A Massachusetts lawmaker is under fire in Falmouth after she opened a town meeting with a poem instead of the traditional recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance.
Melissa Freitag, the vice chair for the Falmouth Board of Selectmen, refused to say why she would not allow her fellow lawmakers or residents to recite the pledge.
“I would rather not tonight,” she replied when Selectman Kevin Murphy questioned her about the omission.
Freitag, who is a part-time faculty member at the University of Massachusetts – Dartmouth, was filling in as the acting chair of the meeting.
Murphy told television station Fox 25 that to his knowledge the pledge has been recited before town meetings for more than two years.
“She took it on her own liberties to omit it,” he said. “She did block the rest of us from actually saying the Pledge of Allegiance.”
The move stunned some community members.
“I’m just furious,” resident Robert Volosevich told the Cape Cod Times. “She’s not in touch with the voters in Falmouth at all.”
“It’s the beginning of a slippery slope when you don’t say the Pledge of Allegiance,” one man told Fox 25.
Falmouth resident Brenda Scannell told the newspaper that Freitag’s decision was baffling.
“I just don’t get that at all,” she said. “I know we certainly have our challenges (in this country), but this seems like a step backward.”
Freitag did not return calls from Fox News seeking comment.
Joe Gavito are you for pledging to the federal government (to the republic for which it stands) or no? I'm a conservative Christian who believes in the 10th amendment-and the rest of the constitution as well. No way am I going to pledge my allegiance to a government that wants to take away my guns, that allows for the cold blooded murder of unborn children, that HATES Jesus Christ with such a seething hatred that it sent armed into Montgomery Alabama in VIOLATION of the 10th amendment to rip down the 10 commandments. Only a Communist loving-freedom hating big government liberal would pledge to a government like that. ANd when you pledge to the flag you ARE pledging to the government-the pledge says so it says "And the REPUBLIC for which it stands". ANd don't give me that "love it or leave it" garbage either. I don't love what it has become so I will work at the polls to put it right.
Joe Gavito are you for pledging to the federal government (to the republic for which it stands) or no? I'm a conservative Christian who believes in the 10th amendment-and the rest of the constitution as well. No way am I going to pledge my allegiance to a government that wants to take away my guns, that allows for the cold blooded murder of unborn children, that HATES Jesus Christ with such a seething hatred that it sent armed into Montgomery Alabama in VIOLATION of the 10th amendment to rip down the 10 commandments. Only a Communist loving-freedom hating big government liberal would pledge to a government like that. ANd when you pledge to the flag you ARE pledging to the government-the pledge says so it says "And the REPUBLIC for which it stands". ANd don't give me that "love it or leave it" garbage either. I don't love what it has become so I will work at the polls to put it right.
im a catholic who loves god and i think your a moron. nowhere in the bible does it say that christians or catholics are better than anyone else your conservative vies is the reason people dislike this country… selfish and evil
sorry typo * views… what you just said makes no sense at all to you folk out there if they dont agree with you they are communists… i have no problem with athiests i just think its ridiculous when they try to have religious memorials removed from military graves… they have no say in what that person or his/her family wanted at their grave… so both sides are definitly ignorant and lack commom sense. your "views" really show us normal folk how out of touch and stuck in the 19th century your asses are.
James Wrigly When you pledge allegience, it is to the flag that represents our Republic. Not the government. Our country, our Constitution, our values and morality. Not to the corrupt and morally bancrupt polititians. The Republic, is our country…us, as a whole. A group of states who joined in union to work together for the betterment of all. What you sound more like, is an anarchist. Your words push people apart rather than unite under one common goal. Our common goal is not Socialism, Communism, or Anarchism. It is what our forefathers envisioned. We need to stand, as one, to push those punks into the sea and rebuild our country.
I would have said the Pledge of Allegiance anyway and make her kick me out~And I dam sure wouldn't vote for that POS Atheist or Communist~By the way those two words are synonymous~!
My lack of belief in God or Gods, does not make me a communist. I am an conservative and atheist. Atheists have many different political views, we only have one thing in common, LACK of Belief in a god or gods. BTY do you think these atheists are communists? Barry Manilow, Marlon Brando, Woody Allen, Rodney Dangerfield, James Cameron, Kevin Bacon, Lance Armstrong, Hugh Hefner, Ernest Hemingway, Billy Joel, Jack Nicholson, Mark Zuckerberg the FACEBOOK guy, Thomas Edison, Andrew Carnegie, Helen Keller,and i could go on and on.
most of the atheists I know are all but communist. Sure, it may be something of a stereotype, however the two do tend to go hand in hand. Besides, the word stereotype isn't a bad word. All it means is that a certain group of people tend to do, say, or react in the same way.
The belief there was once absolutely nothing. And nothing happened to the nothing until the nothing magically exploded (for no reason), creating everything and everywhere. Then a bunch of the exploded everything magically rearranged itself ( for no reason whatsoever) into self – replicating bits which turned into dinosaurs.
James Kormanec I am an atheist as well, and very much on the conservative side of politics and a registered republican. I break from my party on the iea of theocratic rule, and the violation of anyones right to choose. Pat up above is just showing how ignorant he truely is. I fail to see how a denial of space daddy who watches us is a sign of communism. He must be one too because he doesnt believe in Zeus or any of the older gods.
@Dave Ewing Humanism would go hand in hand with communism, not atheism. Im a nihilist (which covers atheism) and I dont give 2 dog turds fo the whole of the human race. Im more of a Darwinist when it comes to humanity. Let the weak die and allow the strong to survive and breed. I have been a christian, a satanist, and in the end, its all a lie.
James Kormanec – Helen Keller was not an atheist. She was a Christian. However, she was a member of the American Socialists Party. I doubt you are correct about the others as well.
James Kormanec – It's not worth my time to look at all the names here, but Thomas Edison said himself he was not an atheist. He was 'close' to it – he believed in a "natural god" – what some would call "God" he called nature . . . that is not an atheist. Helen Keller is on the record as a Christian of sorts (she wrote a book, "Light in My Darkness") – a "Second Advent" believer. She was very socialistic – so I'm not sure of the logic of including her in your list.
As for the rest of your list – I'm sure there are plenty of 'popular' atheists, who MAY not be communists – and I'm not here to defend anyone's statement . . . but once you leave the belief in a true and living God who is first of all Holy and second of all Perfect in Righteousness, you are well on your way to a corrupt system of life, no matter if it's capitalistic or communistic. Love is a choice that does involve pain many times – pain and suffering is not 'evil' in and of itself – the athlete trains to become the best, and that involves much work – including pain and suffering. Some of us suffer because of other people's wrong doing – what we do and say will have a consequence. That is order that God has set up for us to live under, and learn of Him – so that we can ultimately glorify Him, our Creator, who desires to be our Redeemer – He sent His son to suffer for our sin, that we may have eternal life through His sacrifice – THAT is love. I hope you can experience it one day.
Matt Blackburn You know absolutely nothing about me,although you overblown,pompus ego no doubt makes you think you do. As said to Mr.Johnson…by all means,keep on being ignorant. Ignorance suits you well.
James Kormanec You left out that KING, The one that threw three men in the furnace,and then said " now I see four, and one looks like the son of GOD " I could go on , and on. Each of us has a choice, don't let their beliefs influence your choice, you chose, stand on your own, coward !
Greg McNeil Atheist and Communist are in fact synonomous. Had you a clue you would know this.
In a Communist society the State is the end all and be all for the citizens and NO ONE or NO THING may be held to a higher position. The Left (liberals) have made it clear they despise and are scared to death of anyone believing in anything other then the mother State.
The Left demands total dependency on the State and will destroy any one or anything which get's in the way of that demand.
Milt Crammer WHAT Atheist makes that claim??? The definition of atheist is simple. "THE LACK OF BELIEF IN A GOD OR GODS". Why are you making shit up about nothing into something and all that other stuff?
Atheism is a single position on a single topic. It is the rejection of all claims that a God exists. That is it. Nothing more. You can be an atheist humanist, atheist communist, atheist capitalist, atheist republican, atheist democrat, etc. Stop misusing the word.
JoAnne Childs Simple… LACK OF EVIDENCE. The same way i came to the conclusion there is no Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Tooth fairy, and anything that lacks evidence for existing.
Milt Crammer What an incredibly naive definition of atheism. What's funny is that you believe something much more far fetched. Not only do you believe that something came from nothing, you believe that a highly intelligent, complex being (God) came into existence from nothing. You say something cannot come from nothing, yet you propose that a God came from nothing.
Lydia Dyches Dellatto She was not the same christian you claim to be. She believed the second coming had already occurred. BTY. 1 possible mistake does not make the others religious.
John Hall I am living proof that what you claim is wrong. I am the same person i always have been. Since i realized i was an atheist 15 years ago, my morals haven't changed a bit. In fact, i have more compassion for other people than when i was a christian. I no longer look at gays as do Christians. I now judge people on an person by person basis. Unlike your religion. And i no longer tell people they are going to burn in hell. Who has advanced in their life? I think i have. There is still hope for you yet Russell Hammond!
Lydia Dyches Dellatto ONE MORE THING! There are many atheists out there whom claim to be atheists and many that do not make it known because of the unjust bias they would receive if they expressed their true feelings concerning gods. Whether they express it or hide it, they all refuse to buy into your silly superstitions. Atheists are iin your church. I could only imagine how your follow Christians would treat them if they exposed themselves.
James Kormanec – if you were ever a Christian, you are still a Christian and vice-versa. Taking your words – 'same person i always have been' – you are still lost. I was reborn as a young person – I'm not the same as I used to be.
Faith – in 'nothing' or "god" is a deliberate act, not a 'discovery'.
We all judge – we are not to judge motives – we judge fruit (we are commanded to judge fruit – our own and others). Our judgement of motives is soundly cautioned. God is the perfect judge and we are grateful for that – it is at His judgement that we'll all confess Him as God.
Religion is man's attempt to organize his thoughts/beliefs in god. Salvation is a relationship with God and His Son, Jesus. He has provided His word to use in living our lives.
I am unclear what your last few sentences are trying to say. I will say you do homosexuals no favors by pretending that their unnatural / unhealthy behavior is "OK" – or even normal. It's cowardly to know truth and not tell it. It has become an easier thing to stand for an unnatural behavior than it is for the truth of God's word. You seem to have gone with the 'easier' path.
God help you to come to the truth of his word so that you can have eternal life.
James Kormanec – if you were ever a Christian, you are still a Christian and vice-versa. Taking your words – 'same person i always have been' – you are still lost. I was reborn as a young person – I'm not the same as I used to be.
Faith – in 'nothing' or "god" is a deliberate act, not a 'discovery'.
We all judge – we are not to judge motives – we judge fruit (we are commanded to judge fruit – our own and others). Our judgement of motives is soundly cautioned. God is the perfect judge and we are grateful for that – it is at His judgement that we'll all confess Him as God.
Religion is man's attempt to organize his thoughts/beliefs in god. Salvation is a relationship with God and His Son, Jesus. He has provided His word to use in living our lives.
I am unclear what your last few sentences are trying to say. I will say you do homosexuals no favors by pretending that their unnatural / unhealthy behavior is "OK" – or even normal. It's cowardly to know truth and not tell it. It has become an easier thing to stand for an unnatural behavior than it is for the truth of God's word. You seem to have gone with the 'easier' path.
God help you to come to the truth of his word so that you can have eternal life.
John Hall What is this nonsense? There is absolutely nothing unnatural about homosexuality. It exists in many different mammalian species. Just because a 2000 year-old text has a couple lines about it does not make it ok for you to discriminate. That same text also condones slavery, says women should keep their mouth shut in church, and commands unruly children to be taken to the edge of town and stoned to death. It is riddled with wicked passages, inconsistencies, and flat out lies about how the natural world works. Faith is gullibility. There is no way to tell truth from nonsense with faith. One of the greatest tricks ever pulled was for religions to convince people that credulity and gullibility are a virtue.
David Balous Do you not find it strange that someone has to take the blame for your behavior? Try telling a Judge that Jesus will do the time for the crime you commit. Watch him laugh in your face.
Louie Wurch – you are not going to be able to speak vague generalities and convince anyone who has read scripture. No other book in all of man's history has been read so much, translated into so many languages, brought about so much good, instilled so much virtue in humankind. Specifically tell me where the Bible condones slavery – it does tell many stories where God's chosen people rejected His truth and went into captivity (i.e., slavery). There is also the magnificent story of a compliant people, taken into slavery, but released from slavery through the deliverance brought about by God – and given a land flowing with Milk and Honey – that land taken from a people who did not believe in God . . . ummm, that would be people like . . . you?
So, anyway – get specific and we'll chat. If you really haven't read it yourself, I don't necessarily recommend it to you. It's truth and you'll be accountable for truth when your hear it / read it. So if your mind is made up and unwilling to change – stay where you are, but that is your choice. However, don't misrepresent it.
As for the "many" mammalian species that have homosexual behavior? Name them. I think you'll agree there are not "many" – there are only a few, if any – you and your friend James are trying to bolster your incorrect positions with 'numbers' – stretching the truth . . . get truth and you'll get freedom from your own nonsense and poisons.
The point of this discussion is that American's who want to pledge allegiance to the flag should be allowed to – community and patriotism should get first place by public servants. There was one community in this report that did not pledge regularly and no one had a problem with that. The community here want to say it, ignoring that is not wise.
Two more minor points: 1. Religion doesn't save anyone – it's a means of organizing man's knowledge of God – it has a purpose, but apart from the truth of God's written word, it's not valuable. Twice our Savior Jesus cleansed the temple from those using religion and traditions – rather than following the truth as provided to His people in the law. Search the scriptures for the truth. Avoid these vague generalities you've written.
2. Pre-Medieval? Doesn't that mean "historical"? Don't we want to learn from history? Since the Bible is the only book that lists the origin of this world, it's probably good to read it and learn. I'm not only pre-medieval – I'm looking from the beginning of time . . . and looking forward to when time shall be no more. I would like to think I'm helping to lift people, enabling them to be better than they would otherwise be. What is the poison?
Louie Wurch – you are not going to be able to speak vague generalities and convince anyone who has read scripture. No other book in all of man's history has been read so much, translated into so many languages, brought about so much good, instilled so much virtue in humankind. Specifically tell me where the Bible condones slavery – it does tell many stories where God's chosen people rejected His truth and went into captivity (i.e., slavery). There is also the magnificent story of a compliant people, taken into slavery, but released from slavery through the deliverance brought about by God – and given a land flowing with Milk and Honey – that land taken from a people who did not believe in God . . . ummm, that would be people like . . . you?
So, anyway – get specific and we'll chat. If you really haven't read it yourself, I don't necessarily recommend it to you. It's truth and you'll be accountable for truth when your hear it / read it. So if your mind is made up and unwilling to change – stay where you are, but that is your choice. However, don't misrepresent it.
As for the "many" mammalian species that have homosexual behavior? Name them. I think you'll agree there are not "many" – there are only a few, if any – you and your friend James are trying to bolster your incorrect positions with 'numbers' – stretching the truth . . . get truth and you'll get freedom from your own nonsense and poisons.
The point of this discussion is that American's who want to pledge allegiance to the flag should be allowed to – community and patriotism should get first place by public servants. There was one community in this report that did not pledge regularly and no one had a problem with that. The community here want to say it, ignoring that is not wise.
Two more minor points: 1. Religion doesn't save anyone – it's a means of organizing man's knowledge of God – it has a purpose, but apart from the truth of God's written word, it's not valuable. Twice our Savior Jesus cleansed the temple from those using religion and traditions – rather than following the truth as provided to His people in the law. Search the scriptures for the truth. Avoid these vague generalities you've written.
2. Pre-Medieval? Doesn't that mean "historical"? Don't we want to learn from history? Since the Bible is the only book that lists the origin of this world, it's probably good to read it and learn. I'm not only pre-medieval – I'm looking from the beginning of time . . . and looking forward to when time shall be no more. I would like to think I'm helping to lift people, enabling them to be better than they would otherwise be. What is the poison?
John Hall How can you possibly say that the Bible has brought good and instilled virtue into mankind? Open a history book. How many people have suffered and died because of that book? How many people continue to suffer?
If you want to argue specifics, I'd be happy to do so. I have read the Bible. With every page I realized the absurdity of it. No thinking person can read the Bible with an open mind and conclude that it is the word of God. Even if you take it as allegorical, it is still horrid. It doesn't matter, though. You are so infected that I could point out all the absurdities and you would somehow warp it in your own mind to justify your belief. And eventually I'd back you into a corner and you would have to resort to the word "faith". You cannot reason with religious people. They have abandoned their critical faculties in favor of credulity and gullibility. If they could be reasoned with, then their would be no religious people.
Back to the point about homosexuality. Indeed there are "many" examples throughout mammalian species. It's irrelevant. Even if there was only one other species, then you could not possibly say that it is unnatural. By the way, there are close to 1500 species of animals that exhibit homosexual or transgender behavior, it isn't even restricted to mammals. This includes birds, insects, reptiles, and fish.
There will come a time, in my lifetime I'm sure, where we will look back at the treatment of homosexuals with the same disgust that we now view the historical treatment of black people, and women. You, and those that believe as you, are a barrier to moral progress.
Louie Wurch – vague generalities – worthless. Your kind have already come to power – just look at communist Russia, China, and Nazi Germany – that's the godless societies.
Not to be saying 'religion' has not done anything wrong – but True belief in scripture has never taken anyone down the wrong road. No more platitudes and generalities – be specific and we'll chat. Otherwise you keep your faith in nothing and I'll keep mine in God.
John Hall Annnnd now I realize who I am dealing with hahaha. I wish you would have opened with the Nazi/atheism comparison. We can go ahead and stop this conversation right now. If you don't know that Hitler was Roman Catholic and the Nazi's were deeply Christian. then you don't really have any business trying to argue this. Educate yourself…please.
And you are correct…I have faith in nothing. Faith is belief without evidence. It is credulity touted as a virtue. Faith is how ALL religions convince weak-minded people to believe in fairy tales.
Louie Wurch – don't you ever get tired of name calling? Do you realize how condescending you sound? I hope this is just the effect of the impersonal written media we are using – but if this is what it's like to be an atheist – no wonder I don't meet too many of them.
I'm understand what Hitler believed – I've read Mein Kampf. He was no catholic, no was he a believer in any particular religion. But then you keep bringing up religion and I keep speaking of truth. Just because something has the name "religion" associated with it – that does not make it "truth". Truth is in scripture – God's Holy word – The Bible. Many people talk about the Bible and claim to know something of it; but I know of few that truly read it, much less understand it. I have to place you among the talkers for now.
I've asked for specifics and you have not produced even one. Nor could you produce even one example of homosexual behavior in animals that bear off-spring. You are sadly lacking in credibility or even an honest attempt at any kind of intelligent discussion.
With young men (and some women) dying from AIDS and suffering from many painful hurtful diseases, only associated with promiscuity and anal intercourse, it is NOT compassionate to ignore the suffering that the act of sodomy brings to those who practice it. It's a tragedy that this country – and many atheists included – worship the god of sex so much that they holler "hate" at any one who speaks truth. Scripture clearly teaches the act is not only unnatural, but it's a sin. No liar will go to heaven, no idol worshipper will go to heaven, no one goes except forgiven sinners – which we all are – so blocking out the truth is to your own detriment.
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good report. Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. . .
By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed and he went out not knowing whither he went.
We can clearly see evidence of a global flood (Grand Canyon) – all cultures teach of one. We see Israel today – a product of Abraham's journey – clearly visible. The creation itself testifies of order and design – all very visual renunciations of your statement "faith is belief without evidence."
Where is your evidence of our origin? The start of it all? Or do you believe you actually do not exist? Find truth and you'll find a means to contentment – and kindness . . . .
John Hall If you were born in India, you'd be worshiping Crishna. If you were born in Iran, you'd be a Muslim. If you had been born in Denmark at the time of the Vikings you'd be worshiping Thor. If you had been born in Greece in 500 B.C., you'd be praying to Athena and Zeus.
But you were, I imagine, born in the U.S., where at a very young age you were told by your parents about the Bible. Therefore you are a Christian. You operate under the assumption that the Bible is true. Let me ask you a question. Of the thousands of gods that humans have worshiped throughout our history, how do you know that YOUR particular god is the correct one? Why is the Bible true, but the Quran not? Why don't you believe in Zeus?
You bring up Noah…you honestly believe that a god committed genocide against the entire human species to fix his own flawed creation? And he spared one man and his family by having them build a large wooden boat? And he fit two of every creature on that boat? Dude…there are over 500,000 species of beetles alone.
And Abraham. What kind of an asshole god would tell a man to kill his own child, just to see if he'd do it?
Let's talk about Job. A righteous man, whose life god destroyed to prove a point to the devil.
What about the beginning. God creates Adam and Eve. He tells them they can eat from any fruit in the garden of eden, except the tree of knowledge. It seems the god you worship is against humans having knowledge. What a fantastic way to keep people stupid. Tell them that knowledge is evil.
How about the absolute core of Christianity. Vicarious redemption. That you can get away with the gravest offenses to morality and be forgiven because some Jew was tortured to death two thousand years ago.
Louie Wurch Hitler was a psychopath. He was evil, and twisted! He was a communist dictator, raised in an orphanage and became a lunatic. He wanted a perfect race and world ruled by him, and he himself was not even what he wanted everyone else to be. A lunatic!
Angela Cleveland Yes, Hitler was evil. Yes, he was twisted. He was ABSOLUTELY NOT a communist. I don't even understand how you can make that statement. Hitler viciously opposed communism. The point is, he certainly was not an atheist. Stalin, however, was an atheist. Not that any of that matters. I was defending the idea that atheism is some sort of ideology. I'll repeat, atheism is the rejection of religious claims that a god exists. That's it.
Angela Cleveland Yes, Hitler was evil. Yes, he was twisted. He was ABSOLUTELY NOT a communist. I don't even understand how you can make that statement. Hitler viciously opposed communism. The point is, he certainly was not an atheist. Stalin, however, was an atheist. Not that any of that matters. I was defending the idea that atheism is some sort of ideology. I'll repeat, atheism is the rejection of religious claims that a god exists. That's it.
Stephen Rogerson How? Explain how atheism is a foundation to communism. Your statement is factually incorrect. I don't know how many times this needs to be repeated. Atheism is not a political position. It's not an ideology. To say that atheism is the foundation of communism is absurd. Reading the comments on FoxNews makes me lose faith in humanity.
Yep….just one more Obama ass-licking sperm dump thinking she can order everyone to do as she pleases…..if she don't want to say the pledge then fine….kick her boney ass out.
Steve-Brenda Rickel Yeah, we see how well German Aggression goes. They never seem to be able to finish what they start. Maybe viagra will help ya ObamaBot!
R.T. Castleberry actually my mother is died years ago of a heart condition. What does my religion or political beliefs or lack of have to do with how I speak?
he wasnt attackin you personally Kell I think he just believes there is a better way to say whats on your mind, But inn all reality what would auntie Margie say about all the hatred you spread?? Because I know that wasnt her.
he wasnt attackin you personally Kell I think he just believes there is a better way to say whats on your mind, But inn all reality what would auntie Margie say about all the hatred you spread?? Because I know that wasnt her.
Stacey Navaroli you'd be surprized what mom would say.. she had two sides to her….the one at home and the one at "gatherings" granted she showed both at "gatherings" but at home with her close friends (maggie, evie, betty, and Ellaine) there was alot of anger and hatred
James Kormanec
Our God given rights not-withstanding. The 'Certain Inalienable' ones. Why was the capital the site of the largest church services in Washington, DC for over 100 yrs? Why are there murals adorning the walls of The Capital proving such. Why is God referenced on practically every single monumnet in DC? Why is Moses along with the 10 Commandments on the facade of the Supreme Court? You are very misinformed. These are facts.
Jim DeLeo The "official" 10 Commandments according to Exodus 34 are;
1. For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
2. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
3. The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep.
4. Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.
5. And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year’s end.
6. Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before the Lord GOD, the God of Israel.
7. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven;
8. neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.
9. The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God.
10. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother’s milk.
James Kormanec
No, the world has a small percentage of non-believers who have self annointed moral superiority over the majoirty and call them foolish to reinforce THEIR OWN delusion.
James Kormanec
No, the world has a small percentage of non-believers who have self annointed moral superiority over the majoirty and call them foolish to reinforce THEIR OWN delusion.
Jim DeLeo China is 77% Buddhist, Japan 96% Buddhist. Mongolia 99%. Thailand 97%. Taiwan 95%, and according to your God, they are all condemned to burn. Silly Humans. You are lying intentionally or ya really need to do some research before you open your Mouth.
James Kormanec Try Exodus 20. These are the 10 Commandments referenced above by DeLeo. The current 'American way' as you put it may be so, but it has strayed far from it's roots founded on religious freedom and the freedom to worship our Creator.
Jim DeLeo Why is Moses along with the 10 Commandments on the facade of the Supreme Court? Hmmmmm??? OK, So is Confucius, and Solon. Moses( with the 10 commandments on the Capitol Building) is depicted as one of several historical exemplars of lawgivers, not as a religious figure.
James Kormanec
you know nothing of my God, James. The aforementioned religions all have one thing in common. Belief in a Diety. I am not affiliated with nor practice any organized religion but consider myself spiritual and believe in a God of my understanding. You assume to know but are quite wrong. My beliefs are mine and yours, yours. I do not condemn nor mock Atheists. I DO NOT HAVE THE CONTEMPT you so obvioulsy display. I have done my research and believers out-number non-believers by a wide margin. Doesn't make either better or worse than the other. Just facts.
To me, atheists are simply non-believers. To you, believers are foolish. Who gave you the right to make that judgement? You have no proof at all of the non-existance of a Superior Being nor do I have proof of one. I just choose to believe. You have little to be certain about.
Jim DeLeo you know nothing of my God, James. You say that as if you have insight into my life? I once bought the delusion you now find yourself in. Brainwashing from others and the society (you live in) is very strong. If you where born in China, do you really think your religious views would not be influenced by that society? A 97% chance you would be a Buddhist. Born and grew up in Iran, you would most likely be Muslim… When you realize there is NO GOD, the world makes sense.
James Kormanec
It is lost on you that I do not practice a religion. Your opinion is only yours and you are a nobody as far as I am concerned. Go one non-believing. The world as I see it makes perfect sense. The way you see it makes perfect sense to you. So, my question is; Who the hell are you to tell me how I should view anything? I THINK it sucks to be you. I could be wrong. But I doubt it.
Timothy Daniel Binzel So according to that view, God must have a new set of comandments for us in the present day? For like maybe condemning Genoicide? (nope he endorses that), ok, how about slavery? (nope, he gave guidelines on how to beat your servants and slaves) maybe sexism? (nope). I give up.. God has covered everything so clearly. maybe he or she can make a commandment against racism? nope, he is in favor of that also…again i give up!
Timothy Daniel Binzel So according to that view, God must have a new set of comandments for us in the present day? For like maybe condemning Genoicide? (nope he endorses that), ok, how about slavery? (nope, he gave guidelines on how to beat your servants and slaves) maybe sexism? (nope). I give up.. God has covered everything so clearly. maybe he or she can make a commandment against racism? nope, he is in favor of that also…again i give up!
'Linda Bassett-Harrington: Why did they add "Under God" to the pledge in 1954? I hate when "art" is censored. This addition to the pledge, I said every day in elementary school, forced the idea of a God (religion) into me. It was "indoctrination"! Religion in the schools, a clear violation of the First Ammendment "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". While not a "Law", the Pledge is the dedication of Allegiance to the United States of America. Guess what, 16% of Americans don't believe in God and our rights are protected as a minority. Everytime I say the pledge, I pause at "Under God" and continue at" Indivisible" because religion has ruined this "could be peacefull" world.
'Linda Bassett-Harrington: Why did they add "Under God" to the pledge in 1954? I hate when "art" is censored. This addition to the pledge, I said every day in elementary school, forced the idea of a God (religion) into me. It was "indoctrination"! Religion in the schools, a clear violation of the First Ammendment "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". While not a "Law", the Pledge is the dedication of Allegiance to the United States of America. Guess what, 16% of Americans don't believe in God and our rights are protected as a minority. Everytime I say the pledge, I pause at "Under God" and continue at" Indivisible" because religion has ruined this "could be peacefull" world.
Steve-Brenda Rickel And i carry a black magic marker and black out "In God We Trust" on my money. If Congress won't repeal this silly little note on our money, i am only glad to assist.
Funny to see people get riled up when you take away the Pledge of Allegiance. Does she not support her country? Do we need a pledge to show we aren't a "communist" or "atheist"? This reminds me of the uproar over someone choosing not to wear an American flag lapel pin – last time I checked I didn't wear one and I seem to love my country more than ever before.
Jim DeLeo by the way, I'm just another college football playing, fraternity partying, NRA gun-toting, copenhagen chewing, law school-educated, blue collar "communist" or some other nonsense, right? I also listen to country…yep, sure do stand for everything wrong.
Jim DeLeo there is a difference between swearing an oath to uphold the Constitution and defend our country when you are on the battlefield. It is quite another thing to actually sit here and make the argument that someone needs to say the pledge of allegiance to show everyone they are a real American. Again, enough with the nonsense Jimmy. Hit me with something clear, concise, and factually based. I'm ready for it.
John Schneider
The pledge is a 'pledge'. To country. Law educated means zip. Plenty of far left, ACLU card carrying POS come out of law schools. Pledging allegiance to America has nothing to do with disproving anything, atheism, communism or otherwise. Someone wasted alot of money on your education if you fail to grasp that.
John Schneider
Not much difference between swearing an oath or pledging allegiance. Our lawmakers and elected officials also swear an oath. They are not on any battlefield. You keep on proving my point. Hofstra didn't teach you much.
Jim DeLeo apparently I wasted a lot of money on my own education then Jim. You're from New York, you know a thing or two about government handouts I assume. Some of us come from nothing and make something of ourselves. How does being a member of the ACLU mean someone is a POS? Last I checked, they fought against government infringing on civil liberties. If you're a conservative and hate big government you should probably be a card-carrying member yourself.
Jim DeLeo Hofstra didn't need to teach me anything – I learned plenty coming from Iowa. Where did you go to school? Are you one of those people that dogs on others who pushed themselves and actually got a higher education?
John Schneider
The ACLU was founded by affirmed Socialists and Communists. That is a fact you can check all day long. Look up Roger Baldwin and Crystal Eastman along with Earl Browder, the general secretary of the Communist Party of the United States, who admitted that the ACLU served as a “transmission belt” for the party. Baldwin agreed, claiming, “I don’t regret being a part of the communist tactic which increased the effectiveness of a good cause.”
Again, wasted money, John. You should have studied more REAL history versus the re-written versions.
Ok John Schneider I'll chime in here. What exactly is your argument? Let's start there, kinda like a thesis. You made a statement, asked two questions, made an attribution, and then stated you love you country. Instead of setting the stage for a conflict spiral with you argument, make it concise so we all can understand your first comment please.
Mike Landon my comment was simply that this chatter below about taking the Pledge out means all of the sudden they are a communist or don't support their country is absurd. 1) communism is not a term to be thrown around lightly. 2) why can't there be a contrasting of what makes our country great, without having to instantly attack people when they do something we don't all agree with (I don't support what she did). That, I believe is what kind of riled me up here.
John Schneider now I understand where you are coming from. I agree that I don't like what she did either. I think that communist, left or right wing, and all other types of labels do not accomplish anything. This country was made great by "meeting in the middle". I am, what people would call "Right-wing" in my political beliefs, but that doesn't mean I do not see the value in "Left-wing" ideas. If we could could create a collaborative governmental atmosphere between the sides our whole nation would benefit. I wish people would see that as long as The People are divided, nothing will ever be accomplished. Just one nation dammed into a giant conflict spiral.
You aren't the President of the United States either. Are even a Gov. employee? Protocol is to wear the flag. It is also protocol to put your hand over your heart when the flag goes by and salute it if you are military. Seems to me obama had to be shamed into at least pretending he give's a monkey's butt about this country.
John Schneider The outward pledge is an expression of what's inside. Why does this need an explanation–and as you said " I seem to love my country more and more" you only sem to and that is just to yourself.
Mike Landon Wow, I really wish more people thought that way. I am a moderate myself, and have voted for Repubs and Dems alike based on their actual stances, not the letter that comes after their name. I don't get all the hubbub about this, other than the fact that she kind of sprung it on everyone. There is no report that she did not participate in the pledge every other time it was said. Most of us don't recite the pledge every day before work, it doesn't make us any less American. She was trying something different, and somehow this makes her love her country less? Ridiculous. We need to stop pointing fingers, calling names, and start acting like civilized human beings again, or this country will continue its downward spiral. We may blame our elected officials for this atmosphere, but those of us who participate in the rhetoric are just as much to blame.
Mike Landon Mike Landon Wow, I really wish more people thought that way. I am a moderate myself, and have voted for Repubs and Dems alike based on their actual stances, not the letter that comes after their name. I don't get all the hubbub about this, other than the fact that she kind of sprung it on everyone. There is no report that she did not participate in the pledge every other time it was said. Most of us don't recite the pledge every day before work, it doesn't make us any less American. She was trying something different, and somehow this makes her love her country less? Ridiculous. We need to stop pointing fingers, calling names, and start acting like civilized human beings again, or this country will continue its downward spiral. We may blame our elected officials for this atmosphere, but those of us who participate in the rhetoric are just as much to blame.
Funny to see people get riled up when you take away the Pledge of Allegiance. Does she not support her country? Do we need a pledge to show we aren't a "communist" or "atheist"? This reminds me of the uproar over someone choosing not to wear an American flag lapel pin – last time I checked I didn't wear one and I seem to love my country more than ever before.
If you were all so outraged..why didn't you stand up and recite it anyways. She couldn't have the whole board and audience expelled now could she? Cheap words of "outrage" after the fact don't count for much people.
Curtis Dunn – I bet the police would be a little reluctant to move in and do anything on the orders of a vice-chair of a powerless board amid the howls of outraged voters.
You wish you could then we would all be serfs. Righties use the Unions as the Boogyman and your post proves it. 40 hr. work week, 8 hr. day, employer health insurance, child labor laws, safety at the job site, etc. thank unions. Be educated before becoming a parrot of the Reich Wing!
Jim DeLeo: Exploited tool? Such an intelligent response for losing an argument. Don't feel sorry for me. I look at fact before I form my views unlike those of you who take marching orders from Rush, Hannity, Beck and Fox News.
Jim DeLeo: Exploited tool? Such an intelligent response for losing an argument. Don't feel sorry for me. I look at fact before I form my views unlike those of you who take marching orders from Rush, Hannity, Beck and Fox News.
Steve-Brenda Rickel … Unions do in fact do some good….but, in kentucky they don't. My husband and myself lived in Louisville, KY and his job was union…either we had to pay $5.00 to be in it or $7.00 to stay out of it and that was per pay period. How is that good? Then we moved back home to NH and his job now is at the PSNY (navy yard) and the union up here actually is a good one…nothing like the one in KY…. Help me out here….not to knowledge based on the unions but does each state who has unions are their bi-laws created separately in each state? I've asked other union presidents thru emails, but they didn't respond. You seem to be intelligent on unions, please give me some sort of clue here.
Steve-Brenda Rickel Not necessarily! I worked for both, got the same hours, work week, insurance (health & life) and safety rules. So this is not a total truth.
I'm glad this anti-American twit doesn't live in my home town… I would have to fly the Flag of my country in front of her house every day….I pledge alegience to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republicfor which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all….
The sheeple allowed her to dominate them when it was obvious she was in the wrong. They, the sheep, should have stood in union and recited the pledge no matter what she had to say. I would hope that a crowd of well meaning people could over shout one wimpy little commie wench. If they can't, they deserve to be made servants to the state.
ELITIST from DARTMOUTH! It figures, NO COMMON SENSE! If I was there, she would have been….SHUT-DOWN! The other members….SHOULD HAVE…REFUSED TO LET THE MEETING BEGIN! I would have PUNCHED this IDIOT ELITIST….from DARTMOUTH…IN HER NOSE!
" I'd rather not"? What the hell! Does this Commie ass kissing broad think that the Pledge of Allegiance is like sex? "Oh I don't think that I can do it tonight. Well sweetie, I think that the city can do without your Commie serving services ever again. There's the door, don't let it hit you in the ass on the way out.
The pledge isn't in the Constitution; it was written in 1892 by a Socialist preacher. In Massachusetts, it is not a legal requirement to recite the Pledge at a public meeting. To those who want to compel their fellow citizens to recite loyalty pledges: you might find a country like North Korea to be more compatible to your point of view than a democracy. What do you think "with liberty and justice for all" means?
IF I LIVED THERE, I WOULD MAKE HER LIFE A LIVING HELL. YOU ALL KNOW WHERE SHE LIVES, SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO EXERCISE YOUR CONSITUTIONAL RIGHTS TO ASSEMBLY AND FREE SPEECH.
To all my " righty " friends out there. Please refrain from stooping to the left wing liberal M O of distorting the truth and hurling nasty personal attacks. We know this country was founded on sound Christian principals and we will return to that heritage hopefully sooner rather than later. The divide in our nation is growing every day and the crack started somewhere near 1600 Penn. ave. Lets all just work together to end the nightmare come November and restart the Great American Dream. We are bigger than all of this!
THEY SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN UP AND LEAD THE AUDIENCE IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IN SPITE OF HER. HOPEFULLY, NEXT TIME THEY WILL. REPUBLIC OR DEMOCRACY, THIS IS WHAT WE DO. WE DON'T LIVE IN A DICTATORSHIP YET.
THEY SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN UP AND LEAD THE AUDIENCE IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IN SPITE OF HER. HOPEFULLY, NEXT TIME THEY WILL. REPUBLIC OR DEMOCRACY, THIS IS WHAT WE DO. WE DON'T LIVE IN A DICTATORSHIP YET.
Angela Cleveland, there you are wrapped in the American flag saying someone else doesn't believe in "our" country. What a stupid statement to make. You might want to clarify your statement to say, "The President doesn't believe in "my" idea of what this country stands for." That would be a correct statement. However, I am certain your idea of what America "should be" is BAT SHIT CRAZY!
Good for her. I don't pledge to the Federal flag. The words of the pledge come from the loyalty oaths forced upon conquered Southerners. And they are also untrue. The US is not 'one nation' – that word is not in the Constitution. The peoples of the US are clearly not of one national background; there are many nations of people here. Less and less is the US 'under God' either because it has rejected God in favour of a secular, anti-religious agenda. Nor is any government anywhere 'indivisible' – as Jefferson said in the Declaration of Independence, the people always retain the right to alter or abolish their government. And finally, it's a joke that the US provides 'liberty and justice for all.' The elites buy their justice and the rest of us get what they dish out to us.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
I believe this woman is a Jack-ss, but as I read the comments here people keep calling Obama and the Libs stupid morons. Trust me they are not at all. They have a plan and are following it to a T, bring down America as it stands and turn it into a neo-socialistic society that they control in its entirety. They need to.
be challenged every chance and at every turn and exposed for what they really are, People who want to tell you how to live and what to say and do! But don't fall into the trap that Obama and his cronies are stupid fools. If you do then the only fool will be us who let this happen. Stand up to these people and put them back in there place!
From history: the last President (democrat) who is overlooked is Grover Cleveland. He is the last president to have this country in the green, and everyone was happy, patriotic, and at once content with the government. He did not believe in giving away money, and the country thrived. Where is one of these presidents now?
Now everyone knows who to vote for in the upcoming election. We need to rid our government of this anti-patriotic scurge. If politicians cease to be patriotic, they need to be standing in the unemployment lines that they have created!
everyone needs to stop with the whole " its obamas fault " thing its getting old… what we are going through is no different then what we've been going through for the last fifty years….just because yur guy lost 4 years ago stop being a sore looser… its ridiculous… romney isn't going to fix anything overnight so it really doesn't matter who gets elected cuz hes just going to waste time tryiong to reverse everything obama did then well be back to sqare one in 6 years…. so please people if want to blame anyone blame past presidents and governments including the current administration as well as congress and senate for their lack of partisanship and honesty over the decades…. not one lawmaker in washington actually cares about you me or our children they really care about themselves, families and pockets…. I bet if all of you were a senator or congressman you would too…. that's the way it is , and that's the way its going to stay…. that's life then you die…. get over it.
Well Matt, when a President (elephant or Jackass) does things contrary to the Constitution, then it's time to speak, clarify it, and kick his ass out of office. That is how to get over it!
This is another example of (1) poor Leadership, (2) incompetent decision making (3) a complete Lack of appreciation and respect for United States of America and the Pledge of Allegiance. BTW “The Pledge of Allegiance, “an expression of loyalty to the federal flag and the Republic. I would hope anyone representing a city, state or Federal municipality would embrace the values of our Nation.
maybe she hates America and everything the Republic stands for? Obviously she was arrogant enough to believe…and get away with…controlling whether anyone else would be able to recite the pledge of Allegience. Very pathetic
While I think the board is justifiably concerned about the omission of the pledge, they also need to pay some attention to the deplorable condition of the flag shown flying in front of the building. Check the video around 0:50 and you will see frayed edges, and the bottom stripe separating.
"My students felt this was a wonderful lesson on how the media can control the agenda," said Freitag, who teaches at the University of Massachusetts at Dartmouth. Really! We're all just mindless drones… so condescending. "It doesn't matter why she did it," Theis said. "She ignored a policy." Exactly! Even if it wasn't a policy it was a tradition that obviously people wanted to follow. She works for the people not the other way around. She is so arrogant it's unbelievable! So you do not want to say the pledge, it's your right. But if the town has decided that they prefer to start the meeting with the pledge then show some respect for the people who hired you and ask someone else to lead it.
I personally think that they should have packed her up and sent her to another country! Too many radicals against our government and a nation that is supposed to be "One Nation Under God". So you want to be an atheist? Then sit down and shut up. Don't try to make the government and the taxpaying citizens conform to you! No one should have a right to change anything, like the pledge, the flag, or anything else we hold dear as patriotism to our country without a public vote! They wanted the Georgia flag changed….it was fought tooth and nail….finally was put to a vote. It was a shame it was changed, but majority ruled. If you don't like it in America, leave it. We will all be happy you left!
I personally think that they should have packed her up and sent her to another country! Too many radicals against our government and a nation that is supposed to be "One Nation Under God". So you want to be an atheist? Then sit down and shut up. Don't try to make the government and the taxpaying citizens conform to you! No one should have a right to change anything, like the pledge, the flag, or anything else we hold dear as patriotism to our country without a public vote! They wanted the Georgia flag changed….it was fought tooth and nail….finally was put to a vote. It was a shame it was changed, but majority ruled. If you don't like it in America, leave it. We will all be happy you left!
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She needs to be removed from our governement and soc.
I never say the pledge.
I never say the pledge.
Maybe she's a right-wing supporter of states rights and ain't gonna pledge to that there federal government n thar flag
James Wrigly woooooo copy and paste? m0r0n….
Joe Gavito are you for pledging to the federal government (to the republic for which it stands) or no? I'm a conservative Christian who believes in the 10th amendment-and the rest of the constitution as well. No way am I going to pledge my allegiance to a government that wants to take away my guns, that allows for the cold blooded murder of unborn children, that HATES Jesus Christ with such a seething hatred that it sent armed into Montgomery Alabama in VIOLATION of the 10th amendment to rip down the 10 commandments. Only a Communist loving-freedom hating big government liberal would pledge to a government like that. ANd when you pledge to the flag you ARE pledging to the government-the pledge says so it says "And the REPUBLIC for which it stands". ANd don't give me that "love it or leave it" garbage either. I don't love what it has become so I will work at the polls to put it right.
Joe Gavito are you for pledging to the federal government (to the republic for which it stands) or no? I'm a conservative Christian who believes in the 10th amendment-and the rest of the constitution as well. No way am I going to pledge my allegiance to a government that wants to take away my guns, that allows for the cold blooded murder of unborn children, that HATES Jesus Christ with such a seething hatred that it sent armed into Montgomery Alabama in VIOLATION of the 10th amendment to rip down the 10 commandments. Only a Communist loving-freedom hating big government liberal would pledge to a government like that. ANd when you pledge to the flag you ARE pledging to the government-the pledge says so it says "And the REPUBLIC for which it stands". ANd don't give me that "love it or leave it" garbage either. I don't love what it has become so I will work at the polls to put it right.
im a catholic who loves god and i think your a moron. nowhere in the bible does it say that christians or catholics are better than anyone else your conservative vies is the reason people dislike this country… selfish and evil
sorry typo * views… what you just said makes no sense at all to you folk out there if they dont agree with you they are communists… i have no problem with athiests i just think its ridiculous when they try to have religious memorials removed from military graves… they have no say in what that person or his/her family wanted at their grave… so both sides are definitly ignorant and lack commom sense. your "views" really show us normal folk how out of touch and stuck in the 19th century your asses are.
James Wrigly When you pledge allegience, it is to the flag that represents our Republic. Not the government. Our country, our Constitution, our values and morality. Not to the corrupt and morally bancrupt polititians. The Republic, is our country…us, as a whole. A group of states who joined in union to work together for the betterment of all. What you sound more like, is an anarchist. Your words push people apart rather than unite under one common goal. Our common goal is not Socialism, Communism, or Anarchism. It is what our forefathers envisioned. We need to stand, as one, to push those punks into the sea and rebuild our country.
Mark Mayfield And Gods have nothing to do with it.
Teaching our youth to hate
America is a crime against
the youth and our country!
Maybe she's a right-wing supporter of states rights and ain't gonna pledge to that there federal government n thar flag
Yet it is the way of the liberals!
We need to investigate the
Law schools, look at Obama
he knows nothing about law.
Amen to that, Mitchell!
Amen to that, Mitchell!
I would have said the Pledge of Allegiance anyway and make her kick me out~And I dam sure wouldn't vote for that POS Atheist or Communist~By the way those two words are synonymous~!
"Atheist or Communist~By the way those two words are synonymous"
Yea,no thay are not. But by all means,keep on being ignorant.
"Atheist or Communist~By the way those two words are synonymous"
Yea,no thay are not. But by all means,keep on being ignorant.
**sorry typo** they
**sorry typo** they
My lack of belief in God or Gods, does not make me a communist. I am an conservative and atheist. Atheists have many different political views, we only have one thing in common, LACK of Belief in a god or gods. BTY do you think these atheists are communists? Barry Manilow, Marlon Brando, Woody Allen, Rodney Dangerfield, James Cameron, Kevin Bacon, Lance Armstrong, Hugh Hefner, Ernest Hemingway, Billy Joel, Jack Nicholson, Mark Zuckerberg the FACEBOOK guy, Thomas Edison, Andrew Carnegie, Helen Keller,and i could go on and on.
Yes.
Yes.
I am a conservative atheist. We exist.
most of the atheists I know are all but communist. Sure, it may be something of a stereotype, however the two do tend to go hand in hand. Besides, the word stereotype isn't a bad word. All it means is that a certain group of people tend to do, say, or react in the same way.
James Kormanec Atheism
The belief there was once absolutely nothing. And nothing happened to the nothing until the nothing magically exploded (for no reason), creating everything and everywhere. Then a bunch of the exploded everything magically rearranged itself ( for no reason whatsoever) into self – replicating bits which turned into dinosaurs.
AND THEY MOCK YOUR BELIEF
James Kormanec I am an atheist as well, and very much on the conservative side of politics and a registered republican. I break from my party on the iea of theocratic rule, and the violation of anyones right to choose. Pat up above is just showing how ignorant he truely is. I fail to see how a denial of space daddy who watches us is a sign of communism. He must be one too because he doesnt believe in Zeus or any of the older gods.
James Kormanec DO YOU KNOW WHY YOU ARE AN ATHEIST…..HOW DID YOU CONCLUDE THAT THERE IS NO GOD…
James Kormanec DO YOU KNOW WHY YOU ARE AN ATHEIST…..HOW DID YOU CONCLUDE THAT THERE IS NO GOD…
@Dave Ewing Humanism would go hand in hand with communism, not atheism. Im a nihilist (which covers atheism) and I dont give 2 dog turds fo the whole of the human race. Im more of a Darwinist when it comes to humanity. Let the weak die and allow the strong to survive and breed. I have been a christian, a satanist, and in the end, its all a lie.
James Kormanec , yes at least half of them were/are communists and sadly all are going to hell, whether they believe in it or not.
James Kormanec – Helen Keller was not an atheist. She was a Christian. However, she was a member of the American Socialists Party. I doubt you are correct about the others as well.
James Kormanec – It's not worth my time to look at all the names here, but Thomas Edison said himself he was not an atheist. He was 'close' to it – he believed in a "natural god" – what some would call "God" he called nature . . . that is not an atheist. Helen Keller is on the record as a Christian of sorts (she wrote a book, "Light in My Darkness") – a "Second Advent" believer. She was very socialistic – so I'm not sure of the logic of including her in your list.
As for the rest of your list – I'm sure there are plenty of 'popular' atheists, who MAY not be communists – and I'm not here to defend anyone's statement . . . but once you leave the belief in a true and living God who is first of all Holy and second of all Perfect in Righteousness, you are well on your way to a corrupt system of life, no matter if it's capitalistic or communistic. Love is a choice that does involve pain many times – pain and suffering is not 'evil' in and of itself – the athlete trains to become the best, and that involves much work – including pain and suffering. Some of us suffer because of other people's wrong doing – what we do and say will have a consequence. That is order that God has set up for us to live under, and learn of Him – so that we can ultimately glorify Him, our Creator, who desires to be our Redeemer – He sent His son to suffer for our sin, that we may have eternal life through His sacrifice – THAT is love. I hope you can experience it one day.
Greg McNeil misspelling 'they, was the least of your errors, the first is believing the tripe you spew, you sir, are a moron.
obama + obama voters = lefty lib morons, just like you.
James Kormanec no your right ,just a pinhead
Matt Blackburn You know absolutely nothing about me,although you overblown,pompus ego no doubt makes you think you do. As said to Mr.Johnson…by all means,keep on being ignorant. Ignorance suits you well.
James Kormanec You left out that KING, The one that threw three men in the furnace,and then said " now I see four, and one looks like the son of GOD " I could go on , and on. Each of us has a choice, don't let their beliefs influence your choice, you chose, stand on your own, coward !
Greg McNeil Atheist and Communist are in fact synonomous. Had you a clue you would know this.
In a Communist society the State is the end all and be all for the citizens and NO ONE or NO THING may be held to a higher position. The Left (liberals) have made it clear they despise and are scared to death of anyone believing in anything other then the mother State.
The Left demands total dependency on the State and will destroy any one or anything which get's in the way of that demand.
Joe Vialonga Hey dumbell…I am an athiest and I AM NOT a communist. You probably think communisim and socialism are the samething as well,right genius?
Milt Crammer WHAT Atheist makes that claim??? The definition of atheist is simple. "THE LACK OF BELIEF IN A GOD OR GODS"
Milt Crammer WHAT Atheist makes that claim??? The definition of atheist is simple. "THE LACK OF BELIEF IN A GOD OR GODS". Why are you making shit up about nothing into something and all that other stuff?
Atheism is a single position on a single topic. It is the rejection of all claims that a God exists. That is it. Nothing more. You can be an atheist humanist, atheist communist, atheist capitalist, atheist republican, atheist democrat, etc. Stop misusing the word.
JoAnne Childs Simple… LACK OF EVIDENCE. The same way i came to the conclusion there is no Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Tooth fairy, and anything that lacks evidence for existing.
Milt Crammer What an incredibly naive definition of atheism. What's funny is that you believe something much more far fetched. Not only do you believe that something came from nothing, you believe that a highly intelligent, complex being (God) came into existence from nothing. You say something cannot come from nothing, yet you propose that a God came from nothing.
Lydia Dyches Dellatto NOT!
Lydia Dyches Dellatto She was not the same christian you claim to be. She believed the second coming had already occurred. BTY. 1 possible mistake does not make the others religious.
John Hall I am living proof that what you claim is wrong. I am the same person i always have been. Since i realized i was an atheist 15 years ago, my morals haven't changed a bit. In fact, i have more compassion for other people than when i was a christian. I no longer look at gays as do Christians. I now judge people on an person by person basis. Unlike your religion. And i no longer tell people they are going to burn in hell. Who has advanced in their life? I think i have. There is still hope for you yet Russell Hammond!
Lydia Dyches Dellatto ONE MORE THING! There are many atheists out there whom claim to be atheists and many that do not make it known because of the unjust bias they would receive if they expressed their true feelings concerning gods. Whether they express it or hide it, they all refuse to buy into your silly superstitions. Atheists are iin your church. I could only imagine how your follow Christians would treat them if they exposed themselves.
James Kormanec – if you were ever a Christian, you are still a Christian and vice-versa. Taking your words – 'same person i always have been' – you are still lost. I was reborn as a young person – I'm not the same as I used to be.
Faith – in 'nothing' or "god" is a deliberate act, not a 'discovery'.
We all judge – we are not to judge motives – we judge fruit (we are commanded to judge fruit – our own and others). Our judgement of motives is soundly cautioned. God is the perfect judge and we are grateful for that – it is at His judgement that we'll all confess Him as God.
Religion is man's attempt to organize his thoughts/beliefs in god. Salvation is a relationship with God and His Son, Jesus. He has provided His word to use in living our lives.
I am unclear what your last few sentences are trying to say. I will say you do homosexuals no favors by pretending that their unnatural / unhealthy behavior is "OK" – or even normal. It's cowardly to know truth and not tell it. It has become an easier thing to stand for an unnatural behavior than it is for the truth of God's word. You seem to have gone with the 'easier' path.
God help you to come to the truth of his word so that you can have eternal life.
James Kormanec – if you were ever a Christian, you are still a Christian and vice-versa. Taking your words – 'same person i always have been' – you are still lost. I was reborn as a young person – I'm not the same as I used to be.
Faith – in 'nothing' or "god" is a deliberate act, not a 'discovery'.
We all judge – we are not to judge motives – we judge fruit (we are commanded to judge fruit – our own and others). Our judgement of motives is soundly cautioned. God is the perfect judge and we are grateful for that – it is at His judgement that we'll all confess Him as God.
Religion is man's attempt to organize his thoughts/beliefs in god. Salvation is a relationship with God and His Son, Jesus. He has provided His word to use in living our lives.
I am unclear what your last few sentences are trying to say. I will say you do homosexuals no favors by pretending that their unnatural / unhealthy behavior is "OK" – or even normal. It's cowardly to know truth and not tell it. It has become an easier thing to stand for an unnatural behavior than it is for the truth of God's word. You seem to have gone with the 'easier' path.
God help you to come to the truth of his word so that you can have eternal life.
John Hall What is this nonsense? There is absolutely nothing unnatural about homosexuality. It exists in many different mammalian species. Just because a 2000 year-old text has a couple lines about it does not make it ok for you to discriminate. That same text also condones slavery, says women should keep their mouth shut in church, and commands unruly children to be taken to the edge of town and stoned to death. It is riddled with wicked passages, inconsistencies, and flat out lies about how the natural world works. Faith is gullibility. There is no way to tell truth from nonsense with faith. One of the greatest tricks ever pulled was for religions to convince people that credulity and gullibility are a virtue.
John Hall On behalf of Homosexuals = It is a natural behavior to them, and if you cannot see that, you are blinded by your superstitions.
John Hall Do you not see how you poison the world with your medieval perspective of the world and how that affects the people around you?
Louie Wurch you not see how you poison the world with your Pre-Medieval perspective of the world and how that affects the people around you?
David Balous Do you not find it strange that someone has to take the blame for your behavior? Try telling a Judge that Jesus will do the time for the crime you commit. Watch him laugh in your face.
James Kormanec Why did you call me out? I agree with you man. I do not have a Pre-medieval perspective. I think religion is complete bs.
Louie Wurch – you are not going to be able to speak vague generalities and convince anyone who has read scripture. No other book in all of man's history has been read so much, translated into so many languages, brought about so much good, instilled so much virtue in humankind. Specifically tell me where the Bible condones slavery – it does tell many stories where God's chosen people rejected His truth and went into captivity (i.e., slavery). There is also the magnificent story of a compliant people, taken into slavery, but released from slavery through the deliverance brought about by God – and given a land flowing with Milk and Honey – that land taken from a people who did not believe in God . . . ummm, that would be people like . . . you?
So, anyway – get specific and we'll chat. If you really haven't read it yourself, I don't necessarily recommend it to you. It's truth and you'll be accountable for truth when your hear it / read it. So if your mind is made up and unwilling to change – stay where you are, but that is your choice. However, don't misrepresent it.
As for the "many" mammalian species that have homosexual behavior? Name them. I think you'll agree there are not "many" – there are only a few, if any – you and your friend James are trying to bolster your incorrect positions with 'numbers' – stretching the truth . . . get truth and you'll get freedom from your own nonsense and poisons.
The point of this discussion is that American's who want to pledge allegiance to the flag should be allowed to – community and patriotism should get first place by public servants. There was one community in this report that did not pledge regularly and no one had a problem with that. The community here want to say it, ignoring that is not wise.
Two more minor points: 1. Religion doesn't save anyone – it's a means of organizing man's knowledge of God – it has a purpose, but apart from the truth of God's written word, it's not valuable. Twice our Savior Jesus cleansed the temple from those using religion and traditions – rather than following the truth as provided to His people in the law. Search the scriptures for the truth. Avoid these vague generalities you've written.
2. Pre-Medieval? Doesn't that mean "historical"? Don't we want to learn from history? Since the Bible is the only book that lists the origin of this world, it's probably good to read it and learn. I'm not only pre-medieval – I'm looking from the beginning of time . . . and looking forward to when time shall be no more. I would like to think I'm helping to lift people, enabling them to be better than they would otherwise be. What is the poison?
Louie Wurch – you are not going to be able to speak vague generalities and convince anyone who has read scripture. No other book in all of man's history has been read so much, translated into so many languages, brought about so much good, instilled so much virtue in humankind. Specifically tell me where the Bible condones slavery – it does tell many stories where God's chosen people rejected His truth and went into captivity (i.e., slavery). There is also the magnificent story of a compliant people, taken into slavery, but released from slavery through the deliverance brought about by God – and given a land flowing with Milk and Honey – that land taken from a people who did not believe in God . . . ummm, that would be people like . . . you?
So, anyway – get specific and we'll chat. If you really haven't read it yourself, I don't necessarily recommend it to you. It's truth and you'll be accountable for truth when your hear it / read it. So if your mind is made up and unwilling to change – stay where you are, but that is your choice. However, don't misrepresent it.
As for the "many" mammalian species that have homosexual behavior? Name them. I think you'll agree there are not "many" – there are only a few, if any – you and your friend James are trying to bolster your incorrect positions with 'numbers' – stretching the truth . . . get truth and you'll get freedom from your own nonsense and poisons.
The point of this discussion is that American's who want to pledge allegiance to the flag should be allowed to – community and patriotism should get first place by public servants. There was one community in this report that did not pledge regularly and no one had a problem with that. The community here want to say it, ignoring that is not wise.
Two more minor points: 1. Religion doesn't save anyone – it's a means of organizing man's knowledge of God – it has a purpose, but apart from the truth of God's written word, it's not valuable. Twice our Savior Jesus cleansed the temple from those using religion and traditions – rather than following the truth as provided to His people in the law. Search the scriptures for the truth. Avoid these vague generalities you've written.
2. Pre-Medieval? Doesn't that mean "historical"? Don't we want to learn from history? Since the Bible is the only book that lists the origin of this world, it's probably good to read it and learn. I'm not only pre-medieval – I'm looking from the beginning of time . . . and looking forward to when time shall be no more. I would like to think I'm helping to lift people, enabling them to be better than they would otherwise be. What is the poison?
John Hall How can you possibly say that the Bible has brought good and instilled virtue into mankind? Open a history book. How many people have suffered and died because of that book? How many people continue to suffer?
If you want to argue specifics, I'd be happy to do so. I have read the Bible. With every page I realized the absurdity of it. No thinking person can read the Bible with an open mind and conclude that it is the word of God. Even if you take it as allegorical, it is still horrid. It doesn't matter, though. You are so infected that I could point out all the absurdities and you would somehow warp it in your own mind to justify your belief. And eventually I'd back you into a corner and you would have to resort to the word "faith". You cannot reason with religious people. They have abandoned their critical faculties in favor of credulity and gullibility. If they could be reasoned with, then their would be no religious people.
Back to the point about homosexuality. Indeed there are "many" examples throughout mammalian species. It's irrelevant. Even if there was only one other species, then you could not possibly say that it is unnatural. By the way, there are close to 1500 species of animals that exhibit homosexual or transgender behavior, it isn't even restricted to mammals. This includes birds, insects, reptiles, and fish.
There will come a time, in my lifetime I'm sure, where we will look back at the treatment of homosexuals with the same disgust that we now view the historical treatment of black people, and women. You, and those that believe as you, are a barrier to moral progress.
Louie Wurch – vague generalities – worthless. Your kind have already come to power – just look at communist Russia, China, and Nazi Germany – that's the godless societies.
Not to be saying 'religion' has not done anything wrong – but True belief in scripture has never taken anyone down the wrong road. No more platitudes and generalities – be specific and we'll chat. Otherwise you keep your faith in nothing and I'll keep mine in God.
John Hall Annnnd now I realize who I am dealing with hahaha. I wish you would have opened with the Nazi/atheism comparison. We can go ahead and stop this conversation right now. If you don't know that Hitler was Roman Catholic and the Nazi's were deeply Christian. then you don't really have any business trying to argue this. Educate yourself…please.
And you are correct…I have faith in nothing. Faith is belief without evidence. It is credulity touted as a virtue. Faith is how ALL religions convince weak-minded people to believe in fairy tales.
Louie Wurch – don't you ever get tired of name calling? Do you realize how condescending you sound? I hope this is just the effect of the impersonal written media we are using – but if this is what it's like to be an atheist – no wonder I don't meet too many of them.
I'm understand what Hitler believed – I've read Mein Kampf. He was no catholic, no was he a believer in any particular religion. But then you keep bringing up religion and I keep speaking of truth. Just because something has the name "religion" associated with it – that does not make it "truth". Truth is in scripture – God's Holy word – The Bible. Many people talk about the Bible and claim to know something of it; but I know of few that truly read it, much less understand it. I have to place you among the talkers for now.
I've asked for specifics and you have not produced even one. Nor could you produce even one example of homosexual behavior in animals that bear off-spring. You are sadly lacking in credibility or even an honest attempt at any kind of intelligent discussion.
With young men (and some women) dying from AIDS and suffering from many painful hurtful diseases, only associated with promiscuity and anal intercourse, it is NOT compassionate to ignore the suffering that the act of sodomy brings to those who practice it. It's a tragedy that this country – and many atheists included – worship the god of sex so much that they holler "hate" at any one who speaks truth. Scripture clearly teaches the act is not only unnatural, but it's a sin. No liar will go to heaven, no idol worshipper will go to heaven, no one goes except forgiven sinners – which we all are – so blocking out the truth is to your own detriment.
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good report. Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. . .
By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed and he went out not knowing whither he went.
We can clearly see evidence of a global flood (Grand Canyon) – all cultures teach of one. We see Israel today – a product of Abraham's journey – clearly visible. The creation itself testifies of order and design – all very visual renunciations of your statement "faith is belief without evidence."
Where is your evidence of our origin? The start of it all? Or do you believe you actually do not exist?
Find truth and you'll find a means to contentment – and kindness . . . .
John Hall If you were born in India, you'd be worshiping Crishna. If you were born in Iran, you'd be a Muslim. If you had been born in Denmark at the time of the Vikings you'd be worshiping Thor. If you had been born in Greece in 500 B.C., you'd be praying to Athena and Zeus.
But you were, I imagine, born in the U.S., where at a very young age you were told by your parents about the Bible. Therefore you are a Christian. You operate under the assumption that the Bible is true. Let me ask you a question. Of the thousands of gods that humans have worshiped throughout our history, how do you know that YOUR particular god is the correct one? Why is the Bible true, but the Quran not? Why don't you believe in Zeus?
You bring up Noah…you honestly believe that a god committed genocide against the entire human species to fix his own flawed creation? And he spared one man and his family by having them build a large wooden boat? And he fit two of every creature on that boat? Dude…there are over 500,000 species of beetles alone.
And Abraham. What kind of an asshole god would tell a man to kill his own child, just to see if he'd do it?
Let's talk about Job. A righteous man, whose life god destroyed to prove a point to the devil.
What about the beginning. God creates Adam and Eve. He tells them they can eat from any fruit in the garden of eden, except the tree of knowledge. It seems the god you worship is against humans having knowledge. What a fantastic way to keep people stupid. Tell them that knowledge is evil.
How about the absolute core of Christianity. Vicarious redemption. That you can get away with the gravest offenses to morality and be forgiven because some Jew was tortured to death two thousand years ago.
Seriously…this is nonsense.
Louie Wurch Hitler was a psychopath. He was evil, and twisted! He was a communist dictator, raised in an orphanage and became a lunatic. He wanted a perfect race and world ruled by him, and he himself was not even what he wanted everyone else to be. A lunatic!
Heero Yuy God help you!
Angela Cleveland Yes, Hitler was evil. Yes, he was twisted. He was ABSOLUTELY NOT a communist. I don't even understand how you can make that statement. Hitler viciously opposed communism. The point is, he certainly was not an atheist. Stalin, however, was an atheist. Not that any of that matters. I was defending the idea that atheism is some sort of ideology. I'll repeat, atheism is the rejection of religious claims that a god exists. That's it.
Angela Cleveland Yes, Hitler was evil. Yes, he was twisted. He was ABSOLUTELY NOT a communist. I don't even understand how you can make that statement. Hitler viciously opposed communism. The point is, he certainly was not an atheist. Stalin, however, was an atheist. Not that any of that matters. I was defending the idea that atheism is some sort of ideology. I'll repeat, atheism is the rejection of religious claims that a god exists. That's it.
Greg McNeil The foundation to Communist is Atheism!
Stephen Rogerson How? Explain how atheism is a foundation to communism. Your statement is factually incorrect. I don't know how many times this needs to be repeated. Atheism is not a political position. It's not an ideology. To say that atheism is the foundation of communism is absurd. Reading the comments on FoxNews makes me lose faith in humanity.
Yep….just one more Obama ass-licking sperm dump thinking she can order everyone to do as she pleases…..if she don't want to say the pledge then fine….kick her boney ass out.
Poor right wingers whine, whine, whine.
Poor right wingers whine, whine, whine.
@ Kelly Whitten: You talk to Jesus with that mouth?
Maybe not. Maybe they's a right-wing supporter of states rights and ain't gonna pledge to that there federal government n thar flag
James Wrigly paranoid?
Joe Gavito what do you mean?
Steve-Brenda Rickel You lick O's butt with that mouth?
@Pete Lanteri, no just your wife's! Gets out that German Aggression!
Steve-Brenda Rickel Yeah, we see how well German Aggression goes. They never seem to be able to finish what they start. Maybe viagra will help ya ObamaBot!
Wow, Kelly, you kiss your mother with that mouth? Even for a GOP/TPer that's pretty disgusting. You've GOT to be a Christian.
R.T. Castleberry actually my mother is died years ago of a heart condition. What does my religion or political beliefs or lack of have to do with how I speak?
he wasnt attackin you personally Kell I think he just believes there is a better way to say whats on your mind, But inn all reality what would auntie Margie say about all the hatred you spread?? Because I know that wasnt her.
he wasnt attackin you personally Kell I think he just believes there is a better way to say whats on your mind, But inn all reality what would auntie Margie say about all the hatred you spread?? Because I know that wasnt her.
Stacey Navaroli you'd be surprized what mom would say.. she had two sides to her….the one at home and the one at "gatherings" granted she showed both at "gatherings" but at home with her close friends (maggie, evie, betty, and Ellaine) there was alot of anger and hatred
Another prospect for a one way ticket to Iran!
Why?
Maybe she's a right-wing supporter of states rights and ain't gonna pledge to that there federal government n thar flag
Some councils open with Christian prayer, but complain when a Buddhist prayer opens with prayer.
Some councils open with Christian prayer, but complain when a Buddhist prayer opens with prayer.
Yea, shes all done. "I pledge the Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
One nation under GOD. "
'Linda Bassett-Harrington, then why don't the "Christians" act like Christians?
'Linda Bassett-Harrington Indivisible with justice for all!
'Linda Bassett-Harrington We are not a nation under a god or gods. we are a nation void of religious influence. That is the American way.
James Kormanec
Our God given rights not-withstanding. The 'Certain Inalienable' ones. Why was the capital the site of the largest church services in Washington, DC for over 100 yrs? Why are there murals adorning the walls of The Capital proving such. Why is God referenced on practically every single monumnet in DC? Why is Moses along with the 10 Commandments on the facade of the Supreme Court? You are very misinformed. These are facts.
Jim DeLeo It only proves how wide-spread the delusion is. Non of what you posted proves anything other than the world is full of foolish people.
Jim DeLeo The "official" 10 Commandments according to Exodus 34 are;
1. For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
2. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
3. The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep.
4. Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.
5. And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year’s end.
6. Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before the Lord GOD, the God of Israel.
7. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven;
8. neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.
9. The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God.
10. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother’s milk.
Jim DeLeo Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother’s milk? Seems silly to me. And you follow this crap? seriously??
James Kormanec
No, the world has a small percentage of non-believers who have self annointed moral superiority over the majoirty and call them foolish to reinforce THEIR OWN delusion.
James Kormanec
No, the world has a small percentage of non-believers who have self annointed moral superiority over the majoirty and call them foolish to reinforce THEIR OWN delusion.
Jim DeLeo small percentage?? You are living in a cave!
Jim DeLeo China is 77% Buddhist, Japan 96% Buddhist. Mongolia 99%. Thailand 97%. Taiwan 95%, and according to your God, they are all condemned to burn. Silly Humans. You are lying intentionally or ya really need to do some research before you open your Mouth.
James Kormanec Try Exodus 20. These are the 10 Commandments referenced above by DeLeo. The current 'American way' as you put it may be so, but it has strayed far from it's roots founded on religious freedom and the freedom to worship our Creator.
Jim DeLeo Why is Moses along with the 10 Commandments on the facade of the Supreme Court? Hmmmmm??? OK, So is Confucius, and Solon. Moses( with the 10 commandments on the Capitol Building) is depicted as one of several historical exemplars of lawgivers, not as a religious figure.
James Kormanec
you know nothing of my God, James. The aforementioned religions all have one thing in common. Belief in a Diety. I am not affiliated with nor practice any organized religion but consider myself spiritual and believe in a God of my understanding. You assume to know but are quite wrong. My beliefs are mine and yours, yours. I do not condemn nor mock Atheists. I DO NOT HAVE THE CONTEMPT you so obvioulsy display. I have done my research and believers out-number non-believers by a wide margin. Doesn't make either better or worse than the other. Just facts.
Timothy Daniel Binzel So the 10 i posted was a typo in the bible? God didn't have his coffee that day?
To me, atheists are simply non-believers. To you, believers are foolish. Who gave you the right to make that judgement? You have no proof at all of the non-existance of a Superior Being nor do I have proof of one. I just choose to believe. You have little to be certain about.
Jim DeLeo you know nothing of my God, James. You say that as if you have insight into my life? I once bought the delusion you now find yourself in. Brainwashing from others and the society (you live in) is very strong. If you where born in China, do you really think your religious views would not be influenced by that society? A 97% chance you would be a Buddhist. Born and grew up in Iran, you would most likely be Muslim… When you realize there is NO GOD, the world makes sense.
James Kormanec It is not a typo. Read chapter 20. 34 is in reference to worship and practices for people in that day.
Jim DeLeo I am certain of one thing. The God of the Bible is Bullshit.
James Kormanec
It is lost on you that I do not practice a religion. Your opinion is only yours and you are a nobody as far as I am concerned. Go one non-believing. The world as I see it makes perfect sense. The way you see it makes perfect sense to you. So, my question is; Who the hell are you to tell me how I should view anything? I THINK it sucks to be you. I could be wrong. But I doubt it.
Timothy Daniel Binzel So according to that view, God must have a new set of comandments for us in the present day? For like maybe condemning Genoicide? (nope he endorses that), ok, how about slavery? (nope, he gave guidelines on how to beat your servants and slaves) maybe sexism? (nope). I give up.. God has covered everything so clearly. maybe he or she can make a commandment against racism? nope, he is in favor of that also…again i give up!
Timothy Daniel Binzel So according to that view, God must have a new set of comandments for us in the present day? For like maybe condemning Genoicide? (nope he endorses that), ok, how about slavery? (nope, he gave guidelines on how to beat your servants and slaves) maybe sexism? (nope). I give up.. God has covered everything so clearly. maybe he or she can make a commandment against racism? nope, he is in favor of that also…again i give up!
Jim DeLeo You are wrong, i see that you are a fool. good night.
Jim DeLeo You are wrong, i see that you are a fool. good night.
James Kormanec
Good night, James. Work in the AM. And by the way. Thanks for your service.
'Linda Bassett-Harrington: Why did they add "Under God" to the pledge in 1954? I hate when "art" is censored. This addition to the pledge, I said every day in elementary school, forced the idea of a God (religion) into me. It was "indoctrination"! Religion in the schools, a clear violation of the First Ammendment "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". While not a "Law", the Pledge is the dedication of Allegiance to the United States of America. Guess what, 16% of Americans don't believe in God and our rights are protected as a minority. Everytime I say the pledge, I pause at "Under God" and continue at" Indivisible" because religion has ruined this "could be peacefull" world.
'Linda Bassett-Harrington: Why did they add "Under God" to the pledge in 1954? I hate when "art" is censored. This addition to the pledge, I said every day in elementary school, forced the idea of a God (religion) into me. It was "indoctrination"! Religion in the schools, a clear violation of the First Ammendment "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". While not a "Law", the Pledge is the dedication of Allegiance to the United States of America. Guess what, 16% of Americans don't believe in God and our rights are protected as a minority. Everytime I say the pledge, I pause at "Under God" and continue at" Indivisible" because religion has ruined this "could be peacefull" world.
Jim DeLeo Your welcome.
Steve-Brenda Rickel And i carry a black magic marker and black out "In God We Trust" on my money. If Congress won't repeal this silly little note on our money, i am only glad to assist.
James Kormanec Definitely in the last four years!
Just get up and say it anyway. What are you afraid of, some Dartmouth prof?
Just get up and say it anyway. What are you afraid of, some Dartmouth prof?
Funny to see people get riled up when you take away the Pledge of Allegiance. Does she not support her country? Do we need a pledge to show we aren't a "communist" or "atheist"? This reminds me of the uproar over someone choosing not to wear an American flag lapel pin – last time I checked I didn't wear one and I seem to love my country more than ever before.
You, Mr. Schneider, represent your partie's mascot. A Jack Ass.
Jim DeLeo How am I a jackass? Make a clear, concise, and factually based argument as to how anything I said was necessarily wrong.
Jim DeLeo by the way, I'm just another college football playing, fraternity partying, NRA gun-toting, copenhagen chewing, law school-educated, blue collar "communist" or some other nonsense, right? I also listen to country…yep, sure do stand for everything wrong.
Kind of like swearing the oath, which all service members must do. It's an American thing. Something you, John, would know absolutely nothing about!
Jim DeLeo there is a difference between swearing an oath to uphold the Constitution and defend our country when you are on the battlefield. It is quite another thing to actually sit here and make the argument that someone needs to say the pledge of allegiance to show everyone they are a real American. Again, enough with the nonsense Jimmy. Hit me with something clear, concise, and factually based. I'm ready for it.
You say that as if there is something wrong with being an atheist?
John Schneider
The pledge is a 'pledge'. To country. Law educated means zip. Plenty of far left, ACLU card carrying POS come out of law schools. Pledging allegiance to America has nothing to do with disproving anything, atheism, communism or otherwise. Someone wasted alot of money on your education if you fail to grasp that.
James Kormanec not at all…i'm mocking how some think they can infer an individual doesn't believe in God by their political beliefs.
John Schneider
Not much difference between swearing an oath or pledging allegiance. Our lawmakers and elected officials also swear an oath. They are not on any battlefield. You keep on proving my point. Hofstra didn't teach you much.
Jim DeLeo apparently I wasted a lot of money on my own education then Jim. You're from New York, you know a thing or two about government handouts I assume. Some of us come from nothing and make something of ourselves. How does being a member of the ACLU mean someone is a POS? Last I checked, they fought against government infringing on civil liberties. If you're a conservative and hate big government you should probably be a card-carrying member yourself.
Jim DeLeo Hofstra didn't need to teach me anything – I learned plenty coming from Iowa. Where did you go to school? Are you one of those people that dogs on others who pushed themselves and actually got a higher education?
John Schneider
The ACLU was founded by affirmed Socialists and Communists. That is a fact you can check all day long. Look up Roger Baldwin and Crystal Eastman along with Earl Browder, the general secretary of the Communist Party of the United States, who admitted that the ACLU served as a “transmission belt” for the party. Baldwin agreed, claiming, “I don’t regret being a part of the communist tactic which increased the effectiveness of a good cause.”
Again, wasted money, John. You should have studied more REAL history versus the re-written versions.
John Schneider
Pace University. Business owner. Yeah, you certainly are a bright one, John. Just a little short on facts and history.
Jim DeLeo LoL…business owner? Shit, you could probably solve all of the country's problems. Pace? You're making fun of Hofstra, but you went to Pace?
Ok John Schneider I'll chime in here. What exactly is your argument? Let's start there, kinda like a thesis. You made a statement, asked two questions, made an attribution, and then stated you love you country. Instead of setting the stage for a conflict spiral with you argument, make it concise so we all can understand your first comment please.
*your
Mike Landon my comment was simply that this chatter below about taking the Pledge out means all of the sudden they are a communist or don't support their country is absurd. 1) communism is not a term to be thrown around lightly. 2) why can't there be a contrasting of what makes our country great, without having to instantly attack people when they do something we don't all agree with (I don't support what she did). That, I believe is what kind of riled me up here.
John Schneider now I understand where you are coming from. I agree that I don't like what she did either. I think that communist, left or right wing, and all other types of labels do not accomplish anything. This country was made great by "meeting in the middle". I am, what people would call "Right-wing" in my political beliefs, but that doesn't mean I do not see the value in "Left-wing" ideas. If we could could create a collaborative governmental atmosphere between the sides our whole nation would benefit. I wish people would see that as long as The People are divided, nothing will ever be accomplished. Just one nation dammed into a giant conflict spiral.
Maybe she's a right-wing supporter of states rights and ain't gonna pledge to that there federal government n thar flag
You aren't the President of the United States either. Are even a Gov. employee? Protocol is to wear the flag. It is also protocol to put your hand over your heart when the flag goes by and salute it if you are military. Seems to me obama had to be shamed into at least pretending he give's a monkey's butt about this country.
John Schneider The outward pledge is an expression of what's inside. Why does this need an explanation–and as you said " I seem to love my country more and more" you only sem to and that is just to yourself.
Mike Landon Wow, I really wish more people thought that way. I am a moderate myself, and have voted for Repubs and Dems alike based on their actual stances, not the letter that comes after their name. I don't get all the hubbub about this, other than the fact that she kind of sprung it on everyone. There is no report that she did not participate in the pledge every other time it was said. Most of us don't recite the pledge every day before work, it doesn't make us any less American. She was trying something different, and somehow this makes her love her country less? Ridiculous. We need to stop pointing fingers, calling names, and start acting like civilized human beings again, or this country will continue its downward spiral. We may blame our elected officials for this atmosphere, but those of us who participate in the rhetoric are just as much to blame.
Mike Landon Mike Landon Wow, I really wish more people thought that way. I am a moderate myself, and have voted for Repubs and Dems alike based on their actual stances, not the letter that comes after their name. I don't get all the hubbub about this, other than the fact that she kind of sprung it on everyone. There is no report that she did not participate in the pledge every other time it was said. Most of us don't recite the pledge every day before work, it doesn't make us any less American. She was trying something different, and somehow this makes her love her country less? Ridiculous. We need to stop pointing fingers, calling names, and start acting like civilized human beings again, or this country will continue its downward spiral. We may blame our elected officials for this atmosphere, but those of us who participate in the rhetoric are just as much to blame.
Joe Gonzalez I find that once you start listening to everyday Americans, either Democrat or Republican, their political views are mostly moderate.
Funny to see people get riled up when you take away the Pledge of Allegiance. Does she not support her country? Do we need a pledge to show we aren't a "communist" or "atheist"? This reminds me of the uproar over someone choosing not to wear an American flag lapel pin – last time I checked I didn't wear one and I seem to love my country more than ever before.
If you were all so outraged..why didn't you stand up and recite it anyways. She couldn't have the whole board and audience expelled now could she? Cheap words of "outrage" after the fact don't count for much people.
Concur…I'll bet I could have finished the pledge before the police hauled me out!
Curtis Dunn – I bet the police would be a little reluctant to move in and do anything on the orders of a vice-chair of a powerless board amid the howls of outraged voters.
I love this country, just not the right wing part! Civil War!
We need to rid the country of the filthy unions. The Teamsters and the Hoffa's. What a wonderful legacy.
You wish you could then we would all be serfs. Righties use the Unions as the Boogyman and your post proves it. 40 hr. work week, 8 hr. day, employer health insurance, child labor laws, safety at the job site, etc. thank unions. Be educated before becoming a parrot of the Reich Wing!
Steve-Brenda Rickel
You're an exploited tool. I feel sorry for you.
Jim DeLeo: Exploited tool? Such an intelligent response for losing an argument. Don't feel sorry for me. I look at fact before I form my views unlike those of you who take marching orders from Rush, Hannity, Beck and Fox News.
Jim DeLeo: Exploited tool? Such an intelligent response for losing an argument. Don't feel sorry for me. I look at fact before I form my views unlike those of you who take marching orders from Rush, Hannity, Beck and Fox News.
Steve-Brenda Rickel … Unions do in fact do some good….but, in kentucky they don't. My husband and myself lived in Louisville, KY and his job was union…either we had to pay $5.00 to be in it or $7.00 to stay out of it and that was per pay period. How is that good? Then we moved back home to NH and his job now is at the PSNY (navy yard) and the union up here actually is a good one…nothing like the one in KY…. Help me out here….not to knowledge based on the unions but does each state who has unions are their bi-laws created separately in each state? I've asked other union presidents thru emails, but they didn't respond. You seem to be intelligent on unions, please give me some sort of clue here.
Steve-Brenda Rickel Not necessarily! I worked for both, got the same hours, work week, insurance (health & life) and safety rules. So this is not a total truth.
Angela Cleveland, You didn't understand my post. We have these rules due to the labor unions forcing the government to make laws concerning workers.
LIBS are the stupidest species on earth.
They hate facts.
Jim DeLeo: Let's talk facts. Give it your best shot!
Libtards are incredibly stupid and naive it's just part of their DNA
Libtards are incredibly stupid and naive it's just part of their DNA
Joe Grabowski -The scariest thing about the liberals is they are permitted to reproduce.
Another lamebrain liberal should be exile or move to another country!
I'm glad this anti-American twit doesn't live in my home town… I would have to fly the Flag of my country in front of her house every day….I pledge alegience to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republicfor which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all….
Maybe she's a right-wing supporter of states rights and ain't gonna pledge to that there federal government n thar flag
The sheeple allowed her to dominate them when it was obvious she was in the wrong. They, the sheep, should have stood in union and recited the pledge no matter what she had to say. I would hope that a crowd of well meaning people could over shout one wimpy little commie wench. If they can't, they deserve to be made servants to the state.
fuck them moo slim loving bitches.
ELITIST from DARTMOUTH! It figures, NO COMMON SENSE! If I was there, she would have been….SHUT-DOWN! The other members….SHOULD HAVE…REFUSED TO LET THE MEETING BEGIN! I would have PUNCHED this IDIOT ELITIST….from DARTMOUTH…IN HER NOSE!
SIGNED: DANIEL L. BUSHEY
So she feels no Allegiance to the United States of America I hope the voters show her the same level of allegiance come the next election.
I think she needs to find herself a new country to live in. "Love it or Leav it!"
Why didn't the others just stand and recite the pledge anyway? She couldn't stop them….
she should be voted out of her position. she has no right to do this and must pay for her actions. she is an idiot.
Vote her and her poems out.
" I'd rather not"? What the hell! Does this Commie ass kissing broad think that the Pledge of Allegiance is like sex? "Oh I don't think that I can do it tonight. Well sweetie, I think that the city can do without your Commie serving services ever again. There's the door, don't let it hit you in the ass on the way out.
One guess which political party Freitag is affiliated with.
The pledge isn't in the Constitution; it was written in 1892 by a Socialist preacher. In Massachusetts, it is not a legal requirement to recite the Pledge at a public meeting. To those who want to compel their fellow citizens to recite loyalty pledges: you might find a country like North Korea to be more compatible to your point of view than a democracy. What do you think "with liberty and justice for all" means?
when is America going to wake up and rid its self of these COMMUNIST STOOGES In Nov we should rid ourselves of the No.1 STOOGE OBUMBLES.
IF I LIVED THERE, I WOULD MAKE HER LIFE A LIVING HELL. YOU ALL KNOW WHERE SHE LIVES, SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO EXERCISE YOUR CONSITUTIONAL RIGHTS TO ASSEMBLY AND FREE SPEECH.
To all my " righty " friends out there. Please refrain from stooping to the left wing liberal M O of distorting the truth and hurling nasty personal attacks. We know this country was founded on sound Christian principals and we will return to that heritage hopefully sooner rather than later. The divide in our nation is growing every day and the crack started somewhere near 1600 Penn. ave. Lets all just work together to end the nightmare come November and restart the Great American Dream. We are bigger than all of this!
she wants to be famous.
THEY SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN UP AND LEAD THE AUDIENCE IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IN SPITE OF HER. HOPEFULLY, NEXT TIME THEY WILL. REPUBLIC OR DEMOCRACY, THIS IS WHAT WE DO. WE DON'T LIVE IN A DICTATORSHIP YET.
THEY SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN UP AND LEAD THE AUDIENCE IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IN SPITE OF HER. HOPEFULLY, NEXT TIME THEY WILL. REPUBLIC OR DEMOCRACY, THIS IS WHAT WE DO. WE DON'T LIVE IN A DICTATORSHIP YET.
Have you ever actually seen Obama Pledge Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America?
I haven't in three long years.
Doesn't believe in our country. He wants to be a KING!
Angela Cleveland, there you are wrapped in the American flag saying someone else doesn't believe in "our" country. What a stupid statement to make. You might want to clarify your statement to say, "The President doesn't believe in "my" idea of what this country stands for." That would be a correct statement. However, I am certain your idea of what America "should be" is BAT SHIT CRAZY!
I hope this America hating liberal gets run over by a bus.
Good for her. I don't pledge to the Federal flag. The words of the pledge come from the loyalty oaths forced upon conquered Southerners. And they are also untrue. The US is not 'one nation' – that word is not in the Constitution. The peoples of the US are clearly not of one national background; there are many nations of people here. Less and less is the US 'under God' either because it has rejected God in favour of a secular, anti-religious agenda. Nor is any government anywhere 'indivisible' – as Jefferson said in the Declaration of Independence, the people always retain the right to alter or abolish their government. And finally, it's a joke that the US provides 'liberty and justice for all.' The elites buy their justice and the rest of us get what they dish out to us.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
She should be stripped of her U.S. citenship and made to leave the country and never be allowed back in for any reason.
I believe this woman is a Jack-ss, but as I read the comments here people keep calling Obama and the Libs stupid morons. Trust me they are not at all. They have a plan and are following it to a T, bring down America as it stands and turn it into a neo-socialistic society that they control in its entirety. They need to.
be challenged every chance and at every turn and exposed for what they really are, People who want to tell you how to live and what to say and do! But don't fall into the trap that Obama and his cronies are stupid fools. If you do then the only fool will be us who let this happen. Stand up to these people and put them back in there place!
From history: the last President (democrat) who is overlooked is Grover Cleveland. He is the last president to have this country in the green, and everyone was happy, patriotic, and at once content with the government. He did not believe in giving away money, and the country thrived. Where is one of these presidents now?
if she is an elected offical , the folly ofher actions will be rewarded.
Now everyone knows who to vote for in the upcoming election. We need to rid our government of this anti-patriotic scurge. If politicians cease to be patriotic, they need to be standing in the unemployment lines that they have created!
Totally agree!
everyone needs to stop with the whole " its obamas fault " thing its getting old… what we are going through is no different then what we've been going through for the last fifty years….just because yur guy lost 4 years ago stop being a sore looser… its ridiculous… romney isn't going to fix anything overnight so it really doesn't matter who gets elected cuz hes just going to waste time tryiong to reverse everything obama did then well be back to sqare one in 6 years…. so please people if want to blame anyone blame past presidents and governments including the current administration as well as congress and senate for their lack of partisanship and honesty over the decades…. not one lawmaker in washington actually cares about you me or our children they really care about themselves, families and pockets…. I bet if all of you were a senator or congressman you would too…. that's the way it is , and that's the way its going to stay…. that's life then you die…. get over it.
Well Matt, when a President (elephant or Jackass) does things contrary to the Constitution, then it's time to speak, clarify it, and kick his ass out of office. That is how to get over it!
This is another example of (1) poor Leadership, (2) incompetent decision making (3) a complete Lack of appreciation and respect for United States of America and the Pledge of Allegiance. BTW “The Pledge of Allegiance, “an expression of loyalty to the federal flag and the Republic. I would hope anyone representing a city, state or Federal municipality would embrace the values of our Nation.
roflmao. What was the POEM? Come on, name the poem. Maybe it was patriotic.
maybe she hates America and everything the Republic stands for? Obviously she was arrogant enough to believe…and get away with…controlling whether anyone else would be able to recite the pledge of Allegience. Very pathetic
While I think the board is justifiably concerned about the omission of the pledge, they also need to pay some attention to the deplorable condition of the flag shown flying in front of the building. Check the video around 0:50 and you will see frayed edges, and the bottom stripe separating.
"My students felt this was a wonderful lesson on how the media can control the agenda," said Freitag, who teaches at the University of Massachusetts at Dartmouth. Really! We're all just mindless drones… so condescending. "It doesn't matter why she did it," Theis said. "She ignored a policy." Exactly! Even if it wasn't a policy it was a tradition that obviously people wanted to follow. She works for the people not the other way around. She is so arrogant it's unbelievable! So you do not want to say the pledge, it's your right. But if the town has decided that they prefer to start the meeting with the pledge then show some respect for the people who hired you and ask someone else to lead it.
I personally think that they should have packed her up and sent her to another country! Too many radicals against our government and a nation that is supposed to be "One Nation Under God". So you want to be an atheist? Then sit down and shut up. Don't try to make the government and the taxpaying citizens conform to you! No one should have a right to change anything, like the pledge, the flag, or anything else we hold dear as patriotism to our country without a public vote! They wanted the Georgia flag changed….it was fought tooth and nail….finally was put to a vote. It was a shame it was changed, but majority ruled. If you don't like it in America, leave it. We will all be happy you left!
I personally think that they should have packed her up and sent her to another country! Too many radicals against our government and a nation that is supposed to be "One Nation Under God". So you want to be an atheist? Then sit down and shut up. Don't try to make the government and the taxpaying citizens conform to you! No one should have a right to change anything, like the pledge, the flag, or anything else we hold dear as patriotism to our country without a public vote! They wanted the Georgia flag changed….it was fought tooth and nail….finally was put to a vote. It was a shame it was changed, but majority ruled. If you don't like it in America, leave it. We will all be happy you left!