Jan 31, 2012
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The U.S. Military Academy pressured a retired U.S. lieutenant general to withdraw from speaking at a West Point prayer breakfast after Muslims and atheists complained, Fox News & Commentary has learned.
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Retired Lt. Gen. William Boykin was scheduled to deliver a speech at West Point on Feb. 8. But late Monday, the military academy released a statement saying he had decided to withdraw from speaking and would be replaced with another speaker.
However, a source close to the controversy told Fox News & Commentary that Boykin was pressured to withdraw.
“It was very clear they wanted General Boykin to withdraw,” said the source who asked not to be identified. “He asked them to rescind the invitation, but they were reluctant to do that so he said he would take them off the hook.”
Theresa Brinkerhoff, a spokesperson for West Point, told Fox News & Commentary that the U.S. Military Academy “did not decide this for him.”
“After a conversation with our chaplain, Lt. Gen. Boykin decided to withdraw,” Brinkerhoff wrote in an email.
Boykin, a former senior military intelligence officer, had been criticized for speeches he made at evangelical Christian churches where he said that American’s enemy is Satan, that God had put President Bush in the White House and that a Muslim Somali warlord was an idol-worshipper.
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He later issued a written statement apologizing and said he didn’t mean to insult Islam.
However, Boykin became a target for atheists and Muslim groups. They launched a campaign to force the military to remove the retired lieutenant general from the West Point prayer event.
“Mr. Boykin’s intolerant views do a disservice to our nation’s longstanding traditions of religious freedom and pluralism and could potentially harm our country’s interests and the security of our troops overseas,” Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American Islamic Relations, wrote in a letter to the superintendent of West Point. “By providing a platform associated with West Point, Mr. Boykin’s hate-filled rhetoric would receive a level of credibility and legitimacy it does not deserve.”
Awad called Boykin an Islamophobe.
“It gives Islamophobes a platform at the nation’s most prestigious military academy,” Awad told the Associated Press. “And I doubt that they would invite a KKK speaker and claim that they want to expose the students to a variety of opinions.”
CAIR joined VoteVets.org and the Military Religious Freedom Foundation in protesting Boykin’s speech.
Mikey Weinstein, the president of Military Religious Freedom Foundation heralded the military’s move as a victory and called Boykin a “vile Islamophobe.”
“We are deeply saddened that it took a public outcry of this magnitude to cause Boykin to pull out from this event, likely under pressure from within the Pentagon,” Weinstein said in a press release. “Our outcry must not stop – all individuals within the command structure responsible for inviting this vile Islamophobe must be held accountable via courts martial.”
Boykin told Fox News & Commentary that he was extremely disappointed in what has happened.
“I came under attack because there are liberal groups, Islamic groups and atheist groups that want to shut me down because I have been very open about my concerns about the encroachment of Sharia – or Islamic law,” he said.
Boykin said he planned on delivering a speech about the importance of prayer in a leader’s life.
“It was an ecumenical presentation,” Boykin said. “It had nothing to do with Islam.”
Boykin would not comment on reports that he was pressured to step aside, only to say that he considered the commandant of West Point to be a “good friend of mine – and a very good man.”
Tony Perkins, the president of the Family Research Council, was outraged by the decision.
“This has gone too far,” Perkins told Fox News & Commentary. “This is a troubling trend that we are seeing under this administration.”
Under the Obama Administration both Perkins and Franklin Graham were disinvited from speaking at military prayer services.
“When you talk to military leaders on the base, they don’t like this,” Perkins said. “There seems to be pressure coming from within the administration to sweep Christianity off the face of military bases.”
Boykin said he doesn’t believe the Obama administration has stood with the traditional values of the nation and he said the incident at West Point should serve as a wakeup call to Christians.
“The message is that people of faith and conservative Americans are losing our voice to a very well-organized and very well-funded group of very passionate people – those being the atheists and the Muslims,” Boykin said. “They want to change the nature of our culture – and they are succeeding.”
Perkins pointed to the Obama administration’s policies banning Christian prayers at National Cemetery in Houston and a ban on Bibles at Walter Reed Army Medical Center.
“It’s time Americans realized that while these orders may not have been signed by the president, this environment has been created by him and his policies,” Perkins said.
Boykin accused the Obama administration of not standing with people of faith – “certainly not people of the Christian faith or Jewish faith.”
“If there has been support in this administration for faith it has been more skewed towards the Islamic faith than anything else,” Boykin said.
Perkins said the biggest and most troubling concern is how Boykin has been treated.
“The man they have disinvited is a true American hero who has spilled his own blood on foreign soil for this country,” Perkins said. “He has done so much to defend the ideals and the freedom that American stands for. Yet his own freedoms – that he fought to protect for others – have been taken from him.”
With reporting from the Associated Press
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This country is going down the perverbial drain,,and, it's being pushed down by,,,,,"HIS MAJESTY" ! , !
It is a good idea to go back and read the real story of George Washington and you will find he and most of the founding fathers were very religious, and that our laws were based on christian values. If you do decide to read about our founding fathers you will get the true view of them by reading the literature from before the 1920's when the left started rewriting the history books. No one seems to complain when some left wing nut job wants to speak somewhere but God forbid letting a christian man speak.
If THIS does not prove the Christian faith is the WAY then nothing does. It is persecution from all sides (of darkness).
West Point, the school of disciplined and breeding ground of cowards.
Where is the Religious Freedom when people cannot see a Religious speaker at an Optional Prayer Breakfast. Atheism is a Religion. When will anyone understand that non belief is belief.
A belief system is not a religion i.e.. Taoism vs. Catholicism ..
A Religion is a Belief in or not in something. If I use a Public forum to proclaim their is no God. Then I have a belief and is therefore unconstitutional since I used a public place to do so. Why is ok for Government Officials at School to distribute non religious Dogma. Are they not pushing their beliefs. I personnaly don't believe in separation of church and state in its current practice as that is not what the constitution says. I believe that we as Americans mostly believe in a God. Therefore the forum should be open to all. Their shall be no state church. As it is Atheism is becoming the state Church. We shall make no law respecting the establishment of a Religion.
Muslim's and atheists are going to hell.
So now the muslims and the Atheists have teamed up against American ideologies.
The America I used to know allowed free speach for all regardless of your view or position! If anyone disagreed they could voice that but could not stop the speech! Now the new America under Obama has speech police who try to stop you if they disagree with you? Are we headed for Nazi party rule? Scarey! James Sasse. GodWhoisGod com
This insidious form of political correctness has gone too far. If our political leaders and Military leaders allow it to continue, shame on them and get them out of their positions as they don't deserve them.
Farking Muzzies shouldn't be in the military anyway. Fort Hood, anyone?
What about those who value freedom of religion and freedom of speech. What about those who are native born American who have earned the right to have an opinion that is contrary to what atheists and angry Muslims like. Do the radicals get to tell them what they can say and where they can say it? Atheism is a nontheistic religion with a huge agenda. Secularism is its launching pad. Together they are the new "theocracy" that threaten the fundamental rights of the American people. Both would establish its religion as the national religion. In fact those who want to silence others are a bigger threat than a person who only wants to practice his religion in the public square. Shame on the censors and the political environment in the military that makes Christian leaders persona non grata.
join Act for America. It's always been about money for the elites and this occult of islam must have as a requirement for investment banking sharia law. They can not separate church and state in islam. We , the little people, the middle class are in service to islam. It is called dhimmitude. They want to put it in your face up close and personal. We are the tamed hosts for the parasites to feed from.
Off course the Military withdrew the speaker because the Muslims are unhappy…The Comander in Chief is a P#ssy and a Muslim and he'll bend over for any banana replublic because it's what he does best…Hustle for 5 minutes of fame…..
Again we allow a musSLIME to dictate to us, what WE have to believe in. A PEDOPHILE worshiping "Religion", gets preference over ours..EVICT that ILLEGAL musSLIME pretending to be our President.
@Dennis – You want to talk about pedophiles in a religion? Oh are we forgetting the hundreds of children who were MOLESTED by priests and all the church did was cover it up to save face? Yeah. Okay. Christianity is sooo perfect. No one gets "preference" they just didn't want that retired general to speak because he said horrible things about Muslims. That's all.
Funny when you have Muslim men killing their wives because they have a girl and not a boy or the honor killing in Canada the so called Muslim leaders are dead scilent. Where is the organization C.A.I.R. when this stuff happens. They are all scilent because everyone is afraid to be called a racist. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck its a duck. Where did our guts go? The difference between the Islamic terrorists and the USA is they have the guts to see it through and we don't. Muslim groups only speak up when its convient and if someone doesn't agree with them they are threatened and labeled racists. Irony is amazing.
@Jayson Wright – Okay and go take a look back in history at Christianity. You know when Islam started, Muslim women had more freedom and power than Christian women of the time. Those people you talk about who kill their wives or "honor killings" are not true Muslims. They're extremists. What are you talking about? The US hasn't "seen it through?" Oh so the thousands of troops who have been deployed for the last 10 years means the US hasn't "seen it through?"
Kelly Calder Please read some more history. All Muslims aren't terrorists, but all terrorists these days are Muslim. Listen I"m a former Marine so i've done the whole Afghanistan and Iraq tours. Thats why were pulling out next year, so that goes to the point of seeing it through. We are just like the Russians when they pulled out of Afghanistan with our tail between our legs and if you don't see that to the extremists as a victory, you need to wake up.
Jayson Wright Are you serious? What about that guy in Norway? He was a Christian who was anti-Muslim and performed a terrorist attack against Muslims. Good for you being a former Marine. I've been to Iraq twice. We're not pulling out until 2014 for one and for two we're leaving because why do we need to stay? Our mission was catch bin Laden right? Well we got him. Mission Accomplished I'd say. All terrorists these days are not Muslims. Plus I didn't even say anything about terrorism did I? I simply pointed out to you that Christianity has its own dark history as well but nice deflection.
Kelly Calder All terrorists aren't Muslims, are you high? The nightly news has more of them doing bad stuff than Christians. Good for you for deploying a whole 2 times to Iraq. Wake up and put down the bong.
Jayson Wright Are you serious? "Put down the bong?" Sorry I don't do drugs since I like my rank and job. I deployed twice because I went to college first and then joined the Army. Those were basically back to back deployments, then I went to a unit that didn't deploy so sorry we can't all do 1000 deployments. (Sarcasm yes). No all terrorists aren't Muslim. I just told you one who wasn't – that bomber in Norway last year.
Is that your response? Really? What intelligence discussions exist on this forum…
Kelly Calder Christians do it every now and then while Muslims do it daily, watch the news.
Jayson Wright Oh so it's okay if Christians do it "every once in awhile" then? I read the news daily but thanks for the suggestion. Plus if you believe EVERYTHING you read in the news, you must not be very bright. The MSM lies constantly.
Kelly Calder Good for you for a whole 2 deployments to Iraq.
Jayson Wright Really? That's all you can say? I wasn't looking for praise I just stated a fact. — This is like arguing with a five year old. Reply when you have something intelligent to discuss.
Kelly Calder I don't agree with Christians doing it at all, but they aren't doing it daily. So now your going to personal attacks, I"m bright enough to tell you to act your age and not your shoe size.
Jayson Wright I didn't personally attack you but you can take it that way. Wow good comeback.
Kelly Calder that it was a good comeback. I bet you think C.A.I.R. is a great organizationa as well to. I live in Australia now and We can agree to disagree.
Kelly Calder just typed in terrorist in google and this came up today. NO Christians were mentioned.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/9053681/Terrorists-admit-plot-to-bomb-London-Stock-Exchange-and-US-Embassy.html
Liberals love free speech as long as u agree with their view!
All this back and forth does nothing to solve the problem.Who would have thought thirty years ago that this could even happen in America? For those led by the Truth, the posts here are a wake-up call and an ominous warning of where we are headed as a country. Beware America! The forces out to destroy us are within the gates already. Thank GOD we have patriots like Gen. Boykin warning us. May GOD protect him in the coming struggle and protect us from the enemy within. Keep your powder dry, pilgrims.
I find it interesting that Newt says that Romney "carpet bombed" him in FL. The fact is that Romney DID outspend Newt. The question should be "how?" Fact is Newt does not get much financial support from "The People" like Mitt does. In fact, had it not been for two $5million contributions from two individuals (husband and wife), Newt would have had nothing to spend. Even sadder is that the "Conservative – Outsider" Newt had to go to a not-so-conservative, very insider, multi-billionaire who is worth 100 times what Romney is to get any funding.
Here is the type of financial support Newt gets… $10 million from a Gambling Casino Billionaire and his wife who has become rich off the weakness of mankind to addiction to gambling, alcohol, and prostitution. And he calls Romney and Bain "PREDATORS".
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In 2010, Adelson donated $1 million to Newt Gingrich's PAC, American Solutions for Winning the Future.[19].
Adelson donated $5 million to another Gingrich PAC on January 7, 2012, in an effort to bolster Gingrich's faltering bid for the U.S. presidency.[20] Although $20 million had been rumored for the entire campaign, there has been no documentation of this. By the next day American Solutions for Winning the Future had reserved more than $3.4 million in advertising time in South Carolina, and planned to air portions of a movie critical of Romney's time at Bain Capital, portraying him as being a predatory capitalist.[21].
A June 2008 profile in The New Yorker detailed several controversies involving Adelson. In 2008 Richard Suen, a Hong Kong businessman who had helped Adelson make connections with top Chinese officials in order to obtain the Macao license, took Adelson to court in Las Vegas alleging he had reneged on his agreement to allow Suen to profit from the venture. While Suen won a $43.8 million judgement, Adelson's lawyers have vowed to appeal. Adelson faces another trial by three alleged "middlemen" in the deal who are suing for at least $450 million.
During the Suen trial Bill Weidner, the president of Adelson's Las Vegas Sands company, testified about a telephone conversation between Adelson and his friend then-House Majority Leader Tom DeLay(R) about a bill proposed by Representative Tom Lantos(D) that would have prevented the US Olympic Committee from voting in favor of the Chinese bid to host the 2008 Summer Olympics. A few hours later DeLay called back and told Adelson he could tell the mayor of Beijing "this bill will never see the light of day." The resolution did not pass. Adelson testified in court that the demise of the resolution "…resulted from the press of other legislation, (not from) a deliberate move by DeLay to help his benefactor.[5].
A quote from Newts Billionaire buddy:
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If West Point and follow… next! Armed Forces.
Don't tell us.. are we so timid and afraid?
Our Country's screwed up.
Better another effective action formed using word from a verb!
Charles H. Garrido/ Miami Fla.
“It gives Islamophobes a platform at the nation’s most prestigious military academy,” Awad told the Associated Press. “And I doubt that they would invite a KKK speaker and claim that they want to expose the students to a variety of opinions.”.
"CAIR joined VoteVets.org and the Military Religious Freedom Foundation in protesting Boykin’s speech."
"Mikey Weinstein, the president of Military Religious Freedom Foundation heralded the military’s move as a victory and called Boykin a “vile Islamophobe.”.
If CAIR is involved you can bet it's nonsense.
Read "The Harbinger" it tells where America is headed.
This bowing to Christian persecution is only getting started…this Country is going down.
What a bunch of whiners. The man was a 3-star General. Unlike them, he's EARNED his place in life. He fought for his right to be there, as well as theirs.
Last I checked, the only people that tell a 3-star what to do are a 4 star, JCS, the SecDef and the Prez.
@Derrique – Everyone who has served is not a god okay. Believe me I've seen plenty of disgusting people wear the uniform. Also @Christopher Alteri – He's RETIRED. So yeah West Point can tell him no. He's not in the military anymore. Did any of you read the article?
Kelly Calder – Yes, we did. He isn't there to impose his views on anyone else. It's a prayer breakfast, and we've always had those. It's not designed for one target audience or faith. Take chaplains, for instance. They are a predominate faith or religion, but they cater to all. I don't think it's fair, because people that aren't even going to this breakfast are trying to discriminate against a faith that's not their own. Yes, we're not 'gods'. I've been in for 13 years. You're preaching to the choir. We're only human. However, we're also ADULTS, and we also need to act, accordingly. It doesn't need to be said, but the new kids coming in nowadays (not all, but most) are of a much different "me, me, me" generation. They whine all the time, they question everything, they think they know it all, and most importantly, they have no respect for anyone, but themselves. That's no good for a military force structure, and that's why you're seeing more and more of this type of stuff. If they don't want to go, they don't have to. It's always been that way. Nobody FORCES you to go to these types of things, because that blurs the lines of 'Separation of Church and State'. Also, because of scenarios like this, it's optional, due to the military not wanting to step on anyone's freedom of religion. Heck, if you can now put "Jedi" as your faith on your military dog tags, that fact should be pretty evident. If this was a mandatory function for all (according to law and unity morale, it can't be), then it would be an entirely different situation. Life isn't a blog. I would recommend learning more about your own military before criticizing someone who hasn't done anything wrong. =)
Derrique Stuckey Yeah he was actually by saying the things he's said in the past sot they were avoiding a situation. Oh you must be fucking kidding me though. I may not be forced to go to a prayer breakfast but I have been forced to sit through prayers at change of command ceremonies and in one of my NCO schools they actually told us during the invocation or whatever we HAD to bow our heads and we started to protest and the SGLs were like "No we don't care you have to bow your head for uniformity." So there are times in the military where yes we who are not Christians are forced to sit through Christian type of activities. Yeah they try to make them more generic and me who has no religion I just stand there silent and respect OTHER people's right to have that belief but I don't feel comfortable standing there. But no I don't raise a stink about it. — The point is that they didn't want that specific retired general to give a speech because of the things he has said about Muslims. I mean yeah it's a prayer breakfast so anyone of any faith could be in attendance so what happens when he starts spouting off about how Muslims are evil and there are Muslims cadets there? So what if you can put "Jedi" as a religion – it's no more a ridiculous concept than believing in what Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc believe in is it? I know enough about the Army to be able to speak about it and enough about the military. I will criticize the man because 1. he's RETIRED and 2. in the article it quotes the horrible things he said about Muslims so I will criticize THAT. Life isn't a blog? What does that even mean?
No, you DON'T have to bow your head and pray. I've gone through several of those where I didn't, myself. It's designed for all members to speak to their own 'god', or if you don't have any kind of higher power (which we ALL do, in one form or another…even atheists and agnostics), it allows those members a few moments of silence to reflect on their own hearts and minds. Whether or not you're even religious, it's a healthy thing to do. That's why it became tradition. The General has his views, but he's not going to impose them on anyone, because he's not allowed to. ESPECIALLY in a military-type forum. You're speculating about all kinds of "what ifs" that aren't going to happen. What if he says this? What if he says that? The man hasn't even spoken, and you act like the sky is falling. So much for not making a stink, huh? When I mentioned that life wasn't a blog, that's just what I meant. If you would dedicate the time you spend on the computer to your own military career, you would be able to answer a lot of your own questions. Yes, there ARE a lot of disgusting people who wear the uniform. To me, those who are tolerant of their own belief system, but are intolerant to those of others, like those who are making a stink, are the most repulsive. They scream for equality on one side of the coin, but not on the other. NOW who's being unreasonable? Lol.
Derrique Stuckey At normal change of command or casing ceremonies no we didn't but I shit you not in that school at graduation we started to protest and the instructors were like "No just bow your head. We don't care if you pray or not but you will." He HAS said those things in past speeches so why wouldn't WP want to avoid that? I would if I were the PR person. It's not speculating when he's done it. I'm not "acting like the sky is falling" I'm just actually looking at ALL points of the situation and not putting inflammatory crap like Todd Starnes does EVERY time he writes something. The ones acting like "the sky is falling" are the Christians (or so-called Christians) on here commenting that it's the end of the world, they're attacked, their rights are stripped, etc, etc. Um okay I do spend time on my military career which is why I managed to get promoted as quickly as I did in a short time. I'm on leave right now so that's why I'm on the computer. If you think about it life can be kind of like a blog and a lot of military people actually do WRITE blogs about their experiences. I don't have any questions about the military honestly. I don't know where you got that. The only ones making the biggest stink about it are the Christians on here and Todd Starnes. He ALWAYS posts this biased, inflammatory articles and from HIS point of view and no one gets the whole story. I'm not unreasonable if you're referring to me. I don't care what someone believes or doesn't believe but don't force it. I at least have read the religious texts of different beliefs and understand them. I don't agree with them but I respect those who believe it. I don't respect the type of people on here who attack someone who doesn't agree with them (if you don't like it get the fuck out -I've seen that). That's not what America is.
Don't get me wrong, Kelly. I agree with where you're coming from, because I can understand it, to a certain extent. You're certainly not wrong for thinking that way, and it's certainly your right to do so. I try to take a pretty neutral stance nowadays, especially when it comes to what people choose to hold dear to themselves. Everybody is unique, and I think that's wonderful. I would envision a very different, boring world, should we all have chosen the same paths in life. What they required you to do at your school wasn't right. I would have immediately reported that up the chain. However, I wouldn't use that to generalize all the other functions. It's actually a very nice experience (for all), and participation is solely left up to the member. Retired Generals will speak their mind on political news feeds, because they aren't bound to any restrictions. However, when they speak in front of military members, you will never hear those same words. They have to be very careful, because if even a few members become irritated or disheartened over them, composite morale has just been compromised. Generals, especially, know better than to do that. It does sound like you have a lot of beef with the author of this article, which does sound a bit one-sided, I'll give you that. It was my sole intention to set the playing field straight for those who felt they were getting the short end of the stick. To include what you had to endure once, the military has ZERO TOLERANCE for religious imposition. I certainly respect that you respect others' beliefs, as do I, and it's always encouraging to see something from another perspective. I totally agree that a lot of these comments are quite ridiculous, but please don't base your perspective on those, alone. Ultimately, in this situation, nobody is required to go to this function that feels obligated not to. I don't feel anybody's religious rights are being trampled, as much as those select few who have a personal vendetta against the (retired) General's worldly views. Let that be the real issue, not his faith. Thanks for the chance to chat with you, today, Kelly. If I had to give a final though: Let those who want to go to this breakfast, go. That number far exceeds the number who doesn't. Instead of letting a few ruin this experience for many, due to a lack of personal (not religious) endorsement, let all who want to participate, do so. Where is the fairness for the people who WANT to be there, you know? We definitely can't have it both ways, and we don't get to solve things with a majority vote. When a few suffer, as a result, all suffer. It happens sometimes, I understand why it happens, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it or like it. It just seems easier for a few folks to swallow some pride (when they won't even be there), than it is for the majority to give up what they hold dear. Enjoy your leave, and here's to a safe return!
Derrique Stuckey I don't know where my other comment went but anyway.
Yes I do have issues with the way Todd Starnes writes these articles. He always uses the most inflammatory headlines, he NEVER follows up a story and he is just trying to incite anger and hatred – in my opinion.
I know no one is required to go but all I said was why don't they just have chaplains speak at a prayer breakfast and then this guy could have spoken at a graduation as a retired general and nothing more. I'm not quite sure who is "suffering" by this general not speaking. I never even heard of him before this article.
So you pathetic Moozlims and atheists don't like it? Offended? Well you rotting carcasses offend me. So get the H out of my country you foul, disgusting SWINE!
@Joe Jakab – What's a "Moozlim?" I want horrible, ignorant people like YOU to leave the US. You're the ones who make us look stupid to the rest of the world. What makes you think they are "disgusting?" Ridiculous.
Hum…Atheists and Muslims attend PRAYER BREAKFAST? Why? They don't believe in GOD…so…what in the world are they meddling in our Military Business? This is definitely going too far…Just another ploy to take everything Christian in this country…They must go…Obama FIRST then the Muslims…then the Atheists…the most dangerous first of course…How long will this Fool…this Mystery man…continues to destroy everything that is beautiful and precious…How long are we going to let Ozero run our lives?
@Fernande – Um Muslims do believe in God. They don't believe in a Holy Trinity and Jesus as God's son but they do believe that Jesus was a prophet. Have you ever read the Quran? And they didn't want that retired general speaking BECAUSE OF THE HORRIBLE THINGS HE SAID about Islam. That's all. Oh and the military isn't "Christian" either.
This is exactly what's wrong with this damn country now, we bow down to every different religeon, group, sissy, and country and kiss their butts! When we should be telling these people to shut the hell up if you don't like it hit the road, if you are another country if you don't like it then do something about it and get your butt kicked! I am a christian and I love my country but it pisses me off to no end when we let this type of crap continue to keep happening. I detest atheist , islam , and every other fruit cake in this world that is always wanting to start some kind of crap, not only over here but anywhere else in the world. I believe the only way we will ever get rid of islam is to kill every damn one of the people that practice it. I apologize for my language.
@Mark Allen – So we should bow down to only Christianity? That's what your post seems to say. If it's not Christianity it's nothing? You know when people like you say "If you don't like Christianity get the fuck out" that's the complete opposite of what the Founders started this country for. I detest ignorant bigots like you. How do you figure that an atheist, Muslim or anyone not Christian is a "fruit cake?" Wow – I hope you're not claiming to be Christian because by you saying "I think we should kill every single person who practices Islam" is totally opposite from the teachings of Christ. People like YOU are the people who make MY job harder when I'm deployed with your ignorance.
#1. This country was founded on Judeo-Christian values and principles. This is obvious another attempt of progressives "dismantling" of America. Shame on us for letting them do it!
Wrong again.
Wrong again.
@Ammon; Theyre NOT Americans Mr. Dowis, Americans DO NOT attack our own or what they stand for. These people who do not like America, never have and are trying to change us from within. They are far from American!
@Elliott – So who are not real Americans? So a real American doesn't stand up for their beliefs and just keeps quiet? Pretty sure that's the opposite of a real American. Who is attacking their own? Your post makes no sense.
@Elliott – So who are not real Americans? So a real American doesn't stand up for their beliefs and just keeps quiet? Pretty sure that's the opposite of a real American. Who is attacking their own? Your post makes no sense.
No one in their right mind would support Islam as a recognizable religion if they spent a few hours researching it and all of it's assorted agendas. Islam is a way of life, they castrate young girls so they can't enjoy having you know what, they murder their own family members in the name of mercy and allah, that's not a religion as we see fit.
@Jerry Landry – I have spent some time reading through the Quran and imagine that it sounds similar to the Old Testament. The difference between Islam is that they don't believe in the Holy Trinity. They believe there is only God and he had no son. They do believe Jesus was a prophet, they hold Mary in high regard, they hold Abraham in high regard, etc, etc. Now what you're talking about with people who castrate young girls, that's not Islam. THAT are extremists who twist the religion to THEIR beliefs. There are Christian extremists. Do you want to get into a debate about all the horrible things so-called CHRISTIANS have done to people over the centuries in the name of god? The honor killings, etc, that's not real Islam anymore than what Christians have done in the past is real Christianity. Do some real research and not biased readings.
@Jerry Landry – I have spent some time reading through the Quran and imagine that it sounds similar to the Old Testament. The difference between Islam is that they don't believe in the Holy Trinity. They believe there is only God and he had no son. They do believe Jesus was a prophet, they hold Mary in high regard, they hold Abraham in high regard, etc, etc. Now what you're talking about with people who castrate young girls, that's not Islam. THAT are extremists who twist the religion to THEIR beliefs. There are Christian extremists. Do you want to get into a debate about all the horrible things so-called CHRISTIANS have done to people over the centuries in the name of god? The honor killings, etc, that's not real Islam anymore than what Christians have done in the past is real Christianity. Do some real research and not biased readings.
Since the atheist cannot see electricity moving thru wires, he does not believe the light is shining over his head, and can prove it by shutting his eyes; that he is blind.
Since the atheist cannot see the air, he does not believe the jet he is flying in is carried on its wings, but rather by an imaginary fairy that he does not believe exists.
Since the atheist cannot see radio signals as they travel thru invisible air, he does not believe in the invisible music he hears that is traveling by invisible sound waves.
Since the atheist cannot see the Infinite Universe, nor infrared or ultraviolet light, nor the atom or a multitude of invisible sub-atomic particles, these also do not exist.
The atheist has the unique ability to talk on a phone with someone he cannot see thru an invisible connection he cannot believe using a brain the rest of us can’t see.
Except there is proof as to how electricity works, how a plane flies, how radio signals transfer, how light works, how an atom works, how a phone transmission works, etc, etc.
The Beauty, Diversity and Majesty of the entire infinite Universe is nothing less than absolute proof of our Creator God…as is your own conscious intelligence. If you dont think so…then what could proof possibly look like?
The Beauty, Diversity and Majesty of the entire infinite Universe is nothing less than absolute proof of our Creator God…as is your own conscious intelligence. If you dont think so…then what could proof possibly look like?
Michael Basalyga Wtf are you talking about? Man believe what you want. If it makes you happy…
Kelly Calder You still dont understand what Im talking about? My faith has been transformed into experiential knowledge…something the Gnostics placed high value upon. I dont have to believe anymore…I KNOW. My mission is to help people like you KNOW as well, SO WE CAN ALL BE HAPPY…otherwise people like you (and more so like Richard) will continue to spew out their anger and ignorance like vomit on the innocent children of God (like me) by using abbreviated language like you just did… (which is proof that you are upset for some reason…since you seem to value proof…and not happy at all) for as Jesus once said…"Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks".
Luk 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh. Isaiah 13:11
Michael Basalyga I'm not upset lol. I just talk like that. I'm actually really happy. Good day.
So let's see if I understand you correctly…you can accept the light from a simple electric bulb as the PROOF of INVISIBLE POWER …but a complete human being created with a consciousness, a brain and even emotions with 5 senses PERCEIVING THE INVISIBLE (including invisible light traveling thru empty space) functioning formed inside a womb from a microscopic speck in 9 months, with every complex system one could imagine operating smoothly and even the ability to reproduce after their own kind thru the union of a microscopic sperm and egg…is no indication of INVISIBLE POWER…and intelligence behind such AN unbelievably complex living organism?
Michael Basalyga Dude I don't care. You can believe whatever you want. I never said I don't believe in a higher power. I have my beliefs, you have yours. I said Good day sir!! lol.
Well forgive me for caring…about you and about God and everything that truly matters…therein is the difference between you and I.
"… a ban on Bibles at Walter Reed Army Medical Center".
That's been proven to be a LIE. There was never any ban on Bibles at WRAMC, there was never any ban on chaplains visiting patients, there was never any ban on family members bringing Bibles.
What was banned was people coming in to the hospital, and handing out literature about their religion and church, to patients who they did not know or have any family connection with. They were trying to convert or recruit patients, even those who told them they were not interested. It was like missionaries or evangelicals coming to your door – except the patients couldn't get away or close the door.
The hospital does not let people come in and harass patients in the name of proselytizing for their religion. I am sure that if you had a loved one there, you would not want someone from a religion different from yours bothering a sick or wounded Soldier. But there was NEVER a "ban on Bibles".
Really sad when people who call themselves "Christians" lie to try and make others look bad.
We are loosing our CONSTITUTIONAL values. Please everyone wake up!
@Forrest – So it says in the Constitution that a retired general has to be allowed to speak at a prayer breakfast?
your missing the point
your missing the point
uh Its a PRAYER BREAKFAST! and "you people" want not to have prayer.DOn't GO THEN! what is the problem? We as Christians have got to start standing up against those who want to "get rid" of our truths. Why do we back down to this kind of stuff? Spineless in Washington.
Cindy South Hoffman – If it's a prayer breakfast why not just have chaplains of as many faiths as can make it give the speech. I mean that makes more sense than some random retired general who says hateful things about others.
uh Its a PRAYER BREAKFAST! and "you people" want not to have prayer.DOn't GO THEN! what is the problem? We as Christians have got to start standing up against those who want to "get rid" of our truths. Why do we back down to this kind of stuff? Spineless in Washington.
Gee, what's more offensive?
Is it more offensive to be blowing up, shooting, beheading, stoning innocent men, women and children all over the world due to a fanatic hatred for all people on earth who don't subscribe not only to your religion, but your sect?
Or is it more offensive that someone has a different opinion of Islam than a peaceful, fun loving and gregarious group?
I mean, heaven forfend we offend the single most violent group on earth right now…
I wonder how WWII would have gone if political correctness overrode self preservation?
Perhaps if they spent more effort combating the extremists among them, rather than being offended by people being offended by being murdered, people wouldn't have such a problem with Islam? I don't want to be crazy now, but if the father of a murderer turned his son in, I would trust him more than if he got angry with me for noting his son is a murderer and a danger to the neighborhood…
The sign held up by a Muslim to protest Danish cartoons comes to mind: "Death to all who say Islam is violent!"
You would THINK, since the violence of radicalism probably kills more people in the Middle East than anywhere, people in the Middle East would be eager to aknowledge the problem, which you must do before you can address it?
But if all that isn't somehow convincing, I have to note if someone identified themselves as a Christian and was murdering people all over the world, my response to the reasonable anger would be not that the anger was offensive, but that the murderer was responsible for that anger… but I guess it's easier to say you are offended and complain to civilized people, than to have the courage to address the real problem?
I'm not saying that followers of Islam are cowards and hypocrites for being offended at people's anger at the violence of Islam rather than those committing the violence… NO, wait, that is what I am saying.
@Michael Feaster – Take a gander at history and see how Christian women were treated back in the day. You might be surprised to learn that when Islam started, Muslim women had more freedom and power than Christian women of the same time period. Just a FF (fun fact).
Kelly Calder
Back in which day? Because you need to be specific to make any sense…
I doubt I would be surprised… Did you ever watch the movie Mohammad, Messenger of God? I tend to spend six hours researching films after I watch them as well as watching documentaries. Did you watch Bhutto?
If you could surprise me with information I would be delighted. Unfortunately, I am seldom surprised by the degree of thought people put into topics they would debate…
The point being, Islam is not today what it was when Mohammed was around… And Christianity today is not what it was during the crusades…
To judge a religion by what other people did with that religion a hundred years ago, or a thousand, isn't really pertinent.
Did you see the movie of Gods and Men? My money is on Christians for doing more good than Muslims these days. This is a sad fact for Islam… Islam is a shadow of it's former self…
Kelly Calder
Back in which day? Because you need to be specific to make any sense…
I doubt I would be surprised… Did you ever watch the movie Mohammad, Messenger of God? I tend to spend six hours researching films after I watch them as well as watching documentaries. Did you watch Bhutto?
If you could surprise me with information I would be delighted. Unfortunately, I am seldom surprised by the degree of thought people put into topics they would debate…
The point being, Islam is not today what it was when Mohammed was around… And Christianity today is not what it was during the crusades…
To judge a religion by what other people did with that religion a hundred years ago, or a thousand, isn't really pertinent.
Did you see the movie of Gods and Men? My money is on Christians for doing more good than Muslims these days. This is a sad fact for Islam… Islam is a shadow of it's former self…
Michael Feaster So you're going to discount what good was done in Islam in the past and the bad that was done by Christians in the past because "now Christians do good and all Muslims are bad?" I explained back in the day – around the time the religions started. Actually you can even look at American history up until what the 1960s how women were treated in THIS country.
I don't base my opinions on movies but if you do that's your prerogative. If you have nothing better to do than spend six hours researching after you watch a movie then I feel sorry for you. But if that's what floats your boat is watching movies and documentaries have at it. I'll go out and enjoy life with my friends and family.
Kelly Calder
Where was it I discounted the "good done in Islam in the past or the bad that was done by Christians in the past?"
And where was it I stated all Muslims are bad?
I can look at all kinds of history, and I often do.
If you don't base any opinions on documentaries or painstakingly accurate historical dramas, that's your prerogative. But if you never heard of the films I mentioned, you're no scholar on Islam..
WOW, here I was giving you any credibility but first you pretend to lecture on history and discount opinion based on "movies," and the next sentence you slam any research at all as being a pursuit of the unpopular…
You're kind of a dummie, aren't you little girl?
Michael Feaster Wow you're going to insults are you? That's such a really great way to get your point across. Did I say it was the "pursuit of the unpopular?" NO. I said that I would rather not spend six hours of my life researching something like that. I would much rather spend it with my family and friends because I know what it's like to not see them for years at a time. But obviously someone's a bit touchy about his hobby. I can't believe you called me a dummy. Insults are the first sign someone shows when they have nothing else to say in a discussion. I just said if after you watch a movie you feel the need to spend hours researching it then that's just kind of sad. I guess it takes not getting to see loved ones people appreciate time better.
Kelly Calder
I thought that we were already at insults? Discounting the much better educated opinions of others is something I find pretty insulting. Almost as insulting as someone attempting to score "points" by contradicting themselves to someone with consistency to their assertions.
I too know what it's like to not see people for years at a time, if ever again.
I am not touchy at all about my hobby. I just found your glaring contradictions, well, silly. Frankly I find it hard to believe that most people have any strong opinions about anything when most people do not bother to base those opinions on anything other than knee-jerk reactions to biased points of view… In other words, I do understand that ignorance is bliss, but I do find it insulting when blissful people pretend to debate us unhappy old wise people… I can't remember what I am poorly paraphrasing, but I would rather be unhappily wise, than blissfully ignorant. The height of an enlightened joy makes a valley of shallow bliss. Happiness might be less native to knowledge, but it is more profound.
Now you have given me joy… Your attempts at insulting my intelligence are pure deliciousness… The day I find anyone who can insult MY intelligence, is the day my hope for humanity grows by leaps and bounds. I am often accused of many things, but no one has ever accused me of having nothing to say, or being dull… that is without rapidly beating a red faced retreat in the humiliating face of an intelligence they cannot even comprehend… THAT is a tactic I am very familiar with – hit him in his big brain, that will hurt him, then hope he doesn't notice that I am well out of my depth while I slink off in discomfort…
I read what you said, and I understood what you meant. But feel free to try that sly little jab again… (While AGAIN contradicting yourself…)
I find your degree of self delusion sad, almost as sad as the thought you think I am not aware of every nuance of your own written thoughts far better than yourself…
Let's spell it out for you – It's a contradiction to on one hand pretend to lecture someone vastly better educated than yourself, while on the other discount and attempt to insult education as the mere booby prize for the sad
You're far out of your depth… If you don't realize that it's even worse.
Look, the best judge of intelligence I ever found was to see how long it takes someone to realize just how incredibly brilliant I am… I can tell within two seconds if someone is a sheer genius. In your case, you may never know how close you came to your native concept of God, if only for a few brief moments on the interweb…
Michael Feaster What are you talking about? Glaring contradictions? You know what man, whatever. Have your opinions but don't blast me and call me a "dummy" because that right there actually does make you come off as unintelligent. I'm not saying you are but when you do that it comes off that way. I didn't know "we were already at insults." I wasn't attacking your intelligence at all until you had to resort to name-calling.
I don't know what you're talking about or what "sly little jab." I also don't know that I called you "dull" or "having nothing to say." You sound like someone who thinks he's just better than everyone else and you just belittle people to make yourself feel better. In MY opinion this post I'm replying to you sound very egotistical and just self-centered. "You may never know how close you came to your native concept of God." What are you talking about? What's my "native concept" about god? Or did you mean a different word?
Look you can do whatever you want – all I did was point out that YOU resorted to name-calling. Lol now I"m the one who is laughing. If you're so sensitive you thought I was attacking your intelligence (only did after you called me a name) then that's just weird.
Wow…just wow.
Kelly Calder
It's clear most of this is going right over your head. I'll try to bring it down a bit for you. Let's try very simple bullet points…
Islam has a problem today
To your simplistic initial comments to my assertion, I suggest you watch The Messenger. I would suggest years of research and experience, but as that would deprive you of an active social life, just watch the movie. It was approved by scholars of Islam, so hopefully you will agree it is not biased by Western influences. That's kind of a joke, based upon the contentions of Islam to Christianity, get it?
Probably not 
As to the rest, I feel I am depriving you of the active social life you have repeatedly referred to and enmiring you in intellectualism which you have expressed is the anathema to your joi de vivre. So suffice to say, for someone who disparages book learning as an impediment to familial connections, I am right and you are wrong…
Is this the point where you begin to express sexual attraction to me? Because that is usually what happens when women spend too much time conversing with me. I think it has to do with their innate desire to obtain superior male genetic code. That and my rugged good looks and home spun proletariat work ethic…
Oops, I always forget women don't like to have it vocalized when they feel the desire to submit to a dominant male… My bad.
Michael Feaster Now you're just twisting my words. I never "disparaged" book reading. I read books but whatever.
Um there is absolutely no sexual attraction and I highly doubt you get as many women as you state you do. I hope you are being facetious but if not, you're even more self-centered than I thought. I have never and will never "submit" to anyone.
Kelly Calder
ROFL
I never stated I "get many women."
I think it's more like less women get me than would like to. I'm kind of selective. No doubt another aspect of my sad existence due to scholarly pursuits…
I'm not even going to address your comments about submission. But suffice to say, your social life can't be as grand as you have let on…
Oh, actually it's not my self-centeredness that makes me so popular. It's probably the fact that I am really nice to people and the best friend in the world to my friends. (Albeit the small circle allotted to sad scholars.)
But anyone who knows me quickly discovers debating me is an exercise in futility and can only lead to frustration and a headache. They eventually just come around to the reality that it's better to appreciate me as a source of information than a sparring partner.
So don't feel bad, little lady. You never had a chance…
ROFL
RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY…
lol nighty night
Thank you Lori, for having the courage to respond regardless of the fact you are in error like the masses of Christianity. You are welcome to give me your insight into how anything I have written is contrary to scripture and I will respond. Perhaps you are unaware that the original Hebrew word used for God in Genesis (Elohim) is not singular male, but rather plural female with the ending “him” being male…or the fact there is more than enough reason to believe the passages in John for example where the Holy Spirit appears male were actually changed by the early male hierarchy in the Catholic Church. I have also read that the most ancient original manuscript of John they found clearly spoke of the Holy Spirit as female…one translation the Catholic leaders were apparently unable to get their hands on. Part of your error like most of Christianity is assuming the bible is the infallible word of God, when Jesus himself never said any such thing…on the contrary the scriptures tell us Jesus is the word as well as the truth. In fact Jesus told the religious leaders in John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them yes think yes have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
I am under no obligation to believe the error Christians believe about the Trinity. Nor am I under any obligation to call myself a Christian. Jesus was not sent here by the Father to start another religion called Christianity, nor did either one of them call us Christians. According to the bible that you claim to know and believe, there are only 2 kinds of people in the world…the good and evil, the just and the unjust, the Children of God known for their love and the children of the wicked one who are known for their selfishness and hatred of the children of God…the sheep and the goats (Matt.25:32) who I was sent here to help separate the one from the other…which separation has already been taking place over the course of human history among the nations. I am also under no obligation to imitate Jesus. Jesus did not lead us into “all truth” which is apparent as he said the Holy Spirit would be sent to do this.
Regardless of what you or a billion Christians like you think, I also have the authority to alter scripture as I am led by the Holy Spirit, the Most High; who is the Original God as I have revealed in my writing. She has hidden Herself in Her beautiful humility for thousands of years and is now revealing Herself and Her Wisdom through me, and others who will believe in me, because of my word spoken and written. I am Michael Her Prince as well as Prince of Melchizidek the Everlasting Father. Scripture prophesied of my coming in Daniel 12 as I will soon stand before the world, to prepare the world for the second coming of my Son Jesus, making His enemies his footstool. Jesus was also “that prophet” spoken of by Moses who prophesied of my coming, saying God so loved the world, He gave his only begotten Son.
Jesus is my only begotten Son and I am the only begotten Son of Melchizidek who has no Father, as I made clear in the “Arrows of Orion” and other writing you have yet to read. Jesus and I are also the two Sons of the Most High God typified in the earthly reflection of Benjamin and Joseph, the two sons of Rachel who was Jacobs wife. I can send you and anyone else my current writing and book of poetry which will explain in depth much of what you don’t understand if you give me an email address. You, along with anyone else reading this are also welcome to invite me to be your friend on facebook where we can converse in the future.
Blessings in Christ, Your brother Michael, Prince of Melchizidek.
I was with you until halfway through when you said you had the authority to alter scripture. I'm not Christian but after that, you lost me.
Kelly Calder,
In response to your note (in addition to what I already shared) we can know the bible isn’t perfect or infallible for 3 reasons at least. First of all it has 66 books which is a picture of man in his imperfect state. Seven being the number of perfection as there are 7 notes in music and 7 basic colors including white, 7 days in a week, other 7s in scripture etc.
Secondly, Isaiah wrote in 40:8 “The grass withers, the flower fades: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.” If the old testament along with the old covenant were the eternal, infallible word of God, then why is it written in Hebrews 8:13 that it’s decaying, waxing old and ready to vanish away?
Thirdly the Apostle Paul wrote in first Corinthians 13:12 “For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face” which clarifies why there is a lack of clarity even in the New Testament in Paul’s own writing. John also opened up the book of Revelation by saying these things must shortly come to pass, yet Christians fully believe they are still waiting to see the fulfillment of much that was written there 2000 years later.
In the same way even Jesus said things, that seemed to contradict the old testament, I will be writing things that may seem to contradict the new, as we come into this new millennial day of perfect illumination (Pro.4:18) which will result in spiritual leaders finally seeing eye to eye across the world…a promise from scripture, which will break down the long standing walls of division within Christianity as well as between all the Children of God from every kindred, tribe and nation as I move forward by the Spirit to establish the Kingdom of God across the earth in preparation for Christ’s return.
Michael Basalyga- I found it difficult to wade through most of your mumble-jumble,Mike, but one passage stood out: "…the most ancient original manuscript of John they found clearly spoke of the Holy Spirit as female…" I have it on high authority ( a sub-literate poster from the Washington Post) that its not Holy Ghost but in fact Holly Ghost. So,his misspelling along with your ramblings are evidence enough for ME to imagine a young woman of about 30,very fit with dancer's body,petite,assertive,saucy and oh so flirty lol.Oh did i mention shes in one of those tight sweater dresses?? lol hell yes!
So sad you have such a limited imagination! God created ALL the beautiful women on this planet, who I might add, have intelligence WAY beyond yours…LOL. In fact you are a perfect example to everyone of how IGNORANT a man can really be. Thank you!
Michael Basalyga _ A correction,Mike. Its not 'ignorant' to be saucy and sarcastic. Ignorant is better evidenced in nutty statements like yours: " I also have the authority to alter scripture as I am led by the Holy Spirit" although to be totally fair,your statements fall under the description of delusional. And you dont have to thank ME,Mike. I was inspired -kinda like you- by that damn sexy Holly Ghost lol.
Michael Basalyga I know the bible isn't perfect and it's missing a lot of books. I'm just saying that I agreed with you until you started saying you are some Prince somebody…that kind of threw me off. — And with Richard I think he was being a little sarcastic – not ignorant. That description of his seems to show he has a very robust imagination lol.
Kelly Calder – um,Kelly? I just took a closer look at his name and full title. We should have a care because Mike is of royal lineage. Mike,Prince of Melcheesydick- that sounds like a man you dont want to piss off lol.
Well if it helps you to grasp the intensity and depth of my own earthly experience, my aging process has not only stopped, but gone into reverse these last 10 years. Most of my gray hair, wrinkles, aches and pains have vanished. I am 53..that pic is a year old and I have 8 beautiful grandkids. God has also been transporting me through multiple planets in our galaxy…like paralell worlds since 2005 of which I understand there are 100 million in our galaxy alone. I wasnt born on this planet. There are buildings here that did not exist in the last world I was in and they are not new either. Road systems are slightly different sometimes and mountain ranges have different names on the maps etc.
To answer the other fellow…the greatest delusion of all is in thinking the Universe somehow created itself and all of us.
Michael Basalyga Um…yeah. Wow…
Michael Basalyga -Mike,er,I mean Prince Mike. Forgive this humble one's rudeness earlier. I can see now that you are not of this mortal realm and I would like to talk to you in your own language:" O-Qua Tangin Wann… Qua Omsa Lagee Wann"
You probably recognize those words from your fellow space traveler,Riley Martin.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Riley_Martin
Being the fool you are Richard, you once again vastly misunderstand. I simply fall asleep in one world and wake up in another. The dimension of the spirit is not bound by time and space. However Im not going to cast any more of my pearls before a swine like you. Matt. 7:6 Your apology is apparently not sincere. Go back to your mire if you have no love for the truth. Your earlier remark about the Holy Spirit is close to blasphemy, which is the one and only unforgivable sin (Matt 12:31) so your days may be numbered. I was only being as kind as possible by saying you have a limited imagination(which you do) Please dont write back with any more of your hateful nonsense…you are just making more of a fool of yourself
Michael Basalyga Huh? It's not hateful – he's just being facetious. But you aren't really making much sense. I'm just being honest.
Well if you are being honest and my words are not making sense to you…then again it is proof to me you must be in darkness (or ignorance…sorry for having to tell u the truth) and cant see the obvious light of my Truth, which goes back to what I wrote about concerning the dark and empty mind of the athiest who can neither see nor hear the Truth. The Truth is, AS WITH ALL ATHEISTS WHOM YOU REPRESENT ON THIS FORUM…YOU DONT WANT TO SEE THE TRUTH as you have a preconceived notion that this same truth is going to take away whatever hapinesss you may have… which of course is not the truth…but the most common misconception in all of humanity since the beginning, when an Angel of Light convinced Adam and Eve that God did not have their best in mind…igniting an "evil imagination" in their own hearts and minds…which is what the bible calls "The Mystery of Iniquity". Like this Angel of Light had done earlier…they "imagined" God was not good, but rather evil…in trying to withold something good from them. Much like a child would misunderstand when a parent tried to stop him or her from chasing a ball into the street…or later in life tried to keep them from smoking and drugs…or alchohol before they were mature enough to handle it, and not take it to excess…which is how lust is defined…an excessive desire or desire for excess beyond what a person at any given point in his life can handle. Hope that helps you and anyone else reading this column!
We have been at odds with muslim nations since washington was president.it took Thomas Jefferson to stand up to them and refuse tribute to those thugs.these loving muslims would pillage kill ans enslave entire villages in the Mediterranean and along the Atllantic coast of Europe.they were thugs then, they are thugs now.just look at what they are doing to Christians in their country today.if they do not like it here THEN GO BACK TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY!
Um they are in their own country. Muslims have resided in the US since the 1800s. If you want them to "go back to your own country" then EVERY SINGLE PERSON in the US is an ancestor of immigrants and has to go "back to their own country." Oh wait, my country is the US because I was born here – as are some Muslims.
what I am referring to is go to a country where no other religion is allowed, so much for a religion of love, peace.understanding.they do not allow ANY other religion in their country, and total world domination is there goal.do you not read anything do you not know or understand their book.I am not even going to call it by it's name.Look up the muslim history, yeah, I know our christian history is replete with violence.However we do tolerate other peoples religions, thank god for The United States Of America, which was founded on whose religion principles.like I said if you do not like it here , then please leave, STOP TRYING TO FORCE YOUR RELIGION OR NO RELIGION ON US.
Michael Burch – You know you can reply to individual comments – just wasn't sure who this was in response to but since I'm the only person who replied to your first comment…
I think you missed MY point. You are acting as if all Muslims are from the Middle East or that region. You do realize that the following people are Muslim and have been Americans for their entire lives right:
Muhammad Ali, Kareem Abdul Jabaar, Dave Chappelle, Aasif Mandvi (from the Daily Show), Jermaine Jackson, former rapper Ice Cube, Mike Tyson, Shaquille O'Neal, and plenty of other athletes, writers, musicians, etc. They aren't out there "killing and conducting terrorism." They pretty much tolerate any other religion.
How about this: Kareem Rashad Sultan Kahn – A United States Army soldier who was killed in Iraq fighting for YOU and your bigotry. There are approximately 10,000 Muslim servicemembers in the US military. So what do you tell them? Do you tell them to "go back to their country?" Oh that would be THIS one.
I do read a lot – I read FACTS not biased media like the article we're commenting on. I have actually read the Quran – have you? It's very similar to the Old Testament by the way if you do read it you'll see that. I have read Muslim history too.
Let’s see some history on Islam:
- Two man views on the role of women in the Quran are that men and women before God are equal in terms of their religious duties and that men and women are created from a single soul (sound familiar). One person does NOT come before the other, one is NOT superior to the other. A woman is NOT created for the purpose of a man. They are created for MUTUAL benefit of each other. (See what happens when extremists take the religious text and pervert it? Women are NOT supposed to be treated the way they are in some Muslim cultures).
- They were equal in destiny when God ordered them not to eat from the forbidden tree resulting in exile from heaven because of temptations of the devil (sound familiar?).
- Education among Muslim women (historically): Women played an important role in the foundation of many Islamic educational institutions. Women could study, earn degrees and qualify as scholars.
- Employment among women: Both men AND women in early Islam were involved in many occupations and economic activities. Women were employed as farmers, construction workers, dyers, investors, doctors, brokers, scholars, etc. A famous Islamic philosopher (Ibn Rushd) claimed women were equal to men in all respects and possessed the equal capabilities to “shine in peace and war.” Unique in medieval times was to see a female staff in Muslim hospitals due to females rarely being employed elsewhere in the world. Muslim hospitals were the first to employ female doctors.
- Property rights: Historically women in Muslim societies had more property rights than in other parts of the world. According to the Quran and Islamic tradition a woman does NOT have to give her pre-marriage possessions to her husband and receives a dowry which she keeps. Anything a woman earns through employment or business is HERS to keep and does not have to be contributed to family expenses. A woman is not responsible for the upkeep of the home and she may demand payment for work she does in a domestic sphere. (Wow that sounds sooo horrible for women in Muslim society. Hmm…how have women in European society been treated for centuries and until WWII expected to stay “in the kitchen”).
- Women are entitled to the right of inheritance according to the Quran.
- According to the sunnah, a woman is NOT supposed to be punished for having been coerced into having sex and is found in the Quran. Another thing that is twisted by extremists.
I mean that’s just from Wikipedia. Imagine what other information is out there if you just READ it and read the Quran. The Quran specifically forbids A LOT of what happens to Muslim women today and HISTORICALLY they had far more freedoms than Christian women of the same time period did. Today, many areas use CULTURAL customs under the guise of the Quran. I mean how are you to get a true sense of what Christianity even IS when a lot of it was misinterpreted AND the MEN of early Christianity excluded the women who were involved (you know painting Mary Magdalene as nothing more than a whore, etc, etc).
The fact is that I take the time to read about things. You obviously don’t. MOST Christians do not tolerate other people’s religions. Case in point: You telling me or anyone else who disagrees with you “if you don’t like it here, then please leave.” I’m sorry but that is the OPPOSITE of what the Founders believed in. How dare you tell me to leave the country I have been born and raised in. I love America – I can’t stand some of the people in it. I have given the last almost 8 years of my life to America and will continue to do so. That does NOT mean I have to like the people who inhabit this country or agree with you. I do not believe in any religion BUT I at least take the time to research and respect their origins or find out what they stand for.
Just because today Islam has “followers” who commit violence does not mean that the entire religions is that way. So what do you say to “Christians” who bomb abortion clinics and kill innocent people? Or the Westboro Baptist Church? They claim to be Christians? “Oh well they aren’t true Christians.” Yeah they’re extremists – just like the terrorists out there who happen to be Muslim. What would people be saying if those planes on 9/11 had been full of Christians? Or Jews? Or any other religion? Just because someone SAYS they are a follower of a religion doesn’t mean they ARE.
what I am referring to is go to a country where no other religion is allowed, so much for a religion of love, peace.understanding.they do not allow ANY other religion in their country, and total world domination is there goal.do you not read anything do you not know or understand their book.I am not even going to call it by it's name.Look up the muslim history, yeah, I know our christian history is replete with violence.However we do tolerate other peoples religions, thank god for The United States Of America, which was founded on whose religion principles.like I said if you do not like it here , then please leave, STOP TRYING TO FORCE YOUR RELIGION OR NO RELIGION ON US.
Kelly Calder
It is not necessary for every member of a group to engage in "terrorism" for that group as a whole to be unacceptable to a society. It is always the case that only a small fraction of any group actually engages in violence (e.g.,, Nazis, Soviets, or Muslims). What is important is the net effect of political aims and demographic mass. There is a Muslim problem in the world and this nation is suffering as well. You can choose to side with them. That is your choice and responsibility. We side against them, and have pledged ourselves against them. They are unacceptable in this society.
Better remove these assholes from MY COUNTRY in a box or not!
The enemy of America is c.a.i.r.—-they are extremists….believe it…….
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth;.
These folks need to get their head out of their XXX. Christians have rights too, this country was founded upon Christian beliefs which include freedom of non-Christian's to have their own beliefs. So, lay off the anti-Christian crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!
screw them!! they are in the minority!
Satan and his helpers are hard at work to turn people away from GOD
That's funny. Last I checked, christians were fighting hard to cancel Rock Beyond Belief. Who's in the right here, really?
OUR GREAT UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WAS FOUNDED ON OUR LORD'S, TRUE ****INTEGRITY**** CHRISTIAN MORAL VALUES & BLESSED ETHICS.
DID YOU KNOW, OUR LORD IS IN CONTROL OF THIS WHOLE EARTH?
I WILL NOT GIVE UP MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH THOSE SEEK TO DESTROY OUR GREAT UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FREEDOM.
BY OUR LORD'S MERCY & HIS DIVINE GRACE, WE ARE & ALWAYS WILL BE A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY!
GOD BLESS NOT CURSE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!
This is one more example of why Obama and his admin has to go…how many more examples do we need…STAND UP CHRISTIANS it is now or never
Why do muslims and athiests always win.?
Why is it that only their wants matter,? Not only tired of them but the cowards that always cave into them.
if they dont like then their welcome to leave its god and country first amen
If the Muslims didn't like the speaker than they didn't have to listen! This country has "freedom of choice" – LEARN ABOUT IT!!!!!!
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth;. — Sad
Just wrong, but if Satan gets Christ out of the military, then we will lose everything written by our fore fathers and founders of this great nation.
Since when do rag heads think they are a part of this country that was founded on Christianity. I feel strongly that if you do not believe in God and Country then go back to where ever you came from, you think our troops fought you hard. Try us Christians here in OUR homeland. Get out of my country now, you are not wanted here or your culture. Obama you had better work for this country, your race is still undecided. Your days as president of OUR country are limited – let a better man kick your butt out…
All these comments confirm the GOP is turning into a white evangelical good old boys club.
All these comments confirm the GOP is turning into a white evangelical good old boys club.