Jul 30, 2012
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The Stars and Stripes will once again adorn the kiddie train at the Clackamas Town Center in Oregon after mall management rescinded an order banning the American flag.
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A few weeks ago mall officials sent a letter to train conductor Thomas Phelps ordering him to remove the flags that decorated the train. The mall called them “unapproved visuals.”
Phelps, a military veteran, refused – and vowed to stand his ground – even if it meant he was fired.
“Why would anybody – anybody not want to see our flag displayed,” told KATU News. “I may be fired. I may be thrown out of the mall but I am not taking it down.”
Phelps said he hoped people would rally around the flag – and that’s exactly what happened. Local media outlets were flooded with hundreds of messages support Phelps.
As a result, mall management has had a change of heart, saying it never intended to offend or cause disrespect.
“We honor, support and respect what the United States flag represents,” the statement read. “The actions and latter that were communicated certainly did not convey that. And for this, we apologize.”
The mall said the American flag would be displayed not only at the kiddie train but at other locations within the mall.
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Let the outrage begin.
how did people like that get to America in the first place. If things like this won't wake people up before the most important presidential election since creation, nothing will.
Keith, what significance AT ALL does this story have to do with the Presidential election? You completely lost me on that one.
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz What does it have to do with the election? All of this anti-american BS began, when Obama got elected. before Obama, we never read about flags being banned; santa banned from schools or no valentines for school kids. It all began with Obama and the liberals having the idea that we can't offend muslims, so therefore anything american must be dumbed down. Ifr the muslims don't like american culture or nationalistic pride, they can get the hell out of this country.
John, I vehemently disagree. Don't blame it on Obama–blame it on the RIghtwing agitators who have relentlessly tried to paint Obama as "The Other!"–questioning his birth certificate, his religion, his background, his nationality, sheesh–all to whip up people's fears that "He's not one of US!" for people to whom that kind of thing is, for whatever reason I don't know?–important.
Perhaps a better way of saying what you believe is "Until Obama was elected, we never heard of "XYZ" because we never had a media organization so primed and ready to report and distort every headline to cast the Left in such a cynical light–and to try to tie the President in with it in any way they possibly could"?!
In any case, I think your attempt to find a link between the two is a little bit silly, but you're entitled to think that way if you must.
John, I vehemently disagree. Don't blame it on Obama–blame it on the RIghtwing agitators who have relentlessly tried to paint Obama as "The Other!"–questioning his birth certificate, his religion, his background, his nationality, sheesh–all to whip up people's fears that "He's not one of US!" for people to whom that kind of thing is, for whatever reason I don't know?–important.
Perhaps a better way of saying what you believe is "Until Obama was elected, we never heard of "XYZ" because we never had a media organization so primed and ready to report and distort every headline to cast the Left in such a cynical light–and to try to tie the President in with it in any way they possibly could"?!
In any case, I think your attempt to find a link between the two is a little bit silly, but you're entitled to think that way if you must.
Works for me Zizzer, that's the way I feel too.
I guess you missed the speech where Prez Obama called the "other party" the enemy (while addressing the hispanic community).
You are part of the problem in this county. I can hardly wait to see what your response will be in another 2-3 years if the current occupant of th WH is still in office. Hitler would have loved the likes of you! Extrapolate your head from your backside.
Oh not that "Hitler" thing, Susan. Try next time to get your point across without reaching for such a silly misuse of the whole "Hitler" thang. For the record, Hitler was a FANATICAL nationalist who put his national symbol on everything from his wine goblets (Have a pair, honesty) to his shoe bottoms (guessing on that last one, I confess, but you get the point…Hitler would definitely sided with you, more, to be honest….)
Oh, and it's "extract", not "extrapolate". Just sayin….
simple..Progressives are who those people are..they were born here then changed the schoo teachings through theprogressive dept of ed…thats how you change the minds of many…especially kids…noticve the schools combining ? thats to centralize the kids and for feed them socialism…dont beleive it?…google stuart chase and fabian socialism…you will have a whole new idea of FDR…
Oh yeah! It's Bush's fault.
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz – Everything about obama needs to be questioned. As well as those who have been protecting him and his ideology. Add to that all the "Leftwing agitators who have relentlessly tried to defend everything Obama has done"
So why does he continue to refuse to place his hand over his heart during the National Anthem? That seems Anti American to me, not to mention the way he has bent over backwards to appease the Afghan president in all of his crazy demands. I wont evn mention the lowest payraise since 1971 for the military while he has been commander in chief, but hey cash for clunkers was a big hit!
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz Who's your optometrist? I wouldn't mind getting a pair of the lenses you're obviously wearing. Honestly? The media is distorting the left?? And as for the doubts cast on Obama.. I'll chop my foot off.. in front of you and 8 of your selected guests if you didn't choose each and every minute opportunity to "prove" GWB was unsuitable as president. It's truly truly amazing the short memory the lefties have, and how 95% of the media outlets are going out of their way to MASK Obama's obvious errors..and yet… lefties say all the media is distorting him. Is this a racial thing? Excessive apology and explanation for BHO because he's black? That's racist. I myself would vote for anyone..anything, alien or mechanical, if they could do a good job as President.
John:
I was going to comment but since i agree with your comment to zizzer no need to say any more
have a great day
semper fi
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz, so… you blame the last few years of flag hating on… Right wing agitators slandering Obama??? lol
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz………….Why don't you move to some place like Venezuela where your anti American pride can be properly exercised! Why wouldn't WE AMERICANS question the "Transparent Imposters" birth certificate, his "sealed" grades, term papers, affiliations and it goes on and on. Wake up and smell democracy for once in your life!!
OBO has been the prime cause of the increased divisions and class warfare in the past 3-4 years. He,and that nitwit AG of his,have set our country back a hundred years. He is a disgrace!!!
Because Barack Hussein Obama is about un-american and un-patriotic as you can get!
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz you stupid moron ,go back to your stupid country american hater,GOD BLESS AMERICA
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz ,???????????????SOME OF THEM
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz ,???????????????SOME OF THEM
I think that John Payton was exactly correct on his assertion. This all began with Obama being re-elected. After all he was the spawn of communists (they hate America) went to a Church? that had a pastor that was damning America.
You are really a tool or are you too enamored of Oblama to really come to understand what he and his minions are doing to this country? If so, I suggest a trip to a doctor for a diagnosis. I'm sure he will tell you that you are bi-polar.
ZIZZER,ALL I KNOW IS OBOZO IS AT FAULT FOR ALL THE BAD THIS COUNTRY IS GOING THROUGH,HE SHOULD BE TARRED AND FEATHERED AND DRAGGED OUT OF TOWN
ZIZZER,ALL I KNOW IS OBOZO IS AT FAULT FOR ALL THE BAD THIS COUNTRY IS GOING THROUGH,HE SHOULD BE TARRED AND FEATHERED AND DRAGGED OUT OF TOWN
You need to lay off the koolaid, its CNN, ABC, NBC that don't report correctly. How about the reporting that it was a Tea party person in Aurora theater. Oh thats ok it was just a little mistake. The Libs twist things so bad, and whats worst you swallow it without question. You are proof of the dumbing down of America
I'm sorry but thats stupid. There were always people at private businesses having flags taken down for one reason or another. Even decades before Obama entered politics, people were burning flags in the street.
I'm sorry but thats stupid. There were always people at private businesses having flags taken down for one reason or another. Even decades before Obama entered politics, people were burning flags in the street.
All I can say is that if you do not know by now, you never will and explanation will not help you.
Neil Harris It's hard to take you seriously when you make reference to Bush being competent in ANY WAY to be president. This godawful mess the country is in is directly Bush's fault. I know that it's fashionable in Conservative circles to deny responsibility and make the empty claim that "enough time has passed", but Bush set in motion a lot of policies and decisions that have had long-term disastrous results tat will take even the NEXT administration to fix. And Obama creatd more jobs in three years than Bush did in eight–true fact, look it up.
Man are you brainwashed by the Godless left. Right wing agitators? That was moronic!! At least your inane drivel is good for a laugh when our country is going down the drain. Out with ALL leftists and IN with patriotic conservatives in Nov.
Dennis Johnston Dennis, please stop listening to Glenn Beck! He's been thoroughly discredited, in case you didn't get the memo!!!
Greg Vogt ha ha, reg, yeah, SURE! Fox "News"–which Rupert Murdoch HIMSELF ADMITTED that he started in order to give a Conservative slant to the reporting of news—is "unbiased and fair", but all the major news networks which have reliably informed this nation for decades are unreliable, right?
Sheeesh; honestly…where do people like you come from?!?!
Ray Manley The only cause of class warfare and division in tis country has been Karl Rove's deliberate policy o "divide and conquer", as per "culture war" distractions and the deliberate inflaming of social, religious, and ethnic tensions. Man, you Rightwingers are all puppets on an ideological string, dancing to the song of your masters…wake up, yourselves!
Hector Santacruz Hector, you might be able to find medication that will help you through your psychological breakdown?
Yes, Mike. No one pushes division and culture war issues to distract and polarize people like the RIghtwing. This idiotic story is proof in and of itself. You won't find stories like this on "liberal" websites! Why do you think I"m here? It's just so much FUN!!!
Zizzer……..——-don't forget to take your meds. If you were to wake up unexpectedly you would be shocked at what OBO is doing to our once proud country.
Zizzer……..——-don't forget to take your meds. If you were to wake up unexpectedly you would be shocked at what OBO is doing to our once proud country.
Ray Manley It's a shame that you're not proud of America, Ray. But hey, YOUR SIDE got use here, and I know that your type loves to run from responsibility. I don't think I've EVER heard a Republican EVEN ONCE take responsibility for their culpability in dragging this country down into the muck?
And yesterday–what did the waste their time on? Voting on a radical anti-abortion bill rather then doing something to help some jobs bill through. Maybe you'd best get OFF your meds and get some clarity?
Zizzer—I must complement you —–you are a whole lot more fun than anything on tv.
PS: where did I say I wasn't proud of the USA ??? You lefties are always making up BS.
Most important presidential election since creation? Really? I wasn't aware that creation consisted of an election. Was God elected? I t hought he just was. Really bad phrasing there guy.
Ray, I just……can't even think about that right now…..oh my god!!
Didn't you just HEAR?!!?
SNOOP DOG IS NOW "SNOOP L-I-O-N"! ! ! !!
OH, the hu-MAN-ity!!!! (boo hoo hoo hoo!)
I think reality set in once mall management read all the local new e-mails that stated if the flags were not allowed, we would no longer be shopping at Clackamas Town Center.
I'll second that, I have family there and they were very angry
The sad part is that the decision to rescind the flag ban order was based on money and not on love for our country and the flag. Had money not been involved, the flag ban would have stood.
Kelly Klaas , I agree that is the sad part
If I lived anywhere near that mall, I would make sure that all through the Christmas season, people would not forget what they did and why they backed down!!!
this comes (b) The flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle or of a railroad train or a boat. When the flag is displayed on a motorcar, the staff shall be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender.
right out of the United States flag code……
Hoorah!!
Please tell me when the United States Flag Code was signed into law…..please tell me….
THANK YOU, Victor!
There ya go, y'all. Man, I woulda thought all the "patriots" should have known that?!
THANK YOU, Victor!
There ya go, y'all. Man, I woulda thought all the "patriots" should have known that?!
what an ass
what an ass
Have you ever considered living in Cuba or Venezuala? I know there are those of us on this blog that would be willing to raise money on your behalf to get you out of this country so that you can make room for those who would love to be here and respect our constitution and laws. Of course, you do know it would be a one way ticket to either of those countries.
Susan, I find your commentary utterly without merit. Why would a good, patriotic American like me–who is arguing for nothing less that the restoration of RESPECT for our flag (instead of its bastardization into some meaningless "logo")–want to live in a foreign country?
Honestly–some of ya'all here are just so besotted with hate and misery that you're completely blinded to reason.
To susan cox. For your information i am a 20 year retired vet with 3 years in vietnam and know the flag code very well. The only thing a flag is to be draped over is a coffin of a decease vet. Please google United States flag code and get some one to read it to you
UNITED STATES CODE TITLE 36 CHAPTER 10
Yes, I have read the flag code as well and I disagree with a lot of what it says. What you have written is for the actual flag, not a picture. If you go by the flag code, then you need to protest stores selling shirts displaying the flag, ties, hats, and anything else. I am military and know how to display the flag, but I find it strange that if the flag code was enforcable then why aren't there people going to jail, or getting ticketed for wearing the flag, etc. But I guess that would be the next step for government control.
Ryan Copeland The one on the train in question is an actual flag, not a picture. And yes, we should not be wearing clothing with the US flag embroidered on it – it is not to be used for commercial purposes on apparel, the flag code is clear. And while it is US Federal Law, the Supreme Court has ruled that enforcing it could lead to free speech issues. That does not preclude that we should treat the flag with the respect it deserves.
Ryan Copeland The one on the train in question is an actual flag, not a picture. And yes, we should not be wearing clothing with the US flag embroidered on it – it is not to be used for commercial purposes on apparel, the flag code is clear. And while it is US Federal Law, the Supreme Court has ruled that enforcing it could lead to free speech issues. That does not preclude that we should treat the flag with the respect it deserves.
Bryce Corbin YOU AND ZIZZER ZAZZER ARE YOU AMERICANS OR JUST TWO STUPIDS LEFTIST AMERICANS HATERS
But in THIS case, the concern was not HOW it was displayed, but that it was DISPLAYED…no doubt over concerns that its mere presence may offend someone. Manner of display is certainly a subject for another thread, but in this particular case the MANNER of display was never mentioned. It's inconceivable to me that we even have discussions in this country these days where the display of our flag would not be allowed. If the display of the American flag offends you, you are in the wrong country!
But in THIS case, the concern was not HOW it was displayed, but that it was DISPLAYED…no doubt over concerns that its mere presence may offend someone. Manner of display is certainly a subject for another thread, but in this particular case the MANNER of display was never mentioned. It's inconceivable to me that we even have discussions in this country these days where the display of our flag would not be allowed. If the display of the American flag offends you, you are in the wrong country!
n a parade, the flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle, railroad train, or boat. When the flag is displayed on a motorcar, the staff shall be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender as usual the statement is edited to serve a purpose… Remember Liberals are America's true enemy
Your posting is the very defintion of "Contradiction"! lol!
JR, please go back to the sandbox…
Your posting is the very defintion of "Contradiction"! lol!
JR, please go back to the sandbox…
It's stupid to BAN the flag on the train, but really—think of this–exactly WHAT does the flag MEAN anymore? A shmaltzy sticker to put on a "kiddie train"! I mean, does anyone DOUBT that it's an "American" train?
REALLY? I'm all for waving the flag, but really–has it just become a banal piece of Americana, like cow wallpaper in some Midwest farmhouse kitchen somewhere?
Maybe we should restore some meaningful significance to the flag instead of papering it all over every piece of pop culture that we can find?
To most of us, the flag means exactly what it has always meant, it has GREAT "meaningful significance". Why YOU apparently view it as "shmaltzy" is something that you may want to review. I suggest you start by commenting less and spending that time visiting a VA hospital. If you can continue to use such terms as "banal piece of Americana, like cow wallpaper in some Midwest farmhouse kitchen somewhere", then I suggest you spend some time in Afghanistan with our soldiers!
To most of us, the flag means exactly what it has always meant, it has GREAT "meaningful significance". Why YOU apparently view it as "shmaltzy" is something that you may want to review. I suggest you start by commenting less and spending that time visiting a VA hospital. If you can continue to use such terms as "banal piece of Americana, like cow wallpaper in some Midwest farmhouse kitchen somewhere", then I suggest you spend some time in Afghanistan with our soldiers!
Paula, my comment isn't a criticism of the flag. We just buried my uncle who was a decorated veteran of the Navy. I love an respect my country, and its flag. And miss my uncle, who was a good man.
My angst is with the people who seem to feel compelled to use the flag as some sort of personal motif, to adorn whatever banal, ridiculous piece of whatever that they feel like "personalizing". I've seen flags in the most obscene places; torn, flying in rain, trampled in mud, yes, even in mud. People just throw the flag up, and around, whatever they think needs to "Look American" apparently, and forget to show the flag genuine respect.
Outside of Raleigh, VA, there was a HUGE flag outside of some shopping center one day, and though it has been raining ALL DAY, it was out there just flying in the pouring rain—I mean, what happened to respecting the flag? it's just overused to the point of being a commonplace decoration any more, to the point of losing its gravitas and significance.
Speaking as someone who HAS been to Afghanistan and IS a soldier, the flag has been bastardized and twisted. It is a shame to see her hang so low.
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz,
"…Outside of Raleigh, VA, there was a HUGE flag outside of some shopping center one day, and though it has been raining ALL DAY, it was out there just flying in the pouring rain—I mean, what happened to respecting the flag?…"
As long as it is an all-weather flag, which the vast majority is, it is OK.
You doth protest too much, methinks.
Rusty Shackleford As a boy scout, I was always taught that you never flew the flag out in the rain. I didn't know that it was ok to fly an "all weather" flag. Thank you for the information. It makes me feel better, although I would have taken the flag down in the rain.
Actually, your comments beg to differ…you seem to be a "wooden spoon" trying to stir up crap.
Why don't you research a little further and find out what our illustrious "first lady" really thinks about our flag?
I wish you luck getting help for your Obama Derangement Syndrome, Susan. It's covered under Health Care, you know?
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz well i'm fairly certain the ppl displaying the flag still flew it with some sort of pride……still a lot better than burning it….i assume u must be against burning a flag if ur so upset at the improper displaying of it……?
ZZZ… Strange when you accuse people of using the flag for personal reasons when the main thing that holding/posting/draping a flag does it take the attention *away* from the person and points to the greatness and pride (read: PRIDE) in our country. Even broken the best around the globe.
ZZZ… Strange when you accuse people of using the flag for personal reasons when the main thing that holding/posting/draping a flag does it take the attention *away* from the person and points to the greatness and pride (read: PRIDE) in our country. Even broken the best around the globe.
The flag may hang outside as long as it is an all weather flag.
Okay, Zizzer I hear what you are saying but there were some changes to the American Flag. We now have Flags made from synthetic material which have been declared to be all weather flags. Flags made in cloth should be taken down in times of bad weather. All weather flags can be flown at all times. Check your facts. There is not a Flag Law as someone stated earlier, there is a Flag Code. Lastly, Raleigh is the Capital of North Carolina. I have read almost every post in this thread. Zizzer you may be the most patriotic person in the USA but you come off as a ignorant man that just likes to talk because he thinks he knows something. The respect for the flag has been diminishing for years. However, the momentum has increase ten fold since 2008 partially because people perceive Obama as being UN-American. Do you think for an instant that Ronald Regan or let's step back in time and say Franklin Delano Roosevelt would have ever apologized for American actions, or bowed to foreign Head of State? We don't do those things because that displays weakness. The USA is far from weak in world events. We are weak when it comes to defending our country from within. Our soldiers are awesome. They can break things and kill people better than any in the world. However, our courts and our general population is weak when it comes to defending the rights, the culture, and the American way of life that our military provides for us. Don't be surprised if one day our military discovers that Americans are the greatest threat to America and turn the guns in our direction.
Chris, Roosevelt didn't HAVE to apologize for the USA back when the USA helped save the world from Nazism. On the other hand, Bush's legacy and the hatred that his tenure engendered in the rest of the world made Obama's actions not only necessary but courageous and laudably admirable. Humility is the mark of a great strength. YOu don't command respect by demanding it; it is given freely based upon perception.
If people perceive Obama as "anti-American", perhaps that's more a reflection of their own warped values of what they hold as "American". I certainly don't see him that way at all.
I will agree wit yhou however that the greatest threat comes from within our country, but it's not from any "Liberal" component–its from the corporate/Christian fascists who are using religion to inflame and incite religious-based wrath and tactics of distraction to quietly destroy this country from within on an economic level. The "invasion" is already here–and all the guns in America aren't going to do squat to stop it if the Republicans ever gain control.
Rena Theriault Blanchard Of course I"m against burning the flag.
Liberal groups accross the country continue to try to remove the American flag from America. They know what the flag represents, and know they can never remove the strong beliefs and pride of.
Americans as long as that flag flies.
I expect a lot of true Americans wouldn't have fought so bravely for what the flag represents, had they.
known groups like this would pop up one day and try to make the value of their lives (or loss thereof).
nill.
Those of you who feel the need to dishoner the flag, or remove it from the American way of life have.
no business here, and are not welcome here.
If you feel you have a better way to run a country, by all means go do that, but do it somewhere else.
Stop chipping away at our American intitutions, beliefs and pride, and leave our flag to fly as the one true bastion of freedom…
Matt, speaking as a proud Liberal, I can tell you that I'm not for removing the flag from anything that DESERVES its patriotic honor. Nor does any "Liberal group" that I know of?
But a "kiddie train"?! Who do you want the flag to be used as a fetish object to adorn a mall kiddie ride?! Doesn't anything inside of you recoil almost reflexively at such a profane misuse of our great patriotic symbol?
Matt, speaking as a proud Liberal, I can tell you that I'm not for removing the flag from anything that DESERVES its patriotic honor. Nor does any "Liberal group" that I know of?
But a "kiddie train"?! Who do you want the flag to be used as a fetish object to adorn a mall kiddie ride?! Doesn't anything inside of you recoil almost reflexively at such a profane misuse of our great patriotic symbol?
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz A good portion of American trains have our flag displayed in one way or another. Especially replica trains, mini trains etc. Your choice of the word "fetish object" makes me wonder why you chose that phrase..it seems odd, nor is it (since it is used quite extensively on trains) considered a "misuse" of a great patriotic symbol.
I will say that it should be displayed in the appropriate manner though. So that part I will agree with you.
Paige, I agree that a well-placed little flag flying at the corners of say, a locomotive carrying some significant or historical purpose is an inspirational thing to see–and the flag adds a nice panache to the symbol of American enterprise and pluck in penetrating the frontier.
But a mall train? Ugh. I lament the overuse of the flag, the "fetish-like" aspect of sticking it on everything from bumpers of winter-beaters, to notebook covers, to gaudy pencils for no other purpose than writing grocery lists. It's been just plain overused to the point of robbing it of the awe that SHOULD come with seeing it displayed in its righteous glory.
Paige, I agree that a well-placed little flag flying at the corners of say, a locomotive carrying some significant or historical purpose is an inspirational thing to see–and the flag adds a nice panache to the symbol of American enterprise and pluck in penetrating the frontier.
But a mall train? Ugh. I lament the overuse of the flag, the "fetish-like" aspect of sticking it on everything from bumpers of winter-beaters, to notebook covers, to gaudy pencils for no other purpose than writing grocery lists. It's been just plain overused to the point of robbing it of the awe that SHOULD come with seeing it displayed in its righteous glory.
Are you kidding me z? I spent 20 years in the Army defending this great nation and the Flag. You are not only an idiot but totally unAmerican. No way in hell would i "recoil reflexively" at anything the US Flag adorns. You are the type of person that is bringing this wonderful nation to its knees. The Flag, OUR FLAG deserves to be anywhere and everywhere. If you dont like it, get the hell out and take all ur liberal asses with you.
Are you kidding me z? I spent 20 years in the Army defending this great nation and the Flag. You are not only an idiot but totally unAmerican. No way in hell would i "recoil reflexively" at anything the US Flag adorns. You are the type of person that is bringing this wonderful nation to its knees. The Flag, OUR FLAG deserves to be anywhere and everywhere. If you dont like it, get the hell out and take all ur liberal asses with you.
ZZZ, you are changing your tune. It was obviously impossible for you to defend your indefensible stance. You have lost all credibilty! The flag is displayed on a kids' ride by a proud veteran. He put his life on the line for this country, and he wants to display the flag on his train. You have a problem with that. The fact that you would refer to this veteran's displaying a flag as his "FETISH" with the flag is disgraceful and shameful! According to you, this is also a "profane misuse of our great patriotic symbol". This is your OPINION to which you are entitled. But most of us support this veteran and are glad to see that a flag is displayed around children!!! I NEVER "recoil" at our flag being proudly displayed! NEVER!
Oh BRRRRUTHER! No, I'm not kidding you, William Cox. Talk about "reading what you want to hear" in my comment. Did I not say I was proud of my country? Did I not state the value of patriotism? So apparently you think that we should just jump up and salute any red, white, and blue that adorns a coffee cup, trinket, or toothbrush holder just because some moron thought it would be "patriotic" to adorn some meaningless object with it?
Do you have any idea what that flag you fought for MEANS?! Hint: it's not a corporate logo or a cute mascot icon to be plastered onto common pedestrian objects.
Paula Theobald Coulter "Changing my tune"? Not at all, Paula. Maybe you just lack the comprehension to understand a nuanced answer that isn't a simplified slogan?
If you DON'T "recoil reflexively" at the insipid expropriation of the due honoring of this national symbol by it's offensive plastering over the most mundane of articles, perhaps you'd better remember that it's a symbol worth dying for in its magnanimity. Your kind would reduce it to utter banality.
I most definately know what it means. I gave everything I had to this country just short of my life. I helped put several of my soldiers in body bags that died for our Flag. The only thing i recoil from is knowing I fought and bled for morons like you. Just a side note, using big words dont make you appear smart or help get ur point across. It makes you more and more obnoxious and irritating.
Sorry, William–I try to speak coherently and use properly descriptive words to convey an accurate picture of my intent and meaning. If I spoke over your grade level, I apologize. There's always "Dictionary online"?
Really?? There is an actual dictionary online? Oh wow, what will they think of next. Im just a good ole boy from Louisiana that some would call a redneck. I is sorry masser if I struck a nerve. I did go to college and actually earned a degree. So just so you know, I understood all ur big ole words. Just wasnt impressed.
William I for one thank you for your your service to our Flag and your sacrifice for my families freedom. it is obvious to me that ZZZ is a liberal and an atheist. which means he is book smart but not spiritually grounded. thus he does not understand the meaning of sacrifice. I will pray for him, and be grateful for men like you the gentleman who graciouslly shows his pride for The USA!!!!
I'm glad that you "weren't impressed", William, because that was never my intention. Your attempt to infer that it was preceded my snarky remark. I don't know why, but some people give me this flack for the way that I speak naturally. When I was a young kid I read Jack London and Edgar Allen Poe with a dictionary by my side because I was sick of not knowing what the hell they were saying, and I "grew a vocabulary" so to speak. I meant nothing whatsoever how you interpreted it.
I return to you the respect you deserve as a veteran and hope you re-read my posts to see that I'm actually on YOUR SIDE.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz, you're a pedantic ass.
The flag on the train doesnt bother me as long as it is done in good taste, it's the communities that are making fire departments remove flags, homeowners associations telling vets they cant fly flags, and schools or business that are afraid of offending those who are not of US orgin. They are in America, if they get offended seeing a U.S flag they need to go back to their own country
William Cox, I would like to see what this asshat zzzz looks like! If he is so tough on the internet, why not grow some balls and show a face? He is a chickenshit liberal that needs a good ass kicking! Lets see your pic you fricken punk zzz! I hate liberals with a passion! Come see me bitch!!!
William Cox, thank you for your service and them fish look awesome!!
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz – YOU make me recoil at your comments…. Read the story again — it's what this man does for a living now, after proudly serving his country — he is a war veteran, he instills patriotism in kids and families and others via the display of the flag and flag symbols on this train that he operates. And dude, I don't know what liberal group you're speaking of that doesn't want to remove the flag, but pretty much ALL of the ones I am aware of today are ALL about removing the flag, along with pretty much anything else that represents America. But blather on if you must — nobody's listens after a certain point. Remember that.
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz Then you need to protest all American's who wear clothes displaying the flag, all public transportation that displays the flag, and anything else that shows a flag except a flag flying from a pole. This man is a patriot and if he wants to display the flag on his train, that is his right.
Actually if you read the US Flag Code (yes it is federal law, though it carries no penalty), there are certain ways the flag should not be used. From the Code:
"The flag should not be used as "wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery""
"The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose. It should not be embroidered, printed, or otherwise impressed on such articles as cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins, boxes, or anything intended to be discarded after temporary use."
"The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way."
"The flag should not be used as part of a costume or athletic uniform, except that a flag patch may be used on the uniform of military personnel, firefighters, police officers, and members of patriotic organizations."
"In a parade, the flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle, railroad train, or boat."
Seems that last one would preclude its use on the train, as it is draped over the hood. Sorry, but I'm with Zizzer on this one, and I'm especially surprised that the veterans speaking here who fought so hard for the flag would not support the very US Federal Law that dictates how it should be displayed respectfully. I'm all for patriotism and flag display, but only as done respectfully and appropriately.
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz .lol you talk about fetishes but we have open homosexuality Most recoil from that .Libearls have attacked anything resembling morality .Libreals are the true enemy of America
From the US Flag code:The U.S. Flag should not be used as a cover for desk, podium, or any object except for the casket of one who has served our country. The American Flag is not to be draped directly upon the remains of a deceased (see casket). A flag is not to be used as a decoration; bunting; or any other purpose other than specified by established flag etiquette.
So now this mall is a 'liberal group'? I'm sure Obama himself tours the country in secret, going to out of the way rural malls looking for flags that he can order to be taken down.
So now this mall is a 'liberal group'? I'm sure Obama himself tours the country in secret, going to out of the way rural malls looking for flags that he can order to be taken down.
Ryan Copeland *The malls train, which if they want to remain unadorned, is THEIR right
Ryan Copeland *The malls train, which if they want to remain unadorned, is THEIR right
JR Token How is homosexuality immoral? How are liberals any more of an enemy than conservatives who plunged the nation into our current disastrous 'Drug War"?
JR Token How is homosexuality immoral? How are liberals any more of an enemy than conservatives who plunged the nation into our current disastrous 'Drug War"?
William Cox Unless you fought in the Revolution, you never fought 'for your country' brother. Just because a politician started a war and you were young and foolhardy enough to go and fight does not mean you know any more about liberty than anyone else, and you bring shame on yourself for insisting you do.
JR Token, ha ha, show me WHERE I have an "open homosexuality", you fool? I'm happily engaged to a woman that would make your filthy mouth drool, fool.
JR Token, ha ha, show me WHERE I have an "open homosexuality", you fool? I'm happily engaged to a woman that would make your filthy mouth drool, fool.
Ginger Saur France Thank you, Ginger, although I"m sure none of these histrionic nitwits will acknowledge your valuable conribution!!!
Ginger Saur France Thank you, Ginger, although I"m sure none of these histrionic nitwits will acknowledge your valuable conribution!!!
JR Token By the way, JR–YOU have an avatar of what appears to be a man dressed in some fuzzy seal suit and sucking on a pacifier or something, and you want to accuse ME of "an open homosexuality"?!?!
Thanks for the hearty laugh!! LOL!!!
JR Token By the way, JR–YOU have an avatar of what appears to be a man dressed in some fuzzy seal suit and sucking on a pacifier or something, and you want to accuse ME of "an open homosexuality"?!?!
Thanks for the hearty laugh!! LOL!!!
Mike, Gordon thank you. Tyris….I was never foolhearty to defend MY country and its liberties. You my friend are an idiot for thinking that I should be shameful for anything. Obviously you never joined the military, for lack of courage or because you think you are too good to give something back to this great nation. Just remember that if it wasnt for people like me, you wouldnt have the freedom you do. I feel sorry for you and really hate that I am my fellow soldiers put out lives on the live for knuckleheads like you.
You have a very high opinion of yourself. What war did you fight in? Vietnam? They never threatened us, and seeing as how we lost, I can't say they ever followed us home and did us harm. Iraq, either time? Again, they never threatened us, and going over there only convinced the people there that we were evil warmongers. Afghanistan? Same deal, the Afghans never attacked us, AlQaeda did, and they boogied out while we were busy bombing and killing the Afghans. There is literally NO SINGLE CONFLICT that could have possibly occurred within your lifetime that you could have fought in and even claim to have been 'defending liberty'. You're just another servant of people like Obama. I hope you're happy knowing how much harm you're doing to a country and people you claim to love yet voluntarily diminish the rights and freedoms of.
Why do so many people object to the American flag? What is wrong with those people? If they don't want to see it, move to another country. It is treason to dislike our flag!
The liberals don't want american pride or elements of our culture to offend muslims and other people who move to this country. If other people are offended, that is their problem; not ours. If Obama gets reelected, the next thing to be protested will be the national anthem at sporting events.
Muslims are Americans too, John.
A "melting pot"—remember?!!?
Muslims are Americans too, John.
A "melting pot"—remember?!!?
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz True, a "melting pot" is what America is supposed to be. Instead we have everyone from other countries coming here and objecting to what makes up America. Our flag, our culture etc., They want it their way instead of MELTING in and becoming an American which includes having pride in our country and our flag for which it stands.
Paige, I ask with utter sincerity–WHO is "objecting to what makes up America"?! WHO? Seriously–are you just repeating what you've heard, or do you have any references and sources of integrity to cite? Because the immigrants that I know-and I DO live around quite a few–are respectful, hard-working people who never have let on to me that they want to do anything BUT become "real" Americans!
When I hear people repeat this canard, I honestly want to know if you're just talking up a strawman–or if you have some source of information that actually presents truthful information worth citing?
I believe that it was Truman who said (I'm paraphrasing) Every man woman and child is welcome in America, but they need to embrace America and that includes citizenship and a common language. It makes no difference where you're from or what your religion is, if you don't like it here you can leave. You have rights and one of them entitles you to the pursuit of happiness. If you're not happy then go somewhere else so you can be.
Maybe what they are saying, ZZZ, is that it behooves us all to be AMERICANS and not something-American. As Teddy Roosevelt said, and I agree, "It is our boast that we admit the immigrant to full fellowship and equality with the native-born. In return we demand that he shall share our undivided allegiance to the one flag which floats over all of us." If immigrants who come here 'don't melt', they need to return to whence they came.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, not all Muslims are Americans, just as not all American are Muslim.
Paige Ketcham – People want to see where we are heading if nothing changes . . . Argentina.
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz, how about you put your real picture up and lets see how much crap you talk! Stop hiding behind a child cartoon picture and show us who you are! I bet someone will meet up with you real soon! Then lets see the after picture! Fricken punk!!
Paige Ketcham EXCELLENT RESPONSE! Thank you for that!
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz And no, ZZZ, Muslims are NOT Americans. They CAN be, but not all of them are Americans nor do they want to be. Don't generalize.
Paige….well said!
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz
The problem with that is alot of Muslims feel offended by the US flag and alot of NON-Muslim dummies cater to them. That blows my mind. God forbid Jews, Christians, and Buddhists get to bypass the American law with crap like Sharia. Thats not fair at all.
True Paige, the problem lies with our politicians who allow it for one reason only. Votes, they like the gravy train they are in.
True Paige, the problem lies with our politicians who allow it for one reason only. Votes, they like the gravy train they are in.
Gordon Blankenship "I bet someone will meet up with you real soon" Like who Gordie? You
?? You gonna beat him up or something tough guy? Can't handle a different opinion than yours without resorting to violence,eh? If I were you I'd remove the picture of your fat face and replace it with some "child cartoon pictue"? From the looks of you the most threat you could pose would be to sweat bacon grease all over someone. Internet tough guys really make me laugh.
Paige Ketcham, your statement is out standing.
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz ,GOD,THE AMERICAN FLAG ,THE CONSTITUTION ARE OUR MOST PRICELESS VALUES WE AMERICANS HAVE
Yes it is a melting pot, but some of the slag floats and needs to be skimmed off.
I fail to see how the people immigrating here haven't melted into our society. I think you're just focusing on the fact that they didn't shed every last bit of their former identity and take up traditional Americana like baseball, apple pie and Christianity. Just because some people want to retain and share their native culture does not mean they are failing to blend in with society.
I fail to see how the people immigrating here haven't melted into our society. I think you're just focusing on the fact that they didn't shed every last bit of their former identity and take up traditional Americana like baseball, apple pie and Christianity. Just because some people want to retain and share their native culture does not mean they are failing to blend in with society.
Please, please, PLEASE look up the definition of 'treason'. As Inigo Montoya said, "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
And no, its not my place to move so that I don't have to see the flag displayed on my private property. If I own a mall, and I own a train within that mall, then I have the right to tell the train operator that he has to have any decorations that he puts on MY train approved by ME, the OWNER, first. And if you don't like it, you can move somewhere you can see the flag fly all day long.
Gordon Blankenship Uh-oh everybody, look out! We have an internet tough guy on our hands!
Hector Santacruz Its telling and scary that you would put god and the government above liberty and justice. I can do without God. I can't do without freedom.
David Florea And at what point would you consider them 'melted'? Honestly? If they learn English, get a job and attain citizenship, would that be enough? No? What if they stopped dressing in the manner of their home nation? No? Do they have to convert to Christianity? Vote Republican? Have a picture of Washington in their home? At what point does melting give way to blind, white-washing assimilation?
Not unless they are natural born and live by the American laws, not the muslim's. Our flag is the OUR flag for ALL AMERICANS and if you cannot respect it as YOUR flag, find another to live under.
So what you're saying is, we the people only live here at the pleasure of the government, and if we disagree with their authority then we forfeit all rights to live here? So if I object to Obamas new healthcare law, I'm not a patriot and therefore should leave?
Gordon, I"m so pretty that you would fall in love with me….and then the Rightwingers would ostracize you for your man-crush. Be carefulw hat you wish for!
Hector Santacruz I"ll agree with you on everything but the "God" part of it, Deal? See? We can find common ground–not that there was EVER any doubt about my patriotism.
Hector Santacruz I"ll agree with you on everything but the "God" part of it, Deal? See? We can find common ground–not that there was EVER any doubt about my patriotism.
Hector Santacruz I"ll agree with you on everything but the "God" part of it, Deal? See? We can find common ground–not that there was EVER any doubt about my patriotism.
Hector Santacruz I"ll agree with you on everything but the "God" part of it, Deal? See? We can find common ground–not that there was EVER any doubt about my patriotism.
Bill Randolph I don't sanction that at all, Bill. I'm all for assimilation and melting into our culture.
Bill Randolph I don't sanction that at all, Bill. I'm all for assimilation and melting into our culture.
Yeah they respect the flag now after they learned they would be losing money. Goofs
the mall managers should all commit sepuku,,,,,,, in public,,, stupid bastards..
I SECOND THAT,GOOD FOR YOU
What a violent, interesting response. I see you leave no room for rational discourse and free speech.
What a violent, interesting response. I see you leave no room for rational discourse and free speech.
Am I allowed to cheer for American athletes in the Olympics? Everyone is being programmed by the media and the schools to be ashamed to be an American.
Am I allowed to cheer for American athletes in the Olympics? Everyone is being programmed by the media and the schools to be ashamed to be an American.
JUST NBC
Its not the media that makes me want to distance myself from America, its the American government.
Its not the media that makes me want to distance myself from America, its the American government.
Tyris, if you want to distance yourself feel free to move somwhere else.
Tyris, if you want to distance yourself feel free to move somwhere else.
I'll keep my freedoms, thanks. Its always blown my mind that if I object to the war, people tell me to leave. But if I told someone to leave for objecting to the new healthcare law, then suddenly that doesn't apply anymore.
Typical hypocrite tyris. You want what you can have for free, but dont want to give anything back or fight for what is given to you. God how I hate knowing I fought for you. And yes I said "GOD."
William Cox Who's being hypocritical? I happen to oppose the healthcare law. I'm just pointing out that the hypocrisy of telling someone to leave for disagreeing, and then insisting that when YOU disagree its no longer the dissenter that should go.
BTW, you never ever fought for me. I don't care what war you claim to have fought in, it wasn't in America's best interest and did more harm to the US than good. So I hope you're happy knowing how your selfishness hurt the rest of us.
It's amazing that the people who ruin their throats yelling about how wonderful American freedom is are the first to strongly suggest that anyone who disagrees with them simply leave. Often times, the suggested destination is Canada, a country that is now wealthier than the United States on a per capita basis.
I've been hearing this same set of questionable claims since I was in middle school US history class and a few of my young classmates who had never once been outside of the country kept it up with the same old blind insistence that the US comes first in all things, no exceptions.
I'm so bored of tribalism. I'm sad that my native country doesn't seem to be.
It amazes me how 20 or 30 years ago people feared such disrespect. Now it happens every day and it started with flag burning and got worse from there. When will we as a society stop letting this happen We need more people to stand up like this guy did and show the world we won't stand for it. This is The United States of America, Founded under the principles of Life Liberty and The Pursuit of Happiness. No one should be allowed to infringe on that no one, and it goes back further than The current president its been building for decades and it needs to stop.
This is exactly why it's happening. With the general uber-tolerance that we have now, going past PC and into extreme hoping never to offend anyone, we've moved it here ourselves as a country.
When our commander in chief stands up and apologizes for our country,- specifically for us thinking that we are the best country in the world… (!!?) Why would be respect and care of the flag get better??
So basically you're advocating the destruction of free speech.
So basically you're advocating the destruction of free speech.
I want the names of the people responsible.
I am glad they let the ol' Red, White and Blue fly!
am curious to know, and it may have no relevance, the company owner (private or public) nationality of the mall i.e. US company, US Citizen, Netherlands company etc.
"We honor, support and respect what the United States flag represents…” Ya think so? If you did, this would never have come up and you wouldn't look stupid right now.
All because of the dummies who got on the OBumo kick and follow his anti American quest.
while I agree the flag should be displayed proudly , it should also be displayed correctly and the law states directly that he is displaying his flag against federal law…..
"The flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle or.
of a railroad train or a boat. When the flag is displayed on a motorcar, the staff.
should be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender."
just sayin…bur kudos to this man for fighting for what is right.
while I agree the flag should be displayed proudly , it should also be displayed correctly and the law states directly that he is displaying his flag against federal law…..
"The flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle or.
of a railroad train or a boat. When the flag is displayed on a motorcar, the staff.
should be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender."
just sayin…bur kudos to this man for fighting for what is right.
I concur, folks need to read the flag code and get up to speed on the proper way to display and treat the flag.
While you make a valid point, the issue wasn't HOW it was being displayed, but that it WAS being displayed. The mall management was trying to be PC and it bit them on the backside when their customers started to complain.
In a parade, the flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle, railroad train, or boat. When the flag is displayed on a motorcar, the staff shall be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender HELLO ..
In a parade, the flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle, railroad train, or boat. When the flag is displayed on a motorcar, the staff shall be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender HELLO ..
I used to live in Oregon and visit this mall a lot. Wow glad I left this liberal state behind and moved to Indiana were they still have morals and values and were people stand and guys remove there hats when the flag is going by.
Me too David! I moved across the river and it is so much better! Everyone over here gets along with one another, and there are flags flying everywhere! Oregon is going to be nothing but bums real soon. Nobody to pay or take care of nothing, but the government still wants their money!!
Someone in management wrote that note / policy……they should be fired for being a moron if for nothing else.
So much of this lately. Don't the idiots that try to force the removal of the flag realize that they never win and the public outcry always overrides them? If the lefty pukes who try this are so afraid of offending some other group, which in itself is puzzling, perhaps they should remember that the flag was here before that group and that the group in question is obliged to respect it if they choose to live here. The world is a big place and they can go somewhere else if that is unacceptable.
I think America is becoming a farce. Stand-up comics have it too easy there. A flag of your country not on the approved display list. This is an unwritten rule. Ban flags on trains but let an idiot buy $3000 worth of ammo and mow down people at a theatre. Does anyone see a problem here?
Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz,,,, Amazing You use a childs book character as your handle, and that speaks volumes to your true perception of things. In the Suess world of Green eggs and Ham, people like BAN FOOD Bloomberg and America is "LAZY" Obama (Quote from Barrack Hussien Obama, June 2011) do not exist. This my friend is the real world, it has walls, and those walls must be guarded by men with guns, Who is going to do it? You Zizzer zazzer Zuzz? You Barrack Obama? No it will be people like me and a couple of million other people who believe in the RED/WHITE/BLUE, and that we should be proud in every respect of the sacrifice made by those who wear that flag, as I did on my uniform in the Army. To censor, the display, the respect and symbolism of the Flag, so as to not OFFEND muslims who "BEG" to come here is both contradictory, and hateful. If you are black, brown or green and you come to this country, or even sneak into it. You observe it's culture, it's traditions and our way of life. I display the flag at home,, in my work area,, and every aspect of my life, as I remember those who fought for it, and died for it,,, and lastly were buried beneath a draped coffin, as the ultimate sacrifice.
What the fuck does this story even have to do with muslims you ignorant twat? What the fuck does this story have to do with Obama? What does this story have to do with illegal immigration? You are seriously brainwashed by Faux News and the right. I pity you, poor fool.
What the fuck does this story even have to do with muslims you ignorant twat? What the fuck does this story have to do with Obama? What does this story have to do with illegal immigration? You are seriously brainwashed by Faux News and the right. I pity you, poor fool.
Not to mention that your basis for disagreeing is his name on the internet, which is an ad hominem fallacy.
Tony, what is your damage? I have stated NUMEROUS TIMES here my honest and enthusiastic support for the flag, for this nation, and for patriotism. Respect for soldiers, for morality, etc—you seem to be content to let the others here who are posting sheer hate and ignorance inform your opinion? THE FLAG CODE ITSELF says that: "The U.S. Flag should not be used as a cover for desk, podium, or any object except for the casket of one who has served our country. The American Flag is not to be draped directly upon the remains of a deceased (see casket). A flag is not to be used as a decoration; bunting; or any other purpose other than specified by established flag etiquette. "
I'm only arguing that the flag is being misused and disrespected by being used in a free-for-all fashion,and that it's time that people stop looking at it as a meaningless pop symbol and giving it some significance as a symbol of awe and respect!
Please reorient your understanding of MY standing. I'm WITH YOU ON THIS!
Tony, what is your damage? I have stated NUMEROUS TIMES here my honest and enthusiastic support for the flag, for this nation, and for patriotism. Respect for soldiers, for morality, etc—you seem to be content to let the others here who are posting sheer hate and ignorance inform your opinion? THE FLAG CODE ITSELF says that: "The U.S. Flag should not be used as a cover for desk, podium, or any object except for the casket of one who has served our country. The American Flag is not to be draped directly upon the remains of a deceased (see casket). A flag is not to be used as a decoration; bunting; or any other purpose other than specified by established flag etiquette. "
I'm only arguing that the flag is being misused and disrespected by being used in a free-for-all fashion,and that it's time that people stop looking at it as a meaningless pop symbol and giving it some significance as a symbol of awe and respect!
Please reorient your understanding of MY standing. I'm WITH YOU ON THIS!
TYRIS: Once you have made life changing sacrifices, for your fellow man, in the defense of this country things become as the man says: "Crystal clear". Being in High School, or college in no way prepares you for the harsh reality, that is mankind. All the video games, and movies in the world do not prepare you to deal with what is really out there. All combat is personal, all challenges from enemies both foreign and domestic are personal. That piece of cloth, may something to you, but to others it is a standard, a symbol, a code to live your life by. If you ever get to attend a full military funeral at Arlington, you cannot help but be touched, by the sacrifice of the warrior, and what that flag means to his family. You can spew your flame, and "rock on dude", and I and others like me will continue to make your world safe and warm. You Blithely, criticize me and my opinion of the failed politicians, yet your offer nothing in return. Once you drop your ignorant profanity, maybe one day you can join in an intelligent conversation. Until then, go down and see a recruiter and maybe, just maybe you will earn the right.
TYRIS: Once you have made life changing sacrifices, for your fellow man, in the defense of this country things become as the man says: "Crystal clear". Being in High School, or college in no way prepares you for the harsh reality, that is mankind. All the video games, and movies in the world do not prepare you to deal with what is really out there. All combat is personal, all challenges from enemies both foreign and domestic are personal. That piece of cloth, may something to you, but to others it is a standard, a symbol, a code to live your life by. If you ever get to attend a full military funeral at Arlington, you cannot help but be touched, by the sacrifice of the warrior, and what that flag means to his family. You can spew your flame, and "rock on dude", and I and others like me will continue to make your world safe and warm. You Blithely, criticize me and my opinion of the failed politicians, yet your offer nothing in return. Once you drop your ignorant profanity, maybe one day you can join in an intelligent conversation. Until then, go down and see a recruiter and maybe, just maybe you will earn the right.
Who owns the mall. Many American retail institutions are owned by foreign nationals, or our-govt sponsered "refugees". Many of these do not know or follow our laws or culture. Maybe they got offended. But, this is the good old US of A and we love our flag.
To General Growth Properties, I have read with great concern that the management of your Clackamas Town Center considers the American flag "inappropriate visuals" to be seen by children. While it is unlikely I will ever visit Clackamas, I would like to know if this is corporate policy of General Growth Properties or is a local decision. Please don't suggest the decision was reversed under pressure. Only the outcome was changed, not the anti American thinking by management which led to it. Thank you.
Is this for real? This is national news? No way. Why would anyone report nationally on a kiddie train not having an American flag? This has to be a joke, it's too stupid to be real.
Check out who the mall owner is. Almost guaranteed not an American. We have the same issues in a California Mall. Employees in the stores in the mall are more and more those who speak Farsi. Of Middle Eastern descent.
Check out who the mall owner is. Almost guaranteed not an American. We have the same issues in a California Mall. Employees in the stores in the mall are more and more those who speak Farsi. Of Middle Eastern descent.
Actually if you read the US Flag Code (yes it is federal law, though it carries no penalty), there are certain ways the flag should not be used. From the Code:
"The flag should not be used as "wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery"".
"The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose. It should not be embroidered, printed, or otherwise impressed on such articles as cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins, boxes, or anything intended to be discarded after temporary use."
"The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way."
"The flag should not be used as part of a costume or athletic uniform, except that a flag patch may be used on the uniform of military personnel, firefighters, police officers, and members of patriotic organizations."
"In a parade, the flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle, railroad train, or boat."
Seems that last one would preclude its use on the train, as it is draped over the hood. Sorry, but I'm with Zizzer on this one, and I'm especially surprised that the veterans speaking here who fought so hard for the flag would not support the very US Federal Law that dictates how it should be displayed respectfully. I'm all for patriotism and flag display, but only as done respectfully and appropriately.
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Actually if you read the US Flag Code (yes it is federal law, though it carries no penalty), there are certain ways the flag should not be used. From the Code:
"The flag should not be used as "wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery"".
"The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose. It should not be embroidered, printed, or otherwise impressed on such articles as cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins, boxes, or anything intended to be discarded after temporary use."
"The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way."
"The flag should not be used as part of a costume or athletic uniform, except that a flag patch may be used on the uniform of military personnel, firefighters, police officers, and members of patriotic organizations."
"In a parade, the flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle, railroad train, or boat."
Seems that last one would preclude its use on the train, as it is draped over the hood. Sorry, but I'm with Zizzer on this one, and I'm especially surprised that the veterans speaking here who fought so hard for the flag would not support the very US Federal Law that dictates how it should be displayed respectfully. I'm all for patriotism and flag display, but only as done respectfully and appropriately.
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Keep fighting the good fight…Never give up! Boycott the mall and support this train! Whoever made this decision needs a one way ticket to a country that would appreciate their Anti-American stance! I'm sure they'd be free to voice their nonsense in some Anti-American country! Money talks – BOYCOTT!
Liberals the true enemy of America..forget elections we need to have a revulotion you cant talk to a liberal beside Obama is buying votes with is policys. Nothing justfies not having a flag. Nothing supports rewritting the 1st amendment. The liberals are traitors thru and thru.
Don't forget, Oregon has gone Socialist.
Liberals don't want American pride? Wow I am a Liberal, a veteran and I am very proud of my Country and what it stands for.
To all of the pedantics who keep bringing up US Flag Code…IT ISN'T LAW. While I do agree that the flag should be treated with dignity, I am also reasonable enough to take into account the intent of the person wearing, displaying, bearing it, etc. At this stage in the game, I'm happy enough to see people show it any way at all, if they are doing it proudly.
You don't just throw the flag up willy-nilly just so it's there. It is owed respect and by condoning improper display you just perpetuate the disrespect.
You're right, Sarah…I'm just as bad as the people who want to ban the flag…maybe worse.
I've noticed that Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz is pretty much the Biggest troll I've ever seen…..or mildly retarded…..one of the 2….not sure which at this point.
I've noticed that Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz is pretty much the Biggest troll I've ever seen…..or mildly retarded…..one of the 2….not sure which at this point.
It's funny how I appear that way to people who can't logically refute a good argument and who are intimidated by an erudite, intelligently-posed opinion, Adam. You inadvertently made an admission about yourself just now…
It's funny how I appear that way to people who can't logically refute a good argument and who are intimidated by an erudite, intelligently-posed opinion, Adam. You inadvertently made an admission about yourself just now…
No brainer. The American Flag if flown or displayed properly should NEVER be an issue!
I'm somewhat concerned about this type of flag display. It is not proper flag etiquette to use a flag as decoration. Flags have been displayed on locomotives, but flown as flags, not decorating the boiler. While this is a small point, I still find it disturbing and I believe does not show proper respect for the flag.
THANT'S GOD THAT WE STILL HAVE BRAVE MEN IN THIS COUNTRY FULL OF AMERICANS HATERS.
THOMAS , IM SO PROUD TO BE PART OF THIS GREAT COUNTRY, GOD BLESS YOU.
I used to live in Oregon, moved to Oklahoma. Very glad I did! Oregon is full of liberals, and druggie bums who mooch off the government! I have a sister that is lliterally are going to doctors to try to get put on disability, just so she won't have to work. And the doctors are doing it! Their philosophy there, "let the government take care of ya".
This isn't a news story. Todd Starnes is nothing but an agitator. "Some mall in the middle of nowhere has a policy against non-pre-approved decorations. Clearly its a liberal conspiracy to take away our guns and convert us to Gay Islam!"
This isn't a news story. Todd Starnes is nothing but an agitator. "Some mall in the middle of nowhere has a policy against non-pre-approved decorations. Clearly its a liberal conspiracy to take away our guns and convert us to Gay Islam!"
BACKPEDAL BACKPEDAL BACKPEDAL BACKPEDAL BACKPEDAL BACKPEDAL BACKPEDAL.
Doesn't the US Flag Code prohibit displaying the flag on the train though?
My comment to Clarkamas Town Mall after they told a veteran to remove the American Flag from the kiddie ride that he operates on the grounds.
It is a real shame when you tell a man that he can't put our country's flag on his kiddie train ride. Garbage rules like that are ruining this country. Who will the American flag offend? Non Americans? If so than that's tough because they shouldn't be here if they don't respect our country. I suggest you people leave him alone, and start flying some American flags of your own, or I will petition this across all social media. I am not the only one. If you are unpatriotic to this country then with all due respect please leave.
and their response to me…
Mr. Abel,
Thank you for contacting me with your feedback.
We honor, support and respect what the United States flag represents. The actions and letter that were communicated certainly did not convey that. And for this, we apologize. We can see how many were offended. It was never the intent to offend or show any disrespect. The U.S. flag will remain displayed at the kiddie train and in other locations within the mall. We wholeheartedly support those who fight to allow us and everyone else to display the flag. Clackamas Town Center hosts and sponsors events every year that recognize and honor these and other heroes and will continue to do so.
Thank you,
Dennis A. Curtis, CSM
Senior General Manager.