Dec 21, 2011
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An evangelical Christian church has been told by New York City officials that it can no longer rent a community room in a federally funded housing project named after Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor.
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An attorney representing the Bronx Bible Church said the congregation was notified that Christmas Day will be the last day they can worship at the housing project.
“It does present a very ugly picture of the state of religious liberties in New York City,” said Jordan Lorence, senior counsel with the Alliance Defense Fund. “It’s the height of irony that the housing authority would violate the First Amendment at a place named after a Supreme Court justice.”
Lorence said the New York City Housing Authority based their decision on a recent court case that said New York City has a constitutional right to bar churches from renting schools during non-school hours for worship services.
The Supreme Court declined to review the case – meaning dozens of Christian churches will be forced to find other places to hold their services.
“What’s next – Central Park?” Lorence asked. “Religious groups can’t meet there? Where is this all going to stop?”
A spokesperson for the NYC Housing Authority declined to comment but did offer the following statement:
“The terms of this lease have expired and the New York City Housing Authority is reviewing the renewal of all of its leases,” the spokesman said.
However, Lorence told Fox News & Commentary there is no expiration date on the lease and when the pastor of Bronx Bible Church was contacted by the NYC Housing Authority there was no mention of the end of the year expiration of the lease.
“This is an arbitrary and unconstitutional decision,” he told Fox News & Commentary. “Even if they adopt an anti-worship service policy, they haven’t done so yet. So there’s no reason why they should be kicking out a church – especially during the holidays.”
Lorence said the decision to evict the church sends a dangerous message to the city’s Christian community.
“They’re suggesting that religion is something dangerous, that people shouldn’t be exposed to and that is an extreme and wrong understanding of the Establishment Clause,” Lorence said. “Religious expression is being driven away, prohibited in public buildings that are open to all other community groups to meet.”
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The ground of liberty is to be gained by inches, and we must be contented to secure what we can get from time to time and eternally press forward for what is yet to get. It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good. – Thomas Jefferson.
BORING… You're droning now, not a single reply to any of your posts. Nobody cares!
I shall exert every faculty I possess in aiding to prevent the Constitution from being nullified, destroyed, or impaired; and even though I should see it fail, I will still, with a voice feeble, perhaps, but earnest as ever issued from human lips, and with extinguish, call on the people to come to its rescue. – Daniel Webster.
You want the Ten Commandments? GO TO FVCKING CHURCH!
Jay Z. Krist -other than being rude and obnoxious,do you have anything intelligent to say.As usual people with small minds resort to profanity and child like behavior. You be good and go play with your blocks and stop interrupting the adults.
Terry Nugent ,you are so right. This is just evidence
Ronald Reagan was not afraid to Profess his christianity. What is worse than ungodly leaders, are phony leaders that claim to be conservative, christian, etc,, and then buckle under the pressure. That is what I refer to as spineless jellyfish.
Another, no reply… sad, so sad.
so, how can this discrimination against the christians in NYC be stopped if the supreme court does not care? What can they do? This is clearly discrimination.
You post a lot of these asinine comments and no one seems to respond, Donna… You're all alone on this one… just like in your sad little life…
To all those who still believe in traditional values and want to remake America into the great country it once was, Donna Stover and I invite you to friend us on facebook. I'm tired of having the same arguments with liberals and atheist. If you want your country back then band together and let's make our voices heard. Take a hint from the ACLU and use your freedom of speech before they take that from you as well.
YES, I fully endorse Terry's statement. Soldiers of Christ Arise!
"I'm tired of having the same arguments with liberals and atheist." Because you lose.
BTW Terry …I asked you to tell me all the laws based exclusively on the Christian Faith (we'll toss in Jewish for good measure). Please provide the US law and the Biblical law so we can compare and contrast. This is should be easy.
Paul Wegener – I've never said all laws are based on christain laws.{1} you're not only ill informed on how your country was settled, you apparently have trouble reading,perhaps it's those liberal blinders you wear{2} the fact that you've relied on a liberal education system for knowledge is nither my fault,nor my problem[3] it's not my job to educate you
OK Terry I'll take ANY US laws based on Christian laws. I can only assume you have no knowledge of American history. I know it's pointless to argue with you. You use the same lines repeatedly with no facts to validate your arguments. If you have facts post them. Put up or shut up
BTW Terry YOU need to learn how to read!! I said “I asked you to tell me all the laws based exclusively on the Christian Faith” That is for YOU to tell me ALL of the laws based on Christianity NOT that ALL of the law ARE based on Christianity. YOU apparently have trouble READING. Perhaps it's those Republicant blinders you wear or the fact that you've relied on a Bronze Age religion for your education. Real tired of schooling your particular type of fanatic
Paul Wegener -Seriously? Do you know what the church was like in the bronze age? Once again sir, i did not comment on laws based on religion.I said the U.S. was founded by christains,the people who founded America came from Europe where the church ruled with an iron fist.They were christains looking for freedom,what religion do you suppose they practiced?Instead of resorting to the constitution as your only source,study other documents and letters.The constitution has been twisted and manipulated so many times by the supreme court that people no longer understand the original meaning. I assume you're an adult and as such if you were serious about facts you would find them.There are 3 causes of ignorance,mental impairment,lack of instruction and laziness.I will leave it to you to decide which you choose to blame.
Tery – You missed one. Ignorance can also be based on will. You're willfully ignorance. You even lie about your own post " i can't understand people who say America was not founded ON the Christain faith." Not BY Christians but ON THAT FAITH. Yet you refuse to answer a simple question or backup any of your claims. You are the ignorant one. I’m through schooling you. Enjoy your delusion.
18(For many walk, of whom I(Paul) have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
Phillipians 3
YEAH!!! Get rid of them ALL!
Many more have responded..Praise The Lord
Many more have responded..Praise The Lord
It can not be emphasized too often or too strongly that this great nation was founded not by religionist, but by christains.Not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason people of other faiths have been afforded assylum, prosperity and the freedom to worship here. Patrick Henry
8Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. Phillipians 4
Here is a post from a christian hater..Unfortunately this has been the most intelligent arguement I've seen. At least he doesn't try to hide his hate. When he read how christians were banned from community buildings in NYC…he posted" YEAH! Get rid of them all" I will save this post for future observation. Todd, make sure that post get media attention.
Did you know that…In July off 2001 Peter B. Lewis, chairman of The Progressive Corporation and a long time member and donor to the ACLU, donated a record gift of $7 Million dollars to the ACLU endowment fund.
Did you know that in 2001, the ACLU filed a lawsuit , forcing a judge in Alabama to either take his ten commandments display down or be removed from office? He refused and was removed.
Jay Z. Krist · Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
YEAH! Get rid of them ALL! (Who would "them" be? christians?
You post a comment about someone and then block them… so your question was rhetorical?
There are so many bad things goin on in the world right now, murder, suicide, drugs, hunger, unemployment, etc..Why is the ACLU more concerned with a ten commandments display? Or a group of students prayin around a flagpole? Shouldn't these deeds be commended? History shows that students who are involved in such activities are less likely to end up in prison. But, back to my main question., what is the ACLU's agenda all about anyway? Shouldn't they be more concerned with young people who have not been raised in these stable environments? And are confused, angry, and aggressive?
Way to post a comment, and then like it yourself… NO ONE IS LIKING YOUR POSTS!
I liked mine… so there!
Recently the ACLU rejected $1.5 million from both the Ford and Rockefeller Foundations because it viewed a clause in the donation agreement stipulating that "none of the money would go to underwriting terrorism or other unacceptable activities" as a threat to civil liberties. The ACLU also withdrew from a federal charity drive, losing an estimated $500,000, taking a stand against the attached condition that it would "not knowingly hire anyone on terrorism watch lists."
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Your life seems to really suck out loud!
Spare me the speech about tolerance, my country was not built on the islamic faith and I don't believe in mutilating women, training children to kill or murdering in the name of religion.
YEA! Get god out of EVERYWHERE!
Then spare us the speech about INtolerance. Your country was not founded on the Christian faith either. I live close to a mosque, and the people i've met from there are excellent individuals. I also have a large number of Hindu friends who are great people and citizens. So-called Christians in Uganda murder people for their orientation. A so-called Christian murdered a doctor in a CHURCH a couple of years ago in this country. So-called Christians marry off too-young girls to much older men in this country. I am not anti-CHristian by any means, but I believe 1) in separation of church and state and 2) that there are extremists in EVERY religion.
Jeff Scheidel ,,Oh yes it was! Sick of people sayin opposite of truth. WE ARE A CHRISTIAN NATION…communist goals of 1963..17) Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism, and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in text books.( and seperation of church and state was in a letter written to a baptist church. Not in our constitution.. And, American soldiers have died to keep our right to express. And express we will.
Jeff Scheidel,The Battle Hymn of the Republic(v 4 .)In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea, With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me: As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free, While God is marching on. (Chorus) Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! While God is marching on.
Jeff Scheidel,The Battle Hymn of the Republic(v 4 .)In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea, With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me: As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free, While God is marching on. (Chorus) Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! While God is marching on.
Jeff Scheidel..In the United States, the term is an offshoot of the phrase, "wall of separation between church and state," as written in Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802. The original text reads: "… I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State." Jefferson reflected his frequent speaking theme that the government is not to interfere with religion.[7] The phrase was quoted by the United States Supreme Court first in 1878, and then in a series of cases starting in 1947.[8] The phrase "separation of church and state" itself does not appear in the United States Constitution.( With all due respect sir, stopping the expression of a christian is goin against everything our fore fathers intended. And anybody with honesty and integity will admit that and respect it)
Jeff Scheidel..In the United States, the term is an offshoot of the phrase, "wall of separation between church and state," as written in Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802. The original text reads: "… I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State." Jefferson reflected his frequent speaking theme that the government is not to interfere with religion.[7] The phrase was quoted by the United States Supreme Court first in 1878, and then in a series of cases starting in 1947.[8] The phrase "separation of church and state" itself does not appear in the United States Constitution.( With all due respect sir, stopping the expression of a christian is goin against everything our fore fathers intended. And anybody with honesty and integity will admit that and respect it)
"The Battle Hymn of the Republic" is a hymn by American writer Julia Ward Howe using the music from the song "John Brown's Body". Howe's more famous lyrics were written in November 1861 and first published in The Atlantic Monthly in February 1862. The song links the judgment of the wicked at the end of time (Torah/New Testament) with the American Civil War. Since that time it has become an extremely popular and well-known American patriotic song.
4th verse of "The Battle Hymn of The Republic", He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat; He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgment-seat: Oh, be swift, my soul, to answer Him! be jubilant, my feet! Our God is marching on. (Chorus) Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Our God is marching on.
communist goals of 1963..21) Gain control of key positions in radio, TV & motion pictures.
In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.
Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents, solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic; for our better ordering, and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.
In witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth, 1620.[12] THE MAYFLOWER COMPACT OF 1620.
Cities don't' have constitutional rights, citizens have constitutional rights. Federally funded housing project? Where does the federal government get "their funding" from? Maybe it's time the citizens stop funding the federal government, then maybe the state representives wont feel the need to do the bidding of the feds in order to get some of their own citizens money back… just sayin…
"The Supreme Court declined to review the case " well then… I am disincilned to acquiesce to your request!