Nov 16, 2011
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A group of New York lawmakers and public officials are demanding that a taxpayer-funded museum in Brooklyn remove an art exhibit that includes a film depicting ants crawling on a crucifix – calling it another example of “Christian bashing.”
“This is an outrageous use of taxpayer money by the nation’s second-largest art museum, and an obvious attempt to offend Christians on the eve of one of the holiest times of the Christian faith,” wrote Staten Island Borough President James Molinaro in a letter to the museum director.
A total of seven Conservatives and Republicans signed the letter. Molinaro said Democratic lawmakers were also invited to sign, but he said they all declined.
“It’s fashionable to beat up on the Christians,” he told Fox News. “No one complains about it.”
“A Fire in My Belly” is part of a larger collection going on display at the Brooklyn Museum that explores how gender and sexual identity have shaped American art. The film, by David Wojnarowicz, was pulled from the National Portrait Gallery in Washington, D.C., after members of Congress expressed outrage and a Catholic advocacy group labeled the art “sacrilegious.”
This same museum once featured an exhibit that showed Mother Mary covered in elephant dung.
Brooklyn Museum Director Arnold Lehman defended the film telling the Associated Press it was “such an important aspect of American art in the 20th century.”
“My hope is that this will be an extraordinarily important way in which to bring the entire city together to celebrate American art during this last century,” he told the AP.
Lehman declined to comment on the lawmaker’s letter. The museum said it encourages patrons with concerns about the artwork to view it in person.
“That’s the dumbest statement a man can make,” Molinaro told Fox News. “What is it to look at? Does it get better if I look at ants crawling up the nostril of Jesus?”
“It’s absolutely outrageous,” he said. “They’re bashing the Christians continuously at that museum.”
Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani tried to cut funding from the museum in 1999 after it featured an exhibit that depicted Mary with African features and included clumps of elephant dung and cutouts of female genitalia.
“This is New York City,” Lehman told the AP. “This is a city that has thrived on the incredible contributions from the gay and lesbian community.”
Rep. Michael Grimm (R-NY) was one of the lawmakers who signed Molinaro’s letter. He said this is not a First Amendment issue.
“It’s an issue of how we spend our taxpayer dollars,” he told Fox News. “Everyone has a right to express themselves. At the same time, it doesn’t necessarily mean you have the right to go around offending massive groups of people and have other people pay for it.”
Molinaro and Grimm said the issue should transcend religions.
“I’m a very proud Catholic,” Grimm said. “Do I find this offensive as a Christian? Yes. But I also find it offensive as an American. If it was Islam or if it was Judaism, I would be just as offended as an American.”
“I’m against anything derogatory towards anyone’s faith,” Molinaro said.
And that’s why he’s calling on not just New Yorkers, but people across the country to turn up the heat – and urge the museum to reconsider.
“Everyone should come out against this – regardless if you are a Christian,” he said. “If everyone came out against it, I believe a difference would be made.”
With reporting from the Associated Press
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Why is it that anything that anybody does that the christians don't like is considered christian bashing? Are christians the only ones that are allowed to have an opinion or a point a view. Why do christians have to make everything out to be about them? Why do christians get to bash and hate and if anyone dares to question christian hate and bashing, they are attacked as being anti-christian? Just sayin'.
Because of idiots like YOU !!!
Ummmm….because the film was centered around Christian symbolism being depicted in a negative way? Did you even read the article?
You are Christian bashing by defending this sort of thing. Christians call out Christian bashing when there is clearly the intent such as art created for the purpose of descreting Christ.
How about arbeit macht frei above your door lintel? Would that be OK with you?
Your argument doesn't make any sense. Christians are attacked every day in the public by atheists spewing vile despicable language. You call christians haters just because they disagree. You believe that anyone that doesn't agree with you are spewing hate. When in fact liberals are the most profane group of people I have ever met.
Allen Schrenk are you so dumb that you don't understand The Subject?? Jesus is the reason for Christianity. He has already suffered more than anyone can do or say to him. He Has already had the last word. If you don't heed his message he will harden your heart and your name will be erased from the Book of Life. He created the Book of Life when he created you (all of us) Repent and ask him to come into you heart and life. I will pray for you.
As a Taxpayer, I want a refund!
Ok, then let's get an icon of Mohammad and get ants to crawl over it and take pictures or film. Let's see how that goes over. Or, how about the Koran…
Barry Helton What does "Work makes you free" have to do with this discussion?
More Christian bashing by Democrats.
Allen, what the heck is your problem? We take a lot of crap and don't blow up buildings like Muslims. You mad much?
Allen's problem is called 'progressive-liberalism'. The only cure is a bullet to the head.
Killing people who disagree with you? Sounds legit
No one is supposed to blow up building when they get mad! Are you threatening the rest of us? If not, shut up saying stuff like that – and don't go see this exhibit if you don't want to. There, problem solved.
Problem not solved. Because the problem isn't seeing it or not seeing it. The problem is that tax money is paying for it, which means that the money these people pay in taxes supports this garbage. If you want to bash Christianity that's up to you; but don't expect me to help pay for it!
Sally Linda Edlund The problem is the double standard on display here. You and the rest of the liberal population use the words respect and diversity when someone displays or says something you don't like, examples are people that don't don't want to associate with gays are bigots, or all of the words that are politically incorrect that can't be used. Or public displays of religious symbols that offend simply because you can see it. Your hypocrites of the worse kind.
Sally Linda Edlund So it would be okay to take some photos of gay couples and crap on them, put them on display and call it art? How about crapping on a Koran and displaying that? Fair is fair!
Lee Stern – If you want to go crap on a Koran and call it Art, go for it! Same with a picture of two gay people kissing.
Without a education in theory of Art and a perspective in art, good luck getting anyone to actually percieve your "work" as anything other than hateful, but in your own words, fair is fair. And, so, your argument is?
Bill Rust – Not one of us gets to choose what our tax dollars support. It bothers me that my tax dollars go to pay for funding religious institutions, but I pay my taxes nonetheless. That's one of the freedoms we give up when we live in a democratic republic. Besides, do you know how LITTLE of our taxes actually go to support the arts? A large portion of their monies come from private and public donations, which is great.
One last thing, Bill – if you took the time to actually read about this work of Art, you would indeed find that it's not bashing Christ – rather it's very sympathetic to Christ and how people take advantage of him (represented by the ants). Some would consider it quite beautiful if you looked at it from the perspective of which the artist intended.
Sally Linda Edlund Stop playing stupid, you are confusing the issue. Read it again. I threatened nobody. If this exhibit was bashing Muslims they would go berserk. And who are you, ma'am to tell me to shut up? Oh yeah, I'm a Christian and can't defend my faith non-violently.
How long until Christians exclusively are forced to pay for it?
You think Christians in general get beat up… try being a Mormon Christian ; )
I find "Mormon Christian" to be a self contradictory statement. A group that adds a new supposed revelation, rejects all other Christian groups, teaches polytheism is not Christian.
Isn't it true that Mormons do not believe in the Diety of Jesus Christ? If it is true how can they be Christians?
Frank J Busbey Right, because I forget how being a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, who believes in modern revelation and in God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost is directly opposed to the teachings of Christ, right? Because it makes sense that God would stop revelation after the deaths of his apostles, right? Because the Bible teaches that after an apostasy (lack of the gospel and authority on Earth) God just stops dealing with man, right? I bet you're just another Southern Baptist that is just oh so keen in accepting other Christian groups as well, right? How about you learn the actual facts before you go ahead and bash another Christian religion with the crap you learn from other people that have no idea what the hell they're talking about.
Rick Bush, no that's not true at all. Instead of guessing about what mormons do or don't believe, check out http://www.mormon.org. Everything you ever wondered.
Frank J Busbey, you might be interested in this respectful response to Pastor Jeffress much publicized comments about Mormons. http://www.facebook.com/notes/breeana-shill/a-mormons-respectful-response-to-being-called-a-cult-or-not-christians-this-is-r/10150365913627885
Nick Munson if you know the beginnings of Mormon History. An angel appeared to Joesph Smith and told him of the tablets buried in up state New York and from this the Book of Mormon was written witch according to the LDS is another Gospel of Jesus Christ. I recommend that you read the first chapter the eighth verse of the Book Of Galatians.
Nick Munson: As a student of comparative religion, I believe there are certain things that are commendable in the Mormon religion. For example, Article 12 of the Articles of Faith of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (lds.org/scriptures/pgp/a-of-f/1?lang=eng) states that "we believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers. . . . in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law." That echoes Romans 13:1-7. But all theology is a matter of definitions. A Christian, by definition, is not defined only by behavior but also by beliefs such as the Trinity as defined by the Bible and expressed in the 3 Ecumenical Creeds; the Deity of Jesus, the Deity and eternity of the Holy Spirit, salvation by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8), and much more. Mormonism, by contrast, teaches that "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man. . ." (The Prophet Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 342-345). We need to ask: "Who is Jesus Christ in Mormonism vs. the Jesus Christ of the Bible? What is the archeological evidence for the Book of Mormon vs. the Bible? Did Joseph Smith really know Greek and Hebrew to "correct" the Bible? That is just the beginning. By the way, I have visited the grave of Joseph Smith in Nauvoo, IL, and other Mormon sites in Western Illinois.
A "Mormon Christian" is like a "Jewish Christian" it just isn't so. You don't get to change the basis of a religion to suit your needs.
Nick Munson you sure didn't win anyone over with your last sentence. be ye therefore holy, for I am holy? let your good not be evil spoken of?sound familiar?cuz it should. Jesus sure didn't use that language when he witnessed, in fact when he called out the people trying to stone Mary he didn't even say their sins out loud, he wrote them in the sand. Everyone should remember that we are commanded to pray without ceasing, our lives are to be a prayer unto God and our very actions are part of our witness.notice there are people on here that aren't Christians?try being that light in a dark world and stop giving them ammo
Exactly, Rev. Wartick. I have also been to Nauvoo, which is being rebuilt, and bought up and re-owned, by the Mormon organization. From what I've studied, followers of Jesus The Christ, were first called Christians in Antioch in the first century because these followers believed that the man Jesus was the Christ, the Messiah, Emanuel-which translates as "God With Us"…that He is more, so much more, than a mere man, His nature is divine, "of the I AM". Believing in the divine nature of Jesus, the blessed Christ, is the main, basic tenet for being a Christian. Jesus is NOT just a man, nor is God the Father, as the Mormons believe.
My now grown daughter went to a Mormon "Sunday school" type of thing once. She asked what the lesson had to do with Jesus, and was told, "Nothing. We don't believe that Jesus was anything other than a common man". She didn't stay any longer, she called me to pick up, ASAP.
I have read the Book of Mormon, and there is nothing in it about the divinity of God as Father, Son or Holy Spirit. Christians have more in common with Judaism than with Mormonism.
Mormon Theology if you can call it that.. contradicts Christian theology. To call it "Christian" even denies its own teachings by claiming to be something that it is not… to believe in something that it teaches otherwise. Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God. Not the Brother of the Devil for example… The Apostle Paul (and others) warned of Wolves that would come in and deceive the flocks in the end times… One of the strongest warnings was Galatians 1:6-9 and I would recommend the reading of it… and thinking on it. There is NO new improved gospel of Jesus Christ. It is Not Another.
Phillip Alexander Stone Mary? John 8:1-11 {the 'let he who is without sin passage] tells of "the woman caught in adultery," but she is unnamed. When Jesus speaks to her, he calls her "Woman." And no, the passage doesn't mean Mary Magdalene, who is never identified in this manner in the Bible.
Nick, for a member of your church, you do have caustic language. I know many Mormons, all are respectful in their demeanor and speech, for which I am impressed. In Acts 2 we as Christians are given the gift of the Holy Spirit as a deposit of our inheritance, therefore we have the Lord with us always. We do not need a prophet, we have the Lord with us. There are several differences between Mormons and Christians. In the book Doctrines and Covenants you will find that the Mormons follow a doctrine that contradicts the Bible. It allows for marriage eternally, where a male can become God, get his own planet and have spirit babies. I have read the Book of Mormon; Pearl of Great Price and Doctrine & Covenants. I respect your beliefs and faith but you must realize there are significant differences between the two, which is why Joseph Smith founded his own denomination. His Book of Mormon is based on golden plates given to him be the angel Moroni, which he interpreted. The Book of Mormon has Christ in the South Central Americas, which is another difference of which there are many, very many. We must respect each other, be honest, and agree to disagree. The Mormon faith is different than Christianity.
Nick Munson But Mormons believe that Jesus was created (and then became a god). Christians believe that He is God eternal. That's the big difference.
Nick, the Bible stops revelations with Jesus. There are reasons why the majority of Christianity doesn't accept Mormonism as simply an alternative. Many of the claims of the Book of Mormon go directly against Christian teaching, hence it is not Christianity no matter what name is slapped on the church. It's akin to Jews for Jesus wanting to be accepted under Judaism. It's not going to happen.
By the way, most Christians don't have a problem with your right to a religion — just the claim to being Christian.
Ahhh… my point exactly. I love being Mormon and having non/anti-mormons tell me what I believe…
Ahhh… my point exactly. I love being Mormon and having non/anti-mormons tell me what I believe…
Blake Adams You should examine their claims and learn from them. Your Faith… Is it in Biblical Truth? or based upon years of listening to the same sources and telling yourself over and over again that "Mormonism is the Only Truth"…?
Yes Nick, Latter Day Saints DO contradict the teachings of Christ. Consider Galatians 1:8 – if Moroni did indeed speak to Joseph Smith, he was a demon teaching lies from the pit of hell. The Word of God teaches Christ was supernaturally conceived by the Holy Spirit, not a carnal act. I accept all people. But the only faith that is correct is that which is in harmony with the Bible fairly interpreted. This includes many Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, non-denoms, Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans. But not cults such as the Latter Day Saints.
Wonder why Allah is never depicted that way? Just sayin'.
Everyone is scared to offend the muslims,saying anything against Muhammad can get you killed,so we are scared,so scared.
It is shameful that we in America have become so broken by the standards of others that we forget what has made us true Americans for so long.
Opal Baker You are sooooo right on!!!!!!
Because we live in a self destructive and self loathing society.
Opal Baker HEY I NOT AFRAID TO OFFEND A MUSLUM THEY ARENT AFRAID TO KILL OUR PEOPLE SO FUCK EM. TO HELL WITH THEEM IF THEY DONT UNDRSTAND I DONT WANT THEIR RELIGION AND COULD CRE FUCKING LESS AND IN FACT THEY ARE WORSHIPING A FAKE god AND MOST LIKELY WILL ALL GO TO HELL IF THEY DO NOT BELEIE IN TH ONE AND ONLY GOD AND HIS SON JESUS AS THEIR SAVIOR SO THAT IT PERIOD. NO ARGUEMENT. LIKE I SAID I WOULD SAY IT STRAIGHT TO THEIR FACE I AM NOT AFRAID OF YOU OR YOUR FAKE god and mohamnd or however you go. islmics.
Opal Baker HEY I NOT AFRAID TO OFFEND A MUSLUM THEY ARENT AFRAID TO KILL OUR PEOPLE SO FUCK EM. TO HELL WITH THEEM IF THEY DONT UNDRSTAND I DONT WANT THEIR RELIGION AND COULD CRE FUCKING LESS AND IN FACT THEY ARE WORSHIPING A FAKE god AND MOST LIKELY WILL ALL GO TO HELL IF THEY DO NOT BELEIE IN TH ONE AND ONLY GOD AND HIS SON JESUS AS THEIR SAVIOR SO THAT IT PERIOD. NO ARGUEMENT. LIKE I SAID I WOULD SAY IT STRAIGHT TO THEIR FACE I AM NOT AFRAID OF YOU OR YOUR FAKE god and mohamnd or however you go. islmics.
Opal Baker HEY OPAL I AM NOT AFRAID TO OFFEND AN MUSLUM THEY ARE DOING THEIR BEST TO KILL US NOT JUST TO OFFEND US BUT KILL US. THESE MUSLUM ISLAM RADICALS FLEW THOSE PLANES AND DID EVRYTHING THEY COULD TO KILL MY SON. NO SIR I HAVE NO PROBLEM OFFENDING MUSLIMS AND NEITHER SHOULD YOU OR ANY OTHER AMERICAN
Until the Lord returns, this will only get worse. It is evidence of the raging spiritual battle that is picking up momentum. It is no surprise for Christians.
AMEN!
I do agree that as time goes then it will get progressively worse for Christians but we are to still take action against the ones who denegrate our Lord with our money!
It's just art. If you don't like art, stay out of the art museum. Or better yet, go to the art museum but don't look at the exhibits you find "offensive". No censorship required.
Hey James, how about an art exhibit that show Muhammad getting defecated on? Or two fags getting their necks slit while engaged in sodomy?
Just art right?
I wouldn't mind. It wouldn't offend me.
When it's my tax dollars paying for it you better believe I'm going to do something. You want to put that crap you think is art up then do it on your own dime. I'm pushing my representative to cut ALL tax dollars to this museum and any other affiliated with it. As for as Mr. Lehman is concerned I have not herd such ignorant, arrogant crap in all my life. New York and it's citizens are cowards if they don't stand up and DO something about this.
Paul Stephens I agree with the idea of cutting all museum funding- we don't have the money for it. But if we are going to fund museums, the exhibits should be decided on by the curator (not a politician).
It's not art and it would not be art if it was depicting Islam's Muhammad, or Ishmael; how about Budda, or Mormon's Joseph Smith, Jr, or what if it was our President Obama. What it is, is plain offensive and should be removed. It is low level creation of scum. If it had involved a depiction of Muhammad, you would hear much more screaming, and nashing of teeth. The protesters would have been in the streets before the exhibit was ever opened. Am I Christian? Yes, I am a Follower of the Way, therefore love all, even my enemies. I do not judge, God knows what is in the heart of each and every one of us. He is the Judge, and when the time comes, He will have no mercey. Your right, no censorship is required, our LORD will do that.
James Allsup LIBTARD!
James, the debate is less about the actual "art" than that it is tax-payer funded. Why is it okay for non-Christians to demand that all reference to Christianity be removed from view, but they don't see any problem with the gov't funding "art" that denigrates Christianity? If an artist wants to push the boundaries of art (as well as decency), let him pay for it himself. I'm not interested in funding it with my tax dollars.
Judy Miller Shain because name calling makes you look so much more intelligent
James Allsup You're either lying, or you are sick. Me thinks your'e lying.
David, What does Muhammad have to do with this discussion? Or two gay people? Nothing! This is a discussion about christ in artwork. And James is right, if you don't like it, don't go see it. No one is forcing you to do anything.
@Jon Gardner see my above comment. I said we should eliminate funding for museums.
Not when it's on the public's dime buddy.
David Hartman Awesome answer. Could you imagine the liberal outcry?
James, sorry, it took me a few minutes to compose my response. I agree.
Hmmmm….While this article is COMPLETELY one sided, and thus makes it difficult to garner a non-partisan view, I would agree public money probably should stay away from funding potentially religious offensive material.While, I personally don't find it offensive, and 'christian bashing' is a laughably hyperbolic way to describe this- the clip should be removed.
Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God The Father.
Typical left wing liberals bashing what they fear most! It's pathetic. Glad their not getting away with it! Good work!
He's a Jew, what else would you expect?
Sometimes I find it really difficult to forgive the moronic behaviour of these artists and their supporters, defendors and benefactors.
Whenever I pose questions about Christianity or point out inconsistencies I am accused of Christian bashing. Such reactions don't allow for debate. It's almost always the Christian bashing card they pull.
No one is getting bashed who does not deserve it.
Mr. Cosimano, are you implying that all Christians deserve to be "bashed," or that only certain members of the Christian community will take offense to this and therefore have earned their bashing?
Mr. Cosimano, are you implying that all Christians deserve to be "bashed," or that only certain members of the Christian community will take offense to this and therefore have earned their bashing?
I wonder if most of these comments were actually posted by Christians. If they were, it's no wonder Christians get bashed.
I'm jewish and think your an idiot
If someone tried to open a museum of mohammed cartoons, all hell would break loose. So why is this allowed? Doesn't make sense.
It's allowed because people are allowed to express their opinions.
Larry Chandler absolutely. This is a free country and people should absolutely have the right bash my Christian faith all they want. But please, not with my taxpayer dollars.
There is definitely something to be said for removing Government (read: taxpayer) funding from all arts institutions, museums, theaters, concert halls, etc. But if it is allowed, then the choices of what art can be seen, heard, viewed, etc. should be made by curators, and not politicians. No matter what the medium or work of art is, someone, somewhere will complain about it, and art really is supposed to provoke reactions in people. That's why it exists. But I agree that if you don't like it, you shouldn't be required to pay for it. Maybe there should be no government funding even for building these institutions. Private money should take care of it.
Larry Chandler Your rights end when and where my rights begin… and the reverse is equally true.
I wonder how far that museum would get if instead of Christ… It was a "Metro Sexual" being eaten by ants… The GLB community would have it pulled in a matter of minutes and make a ton of money off the lawsuits on top of it… ACLU would jump on a case like that… and Champion their cause.
Larry Chandler WELL i like to see you express your opinion against mooowslum, or obama come back then and we well discuss your freedom of speech…
Larry Chandler : Exclusive private funding for museums such as these may indeed be the answer, but at this point I doubt that's even a conceivable option…
And yes, curators (i.e. experts on art) should have more clout than politicians on what is displayed in their museums, even in those publicly funded museums. But in a museum, as in any line of entertainment or business, the people running things must answer to the people paying the bills; which in this case means the taxpayers (rather indirectly these days, I fear).
Good discussion, Larry, thanks.
Larry Chandler : Exclusive private funding for museums such as these may indeed be the answer, but at this point I doubt that's even a conceivable option…
And yes, curators (i.e. experts on art) should have more clout than politicians on what is displayed in their museums, even in those publicly funded museums. But in a museum, as in any line of entertainment or business, the people running things must answer to the people paying the bills; which in this case means the taxpayers (rather indirectly these days, I fear).
Good discussion, Larry, thanks.
Larry Chandler WHEN THE CONGRESS IS MAKING CUTS ONE OF TH FIRST HAS GOT TO BE THE ARTS DEPARTMENT OF THE GOVENMENT THAT FUND AND SUPPORT THIS CRAP. LIKE THE CROSS IN A BOTTLE OF PISS OH YAH THATS ART. BULL CRAP THT IS NOT ART THAT IS VUGLAR SPEECH NO MATTR HOW YOU SLICE IT.
Larry Chandler WHEN THE CONGRESS IS MAKING CUTS ONE OF TH FIRST HAS GOT TO BE THE ARTS DEPARTMENT OF THE GOVENMENT THAT FUND AND SUPPORT THIS CRAP. LIKE THE CROSS IN A BOTTLE OF PISS OH YAH THATS ART. BULL CRAP THT IS NOT ART THAT IS VUGLAR SPEECH NO MATTR HOW YOU SLICE IT.
Larry Chandler Yes they have right to bash my Christian faith but at the same time I have the same right to bash theirs!
Larry Chandler Yes they have right to bash my Christian faith but at the same time I have the same right to bash theirs!
Larry Chandler I'd love to see that same museum display a similar work of "art", depicting mohammed with ants crawling on him. But they won't, because they are cowards and hypocrits. It's sooo easy to beat up on Christians because they won't fight back, and if they do, they are called "un-Christian". To me, this is no different than "hate speech" or bullying. Both things that liberals claim to despise.
Randi J. Brown : correction: no, you don't. Not if you seriously claim to be a Christian.
"You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also." – Jesus Christ in Matthew 5:38-39. Get in the Word of God and consider your attitude before posting something like that. Ask yourself if you are speaking in a way that glorifies the Lord you claim to worship. If the answer is no or you are unsure, please don't post that and give people that hate you and me ammunition to use against us and more importantly against the Gospel.
Yes, it hurts when people do hateful things that are completely unprovoked. No, we do not have the right (politically yes, Biblically no) to respond in kind. I know that venting your frustration feels good, but is it doing anyone any good?
No it doesn’t make sense but Larry Chandler summed it all up with his reply. I am a Christian and yes it disappoints me that others think that bashing of any kind is the way to express an opinion but it is definitely their right under the constitution. The use of taxpayer money to promote this type of art is against my moral opinion and I have the right to complain because they are using my money to do something I am so against. It is my right to protest this because I did not vote for the government that is allowing it and is using my money to promote it. I voted for the other guy so I have the right to complain. If you did not vote at all you should not be allowed to complain about the policies being implemented and how your money is spent. By not voting at all we are showing that we do not care what is going to take place after an election, thus we should lose our right to complain.
Larry Chandler , You are dead on regarding private money not taking care of funding the arts. I believe that any business or institution should not be funded by tax payer money as it will result in many irritated citizens should something be presented they disagree with. It is human nature as we are all different and have different tastes and not to mention difference of opinions. So if we as tax payers do not fund these places we then have no recourse if something is offensive to us. if we don’t want to view something then we do not have to see it and do not need to pay the entrance fee. But we also should not be bashed because we disagree with what they are presenting that differs from our opinion. It is not much different that if you did not vote you should not be allowed to complain about the policies being implemented. By not voting at all we are showing that we do not care what is going to take place after the election, thus we lose our right to complain.
Thank you for your comments I enjoyed reading your thoughts and contemplating how I could use them in my everyday life when dealing with others with a difference of opinion than mine.
Larry Chandler it's not an opinion it's an insult to all Christians.
How bout quit complaining and cut off tax funds…It's not rocket science people…
Tax payers shouldn't pay for ANY art.
Why is this okay? If this had been a Muslim display they would not have even thought about being disrespectful to the religion.
“If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. If they persecuted me, they will persecute you.” John 15:18-20 NIV.
Thank you, Bob. That's the quote I was trying for above.
Bob this is exactly what we needed to here thanks !
Let 'em bash away. We've read the back of the book.
I suppose you support this offensive trah they are calling art.
if you ny pretray what gays and lesb, like I can see what a great exemple they set for you, hell would freeze over before I every lived there, and I hate that christian taxs go for the garbage, GOD help you.
there is no respect for what christians want any more,its all for anything the devil like ,just keep on ,cause one day you will beg for mercy and GOD said he won't hear you,you don't even respect your self ,and that goes for the democ.who didn;t go against it.Its worse then awful.
Forgive them LORD,for they know not your love or your BLOOD that was shed for all.they are full of evil.
Rose Ludvik is using grammar so bad, and inconsistently (you change the location and spacing of commas within so many words), the semi-colon in didn't is a nice (and rare) touch and I've read many a comment online. This is a strawman to make Christians look bad. If not, then Rose I feel bad for you
sorry dan.oh sorry ,Dan my eyes arn't as good as your and I got my point across or you would not have commented,it doesn't make the christians look bad,but I can't say that for the artiest.oh sorry did I misspell some thing.?love your comment,shows your paying attention.just need alittle more respect.
By the way Dan ,my daughter in law it an enlish teacher and she has enough respect not to put me down for what you did,and your a christian also,sorry to be hard on you ,I am older and not much on computers and did not get to go to collage,but love you in CHRIST anyway.
By the way Dan ,my daughter in law it an enlish teacher and she has enough respect not to put me down for what you did,and your a christian also,sorry to be hard on you ,I am older and not much on computers and did not get to go to collage,but love you in CHRIST anyway.
Rose, just in case you are a real person, and not big on computers, then let me explain why the first part is harsh. It's assuming you are a FAKE identity on purpose. Under that assumption, you would be crafting a badly spelled chat thread to invite ridicule of 'dumb Christians.' People actually do this online it's called baiting and they get their kicks out of watching people get mad at / ridiculing this 'dumb person' looking dumber and dumber defending their religion, etc. Looking at the comment from that perspective, I was exposing 'fake Rose' for trying an overused lame trick to make whatever target group look bad. You know that you are not fake, but I didn't. And to people who spend enough time online it looked like you may have been baiting. So I actually made the first comment for the opposite reason you think. I was telling 'fake Rose' not to be fake and bait people into laughing at Christians just for entertainment. It is being on your side actually.
You seem to not know this trick and good for you. Some naivete about chat thread antics is fine, but just know it is a subtle baiting technique others use. If I really cared about bad grammar / spelling I wouldn't do English teaching. It's because I don't get bothered by it at all that I can correct it for a living.
Well ,thank you Dan, I just don't express myself well.but I am real and I love my LORD.I just sometimes will hit a key thats not right.I am just tire of artist turning our LORD into garbage,but it will go on,my son has told me about people who bait others,but I hate to hurt anyone,ask anymore that knows me,they will tell you I am real and I walk the talk.love in CHRIST,thanks for explaing.
Jesus never said it would be easy…"If they hate me, they will also hate and persecute you."
No bullets no bombs, just take away the tax dollars. If these "people" want to peddle that kind of crap let them lazy pieces of crap get off their asses and get real jobs and pay for that crap they call"Art" themselves.
Mr. Molinaro, you are right on the money.
Why can't this museum be defunded?
just more of nyc liberals, care less about Jesus, just in nyc is a norm to bash Christian values.
just more of nyc liberals, care less about Jesus, just in nyc is a norm to bash Christian values.
its a hate crime against Christianity.
This isn't about Christians being oversensitive, this is about our tax payer dollars being used for something totally outrageous. Democrats want to preach seperation of church and state until it benefits them. As soon as our tax payer dollars are involved, so is the state, and this museum has in numerous occasions used tax payer dollars to spit on and defile religious figures prominent in not only Christianity, but almost every major faith in the modern world. Maybe it's just me but I'm pretty upset that we're $15 trillion in debt and my money is still going to this kind of junk. If a CEO did that with a company's money while they were in debt, or at all for that matter, he would undoubtedly be fired (unless of course he worked for a unionized green energy company because then the company would get millions of money just to prolong it's life for a short time since green energy is too inneficient to work right now). Honestly, I want my money back that went to that museum and I my money that went to the politicians still giving them my money. Time to clean up management.
Mr Lehman. The Jew know that Americans can't do shit,,,,
Here's art that ISN'T Christian bashing!:
http://www.thewholeearthisfilledwithhisglory.com
Mr Lehman hope god will have mercy on your soul….
well what will the good people in Brooklyn do about this? sit home with your thumbs in your mouth? Get off the couch, hundreds of you. walk into that museum and remove the piece of crap. take it outside or better yet, bring with you a sledge hammer and destroy it. Oh, u afraid to possibly spend 1 night in jail if caught? only a weak nation would tolerate this and it's weak alright. Vengence sayith the lord some of you stupid women? you wouldn't know how to fight if your own family was threatened. smash that thing to pieces. If I lived in Brooklyn, not only would I smash it but I would do more than that by paying mr museum director a visit. Where the heck are some marines who know the Lord? put your game faces on by the hundreds and take action.
Does this question even need to be asked? Doesn't their support and display of things that insult and upset Christian people speak for itself? Of course it's Christian bashing. I want them to display a mock up of Mohammid in the museum with ants on it and see what the outcome would be. They only do it because they know Christians are people of peace. If Christians started bombing their establishments and shooting their CEO's…. etc., they'd be a little more reserved about insulting the Christian.
blah blah blah blah forget the words, forget the "raging spiritual battle" and all the clichea's in sounding so smart! actions speak louder than words. bust that damn thing to pieces then take it to the directors office with a smile and tell him to shove it up his ass and drop it on his desk and walk out. Are we a nation of passifists or will we see a few warriors who will get the job done?
All of these Christian Basher`s will reap what they have sown , It`s unfortunate! I will pray for their soles as JESUS would not want us to scorn them! We as Christian`s must prepare for the coming days of torment. It is only going to get worse , May GOD bless us all!
I'm writing about this on Indie Theology. http://www.indietheology.com.
And a side note…I don't believe we should be calling ants crawling on a cross ART anyways. Or upside down crosses in a jar of urine as I've seen before. Or anything else just as insane. Whatever happened to just pure beautiful paintings as being art? I'm aware just about every person has their own definition of what art is, but really? Can't their be some type of common sense as to what art is?