptures assure me that at the last day we shall not be examined on what we thought but what we did." — Benjamin Franklin, letter to his father, 1738
"In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot … they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose." — Thomas Jefferson
"The United States of America were no longer Colonies. They were an independent nation of Christians." – John Qunicy Adams
And this is but a small sample of what our founding fathers wrote for the historical record.
Without the acceptance of the individual citizens' Soul there is no basis for such a claim.
No nation before or since has made such a claim. Why defend religious liberty before almost everything else if not for our government's acceptance of our Soul?
Without the acceptance of the individual citizens' Soul there is no basis for such a claim.
No nation before or since has made such a claim. Why defend religious liberty before almost everything else if not for our government's acceptance of our Soul?
Mike I can also pull out a bunch of quotes that prove we are not a christian nation. The founders had the option to explicitly state in our constitution that this was a christian nation, but instead chose to make our government secular and to install a wall of separation between church and state.
Why can't you fundamentalist dominionist loonies just practice your own religion and stop worrying about everyone else?
Hey Mike, Patrick Henry never said that. Keep on being ignorant.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/capital.asp
Fairly certain I can debunk all of those quotes as being fiction. But keep on reading your chain e-mails.
Nick Wright so why not just divide up the country into areas where like minded people can live in peace. the us is really at leat two countries; probably four or five. take your part.
Nick Wright Lets see those quotes then and put then into context. Plp like you and youe ilk love to take quotes ouyt of context. And The wall of seperation is no where found in the constitution, its in a letter from jefferson in responce to a church fears about the federal goverment inforcing a secifict asspect of chridstianity on the country, like they did ibn the old world. Jefferson blevies keeping God in goverment but not letting goverment rule religion or spesific religions sects ruling the goverment.
Josh Garrett Go and debunk them then. Put up or shut up. And site your origanial sourses not ones that were made 50-100yr haver the deaths of said person.
Nick Wright All but i thinks 3 of the signers of the deceration where professed christions a good portion of them were either preachers in a church or highly involved with their churches. And Jefferson was not one of the 3 he was a Christian man no matter how its trying twist it that is an absolute fact being distorted by plp who dont want God in this country.
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Nick Wright That's a beautiful daughter YHWH has blessed you with. Give thanks.
Nick, you might ask yourself, "what is the Bible is true?????" I dare you to read it.
Hey Nick! I dare you to find "Separation of Church and State" anywhere is the Constitution.
Nick – pretty close though. 76 percent of the people believe in one of the Christian denominations or are individual believers. 12 percent believe in another religion (Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Native American religions, etc.). 8 percent are agnostic and 4 percent are hardcore atheists. I would say that 88 percent means that no matter what you believe, you are going to encounter several people who do believe in a God, every day of the week.
Nick – pretty close though. 76 percent of the people believe in one of the Christian denominations or are individual believers. 12 percent believe in another religion (Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Native American religions, etc.). 8 percent are agnostic and 4 percent are hardcore atheists. I would say that 88 percent means that no matter what you believe, you are going to encounter several people who do believe in a God, every day of the week.
To say the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion is akin to saying the people of the United States are no longer self-governing. If that's what you're saying, maybe you have a point.
Nick Wright that last line you wrote shows you do not know the first thing, and I mean not even the FIRST THING about the founding fathers. You're certainly entitled to believe in the "Flying Spaghetti Monster" (by the way, if that's the product of your "thinking cap", I'd get a new cap), but you're dead wrong about what principles our founders based this government on.
I guess that's fine provided another student has the right to sing the praises of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. For we were all made in His Noodly Image. RAmen.
guess what Nick….they do….now crawl back in your anger filled hole and shut up.
my anger filled hole has got to be a better place than your skank ass. and for the record, i'm quite content.
Aubrea Carriger , that's pretty funny since it seems like every single one of your comments is filled with hatred, intolerance and anger….
I don't recall Jesus teaching such things….
Howie,
Are you all of a sudden and authority on Jesus now? Given from your posts on other topics you have a lot to learn.
Howie,
Are you all of a sudden and authority on Jesus now? Given from your posts on other topics you have a lot to learn.
Little Nicky Wrong
Your free to believe that if it keeps your sanity intact. Now plug up that skank hole on your face.
Little Nicky Wrong
Your free to believe that if it keeps your sanity intact. Now plug up that skank hole on your face.
Howard Aubrey This hateful, dismissive and insulting attitude is typical of anti-religious bigots. The only views of which they are tolerant are ones that agree with their own. No one knows the origin of life. Not one person has ever been able to even coome close to proving that life can spontaneously occur from inanimate elements, yet the anti-religious bigot knows FOR SURE that there is no creator. Atheists love non-sequiturs.
Darin, I'm not atheist, I'm agnostic. Its impossible to know for certain whether there is or is not a god. I don't believe there is one, but I am open to have my mind changed and until that time, I remain skeptical and I will be militant in my opposition to those who wish to force their religious beliefs into our secular government and laws.
Joel Rivera aren't you late for your klan meeting?
Nick Wright Ok, Nick. As far as I'm concerned, that is a very reasonable attitude and I respect your position of agnosticism. Many of the world's most brilliant minds are agnostic. Why? Because the existence of God can neither be proven nor dis-proven. Frankly, I struggle with belief myself. I'm against the abusive attitudes that are sometimes displayed by believers and non-believers alike. I would rather live in a country where people are free to engage in their beliefs in a mutually respectful manner and it sounds like you would prefer that too, despite your comments above.
By the way Nick, if you deny the existence of God, which you appear to have done above, you are not an agnostic, you are an atheist. Agnostics do not categorically dismiss the existence of God, they express the inability to know one way or the other.
By the way Nick, if you deny the existence of God, which you appear to have done above, you are not an agnostic, you are an atheist. Agnostics do not categorically dismiss the existence of God, they express the inability to know one way or the other.
By the way Nick, if you deny the existence of God, which you appear to have done above, you are not an agnostic, you are an atheist. Agnostics do not categorically dismiss the existence of God, they express the inability to know one way or the other.
By the way Nick, if you deny the existence of God, which you appear to have done above, you are not an agnostic, you are an atheist. Agnostics do not categorically dismiss the existence of God, they express the inability to know one way or the other.
Darin, well I classify myself as agnostic. Existence of a diety can't be proven or disproven. If a gun was held to my head forcing me to pick, I'd say there isn't. So agnostic-atheist if you prefer. But there's no absolutes here.
Darin, well I classify myself as agnostic. Existence of a diety can't be proven or disproven. If a gun was held to my head forcing me to pick, I'd say there isn't. So agnostic-atheist if you prefer. But there's no absolutes here.
Darin, well I classify myself as agnostic. Existence of a diety can't be proven or disproven. If a gun was held to my head forcing me to pick, I'd say there isn't. So agnostic-atheist if you prefer. But there's no absolutes here.
Darin, well I classify myself as agnostic. Existence of a diety can't be proven or disproven. If a gun was held to my head forcing me to pick, I'd say there isn't. So agnostic-atheist if you prefer. But there's no absolutes here.
I think its fair to say Darin the burden of proof lies more with the believer than the non-believer. To claim the existence of something requires some proof, for me at least. I don't say without a shadow of doubt there is no god, but there is no evidence of god. So on a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being absolute athiest and 10 being devout believer I'm probably a 3.
I think its fair to say Darin the burden of proof lies more with the believer than the non-believer. To claim the existence of something requires some proof, for me at least. I don't say without a shadow of doubt there is no god, but there is no evidence of god. So on a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being absolute athiest and 10 being devout believer I'm probably a 3.
I think its fair to say Darin the burden of proof lies more with the believer than the non-believer. To claim the existence of something requires some proof, for me at least. I don't say without a shadow of doubt there is no god, but there is no evidence of god. So on a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being absolute athiest and 10 being devout believer I'm probably a 3.
I think its fair to say Darin the burden of proof lies more with the believer than the non-believer. To claim the existence of something requires some proof, for me at least. I don't say without a shadow of doubt there is no god, but there is no evidence of god. So on a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being absolute athiest and 10 being devout believer I'm probably a 3.
What makes him wrong and you right? Whay makes you think that you are the finnal authority on a persons relgion? And the Flying Spaghetti Monster thing is a bunch a bull the atheist created to make fun of the belives and shows your intolerance.
Nick, was there a student who asked to sing the song you mentioned? I didn't read that in the article.
Jason S Lewis, its not about right and wrong. Its about freedom of religion. If this kid is allowed to sing a song about jesus, then another student should be allowed to sing a song about jesus being gay, or praising the flying spaghetti monster. religious freedom works both ways.
Nick Wright Go head let another student sing a relidous song! I have no issues with that as long as it has nothing to do with killing other plp. And that gay comment about Jesus was just wrong and I know yiou did it out of spite. And i know of no religion that belives in a flying spaghetti monster, as I said befor that was created to mock the religous.
well them you dont know what or how he taught then because jesus was indeed at times full of hatred twords certain things & didnt have fluffy remarks twords them,& he was very intolerance esp when it came to what he taught & what was passed off as the statas quo and he had angry remarks when warrented & was even at times angry with some individuals. jusus wasnt a moron or a pushover or a person who suffered fools lightly
Jason S Lewis, the gay jesus remark wasn't out of spite, it was an honest question. And yes there is a religion that follows the Flying Spaghetti Monster, its called Pastafarianism. You may think it mocks the religious, but the FSM is just as plausible as any other religion. The same amount of proof exists for both. None.
Nick Wright the Flying Spaghetti Monster,Pastafarianism, is a parody religion use to mock belivers. And they wahy you commented on the 'gay jesus' you made it out as a statement than a question.
And I told you all the banning of books just because of religious content in Idaho public schools would not stop. Idaho school tries to band religious song….oh and BTW guess who use to be on the school board where this is happening….the former chairman of the Idaho Public Charter School Commission who was so much against Nampa Classical Academy's use of religious text!
I don't even know what the lyrics are to the song but just because it's a Christian artist who sings it doesn't make it religious. If you can allow Britney Spears – c'mon. I don't think religion belongs in PUBLIC schools but it's a talent show. As long as it's not "If you don't believe in Jesus you're going to hell" type lyrics what's the big deal?
Atheism is a religion, a belief system which believes in no deity. Any belief system is a religion. You cannot remove a religion from the government or schools. This is why when schools and government say remove Christianity from schools and government, they are really saying that they want to promote the states' sponsored religion of Atheism.
How insane are we willing to let things get? We are truly in the end times. The bible speaks of this..and it will get worse I'm afraid. The more our liberal brainwashed, tree hugging kids graduate from liberal teaching colleges, the worse it will get. God help us all.
most colleges force students to take world religion with their classes.tell me what that has to do with many of our jobs,nothing, it is their way of forcing their beliefs donw our kids throats. this way they may reach a few.they don,t believe God made this world but they believe it blasted here.right.
Yeah, that whole 'education' thing is sure bringing us down!
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100224132655.htm
http://rt.com/usa/news/conservative-ideologies-science-group-477/
well, when the majority of my liberal school educated friends get to a more mature age, why is it that they are realizing that they are in fact conservative, more than they thought? It's always cool to rebel against things when your young, but when you have kids, you start to think of the future. And our kids are not getting a fair shake..we are screwing them.
Howard Aubrey..lmao…. hey as long as you feel good..that's all that counts. I guess senator Coburn is a true idiot too.. get a grip. you are why our country is in the pits. Only your opinion counts..and anyone with a different one is somehow wrong. Nice liberals. You guys are funny.
Yes it is the end times. We are all doomed! Run for your lives! Women and children first!
Heaven – if there is one – forbid that we learn about our own or other cultures. The religions of the world play a huge part in shaping the world and what happens in it. Not studying religion would be like not studying the circulatory system in an human anatomy class.
Heaven – if there is one – forbid that we learn about our own or other cultures. The religions of the world play a huge part in shaping the world and what happens in it. Not studying religion would be like not studying the circulatory system in an human anatomy class.
Heaven – if there is one – forbid that we learn about our own or other cultures. The religions of the world play a huge part in shaping the world and what happens in it. Not studying religion would be like not studying the circulatory system in an human anatomy class.
Heaven – if there is one – forbid that we learn about our own or other cultures. The religions of the world play a huge part in shaping the world and what happens in it. Not studying religion would be like not studying the circulatory system in an human anatomy class.
Karen Chesnut, That's not true!
Karen Chesnut, That's not true!
Karen Chesnut, That's not true!
Karen Chesnut, That's not true!
most college force students to take world religion?? youre an idiot. i am familiar with the california uc and csu and community college graduation requirements and none of them force people to take any classes except world history and american history. other than that, students are free to choose whatever classes they want. did you even go to college? perhaps you can cite the source of your dubious claim.
Trade schools tend to provide work-related educations. Colleges tend to provide "enlightenment" via socialism, alcohol abuse, drugs and sex – all under the banner, of course, of so-called "higher learning". Higher indeed.
Politicians Allsuck Proper parenting teaches people selflessness – i.e. to consider their children before considering themselves. This, however, conditions children to be selfish – i.e. to expect being considered first.
I guess if she had been muslin, gay, illegal, or a minority she could have sang what she wanted.
Congratulations to little Joy. I'm glad they decided to let her do her song. There is nothing more precious, more pure, or more of a joy to the Father than the praise of a child.
Congratulations to little Joy. I'm glad they decided to let her do her song. There is nothing more precious, more pure, or more of a joy to the Father than the praise of a child.
Some people are quick to dismiss people who believe in God as fools and morons. In my opinion, this is a bigoted attitude. Does anyone really believe that we can identify fools and morons solely on the basis of whether they believe in God? There are theist fools and morons and their are atheist fools and morons. Many atheists are quick to slander people who believe in God yet they themselves simply follow another form of "religion". They make up their own rules to live by and haughtily declare it superior to any religion. What they fail to recognize is that every single society that has banned and/or severely restricted people from practicing their religious beliefs, has been a defacto dictatorship. I would be careful before I dismissed people who believe in God as weak-minded and fools. One day you may get your wish and find yourself in a society where other people with more power than you can simply dismiss what you believe in. If this happens, you may come to learn what it means to be a victim of bigotry.
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Remember, this is all under Obama's watch. All the more reason for vouchers and private schools.
Thank the Lord all freedom is not taken away. Everyone has rights and they need to be protect or we lose our freedom. Hang on the to the truth it will set us free, Jesus is still the answer to all our woes!
It was a talent show. It was the kid's own song. The school had no legal right to shut the kid down.
you cannot convert overnight so they do it one step at a time and people don't recogonize it…i do, I studied a lot of history of russia and dictator run countries and it is falling right into place slowly but you cannot tell anyone that is what is happening even though you show them in black and white! they don't want to believe until it is too late and that is fast approaching with this administration and wait till the next one if it is not changed…reboot the system, keep the operating system but change a lot of things, get rid of malware and virusus!
One more thing they didn't say; Chris Tomlin's songs are not "sacred" but are more "secular" in nature, they lack the sound doctrine and theology of a serious sacred song that church music should feature. With Sony/ATV's recent acquisition of EMI Publishing, the song is now property of the Michael Jackson Library. The Jackson Library controls much of church music, and many school choruses sing from the Jackson Library (which consists of many different artists through the acquisitions made over the years by Sony and the Jackson Trust), so they had fair right to say, "If you don't allow this song from us to be used, we won't allow you to sing anything from our library." Still, liberals will not permit serious sacred works to be sung because they are overt, unlike the banal theology of "modern worship" that lacks sacredness and is pure secular in nature.
Hou-Yin you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about praise and worship music! Chris Tomlin praises and glorifies God with EVERY song he sings and is not secular! 'Church music' as you put it is anything that sings of God and His Saving Grace by the sacrifice of The Lord Jesus Christ! The Word says 'make a joyful noise unto the Lord, with LOUD instruments and singing'. Anything we do to praise God is wonderful!
Hou-Yin you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about praise and worship music! Chris Tomlin praises and glorifies God with EVERY song he sings and is not secular! 'Church music' as you put it is anything that sings of God and His Saving Grace by the sacrifice of The Lord Jesus Christ! The Word says 'make a joyful noise unto the Lord, with LOUD instruments and singing'. Anything we do to praise God is wonderful!