May 4, 2012
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A yearbook profile about a homosexual student’s experiences at Lenoir City High School, in east Tennessee, has ignited protests among students and parents as well as calls for an investigation from some school officials.
“I have received an unbelievable number of emails from parents and concerned citizens,” Lenoir City High School Principal Steve Millsaps told the Knoxville News Sentinel. The yearbooks were distributed to students last Friday.
The profile, titled “It’s OK to be Gay,” tells the story of student Zac Mitchell. The article was written by another student who did not want to be identified for fear of retaliation.
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Mitchell said his family has known he was gay since he was three-years-old.
“They knew when they saw me kissing a boy behind the monkey bars,” he said. The article goes on to describe Mitchell’s cross-dressing and being “hit on by straight guys.”
He also talked about bullying and said “he hopes “that he can help people who are struggling with coming out about being gay themselves.”
The outcry in this small Tennessee community has been significant. Students told the Associated Press that petitions were being circulated urging them to tear the page from their yearbook during graduation.
One viewer wrote television station WATE wondering why an entire page was “dedicated to someone because he kissed a boy when he was 3.”
“No one else had a full page dedicated to them and some of the school clubs did not get their group pictures put in it,” the viewer wrote. “I guess we see what is the most important in the high school.”
An email was circulated throughout the community calling the story “vile.”
“It is time to take a stand for our faith,” the email read. “We aren’t being called to risk our lives and go before a king like Nehemiah – but our walls are broken down and our gates are burning. We aren’t called to sit in a prison like Paul – but we are certainly in bondage. We can no longer sit idly by. We live in a world where soon it may be illegal just to speak the name of our Savior.”
Van Shaver, a member of the Loudon County School Board, called for a criminal investigation into the yearbook’s faculty adviser – James Yoakley.
“My concern is that if we have teachers having conservations with underage children about sexual orientation, sexual activities, or cross-dressing – that is a line that I think is a major problem,” Shaver told Fox News. “If the adviser has been found to have inappropriate communication with students, you better believe he should be dismissed.”
Yoakley defended the profile in email correspondence with the Student Press Law Center. He said it was “the right and legal thing to do.”
“The editor tried to capture the school from all the different ways and places students fit into the school community,” he wrote to the SPLC. “She did it quite well. The gay student was just one of many ‘elements’ we covered.”
This is not the first time Yoakley’s journalism students have courted controversy. In February, the newspaper editor was denied permission to publish an essay titled “No Rights. The Life of an Atheist.”
Shaver said he has grave concerns about Yoakley’s actions.
“I personally don’t think the yearbook is the place to be promoting anybody’s sexual orientation or activities – whether it be homosexuals, heterosexuals or anybody else,” he said.”
Shaver said he wanted to stress that he was not attacking the student.
“I have no issue with the young man that was featured in the annual,” he said. “If he chooses to be gay, that’s his choice. I don’t have a problem with that. Everybody can make their own decision how they want to live their lives.”
However, Shaver said that several years ago the same adviser refused to publish a story about a severely injured student who credited her recovery to her Christian faith because it violated the so-called separation of church and state.
C.E. Jackson, III, the pastor of First Baptist Church, Lenoir City’s largest congregation, expressed his concern in an email statement to Fox News.
“Any article in Lenoir City High School’s yearbook that focuses on any student’s past sexual experiences, present sexual practices, or future sexual aspirations is entirely inappropriate and should not have been included in this publication,” Jackson wrote. “This is especially true given the fact that the vast majority of students at Lenoir City High School are technically under legal age.”
However, Mitchell’s story has drawn support. More than 1,300 people joined a Facebook page called “Take a Stand Against the Ignorance in Lenoir City.”
“They have done everything except grab the pitchforks and torches to the school and it is a damn shame,” wrote on supporter. “Let’s prove that love overpowers ignorance.”
Michael Cole-Schwartz, the director of communications for the Human Rights Commission, praised both Mitchell and the student yearbook staff.
The fact is that there are gay kids growing up in towns and cities across the country and it sounds like this story reflects this reality and hopefully has opened up some folks’ minds to the experience of being a gay person in that community,” he told Fox News.
Cole-Schwartz said there was absolutely nothing wrong with the yearbook article.
“I would hope that folks would step back and understand that it is okay to be gay and the experiences of this young person in this town are something they should think about – whether or not their community is welcoming and open to all people,” he said.
Shaw said his decision to speak out has come with a price. He said he’s been getting violent threats from across the country.
He said one national news reporter began verbally attacking him during a telephone interview.
“He was ranting quite heavily about why am I picking on children – why am I not picking on adult gay people who can bash my head,” Shaw said. “The (violent) response has been unbelievable. The only thing I’ve said is that I have a concern about adults interacting with children in an appropriate way.
The Lenoir City School superintendent refused to comment – and Yoakley did not return messages seeking comment.
With reporting from the Associated Press
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Unacceptable.
The yearbook is not an appropriate place for this kind of "soap box." So, the rights of some of the high school clubs to be in the yearbook were denied to publish this full page political propaganda piece. Can you imagine if the football team's pictures were removed to do something like this? All hell would be breaking loose.
Seriously, this teacher needs fired, and the yearbook needs reprinted without this page, instead including the clubs that were omitted, and the school should have to replace the yearbooks of anyone who purchased one.
Something else I just noticed: read the pdf of the yearbook page. It is poorly written and even has misspelled words (their instead of there). Did a student write this? If so, then this English teacher who is in charge of the yearbook isn't a very good one. Or, was this written in this manner to make us think it was a student and was actually the teacher?
Jeffery Clark Omg it was a HIGH SCHOOL student who wrote it – what did you expect? A few errors but were you perfect at writing in high school? I've always been a writer but I've noticed reading my old stuff that I had some errors. No one is perfect.
It wasn't a "soap box." This apparently wasn't the first time they wrote an article in the yearbook. Where is an "appropriate" place for it? It was his high school experience. I don't recall reading that clubs had been denied to be in the yearbook. I think they could've included the Christian girl but not my choice.
I don't see how that teacher needs to be fired. More teachers need to support students like that kid and show people it's okay if you're homosexual. There's nothing wrong with it. You know my brother had to hide who he was until he graduated high school. I had no clue he was homosexual until he told me. He never got to do the things everyone else did – is that fair? All because we lived in a small town with ignorance and hatred toward homosexuals – oh and they were extremely racist too. Anyone "different" wasn't welcomed. Unless you had money.
Kelly Calder Was I perfect? No, but when I made mistakes, they were caught and corrected or I got a lower grade. Certainly, if it was going to print, it should have been proofread and edited.
It was too a soap box. An appropriate place would've been the editorial section of the school newspaper. A high school yearbook is not the place to make a political-social statement.
Quoted: “No one else had a full page dedicated to them and some of the school clubs did not get their group pictures put in it,” the viewer wrote. “I guess we see what is the most important in the high school.”
Jeffery Clark It should have been proofread better – is that all you can dig out of it? A high school yearbook is not a place to make political-social statement? HA! There are all KINDS of statements made in yearbooks. Plus who really gives a crap what is in the yearbook? Do you go back and read the yearbooks from when you were in high school? I sure don't. I've seen some and I just think I looked like a dork or what were we thinking with styles and hair. But there were classes who would throw things in to make a statement. Usually it was subtle for only their class to know but it was in there. It's just high school and just a yearbook. Not the Holy Grail or something.
Oh and because a "viewer" said that school clubs didn't get their picture put in..I'd have to see the actual yearbook to know if that's true. That could be a disgruntled person. I have yet to meet anyone 12 years later after I graduated who is upset with something in the yearbook. Or anyone in other classes. I think this is just people who don't want anyone to put a positive light on homosexual teens.
Jeffery Clark EXACTLY thats why they have a staff adviser to edit and proof read something like that. I couldn't agree more with the comment "I guess we see what is the most important in the high school"
Stop treating LGBT as second class citizens and they will not feel the need to do such things. The LGBT agenda is Equality versus the Church which still strifes to keep some people in a second class status. This is especially true in the hateful former Confederacy.
Kelly Calder It was not a mistake there is a lot of difference between There and Their
Jeffery Clark : I think Jeffery Clark is just pissed his high school gym teacher's mistake was never corrected. He is still gross and fat.
Kelly Calder – it's not okay to be a pervert. Ever. If one wants to do that fine, but it's not a natural behavior.
Jeffery Clark – Gay collaborator working on the book as well.
Jeffery Clark – Gay collaborator working on the book as well.
No. However, lets just take personal pics and get rid of all groups pics. Maybe we should get rid of all dances too. Maybe sex education in your eyes. Hmm, no. You need to look yourself in the mirror and remember when you chose to be white, with brown hair and a heterosexual. Ask yourself when you decided you needed glasses too.
Kelly Calder The statement you just made "It's okay if you're homosexual" is exactly where you are mistaken. It's okay BY YOU. But not BY ME. If you said it's okay if "I am" I would have to agree. But making a blanket statement that it is okay for anyone to be a homosexual is no longer a personal opinion but rather YOUR AGENDA and are pushing it on others. Therein lies the difference. Keep it first person and we'll get a long. Plus talking about homosexuals IS talking about SEX not a club of guys sitting around knitting their longjohns. So NO it is not okay to write about YOUR personal encounters with gay sex in a year book. Anymore than it would be okay for a heterosexual to proclaim their love for a female. It' about still about SEX! Leave it out, nobody cares who's fudging who.
Kelly Calder The statement you just made "It's okay if you're homosexual" is exactly where you are mistaken. It's okay BY YOU. But not BY ME. If you said it's okay if "I am" I would have to agree. But making a blanket statement that it is okay for anyone to be a homosexual is no longer a personal opinion but rather YOUR AGENDA and are pushing it on others. Therein lies the difference. Keep it first person and we'll get a long. Plus talking about homosexuals IS talking about SEX not a club of guys sitting around knitting their longjohns. So NO it is not okay to write about YOUR personal encounters with gay sex in a year book. Anymore than it would be okay for a heterosexual to proclaim their love for a female. It' about still about SEX! Leave it out, nobody cares who's fudging who.
Chuck Courtier I may agree that the yearbook article was a little too revealing for a high school yearbook, but I could not disagree more with your assertion that saying "it's okay to be gay" is some kind of agenda.
Kelly Calder
No it is not okay and there is something wrong with it. It is deviant conduct and the conduct homosexual males engage in shorten there lives an average of twenty years less than heterosexual males. Haveing searched the homes of homosexuals while serving warrants I can tell you they live a miserable existance and most I have searched had child porn also. There is nothing gay about it and you help premote there misery. If they were granted all there goals tomorrow of marriage and acceptance which will never really happen they would still be iserable because they know they are leading a perverse life.
jeffy you look like a closet queen, just sayin.
Leo Monteiro …Spoken like a true deviant dud. Just sayin'.
..SODOMITES….It's time to repent before your time runs out! Do it today! Fall on your faces and ask Jesus Christ to have MERCY ON YOU! Tell him you believe the Gospel.
"The Gospel is the power of God for the salvation of EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES." Romans, chapter 1.
"The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." 1 Corinthians, chaper 1.
Les Redmon put down your bible and pick up a science book; and take a history course.
Leo Monteiro, looks like you like boys.
So are you telling me that there is not one picture of a heterosexual couple holding hands or hugging in the yearbook? I bet there are quite a few if it looks anything like mine did. 1 full page vs the hundreds of happy non-gay couples posing for a picture while holding each other. Hmmm, seems fair to me
How is it that some of the clubs were NOT included, yet this page was included? Where was the principal when this happened?
Leo Monteiro ….Read John in the Holy Bible (the only holy book on the planet). Read it carefully and slowly…and honestly.
Kelly Calder It's not ok to be Homosexual what the hell is wrong with you…
Jeffery Clark ….Ignore BS Elmore, he's just a skinny queer locked in his Northern Ky University dorm room with a goat. Oh, and he says he's cultured.
Evidently when you disagree with these people they go and make a facebook account trying to impersonate you and make people believe you are gay. The person using the profile "Jeffrey Clark" is not me. I will be filing a complaint of criminal impersonation with the police. In Illinois, online impersonation is a Class A Misdemeanor, punishable by up to one year in jail and a $2,500 fine.
Jeffery Clark …The sexual deviants are the most wicked bullies around. That was shown by one of their leaders recently, Savage is his name. I applaud you reporting one of them. We are fighting for the spiritual welfare of many people…our Nation.
There are other sexual deviants, not just the homosexuals. It also includes those weak, corrupt people who defend and enable the sodomites and others. It's the Media, Hollywood, leaders in our government, weak leaders of several corporations, schools, and those who have low sexual restraint and rotten culture.
Les Redmon I notice you never mention the many Popes who were "sexual deviants" nor any of the hundreds upon hundreds of priests and ministers who were caught molesting children. Apparently homosexuality done with consenting adults in love is a sin in your eyes, but no other sin exists in this world…
What is really sad is that the ones who cannot have a civilized disagreement about things and resort to the preschool tactics of calling names and intimidation drag down everyone who does want to have a dialogue on the subject.
Again, I am entitled to my opinion just as much as you are yours. In fact, the behavior that you (the general you) are exhibiting is exactly the kind of behavior that the LGBT community says they abhor. So I say practice what you preach. Be tolerant of those different than you and don't try and force us heterosexuals to change just to make you and your homosexual ilk more comfortable. You don't want to hear what I have to say? That's fine. Go away and you'll never have to hear me again. In fact, you probably shouldn't be trolling around this website.
Kelly Calder I tell you what, next year I am going to post an article that says its not ok to be gay and watch what happens, or better yet, I am going to place one that says its ok to have sex with dogs or farm animals. Those people have just as much rights as you do, right. If I teach my children it is not ok to be gay, it is not the responsibility of any teacher, student, or whatever to go against my word that I teach my children. Just the same I do not want my children taught church doctrine or I do not want them taught that they need to practice safe sex when I tell them that abstinence is the only way. School is a place to learn math, science, social studies, etc. I am completely fed up with the "gay community" attacking us. My sister is gay and I love her and have a great relationship with her. If you want to be gay be gay, no one is stopping you, do what you want. But when you take a school yearbook, that all the children get and which the parents pay for, most of which do not believe in homosexuality, and you sneak an article in it to push your agenda thats when it goes too far. It was the fact of what they did and how they did it that is completely wrong. If the kid wants to be gay, let him be gay. I do not care what anyone else does, STOP TRYING TO FORCE ME TO ACCEPT IT!!!!! You know it's also funny how people that don't even live here love to chime in on these issues and you DO NOT KNOW what all is going on here! This along with the FFRF trying to tell us we can't pray! IT is enough
Fagcists are the most intolerant of the so called tolerant.
While I don't like the term you used, the sentiment of the argument is sound. Perhaps the most intolerant people are the ones who demand it from everyone else.
Thank You god Million Time…These Old bigoted, merciless, judgmental christian are the dying breed…
It is the Anti-Christ Religious Right that is intolerant
Jeffery Clark & Eric Henery, When you are beaten down year after year (physically, legally, emotionally, spiritually), eventually you stop asking nicely and trying to be acquiescent to those who abuse you and you start demanding that people treat you like a human being that has feelings, that hurts, that has goals, dreams and wants nothing more that to love the person they so choose, and have equal protection under the law. Yes, we demand it, but only because we are damned tired of grovelling. If you recall, the same thing happened mm… 50 years ago in the south. Were the black people being "intolerant" when they demanded equal rights?
Travis Wickline , don't compare black persons to queers who are abnormal, deviant. Black persons are none of these. The thought of a man giving it to another man in their feces hole and coming out with feces on their joint; the thought to normal males is enough to make them through up!!!! Should have been culled at birth like that which is done to animals which these queers are . . . actually less than animals.
Jeffery Clark. You mean like Christians.
Jeffery Clark. You mean like Christians.
Jeffery Clark Sound? My my you are presumptuous. Who made you the all knowing? Wake up. Tolerance works on both sides too.
…Eric Henery……….So true. The sexual deviants are the most intolerant of anyone and aggressive in attacking Christians and others. They hate anyone who tells them they are wrong. It drives them nuts. That's because they are in the deepest of spiritual darkness.
Les Redmon Hahahahaaaaa. Oh wait, you were serious.
Les Redmon It is the Anit-Christ Religious Right that are treating so many as second class citizens.
It is not "ignorant" to not condone a lifestyle which one does not agree with. Why must the homosexual community always begin name-calling by placing labels on Christians who don't agree with their lifestyle. The pushing of the homosexual agenda in our public schools is an outrage. Christian students cannot pray in school, can't hug their friends, etc, but yet the schools allow teachers and students to talk openly about their sexual orientation. This truly is becoming a world where good is seen as evil and evil is seen as good. God help us all.
Why do some Christians have to name-call people who they don't agree with? Goes both ways. No one is pushing the homosexual "agenda." No one said "You better be homosexual or else." They just told the kid's story. Calm down. If you're not already homosexual no one can make you be one.
Kelly Calder, anyone's personal beliefs about what they do in their bedroom does not belong in the classroom. Plain and simple. School is NOT the place to talk about "alternative lifestyles". I don't want my child exposed to sodomy in the schools. I want her to learn what the schools were designed to teach; reading, writing, math, science, and history. Does she need to hear about and learn about alternative lifestyles there? Absolutely not.
Nancy Overton When did he say what he does in the bedroom? When? He didn't. "Alternative lifestyles?" It's not "alternative." That is how that boy is – he's homosexual. Deal with it. People who are homosexual don't "choose" to be that way. They are born that way. Did you "choose" to be heterosexual? If so why would you "choose" that? That would mean you had homosexual tendencies. Obviously you didn't.
Also you do realize your children are exposed to sodomy when they talk to each other right? You do know that oral sex is considered sodomy as well right? If you didn't know that then yes, oral sex – which many teenagers perform – is sodomy. Also heterosexuals perform anal sex; it's not just homosexual men who do it.
Do you really think they're talking about homosexual sex because of this one student's article? Really? You can't be that naive.
Nancy Overton When did he say what he does in the bedroom? When? He didn't. "Alternative lifestyles?" It's not "alternative." That is how that boy is – he's homosexual. Deal with it. People who are homosexual don't "choose" to be that way. They are born that way. Did you "choose" to be heterosexual? If so why would you "choose" that? That would mean you had homosexual tendencies. Obviously you didn't.
Also you do realize your children are exposed to sodomy when they talk to each other right? You do know that oral sex is considered sodomy as well right? If you didn't know that then yes, oral sex – which many teenagers perform – is sodomy. Also heterosexuals perform anal sex; it's not just homosexual men who do it.
Do you really think they're talking about homosexual sex because of this one student's article? Really? You can't be that naive.
Kelly Calder so it is ok to remove everything to do with christianity from schools and public places because it "offends" others but its ok to "express" personal sexuality anywhere and everywhere one chooses? I personally would be offended from a heterosexual "expressing" themselves in a "SCHOOL" book, in public or anywhere a "child" is, reads or anything else….so why is it ok to "express" homosexuality? If christianity is offensive and hateful to others well certain things are offensive and hateful to us, especially certain things that are stated by the bible as being morally wrong. If you expect others to respect the rights of Homosexuals then why cant you and others respect christians? Why can't we express ourselves? Besides as I stated "sexual" anything is not proper for school items or around CHILDREN, excuse me but most people know child porn is not only immoral but legally wrong so why is it ok to show a child that being homosexual is ok? It all has to do with sex, so it is in all ways no matter how you look at it wrong….
Kelly Calder so it is ok to remove everything to do with christianity from schools and public places because it "offends" others but its ok to "express" personal sexuality anywhere and everywhere one chooses? I personally would be offended from a heterosexual "expressing" themselves in a "SCHOOL" book, in public or anywhere a "child" is, reads or anything else….so why is it ok to "express" homosexuality? If christianity is offensive and hateful to others well certain things are offensive and hateful to us, especially certain things that are stated by the bible as being morally wrong. If you expect others to respect the rights of Homosexuals then why cant you and others respect christians? Why can't we express ourselves? Besides as I stated "sexual" anything is not proper for school items or around CHILDREN, excuse me but most people know child porn is not only immoral but legally wrong so why is it ok to show a child that being homosexual is ok? It all has to do with sex, so it is in all ways no matter how you look at it wrong….
Maria Elena Reyes Whitley Wow overreactions abound lol. Homosexuality isn't a choice. Religion is. No one is born a Christian or born any other religion. If you want your kids to get some religion with their schooling, send them to a private school. That's what they're for. Public schools really shouldn't have religion in them. The only time religion should be discussed is how it impacted history. That's it.
He never talked about any sexual acts at all. I never said Christianity was "offensive" and it's not hateful. SOME people who are Christians are the ones who make it SEEM hateful.
No one said you can't express yourself – who said you can't? At a public school isn't necessary. I think public schools should have a uniform too. That would solve issues.
No one is promoting homosexuality. You are comparing this teenager's sexuality to "child porn?" Do you have a mental problem or something? Do you know what child porn is? Okay so it's okay for people to talk about heterosexuality but not homosexuality? It's not "all about sex." If that were true, then showing heterosexual teenagers kissing or holding hands would be "child porn" according to YOUR definition of it.
It IS okay for someone to be homosexual or heterosexual. There's nothing wrong – it's WHO they are!! Why is that so hard to understand?
Kelly Calder, the main reason it is so "hard to understand" to a Christian, is because we do not believe that people are born that way. I personally believe that being homosexual is a choice that a person makes. The only difference between a homosexual person and a heterosexual person is what happens in the bedroom, so yes, that makes talking about that in a public school setting inappropriate. Religion (especially Christianity) isn't talked about in our schools, and recently a student was suspended from a school for wearing a christian messaged t-shirt to school (http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/school-says-jesus-shirt-is-hate-speech.html). It's a shame that those that scream for tolerance are typically the least tolerant when it comes to someone who has a difference of opinion. Just as atheists and liberals don't want ANY mention of Christ in our schools, Christians would prefer not having things like homosexuality constantly shoved in our faces in a public school. What people do at home is their own business, keep it at home.
I am gay and knew I was gay at early adolescence, just as a heterosexual knows it. I am completely outraged that some people in modern day society still think that homosexuality is a choice or an "alternative" lifestyle. It is not. I am a productive member of society, have a full-time job as a tax accountant, with a master's degree. I don't commit crimes and I live a healthy lifestyle. I understand that many religions out there condone homosexuality, but the fact is that it is a human reality. Every society on the planet has a small percentage of its population being homosexual, for thousands of years now.
It's very sad that in America in 2012, that there are people out there who don't approve of who I am, even though I cannot help it. I am a male who is sexually attracted to other males; not females. It's been that way since I was 13 years old. And I think it's VERY important that public schools educate students about the diverse kinds of people in our society, because it's a reality. It's not a "gay agenda." It's about educating students about the reality of diverse peoples. The objective is to promote tolerance and diminish hatred and bigotry.
Hope you understand.
Nancy Overton Well you don't have to believe people are born homosexual. It is true though.
Why on Earth would anyone choose to live a life of persecution, discrimination and just constant hate thrown at them? The only thing most homosexuals have ever chosen is to HIDE their sexuality and lie about who they are. I can guarantee you that my brother did not choose to be homosexual at all. He was born that way and all he chose was to hide until he moved out of the house. Also he didn't "learn" it anywhere either. Heterosexual parents, lived in a very conservative, rural town in the Midwest. In fact, they never have really allowed non-white people in that town. If he had ever come out as a homosexual, he would've probably gotten strung on a fence post like that Matthew Sheppard kid did. If someone "chooses" sexuality that would mean people "choose" to be heterosexual. But you didn't choose it – you just happen to be that way because that's how you were born. Some people are just born homosexual.
Yes I know about the damn Jesus T-shirt and you know what – I don't know if he should've been suspended but that message on the the shirt seems to contradict what Jesus' message was but I digress that's a different topic.
The only time religion should be mentioned in PUBLIC schools is how it impacted historical events. If you want religion in your kids' education, send them to a damn private school. That's what those are for. Public schools are funded by the government and should not favor one religion over another. So don't have any and you have no issue.
Well I would prefer not having RELIGION shoved in my face but Christians seem to do it quite often. No one is "shoving" homosexuality in anyone's face. You have to deal with the fact there are people who are homosexuals. They are normal, kind and caring people. Of course there are some assholes among homosexuals just like there are jerks among CHristians and every other religious group. But there are also homosexuals who are Christians (oh can't wait for the vile reaction to THAT statement). You'll say "no homosexual can be a Christian" but I've met quite a few. My friend's brother is uber Christian. You ask them what they think about Leviticus' ideas on homosexuality. That's all that is in the Bible. Can anyone show me where Jesus specifically says he condemns homosexuals? Anyone? Anywhere?
The point is that this kid did not put out his sexual business. So why can someone say they are heterosexual and that's not putting their sexual business out there? Your logic makes no sense sorry.
Nicholas Papa Exactly!!! I'm a female and I've always been attracted to males. I didn't choose it. It just happened that way. One of my older brothers came out when he was 19 or 20. I was the first person he came out to. It took me a bit by surprise but once I thought about it, it made sense. But you know what? He's been happier the last 11 years or so then he ever really was growing up. He said he knew since he was five – but he never had an outlet for it. He couldn't go on dates with guys, couldn't have a relationship because in our town he would've gotten beaten or even killed. I feel so bad for him that he had to live a lie. But he's in a committed relationship and I just saw him a few months ago and he is truly happy. He is also the exact same person he always was now he's just honest.
It is sad that in 2012 people act this way.
Kelly Calder – Then show me the homosexual gene. It doesn't exist. He has chosen to choose males over females. A disgusting and perverted lifestyle. What's next, beastiality?
Kelly Calder – Then show me the homosexual gene. It doesn't exist. He has chosen to choose males over females. A disgusting and perverted lifestyle. What's next, beastiality?
Nancy Overton I wish one of your dearest children or your husband of 40 yrs turn out to be a gay, that will be a justice from GOD for ya!!!!
Frank Davis Did you miss what he said? He never "chose" it. Scientists have shown people are born homosexual by the way.
"Disgusting and perverted lifestyle?" Really? You know how many among heterosexuals have "perverted and disgusting" sex lives?!?!!?! Wow – and bestiality is NOT the same as homosexuality. Wow you made a huge leap there. You don't have to like it and you don't have to agree with it. But what's wrong with two consenting adults in a committed relationship?
@Kelly Calder: And another methodology used by the left: deny an action is taking place and insinuate something against those opposed to said action. Its a psy-op and you should know that, since you are Army. I don't eat puppies and and I'm not afraid someone is going to make me do so…but I still find eating puppies repugnant and I wouldn't want to see a story about it in a high school yearbook.
Kelly Calder What I have a problem with is the fact that homosexuality is being put in a yearbook, when it should be about school activities not sex, it is like child porn, when you put in a yearbook that it’s ok to be homosexual it’s ok to do things that are private as long as you are gay, then it is porn to a child. It would be the same if it was an article about heterosexuality, I do not see it as right to put such a thing in a school book, if so many see it as wrong and hateful to talk about Jesus, whom loved everyone, He died for the world, He ate and spent his time with those that He knew the religious people condemned, He talked about forgiveness and love, He even forgave those that planned on killing Him, even today He is hated, denied, His word the bible is condemned, burned and spit on, yet everything else is glorified…sex is glorified in magazines, on TV, in children’s programs, everywhere I see and hear about sexuality, the way people dress, they way they behave even at the mall, it is bad enough as it is being pushed in everyday life so I do not feel it should be put in a school book at all. It is porn with a child to discuss in a yearbook, it is child porn whether its homo or hetero, if it talks about being sexual in any way in a school book then it’s wrong, and it does not even compare to talking about Jesus or God, when you talk about Jesus/God we talk about being forgiving, about standing for the weak, the innocent, the ones that are hurt or hated, He taught us to love everyone, then why is it ok to hate the bible, and hate Him, yet it’s ok to promote sex to children? If we do not stand up and say enough now, where does it stop? Where do we say we cannot allow certain things to be discussed with children? Where do we say it’s not ok to put in a Childs book? what it comes down to is it is promoting sex to young students, and it is wrong no matter what anyone says.
Kirk Mooneyham First of all, I'm neither on the left or the right. I'm not liberal or conservative and not Democrat or Republican. I agree and disagree with things on both sides.
"It's psyop and you should know that since you're Army." LMAO!! Do you think we all learn PSYOPs or something? That is a completely different job in itself. I never learned PSYOPs. Sorry guy.
I didn't insinuate anything so don't know where you get that. I can't believe you just compared homosexuality to eating puppies. Not the same thing at all.
Maria Elena Reyes Whitley Do you remember anything from your yearbooks? It's not ABOUT SEX!!!! So it's okay to show a heterosexual couple in the yearbook holding hands or at the prom and that's not child porn but an ARTICLE about a homosexual student is porn? That makes no sense.
It is okay to be homosexual IF THAT'S WHO YOU ARE. Just like it's okay to be heterosexual if that's who you are. Lol omg!! Yeah and Jesus never condemned homosexuals. Ever. Who cares if the Bible is burned and spit on. It's just a book. Just like the Quran and every other religious text. If you need that to have your faith…well I guess you're not as faithful as you thought. Pretty sure Jesus preached without a Bible. Oh yeah it wasn't written until YEARS after he died AND not in his words. It was written in the perception of others.
It's just a yearbook – who actually really cares about a yearbook after they graduate? Do you pull yours out and look at them every day? If we had an article in ours about a homosexual student and I looked at it today, I would say "Wow, that guy/girl was so brave to do that. Wonder what he/she is up to now?"
You just don't think it's okay to "promote" homosexuality but it's okay to promote heterosexual sex among teenagers right? If you don't want "sex" in the yearbook that means no pictures of couples at prom or other dances because your opinion that's "porn."
Kelly Calder I disagree completely! They choose to be that way; they are not born that way. They may not have chosen at one specific time but through a series of compromises and perversions they chose to be that way.
There is absolutely no rational argument to make the case against homosexuality. Why on earth would a 13-year old boy (such as myself) choose to be a minority? Why would I choose to go to Hell when I die (I was raised a Catholic)? I have no idea why I am gay, but it's reality and it took me years to accept myself as a gay person.
Gay people are everywhere, by the way. Big cities, small towns, and even rural southern areas. And I guarantee you that you have shook hands, laughed and talked with a gay person at some point in your life. The unfortunate thing is that much of the media portrays gay people as freaks dancing in a parade and acting feminine. In reality, most of us are normal, professional people. We are doctors, teachers, lawyers, accountants and soldiers.
And consider the fact that I grew up in a right-wing conservative Republican, Catholic Italian household. Raised by straight parents, of course. Thankfully, my parents still love me unconditionally and treat me no differently.
When will society ever properly understand homosexuality? Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of it being an issue. Maybe one day when society realizes that gays are normal people, then finally we WON'T have to see things like this in a high school yearbook!
Shannon Simecek Well that's your opinion but I will disagree because I know it's not a choice. Series of compromises and perversions???
Okay tell me how my brother went through those "compromises and perversions" when we lived in one of the most conservative places where there were NO homosexuals and the town is so ignorant they don't even let people of other skin colors in!! AND when we grew up you didn't see homosexuality on TV or in movies. So tell me how he "learned" to be a homosexual? He didn't. HE WAS BORN THAT WAY!!
You don't have to agree. You don't have to like it. But they are people and deserve respect. Not hate. Not violence.
Nicholas Papa At least one voice of reason on here. My brother grew up the same as you. We were raised Catholic. Small, rural, conservative town. Hell they wouldn't even allow blacks or Mexicans in that town, let alone homosexuals? No way. He would've gotten his ass beat in high school if he had come out. I feel so sad that he had to keep such a secret his whole life. But our parents love him and when he told them, they didn't freak out. They accepted him. But you're right. People would be surprised how many homosexuals they are. All gay men are not flaming, feminine acting dancing in the streets types and all lesbians are not butch or masculine.
I just don't get it.
@Kelly Calder: So, are you telling me you don't know what a psy-op is? As in, the definition? Also, it seemed to me that you insinuated that people who take the opposite view from you are less intelligent. And I compared behaviors that people might find repugnant. I saw your posting about your brother. I don't care who he does…not my business, my thing is I DON'T WANT TO KNOW, period, so I don't want it thrown in my face, AND be told I have to like it or I'll be castigated by some little snarky, elitist segment of society…all I'm saying is that sort of thing doesn't belong in a yearbook for a high school.
Kelly Calder I never said anything about hate or violence. I do believe in being respectful to others. I believe as a Christian we are to love the sinner but not accept the sin.
Kirk Mooneyham Yes I know what PSYOPS is!!! I don't have that job. It's a separate MOS. It's not mine. So you have to go to school to learn it. That's what I was saying. Lol.
I never insinuated anything. That's just your perception.
I never threw who my brother is in anyone's face!! LOL OMG – I just used that as an example. Wow – so it's okay for people to come up to me and randomly talk about their religion and try to convert me but I can't use my brother as an example of how homosexuals don't choose that sexuality? Wow.
No one said you have to like it – but you do have to treat others with common decency. You know – treat others how you want to be treated. So if you want to be treated like a piece of crap, then treat others that way I suppose.
You're not getting the point so I'm done. It's like talking to a wall.
Nicholas Papa Nicholas – and Kelly – You are right to a point. Gays are humans, and can be just as normal as heterosexuals. That is because we all sin. Lying, cheating, lusting, stealing, killing, etc…. We all do it – some form of sin or another. And, Homosexuality is a sin, to the Christian and Jewish faith (and others as well). Jesus taught that he came to fulfill the scriptures and laws. That he didn't personally speak the word homosexuality does not mean he didn't speak against it, since he did say he came not to abolish the laws and the prophets, but to fulfill them. But, he also came to provide forgiveness for sin, and that once we accept it, to turn from it. Christians cannot accept sin, since it goes against their Lord. They still sin, but seek forgiveness and try not to do it again. The homosexual can do the same, unless they choose not to. But, we still love the person, while hating the sin. I have quite a few friends that are gay, and we respect each other, and do not talk about certain things because it is an afront to both sides – so why can't we do that here? Why does the LBGT practices and philosophies have to be described and documented, when it offends? That is why they removed Bible teaching from schools, because some said it offended them… let's just have same fair tolerance for both sides. Peace!
Douglas Brininstool Who describes LBGT practices? I don't hear alot of homosexuals describe their sex lives but I sure do hear a lot of other heterosexuals describe theirs.
Kelly Calder: In what alternate reality do you reside? Of course the homosexual agenda is being pushed-it has pervaded every aspect of our lives via media. One's sexuality is a very private matter and has no place in a high school yearbook. Modern society: where common sense and good taste goes to die.
I believe in freedom of religion in public schools, as long as it's not mandated by the school.
With that said, religion is the single problem today that is preventing homosexuals from being recognized as equivalent social beings. It is downright sad and embarrassing that many Americans today believe in a 2,000-year old book that says that homosexuality is a sin and an abomination. This is the United States of America. I thought we were intelligent leaders of the world. And since when is homosexuality a bigger sin than say, premarital sex or getting body piercings? The Bible does not rank which sins are worse than others. Ant-gay bigotry is derived from pure ignorance and hatred.
Discrimination against gays is a losing battle. Reality and reason will always prevail.
Kelly Calder Ah but the homo's are bound for a very very hot eternity…
Kelly Calder there is always a choice…I am not anti gay..but it is a choice and any gay person will tell you it is a choice. It has NEVER been proven medically they are born with the "GAY GENE"……..I do not believe in homosexualty, but I do not hate them either. It is their choice and not for me to judge. I think the story upset parents because this is not the place for the school to educate kids on homesexuality. It is the parents responsibilty to explain things of that nature to THEIR OWN KIDS/CHILDREN, no one elses.
Jw Davis You don't know that. Who made you the judge, jury and executioner? You have no right to determine what someone's afterlife will be.
We've had gay marriage here in Connecticut for four years now, as well as most surrounding states. What were the consequences? Gays can get married by the state (not the church) and have spousal rights and tax benefits. Our society doesn't fall apart when gays are allowed to get married. Of course, I support the traditional family, which is essential for a prosperous society. But if gays can't marry…..they're not going to run out and start family. They're still…….gay.
It amazes me how most of the rest of the country is so bigoted and backwards!
Tcnhbc Johnson Really? Every homosexual person who I have talked to has said they did NOT choose to be that way. The only choice they made was hiding it. Also did you miss Nicholas Papa's comments? He's a homosexual – he said himself he didn't choose to be homosexual. It has been proven that people are born homosexual.
It doesn't matter if you "believe" in homosexuality or not lol. It's real.
It's not educating kids on homosexuality. It told one teenager's story about his high school experience. That's it.
Nicholas Papa I only disagree with you that a "traditional" family is necessary. So many people who are functioning members of society were raised in "non-traditional" families. But the rest of it you are spot on.
Kelly Calder no one is pushing the gay agenda but the gays, next will pedophiles you ignorant cunt
I would say that starting around Middle School, students need to learn about diversity, including homosexuality. I admit that the concept might be a little obscure for a young child. But we don't need a "gay agenda" like right-wingers would have you believing. All we need is to occasionally educate kids about the fact that gay people exist. No need to belabor it. Maybe spend one or two class sessions per year on it or something. The fact is that millions of innocent kids across America are being taught by their parents an churches that homosexuality is a sin and is wrong. It's contradictory to reality. Besides, what's the big deal? The objective is to teach tolerance, not to teach kids to be gay.
Kelly Calder It talked about kissing another boy…. that was a minor one, but that was just one example, since you asked. That 2000 year old book, Nicholas, is the faith's central spoken word from God. That is why they hold the book dear to their faith. It is a part of their faith, not "just a book", as you feel it is. So, just because they feel that homosexuality is a sin, you think they are unintelligent – it was in your own words Nicholas. So there again is intollerance just because they disagree with your prognosis and say that the act of homosexuality is a sin. They are not second-classing the person, just the activity. And no where did I say that it was a worse sin than adultery, fornication, lust, lying, stealing, etc. ALL SIN is not acceptable by God and is repugnant to him.
Nicholas Papa I understand where you are coming from. But my point to you is there is only one leader of this planet and his name is GOD….you are right it states in the BIBLE GOD is against homosexuality, killing, stealin, cheating etc……there is one sin that is GREATER then homosexuality and that is not believign in JESUS CHRIST beuas if you do not believe in him you do not believe in GOD…the creator of all things good and pure. One last thing we have choices everyday of our lives, GOD has blessed us with the choice. If everyone in this world choices to do good or evil is upon themselves. God Bless and Peac be with you.
Kelly Calder The lord would not make anyone Homohexual and then put it in the Bible that it is an abomination of God they choose to be that way and they are lost…
Jw Davis Smh…God didn't put anything in the Bible. Sorry – you can believe in a god who would punish its own creations for something they didn't choose but I won't. I hope god isn't that cruel.
Jw Davis Smh…God didn't put anything in the Bible. Sorry – you can believe in a god who would punish its own creations for something they didn't choose but I won't. I hope god isn't that cruel.
Nancy Overton The only people that believe that homosexuality is a choice are straight people. How convenient. There is not a single gay person that I know (and I know alot) who made a decision to "be gay". Walk a mile in another persons shoes before you pretend to understand them.
Nancy Overton The only people that believe that homosexuality is a choice are straight people. How convenient. There is not a single gay person that I know (and I know alot) who made a decision to "be gay". Walk a mile in another persons shoes before you pretend to understand them.
Nancy Overton The only people that believe that homosexuality is a choice are straight people. How convenient. There is not a single gay person that I know (and I know alot) who made a decision to "be gay". Walk a mile in another persons shoes before you pretend to understand them.
Maria Elena Reyes Whitley How is this about sex? I read the article and it didn't mention anything thing about who the student was sleeping with. He may still be a virgin for all we know. The only thing it says is that he likes boys. I don't see how you could get child porn out of this.
Jw Davis The Bible was written by men, not God. If you believe that homosexuality is a sin, because the Bible says so, then shouldn't you also believe that women shall be property of men? And that slavery is okay? During the Civil War, southern white people in the Confederacy used the Bible as a justification that slavery is acceptable. They also used it again in the 1950's to argue that interracial marriage is unacceptable. Well guess what? They lost. As I've said earlier, reason will alway prevail. Discrimination never wins the battle.
Tcnhbc Johnson I am gay and I am telling you it is NOT a choice. I had a choice in deciding if I would live the rest of my life as a lie and in misery, but rest assured there is no choice in the fact that I am attracted to men and not women.
Tcnhbc Johnson I am gay and I am telling you it is NOT a choice. I had a choice in deciding if I would live the rest of my life as a lie and in misery, but rest assured there is no choice in the fact that I am attracted to men and not women.
Kelly Calder —–What you all call an alternate life style is a flat out abomination before God. God doesn't hate this boy or any other homosexuals—-He hates the "sin"—–all of us will one day stand before Him to be judged——-the arguement you're using in your statement does not correlate to the fact that whoever wrote this page for the yearbook was touting the fact that this boy was indeed a homosexual—-you need to understand that Almighty God; as creator, has the right to set down some hard and fast rules. He and He alone will have the final say in all our lives for "all" eternity. I may not be the sharpest tool in God's toolbox, but I'm smart enough to understand that He is in charge. May God have mercy on us all for "not" telling more people about God and His Son Jesus, who will keep us from a sinners Hell.
Kelly Calder —–What you all call an alternate life style is a flat out abomination before God. God doesn't hate this boy or any other homosexuals—-He hates the "sin"—–all of us will one day stand before Him to be judged——-the arguement you're using in your statement does not correlate to the fact that whoever wrote this page for the yearbook was touting the fact that this boy was indeed a homosexual—-you need to understand that Almighty God; as creator, has the right to set down some hard and fast rules. He and He alone will have the final say in all our lives for "all" eternity. I may not be the sharpest tool in God's toolbox, but I'm smart enough to understand that He is in charge. May God have mercy on us all for "not" telling more people about God and His Son Jesus, who will keep us from a sinners Hell.
Kelly Calder It may not matter to you if I believe or NOT, but it does to me. Where has it been PROVEN they are born this way? I know homosexuality is " REAL", I don't need to be schooled on that. But I still do NOT believe in it. God created Adam and then gave Adam a PARTNER EVE not Steve…..it is my right to have me religious beliefs. Do NOT try to knock people down that have morals and values instilled in themselves. I am not saying that one sin is worse then another sin. Well except one not believeing in JESUS CHRIST. You are taking other peoples comments to the extreme. Do we have a little hate in our heart? God Bless you and Peace be with you.
Kelly Calder It may not matter to you if I believe or NOT, but it does to me. Where has it been PROVEN they are born this way? I know homosexuality is " REAL", I don't need to be schooled on that. But I still do NOT believe in it. God created Adam and then gave Adam a PARTNER EVE not Steve…..it is my right to have me religious beliefs. Do NOT try to knock people down that have morals and values instilled in themselves. I am not saying that one sin is worse then another sin. Well except one not believeing in JESUS CHRIST. You are taking other peoples comments to the extreme. Do we have a little hate in our heart? God Bless you and Peace be with you.
John Turner I don't call it an "alternate" lifestyle. It's not an alternate lifestyle to someone who is homosexual. That IS their lifestyle.
I don't think god hates anything about homosexuals honestly. Just an opinion.
Believe what you want though. Just don't force it on others or tell others who disagree they are wrong.
John Turner I don't call it an "alternate" lifestyle. It's not an alternate lifestyle to someone who is homosexual. That IS their lifestyle.
I don't think god hates anything about homosexuals honestly. Just an opinion.
Believe what you want though. Just don't force it on others or tell others who disagree they are wrong.
Shannon Simecek thank you….well said. I think Kelly Calder has a little bit of hate in her.
Tcnhbc Johnson I have hate? Really? Maybe you should re-read some of your comments. I don't have any hate.
It has been proven. Also you do realize if we only started from two people, there was a lot of inbreeding going on at the start. Also how do you explain the different species of humans that have been discovered? Skeletons of different types of humans are found all the time – where did those come from? Just a thought.
Yeah you can have religious beliefs. I do have morals and values. Religious people aren't the only ones with those. In fact, look at all these preachers who are found out as closet homosexuals. Or the pedophilic priests. Yeah way to go on the morals and values.
I'M taking comments to extreme? You might want to read some other comments.
Nicholas Papa, I normally do not post in these places because I am not one who likes to argue with people so I just read and steer clear but one thing you said really caught my eye and I had to speak up. I am a follower of Christ and although I do believe being gay is a sin I do not think it is an automatic sentence to Hell. I hope you do not believe that because God loves you just as much as he loves everyone else. You are a child of His and He wants you to live with Him for eternity just like He wanted Moses, David, and Abraham. I believe people who are gay have the same chance as everyone else. The only requirement to do so is to believe that Jesus is our Savior who was sent to die for our sins. That is it. I just don't want you to think that you automatically go to Hell because you are gay because that is not true. You are special to Him just like everyone that is on this thread. God bless you!
There is no point in arguing these things with a Christian. They just believe in the Bible no matter what. And as I've said, it is preventing the human race from making progress and evolving into a better society. One Bible verse has caused enormous pain, suffering and oppression to homosexuals over the past 2,012 years. They believe that the Bible prevails over anything rational or supported with evidence and reason. It's sad. Very sad. And this is something I've even struggled with myself growing up as a gay kid. How the hell can these Chrisitans believe that a young 13-year old kid is CHOOSING to be that way? A KID? I went to Catholic sunday school, prayed, etc, and guess what? I'M STILL GAY! It's things like this that make me want to have zero respect for religion, since it's 100% based on ancient mythology, not evidence and reason.
Nicholas Papa Well Said!
Travis Wickline I do NOT believe in homosexuality. That is my rightof belief the same as your right to be "GAY" I do not believe in it but that doesn't mean I have hate in my heart for it for it is not for me to judge you. I have my own sins I battle with. My point is, I have NEVER seen anywhere that it has been proven that "GAYS" are born this way. Like Kelly Calder keeps trying to make us all believe her word. We are all entitled to our own beliefs and thoughts. I have not said one time anyhting negative about one sin more then the other. I did say you have a choice. why I say that, because I have not seen anywhere that it has been medically proven that "GAYS" are born with a "GAY" gene. Prove me wrong and I will be the first to apologiez to you.
Tcnhbc Johnson LOL I'm not "trying" to make anyone believe "my word." Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? Think what you want I don't care. This is getting old and tiring.
Kelly Calder "Treat others as you want to be treated " is biblical in origin. don't believe? don't quote.
David Nuland Oh yeah really? That's how it works? You know that idea existed before the Bible right? You don't think that ideas just came into existence 2000+ years ago do you?
Tcnhbc Johnson Sure, you have a right to believe anything… no question there. But, Let me reverse your argument. PROVE to me that God exists, is "christian" and that the Bible is the infallible word of God, then I will apologize to you. I think you will find that believing something and proving something are to very different things.
Now, when you say that you don't believe in homosexuality, are you saying that you don't believe it exists, or are you saying that you just don't agree with it? If it is the former, then I am living PROOF that homosexuality DOES exist. If it is the latter, then so be it.
Tcnhbc Johnson I am gay and have no idea why I am gay, but just like you, it started when I hit puberty at 13 years old. It doesn't matter whether it's genetic or whatever. The bottom line is that it's NOT a choice. I am a man who is sexually interested in and attracted to other men, just like you are attracted to women (I think you're male?). Do you not believe me? I understand it may be a strange concept to you. But it's true. I am living in a male body that has sexual attraction to other males. Never ONCE did I ever have a hint of attraction to girls. Ever. I just wish straight people would believe us instead of challenging us simply because it conflicts with their Bible. HOMOSEXUALITY IS REAL! Lol.
Kelly Calder what comment did I make that has hate in it. Just because I said I do not belive in homosexuality? Just because I don't believe in homosexuality doesn't make me hateful. Far from it I'm afraid…….yes the two people where Adam and Eve not Steve correct? Don't knock religion on mistakes MAN has made and CHOOSE to do. I am still waiting on that medical proven statement you made about how they are born homosexuals. I wish you Kelly all the best in life and GOD Bless peace be with you.
Kelly Calder Really? It came from before the Bible? What proof do you have about that? Who started the concept? I am just curious because I have not seen it from any faiths before the Bible (3000+BC). Can you show me that, as I am really curious. Would love to see it, honestly!!!
I am just very thankful that I live in New England, where homosexuality is accepted and same-sex marriage is legal. I can tell co-workers that I am gay and they are totally fine with it. Anywhere in public, really. I'm not the type to advertise my sexual orientation, but if it comes up in a conversation, it's a great freedom to be able to openly talk about it with people. And people just accept it and treat me no differently. Why can't the rest of America follow our example? Clearly, it didn't damage the society of New England ONE bit. Massachusetts has had gay marriage for 8 years now. It's old hat to us. Just pass the damn legislation, let the gays marry, move on. Churches don't have to perform gay marriages, but the state can. Therefore, your religion remains preserved. It's a win-win.
Tcnhbc Johnson Im still waiting on your statement of proof that god exists, is christian and the bible is the infallible word of god without any influence by man.
Travis Wickline I do not agree with it, but it is not for me to judge you. I still do not agree with you on the point of you being born that way. I apologize if I come across being hateful, because I am far from that. I realize how many young kids take their lives because they come out about being gay and trust me my heart crys for them. I do not agree but no hate nor for me to judge. That has hit close to home and very sad. Me proving GOD is real is by and thru JESUS CHRIST. Once again I do not agree with homosexuality but it's not for me to judge. I have friends that are gay and it's no issue with us. He respects my beliefs and I respect his beliefs. It is a give give not a one way street with us. He knwos I am not comfortable with certain things and he respects me and he doesn't and I respect him in return.
Travis Wickline Travis – maybe I can help out. Is God Christian? Christianity believes that Jesus Christ was God incarnate, come to earth as a human to be able to undo what sin has done to us, to provide grace and forgiveness and to overcome death. They beilieve that Jesus was God. Therefore God and Jesus are one to them. That is how Christianity came into existence. God was before, during and after. He is not Christian as a label, but he is Christian in that his earthly form was called Jesus Christ.
Douglas Brininstool You have told me what they believe, but you have offered no proof.
Travis Wickline As for the reliance of the scriptures – if you use the same laws that are used on all of the other liturature throughout history, then it is very much proven to be authentic, to be reliable, and in complete sameness as when first written over 2000 years ago. There is much documented scientific proof (archeological as well). Over 24000 manuscripts dated from before Jesus' time and past his time, that show that the Bible is the most accurately reproduced document of all. The next closest is the Iliad, and there are only 746 copies. So the reliance is there. As to accuracy – there have been many archeological discoveries that have backed up the scriptures authenticity and accuracy from vastly different views (pottery, cities, digs, documents, papyrises, etc. If every part has so far been proven accurate, and none have proven any part inaccurate, then it is fairly reasonable that the few parts that are not yet discovered, may actually be proven as well. Much more evidence than you have about homosexuality being genetic, and not choice.
Travis Wickline As for proof that God exists, we can provably find more people whose lives have been changed by the love, grade, forgiveness and blessings/miracles from God, than from Athiesm, from homsexuality, etc. The proof of so many lives being changed from derilect life styles to ones of healing and normalcy help to prove that He exists. Secondly, the fact that you can feel, and hear wind, but you cannot see "it" (you can see it's evidence by what it does) does not mean it doesn't exist. Same with gravity – you cannot see it, but you can see what its effect is – same effects from God on people's lives, on the whole of creation. Even you, whom he loves and created. But you and I choose to do wrong – sin – and that separates us from him until we ask for forgiveness and then try and not do it again. If you/I choose to not ask forgiveness for our sins, then we will reap the rewards for that choice.
Travis Wickline here is a some good reading for you. Read if you if not hen I understand.
http://www.christiananswers.net/kids/ednk-jesusgodorman.html
Douglas Brininstool none of the items you presented were proof, but merely circumstantial. They can be attributed to many different factors. Sure, you see an effect (blessing, changed life, etc) but the actual cause is very much unknown and unproven. Which, is why that particular myth revolves around belief, not proof.
*provably should be Probably. *Grade should be Grace.
Nancy Overton , it's not about what people "do in their bedroom." Being gay is who somebody is, a part of who somebody is. Being gay doesn't start or stop at the bedroom door.
Travis Wickline and Nicholas I wish you two young men the very best in life and that does come from the bottom of my heart. We can agree to disagree, but made from the same GOD. Very best wishes for a happy long life. Time for me to go to bed LoL I am very old……God Bless You and Peace be with you forever and always.
Kelly Calder – So, I presume the yearbook also told stories of other students who wrote, "It's okay to be heterosexual." Yeah, right. Why mention the issue at all in a school yearbook?
Travis Wickline What about the historicity, the accuracy of the prophecies contained in it, the accuracy of Archeology to the scriptures? The fact that not one prophecy has gone against the scriptures yet, after 3000+ years, and not one archeological find has gone against the scriptures. There is the proof. The fact that Jesus was foretold centuries before he was born, and his life and death fulfilled those scriptures… When someone prays specifically, and the answers come back just as specific and fulfill those specifics, goes to God answering the prayers, not chance, nor any other explanation can take it away. You choose not to accept what is proof because then you would be held to the moral code of the God that was proven by all the proof. You had three specific questions – prove God exists, prove God was Christian, and prove the Bible was infallible. I met two of the three, and the "circumstantial" evidence you say is circumstantial is to many others actual proof of God's existence. I have written a very specific prayer out for a gay friend of mine. She came back a week later and told me what happened with her Dr. appt and what she was going through. AS she told me, I started giggling. She asked why. I showed her the typed out prayer from a week ago. It matched perfectly with what she experienced, what the outcome was, to the letter. How can that happen without God's invol
*invol should be involvement.
*invol should be involvement.
Kelly Calder GAYS,
The minority of all minoritys, Let me tell you bluntly why this lifestyle does not belong in any school on earth , let alone in any school in the United States.
One word is all i will use to wake you up out of your liberal progressive coma.
SODOMITE.
The rub comes from telling my kids "It's Okay to Be Gay" vs. "Don't Discriminate Against Zac Because He's Gay." The "gay agenda" people perceive is being pushed is "Not only will you NOT discriminate against gays, but you will LIKE US and let us teach your children it's okay for them to say "yes" to feelings of attraction for the same sex." Saying, "I was born gay so don't tell me not to act on my feelings of attraction for the same sex" is like saying, "I was born a 'hitter' so don't tell me to use my words instead of my hands in response to feelings of anger." Attraction is a feeling: not a skin color. Acting on that feeling is a behavior. If I'm attracted to small children am I a pedophile? If I like the idea of cutting down trees but have never done it, am I a lumberjack?
Gary Trotman OH THANK YOU GARY!! That WORD just woke me up! Thank you sooooo much. Because you uttered that word I am not longer liberal, progressive OR GAY! Wow. You should go on TV and just utter that one word so that all the world can wake up.
Gary Trotman, I can't help but notice you enjoy Arthur C Clarke. I'm certain you know that he was a homosexual, right?
Gary Trotman, Arthur C Clarke was a homosexual, yet you enjoys his books? Traitor.
John Turner how do you know what god hates? Christ never said anything about homosexuality.
Gary Trotman Ignorant fool
Kelly Calder
10% is not enough – Recruit Recruit Recruit! Remember that chant from the Sodomite Pride parades?
This perverted 2% of the population is like a peacock! – it puffs itself to look much more effective and powerful than it really is.
And in my experience as a teacher – almost every sodomite is an evangelist trying to inculcate recruits with the myth that it is an equivalent lifestyle.
Apart from the fact that it is physically unhealthy, it is a sorrowful and black life. There's no such thing as a gay sodomite!
There's
Kelly Calder, Jesus didn't preach from the Bible? Apparently you are ignorant of Jesus and His teachings. He began his ministry by quotiing the Book of Isaiah. And Jesus never condemned anyone. He came not to condemn the world, but to save it. Anyone who is condemned will be done so in the next life when they are judged. And yes he did talk about homosexuality when he said,"And He answered and said to them, "Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning 'made them male and female,' "and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'? "So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate." Math 19:4-6 He did not say a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his husband.
Jw Davis So you may be too for casting the stone of judgement.
Jw Davis So you may be too for casting the stone of judgement.
Oh. When did you chose women?
Travis Wickline, You may be attracted to men, but the choice comes in acting on those attractions. I may be attracted to women other than my wife, but I choose not to act on those attractions because it is a sin to commit adultery, just as it is a sin to commit homosexual acts.
Tcnhbc Johnson : Um, I'm gay. It wasn't a choice. I've known hundreds of gay guys in my life time and not a single one ever said it was a choice. Get your facts straight.
Tcnhbc Johnson : Um, I'm gay. It wasn't a choice. I've known hundreds of gay guys in my life time and not a single one ever said it was a choice. Get your facts straight.
Tcnhbc Johnson : Um, I'm gay. It wasn't a choice. I've known hundreds of gay guys in my life time and not a single one ever said it was a choice. Get your facts straight.
Nicholas Papa Agreed.
Kelly Calder Your claim that "homosexuality isn't a choice" is patently false. There has been NO scientific proof of anyone being "born gay." Like all BEHAVIOR, sexual behavior is a choice. We ALL get to choose whether to drink or not, whether to take drugs or not, whether to smoke or not, whether to be sexually immoral or not. Everyone gets to choose. So when someone makes the CHOICE to engage in homosexual BEHAVIOR, they are making a CHOICE — not acting outside their own will. Everything we do in life is a choice. Nobody is holding a gun to their head and forcing them to engage in wretched homosexual acts. Everyone who calls himself "gay" must CHOOSE to act out in that way. They're not forced to act out that way. And there are PLENTY of people who struggle with UNWANTED same-sex attraction. And there are PLENTY of people who overcome it and live completely happy heterosexual lives. Look up Dennis Jernigan. I went to the wedding of a former homosexual. He married a woman. That was 15 years ago, and they're still together and happy. And he was DEEP into it. I also attended the funeral of a man who foolishly left his beautiful wife and kids to engage in homosexual BEHAVIOR. He made that CHOICE. And in two years, he was dead from AIDS. It is a CHOICE. It's a VERY STUPID choice, but it's a choice. To say otherwise, is to be ignorant of the facts. Stats don't lie: homosexual behavior destroys lives.
Ron Cemer : You keep posting and posting on this issue. Seriously, why the hell do you even care? Maybe you protest a bit too much, I say.
Kelly Calder Your claim that Jesus never condemned homosexuals is also patently false. Don't you know ANYTHING? Don't you know that the Jesus of the New Testament is the Yahweh, the Creator God of the Old Testament — the same God who laid waste to the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah for the EXACT sin of homosexual behavior? Have you lost your ever-loving MIND? If I were you, I'd stop spouting lies, especially lies about the Scriptures — otherwise, you're going to have some serious explaining to do when it comes time to give account for your life. The book of Revelation says that anyone who adds to or removes from His word, will be judged more harshly than anyone else. Leading others astray WRT the Scriptures is a HUGE thing to God.
Kelly Calder Can you please show me definitive scientific evidence that homosexuals have genetic code toward homosexuality? Scientific evidence that can be replicated? There have been some papers written to infer"born this way" theory but none of the testing could be replicated which is required to be valid.
Nicholas Papa So do you agree that whoever one is attracted to sexually should be accepted as OK? Are there some attractions that are not OK and if so why?
Jeannine Howard : You know, for years there was no scientific "proof" that the world was round either. And yet that didn't change the fact that it was, indeed, round. Oh, and speaking of evidence — while we're at it — prove to me that this God of yours exists. That's right. Prove it! Oh, and of course, like you, I'd like some rock solid scientific evidence, you know, testing that can be replicated in the lab. Thanks!!!
Jeannine Howard : You know, for years there was no scientific "proof" that the world was round either. And yet that didn't change the fact that it was, indeed, round. Oh, and speaking of evidence — while we're at it — prove to me that this God of yours exists. That's right. Prove it! Oh, and of course, like you, I'd like some rock solid scientific evidence, you know, testing that can be replicated in the lab. Thanks!!!
Not a very convincing argument….. the homo agenda is written all over this piece.
Not a very convincing argument….. the homo agenda is written all over this piece.
Mark Ilvedson You are correct, there was no proof of the earth being a sphere for many years. There have been many on this thread posting as fact something that has not been verified. I thought you might have some information for me rather than a straw man argument.
Mark Ilvedson and all the Homosexuals…..In other words you can't prove sodomy is genetic. Maybe if you try to change the subject and dodge the question…over and over….. it might work for you? I wouldn't bet on it.
"The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse." Romans, chapter 1.
MEN ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE!…..Deny and hide but you and all like cannot hide from death and judgement. This is the time for all like you to repent and trust the Gospel.
Jeannine Howard : Again, as I have said elsewhere in this thread, I have known HUNDREDS of gay men and not a one of us ever has talked about how we chose this… People KILL THEMSELVES all the time about this because they are fighting it. They are fighting it as hard as they can but they can't fight something so ingrained in. It's simply a part of who they are. Like it's a god damn choice. Take your head out the sand and wake the heck up. A choice. Yeah, right. You say it's a choice? FINE. Prove it! Go be gay for a year or so tell me how it goes. Really, we'd all LOVE to hear about it. Seriously, it's a choice. Just go prove it to yourself and me. Put your money where your mouth is or just shut up.
Les Redmon : And you can't prove it isn't. Meanwhile, the wrath of GOD has been promised for thousands of years. NEWSFLASH: It ain't coming. You've all just wasted your lives praying to a something about as bogus as the Easter Bunny.
Jeannine Howard – Actually that is incorrect take a look at Isaiah 40:22
Mark Ilvedson …You are the one who said sexual deviancy is genetic. So the burden is yours to prove it. Of course you can't so I'll help you a bit.
Wait ! Hold on!!, I searched and there is no proof….so …it looks like you, and many other perverts are promoting a …. big juicy….lie.
Les Redmon : If it's such a choice, Les. Why don't you go gay for a while. Maybe a year or two? PS — That Hat is a step in the right direction.
Mark Ilvedson ..Of course the wrath of God has been promised and struck the people of the Earth many times. You are probably not aware of the Lord's warning about mistreating the Jews. Ever hear of WW1 and WW2? Oh, apparently you forgot about those major blood-lettings direct;y linked the treatment of the Jews by the Germans, the Russians, the Poles, and most of Europe. Maybe you slept through history and Bible study?……Too bad, you're not alone.
All right…I promised myself I wouldn't do this, but there is such insanity and ignorance coming from the sheeple left that I can't hold it in any longer. When you lying libbies preach the religions of Global Warming, Evolution, the Homosexual Agenda, and all else, and they are religions, because there's no evidence for any of them, you can expect that we conservatives are going to dig in our heels and fight back, because it's all wrong. Why exactly do you think that nobody believes "being gay is ok?" It's because it's being heaped on a bunch of other lies and dysfunctions that are symptoms of being a liberal. I can tick off every single one of your progressive religions and destroy them with the science you hold so dear. However, using that self-same science, as I was educated to use, I can strongly suggest for the existence of God Almighty, creator of the universe. Well, then, you'd huffily respond "Why don'tcha just PROVE his existence, then?" Ah, now, but science isn't about actually -proving- anything, as any card-carrying libbie oughta know. Science is about change. A true hypothesis is "evidence through observation." No matter what that observation is. However, the libbie scientists have got it in their head that Christians are bad, America is bad, and for some odd reason, straight people are bad. When they discovered they could push the evolutionary agenda in schools with impunity, they moved on to AGW, which, by the way, need I remind you, is a fairly recent concoction. Most of you should know (I'm probably the youngest one on here) that it was only in the 80s that the liberal fear was that we were all going to freeze to death. When AGW was firmly implanted in the minds of youngsters, they moved on to the homosexual agenda–in order to begin the brainwashing to accept all kinds of sexual minorities. Including pedophiles. Don't believe me? A simple Google search can be your best friend. I guess because being gay isn't a choice that being a pedophile isn't a choice, either? I guess that means we should all talk about pedophilia in our schoolbooks, and give all pedos free child porn on Sundays, right, because the Sabbath sure as hell ain't the Lord's day anymore! Oh, and as for my earlier two arguments:
AGW: Volcanoes and plants produce more CO2 in a month than we do in a year
Evolution: No transitional fossils. I'm done. You're all idiots.
No, but the Gay Taliban is saying, "Totally support our perversions and totally affirm our propoganda or else we will destroy you."
"No one is pushing the homosexual agenda" – except the media, hollywood, the public schools, cowardly corporate leaders, virtually all of academia and many in the government. And anyone challenging that agenda is marginalized at best and destroyed at worst. Look at what is already going on in Europe and Canada. The Gay Taliban is working to accomplish the same things in America.
Robert Vreugde All right…I promised myself I wouldn't do this, but there is such insanity and ignorance coming from the sheeple left that I can't hold it in any longer. When you lying libbies preach the religions of Global Warming, Evolution, the Homosexual Agenda, and all else, and they are religions, because there's no evidence for any of them, you can expect that we conservatives are going to dig in our heels and fight back, because it's all wrong. Why exactly do you think that nobody believes "being gay is ok?" It's because it's being heaped on a bunch of other lies and dysfunctions that are symptoms of being a liberal. I can tick off every single one of your progressive religions and destroy them with the science you hold so dear. However, using that self-same science, as I was educated to use, I can strongly suggest for the existence of God Almighty, creator of the universe. Well, then, you'd huffily respond "Why don'tcha just PROVE his existence, then?" Ah, now, but science isn't about actually -proving- anything, as any card-carrying libbie oughta know. Science is about change. A true hypothesis is "evidence through observation." No matter what that observation is. However, the libbie scientists have got it in their head that Christians are bad, America is bad, and for some odd reason, straight people are bad. When they discovered they could push the evolutionary agenda in schools with impunity, they moved on to AGW, which, by the way, need I remind you, is a fairly recent concoction. Most of you should know (I'm probably the youngest one on here) that it was only in the 80s that the liberal fear was that we were all going to freeze to death. When AGW was firmly implanted in the minds of youngsters, they moved on to the homosexual agenda–in order to begin the brainwashing to accept all kinds of sexual minorities. Including pedophiles. Don't believe me? A simple Google search can be your best friend. I guess because being gay isn't a choice that being a pedophile isn't a choice, either? I guess that means we should all talk about pedophilia in our schoolbooks, and give all pedos free child porn on Sundays, right, because the Sabbath sure as hell ain't the Lord's day anymore! Oh, and as for my earlier two arguments:
AGW: Volcanoes and plants produce more CO2 in a month than we do in a year
Evolution: No transitional fossils. I'm done. You're all idiots.
Robert Vreugde ….EXCELLENT POST!!…….Only the families, strong individuals, and local churches are standing in the way….are fighting for the soul of the United States…and rescuing our chirldren. The Communists and Fascists said they would destroy America from within. The Socialist Communist Homosexuals in the Media, Hollywood, the universities, schools, and government are now working to destroy America.
We are in a death struggle.
Kelly Calder How can you say that that no one is pushing the homosexual AGENDA! tHIS HAS BEEN GOING FOR YEARS. WHY SHOULD THE MINORITY RULE. some jerk homo is going around talking to young people by disparaging the Bible and religion refering to young people as fools believing in GOD. This must stop or else. .
You are absolutely right and I know this area very well and I am more than sure the thousand supporters are not from that area. This has no place in the yearbook and I think the young homosexual was used badly by someone with bad intentions abd did not care about him. Now try and talk to him about Christ and they will practically jail you
I think it works goes both ways you guys do the same to the gays. Sorry to say they don't have the problems you do because you don't want to understand it. If there is a God he loves everybody.
Nancy Overton , believing that virgins have babies, dead men come back to life and that an invisible sky genie is in control of everything is about as 'alternative' of a lifestyle as one can imagine… Being gay is normal, religious belief is superstitious ignorance and no thinking person could ever accept it as plausible….
Nancy Overton , believing that virgins have babies, dead men come back to life and that an invisible sky genie is in control of everything is about as 'alternative' of a lifestyle as one can imagine… Being gay is normal, religious belief is superstitious ignorance and no thinking person could ever accept it as plausible….
Nancy Overton , believing that virgins have babies, dead men come back to life and that an invisible sky genie is in control of everything is about as 'alternative' of a lifestyle as one can imagine… Being gay is normal, religious belief is superstitious ignorance and no thinking person could ever accept it as plausible….
Howard Aubrey…….. "The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." 1 Corinthians, chapter 1.
No Rational man would bet against the Bible with his …..life!….
Nancy, the Left always throws out names when they cannot defend the indefensible. This teacher's obvious bias against Christians must not be allowed to stand. Good for the people of this town for sticking with common sense and moral values rather than the politically correct "hip" attitude that is ruining this country.
Actually it is indeed ignorant, and bigoted to resent someone for a life style that harms you in no way. It is people like you Nancy who decades ago would have promoted white only clubs, buses, schools, etc etc You can try to hide behind your book, but all that does is prove all the more that you are not just ignorant but stupid for judging others. It is not our place to judge people who do no harm to our communities.
School is exactly the place where people should be taught the values of equality, not further indoctrinated into bigotry. I am glad to see that more schools, and students are willing to stand up for the LGBT community. For a true education and true year book to published it should show all sides of a story, letting the listeners/readers decide what is true.
When do you think that your child should be taught about how different people live their lives, or given the birds and the bees talk? We shouldnt teach our kids about sex, that way a stranger, or family friend/ member can assault them and just say its a game. Is that why you want your children to stay ignorant? So that they can be raped or molested? Knowledge is a powerful thing and the sooner we teach children how to share and accept those who are different, the greater the chances are for them not to be put in a bad situation, or become a bigoted A-hole.
School is there for education, why should they only be taught one side of things. When you learn about a war should you only be shown one sides story, or both? When you learn about anything properly. You learn by taking in as much information and different points of view as you can. That is unless you are a religious person, or atheist who believes that everyone should just remain ignorant for as long as possible.
Actually it is indeed ignorant, and bigoted to resent someone for a life style that harms you in no way. It is people like you Nancy who decades ago would have promoted white only clubs, buses, schools, etc etc You can try to hide behind your book, but all that does is prove all the more that you are not just ignorant but stupid for judging others. It is not our place to judge people who do no harm to our communities.
School is exactly the place where people should be taught the values of equality, not further indoctrinated into bigotry. I am glad to see that more schools, and students are willing to stand up for the LGBT community. For a true education and true year book to published it should show all sides of a story, letting the listeners/readers decide what is true.
When do you think that your child should be taught about how different people live their lives, or given the birds and the bees talk? We shouldnt teach our kids about sex, that way a stranger, or family friend/ member can assault them and just say its a game. Is that why you want your children to stay ignorant? So that they can be raped or molested? Knowledge is a powerful thing and the sooner we teach children how to share and accept those who are different, the greater the chances are for them not to be put in a bad situation, or become a bigoted A-hole.
School is there for education, why should they only be taught one side of things. When you learn about a war should you only be shown one sides story, or both? When you learn about anything properly. You learn by taking in as much information and different points of view as you can. That is unless you are a religious person, or atheist who believes that everyone should just remain ignorant for as long as possible.
Ba ha ha….silly Christian…..why so evil? oh yea….the bible tells you who to hate….what an evil book of fiction that bible is…..what a bastard that homosexual is!!! i mean come on….straight people have to fight for their rights all the time too!!! i'm sick of being bullied because i'm straight….what about my right to marry who i love!!! …i could go on…but i think you get the point.
Kelly Calder Talking about naivete; it is very unfortunate but you are so far out in left field that a search party needs to be formed to go out and find you! But I should not be to harsh on you, after all it is obvious that you speak from the perspective of a Godless person. Sexual relationships did not come into being due to the mankinds invention. The God of creation commanded this as one aspect of our being. Because He authored sexual relations only He has the right to set the parameters of engagement. The prohibitions on sexual behavior that God reveals is that the act occur between a man amd woman and that the act occurs only during a relationship of life long commitment. No bestiality. No lesbianism. And as far as I can see as long as two heterosexuals are not "unequally yoked" and in that committed long term relationship then God has no problem with their expression of the sex act, however they may choose to express it, which includes oral sex. From the biblical text the prohibition against sodomy is directed towards man on man. God would be unjust and a liar to condemn a person because genetics, don't be misled. The reason why God hates the act of homosexuality is because the act is a choice! It has to be one of the most vile of lies to encourage a gullible child to believe that they were born as a homosexual, this gives a whole new meaning to child abuse.
Kelly Calder Talking about naivete; it is very unfortunate but you are so far out in left field that a search party needs to be formed to go out and find you! But I should not be to harsh on you, after all it is obvious that you speak from the perspective of a Godless person. Sexual relationships did not come into being due to the mankinds invention. The God of creation commanded this as one aspect of our being. Because He authored sexual relations only He has the right to set the parameters of engagement. The prohibitions on sexual behavior that God reveals is that the act occur between a man amd woman and that the act occurs only during a relationship of life long commitment. No bestiality. No lesbianism. And as far as I can see as long as two heterosexuals are not "unequally yoked" and in that committed long term relationship then God has no problem with their expression of the sex act, however they may choose to express it, which includes oral sex. From the biblical text the prohibition against sodomy is directed towards man on man. God would be unjust and a liar to condemn a person because genetics, don't be misled. The reason why God hates the act of homosexuality is because the act is a choice! It has to be one of the most vile of lies to encourage a gullible child to believe that they were born as a homosexual, this gives a whole new meaning to child abuse.
Kelly Calder… Boy kisses or bones girl=normal, boy kisses or bones boy=alternative…Got it?
Kelly Calder… Boy kisses or bones girl=normal, boy kisses or bones boy=alternative…Got it?
Nicholas Papa how would a homosexual gene be passed down? Don't you see the problem there? There is no such thing! Homosexuality is an alternative lifestyle, and a choice. Reproductive organs are used to reproduce. That is the natural use of those organs, and anything else is unnatural and a perversion. If homosexuality was genetic, it would not exist today.
When people rally around perversion, defending it like a crown of honor, they are just asking for the Wrath of God to come down on their heads. Adultry, Fornication, Rape, Homosexuality, Pedephilia, Inscest, Prostitution, Sex with Animals or Dead people IS SEXUALITY IMMORALITY!!! Very sinful behavior! REPENT, says the Lord.
Shannon Simecek A choice? sure, I chose to be gay so I could wake up daily to deal with the love and support (sarcasm) here on this page. People have grown incredibly ignorant. The comments on here prove how far this country has yet to come. Let us just hope none of you have a homosexual child born into your family, they do not need your kind of support.
Shannon Simecek A choice? sure, I chose to be gay so I could wake up daily to deal with the love and support (sarcasm) here on this page. People have grown incredibly ignorant. The comments on here prove how far this country has yet to come. Let us just hope none of you have a homosexual child born into your family, they do not need your kind of support.
Joshua Scott Jsl I feel bad for you. Why would any "man" crave embracing another mans penis?
Yaphet Graham …Excellent Post. Homosexuality is a vile lie….
Yaphet Graham …Excellent Post. Homosexuality is a vile lie….
Kelly Calder Medicl fact – not born that way. Choose to live that way.
Kelly Calder: Funny how you say "he is born that way", Like being born with brown hair or hazel eyes… Those are characteristics of birth… Homosexuality is a behavioral issue and like all behavioral issues they are learned along life's path.
Nancy Overton Come on now. Nothing about the bedroom was mentioned. Your train of thought would suggest that every story or posting we see about a heterosexual couple or a straight person's struggles would have to ensue that our mind would go straight to an image of a penis penetrating a vagina. Get real, open your mind, not everyone has to be like you. Times have changed, we (the gays) are not scared to remain hidden any longer, and schools are heading the call also teach tolerance. Something we all have the right to receive from our fellow human beings. You cannot push your religious beliefs on other people to control aspects of their lives. That isn't freedom.
Kelly Calder: There is a dependent relationship of homosexuals on heterosexuals; by their own actions homosexuals do not reproduce through copulation thus they depend on heterosexuals for reproduction… Therefore homosexuals must put forth an agenda in the form of recruitment… Admit it or not it these are facts.
Kelly Calder You do realize if people were really born that way,God wouldn't call homosexuality sin.It's clearly a choice that God doesn't bless.Romans 1 calls it unnatural,separating one's self,from God,sinful,and not without penalty.
Joseph Bankston: When is the last time someone tried to recruit you? Are you seriously that uninformed? If the entire explanation from most homosexuals is that they were 'born that way', one would think the gene pool would continue to create them at the same 1 in 10 rate.
Kelly Calder"Did you choose to be heterosexual" This is the worst argument I've ever heard. I have seen adults who were oriented toward children, men toward men, men toward animals, those same men toward women a few years later… Why is it that 62% of identical twin males , when one wants to sleep with the same sex, the other doesn't. Identical twins are genetic clones. Your "they are born that way" argument is garbage.
Kelly Calder"Did you choose to be heterosexual" This is the worst argument I've ever heard. I have seen adults who were oriented toward children, men toward men, men toward animals, those same men toward women a few years later… Why is it that 62% of identical twin males , when one wants to sleep with the same sex, the other doesn't. Identical twins are genetic clones. Your "they are born that way" argument is garbage.
John Buchanan God didn't call it a sin and neither did Christ. The only thing Christ called an abomination is "the worship of money"
John Buchanan Religion is a CHOICE that has led to more wars, slavery, murder, subjugation of woman, torture, pedophilia, and hatred then all other institutions combined in the history of man.
Sal Carcioppolo Several times throughout my lifetime… need times and dates (calendar dates)? Ignorance is bliss on your part.
Paul Sabrina Holmes So why is it that ONLY straight people claim that its a choice? NO gay person I have EVER met said they had a choice. Did you hear that? NONE!?! Why do you think that is? Could it be that maybe you heteros have NO FLIPPIN IDEA what it is like to be gay? To have society tell you that you are an abomination? To finally come to terms with the fact that you are gay after years or even decades of hoping and praying that you aren't that most horrible of all things: gay? To have your parents kick you out of their house and disown you, or worse send you to have electro shock therapy to "cure" you? Why would gay people choose to be ostracized, beaten, denied legal rights and so on? If it IS a choice, then that is one hell of a commitment. Or maybe, just maybe it is NOT a choice and you are offering an opinion on something that you know absolutely nothing about. Walk a mile in my shoes, then we will talk. Why not actually listen to the people that are in that position rather than inserting your own preconceived notions?
Travis Wickline Identical twins are not exact duplicates they do have differences, including different finger prints, likes and dislikes. Also education levels. I know two identical twins, one is a doctor the other a construction worker. The doctor is a vegetarian and the other is a meat lover. So they are not identical.
Paul Sabrina Holmes There is no religious gene either so why is it protected? Religion is a CHOICE that has led to more wars, slavery, murder, subjugation of woman, torture, pedophilia, and hatred then all other institutions combined in the history of man.
Les Redmon Hatred is vile for Christ said "The gates to heaven shall not open for anyone with hate in their hearts" But Christ never said anything about homosexuality.
Les Redmon We are in a struggle for equality against the Anti-Christ Religious Right for full equality. I wouldn't call it a death struggle, well maybe for OLD haters like you but not us. The majority now support the cause of marriage equality and that is 2 to 1 among those under 40.
Kelly Calder Glitter Bombing? Hating on Christian students by Gay activist Dan Savage calling the bible “trash” at a National High School Journalism Convention? Blacklists? 7 million votes thrown out by one homosexual federal judge, who HID his orientation during the trail? Private and public property destroyed during Prop 8? Don't preach to us about tolerance, homosexuals have none. The ONLY thing we can count on, to be sued in court by homosexuals – that's it.
Kelly Calder Homosexuality is a choice, otherwise the species would have died out – that's a fact.
Jesher Spelling Get an education str8 parents make gay kids it is a normal variation of sexuality. Otherwise how would gays have appeared in the first place.
What is a choice? Religion:
Religion is a CHOICE that has led to more wars, slavery, murder, subjugation of woman, torture, pedophilia, and hatred then all other institutions combined in the history of man.
Jesher Spelling Get an education str8 parents make hom ose uals kids.
Religion is a CHOICE that has led to more wars, slavery, murder, rape, subjugation of woman, torture, pedophilia, and hatred then all other institutions combined in the history of man.
Nancy Overton – There are at least two fallacies in your comment. First, homosexuality is not a "lifestyle." Gays are born gay. I know that you're too ignorant and close-minded to get that through your thick head. Fortunately, this truth does not depend on your narrow-mindedness. Second, you and other religious extremists are not merely disagreeing with a lifestyle. You're condemning and attacking a minority group simply for being who they are. You base it on distortions of statements made in the bible, a series of stories written by imperfect men. I know you believe it's God's own word, but that's just mythology very much like Greek mythology. Third, Christians or any other religious student don't have a right to take over government-supported public schools with their religion. If you don't like the secular nature of public schools then get a better job and put your kids in religious schools. The only thing I agree with you on is that this is becoming a world in which in the minds of most Christians, good and evil are interchangeable. To summarize, gays are born gay whether you agree with that or not; you're not just disagreeing, you're condemning and attacking; and you have no right to attempt a takeover of government-supported public schools. As for why you're called names… it's because you model them so well. If you hate a group of people simply for who they are, you're a bigot. It's that simple.
Jesher Spelling Again, why is it that only heterosexuals say that it is a choice? No gay people say that. Also, there have been many gay people who hid who they were and went along with society, got married and had kids because they were terrified to be true to themselves. Im pretty sure some of those genes got passed down.
Jesher Spelling As for 7 million votes… I dont care if it were 300 million votes. The rights of a minority are NEVER to be voted on. period. That is why we have a constitutional republic and NOT a democracy. The founding fathers abhorred democracies which they viewed as mob rule. Anytime that 51% of society wanted to disenfranchise a minority, they could pass any punitive legislation against them. (Men could take away women's voting rights, whites could take away all black people or hispanics rights, etc.) In short, our system of government was Specifically designed to PROTECT the rights of the minority from mob rule of the majority.
Jesher Spelling As for 7 million votes… I dont care if it were 300 million votes. The rights of a minority are NEVER to be voted on. period. That is why we have a constitutional republic and NOT a democracy. The founding fathers abhorred democracies which they viewed as mob rule. Anytime that 51% of society wanted to disenfranchise a minority, they could pass any punitive legislation against them. (Men could take away women's voting rights, whites could take away all black people or hispanics rights, etc.) In short, our system of government was Specifically designed to PROTECT the rights of the minority from mob rule of the majority.
Brian-Lisa Ackley I am correct–many believed the earth was not a sphere–we are talking about scientific "proof" of spherical heavenly bodies, not belief systems. Of course many such as in Isaiah you mentioned at well as the Greeks as early at 500BC understood the earth as being a sphere. But this is not the same as actual scientific "proof" we have now.
Kelly Calder
You are an expert at stating your opinion as if it mattered, and as if it was fact. Wrong on both counts!
There's not a shred of evidence that its not a choice – certainly there is no genetic basis for the statement – identical twins have grown up with one a sodomite and one straight. And because I doubt your education, I should inform you that identical twins are called such because their genes are exact duplicates of each other. Studies have even demonstrated them getting pimples in the same places and driving the same cars, even if separated at birth.
Every supposed research paper attempting t state that it is genetic has been a fraud, and cost a number of people their careers for manipulating or dreaming up data.
It is an evolutionary dead end, because natural selection weeds out non-productive behaviors.
That leaved us with two possibilities- its either a choice or a spiritual compulsion, or as some would name it, a demonic influence.
While its true that anal sex is not exclusively the practice of sodomites, it is the primary vehicle for the transmission of AIDS, in both genders. No amount of legislation will make an anus a vagina. One was designed will all the trimmings and chemicals for sex, one was not.
You mess with God's design at your own risk. Round pegs in square holes, so to speak, is never efficient or satisfying.
Mark Ilvedson Did I ever post homosexuality as a choice? Everyone has predisposed bents in their own unique personalities. Some of these "bents" if acted upon can have devastating consequences physically and emotionally. People end there lives for many reasons–this is not a unique homosexual trait. I have a previous appointment so I must go now but I will get back with you. I would encourage you to research physical consequences of homosexual behavior–some of which is prevalent in the heterosexual community as well. If you love your partner, you will not engage in actions that are harmful to yourself or your partner. This goes for everyone–not just homosexuals. I know you probably won't believe me but you and all homosexuals are deeply loved by God. God has no agenda–He is pure love. Love always puts another before oneself.
Can anyone give a reason why LGBT community should not have the same rights as others outside of a religious belief that you follow? over 50% of heterosexual marriages end in divorce, so lets not pretend that marriage is some sacred thing to our society. I ask for one reason why the LGBT community should not have the same rights as the rest of our society., but feel free to list more if you can find them.
Separation of church and state isnt in the constitution you say, so then there is no reason why the state, local, and federal governments can't tax church owned businesses, and sales cant be taxed then right? What about making laws to where kids cant be sent to a religious school, or have a openly religious teacher so that they are not indoctrinated into the life style?
Quit with your bigotry, put down the book that thinks for you and start making your own decisions and reasoning for your life choices. I again dare a person to come up with a legitimate reason why the LGBT community should be treated any different. Remember that it was once in our laws that we could own slaves, so I dont want to hear the BS of it states in ___ that it is between a man and a woman. Just because something is a law does not make it right. In some countries there is no such thin as raping your wife because in their holy book it says so (at least that is what they spin it in to) The bible also says that a man and a woman should not deny their partner. This is not said so they may rape one another, it is said because sexual release helps keep a relationship strong.
SO, BRING ON THE BIGOTRY!!! I want a non religious reason why LGBT's should not hold the same rights as heterosexuals.
Kelly Calder
"It is okay to be homosexual IF THAT'S WHO YOU ARE. Just like it's okay to be heterosexual if that's who you are. "
Its never OK, its unnatural, and odd, but as Christians we at least don't burn you at stake. But please, take the advise you give Christians, and keep it private. Why should I even know if you're a sodomite? You spend more time at red lights than you do having sex!
"Yeah and Jesus never condemned homosexuals. Ever." Any sodomites in Israel had already been taken care of by the priests – there weren't any for Jesus to comment on – truly dumb statement! But Jesus DID uphold the law, which DID condemn sodomy! Not that Jesus wouldn't have associated with one. The woman caught in adultery faced the same fate as a sodomite, yet Jesus forgave her with one condition – Go and sin no more. Sodomites can get the same forgiveness to day, with the same condition!
"Who cares if the Bible is burned and spit on. It's just a book. Just like the Quran and every other religious text. If you need that to have your faith…well I guess you're not as faithful as you thought."
The Bible is God's revelation to man, the guide for daily living and the route book to eternity! you denigrate it at your own peril. It IS the SOURCE of our faith. Imagine telling the supreme court that they could rule on legislation without their library of precedents. Another astonishingly stupid statement!
"Pretty sure Jesus preached without a Bible."
More willful ignorance. Jesus went into the temple and opened up the scroll at Isaiah . . . . Why is it that those who rail most about the Bible have the least knowledge of it? I Know! because if they took the time to study it they would have come to the same conclusion many brilliant atheists have – God is real, the Bible is Truly God's Revelation to us, and a life lived without God is always unfruitful! Read Lee Strobbels book "the Case for Christ" as an enlightened militant atheist. Or Ben Hur which is available in comic form, so its simple.
"Oh yeah it wasn't written until YEARS after he died AND not in his words. It was written in the perception of others. "
Jesus died in 31 AD or so. All the gospels were probably completed by then. None recorded the fall of Jerusalem which happened in 67 AD, and would have made for a great followup because of Christs prediction that not one stone of the temple would remain standing on another. After the temple was burned, the gold ran in between the stones, and so the prophesy was fulfilled. AND most of the books in our Bible were already in circulation as Scripture in the Mauritian Canon of about 80 AD.
Writing was an uncommon occurrence in that day. Parchment was very expensive. Few knew how to read, fewer how to write. Jesus only was in public life for 3 years. DR. Luke wrote two books, the first after interviewing a great many people who lived with Jesus, saw his miracles, etc. Solid scholarly research. Secular historians also include mentions of his miracles, it doesn't have to come from the Bible.
That's how biographies are written. And they can be very accurate – there are new biographies of Washington coming out and he died centuries years ago!
There are more documents, more references and more manuscripts regarding Jesus than Homer, Julius Caesar, or any of the other personages of that Time. Jesus was written about by friends AND enemies – and even the admissions of his enemies support what the Bible says of him! The lengths to which his skeptics went to explain the sky turning black during his crucifixion are just as improbable as His skeptics today. Astronomy tells us that there was no eclipse anywhere near the date of his crucifixion.
Just how wrong can one guy be in one post! Get an education before you ignorantly chastise others
Paul Robinson …EXCELLENT POSTS!…..
"The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." 1 Corinthians, chapter 1.
TO ALL THE SAVED ON THIS BOARD…."So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles (those who are perishing) do, in the futility of their thinking. They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, with a continual lust for more." Ephesians, chapter 4.
Les Redmon The Bible is ancient text written by men and you know that. Please do not use scripture from the Bible to support your argument. It's downright silly. It is your religion that is preventing homosexuals from being recognized as social equivalents in our society. Thankfully, it's a generational thing. The Republican Party of 20 years from now will be in full support of same sex marriage, just as they were against interracial marriage 60 years ago, and now support it. Discrimination never wins. Reason will always prevail in the long run.
Douglas Brininstool But would it have bothered you if he had talked about kissing a girl? Oh no – the scary homosexuals are going to "turn" all of us. Let's all throw a big fit. C'mon people. I know all of you can't be so naive about homosexuality.
Paul Robinson You say it's unnatural and odd – because YOU aren't a homosexual. But to a homosexual, they view heterosexuals as "unnatural and odd." So what.
"As Christians we don't burn you at the stake." HA! They might not burn people at the stake NOW but at one time it was a very common practice. Don't act all high and mighty. Christianity has the blood in its past just like every other religion.
Well if sodomy is "condemned" by your god and Jesus then a lot of heterosexuals are going to hell. You don't have to answer this and I don't expect you to but you're going to tell me you have never received oral sex? Ever? Oral sex is sodomy. I'm pretty sure a lot of Christians – even if just with their spouse – have committed oral sex and therefore have committed sodomy.
Heard all of the other stuff you've said from many other people. I just hear the teacher from Charlie Brown at this point.
Why do you feel the need to try to convince me you're right? I don't think you or any other follower of any other religion are right. So what? Obviously you're not very confident in your faith if you care what I say about it. Believe what you want. I just don't like it shoved in my face.
Paul Robinson Wait evolutionary dead end? I thought you didn't believe in evolution as a Christian…hmmm.
I never said I was an expert but I have yet to meet a homosexual who said "You know what? I just woke up one day and said 'I think I'll try being homosexual." THat doesn't happen.
Paul Robinson Wait evolutionary dead end? I thought you didn't believe in evolution as a Christian…hmmm.
I never said I was an expert but I have yet to meet a homosexual who said "You know what? I just woke up one day and said 'I think I'll try being homosexual." THat doesn't happen.
You imply a community where one doesn't necessarily exist. When I served in the Marines it was for the entire United States. Perhaps you might want to do some soul searching yourself. If you don't like an act perhaps you should understand why things are and where they need to be. When I don't like an act I do say something. The more I hear people harp the more I want to express in detail what it really was like for me to grow up. Everyone finds their way. I think if people identified as one orientation or another it would be better to support them until they found their way because if you truly loved someone you wouldn't point a finger. God works in mysterious ways.
Vasas Christopher Don't like an act? Imply a community where one doesn't exist? I'm confused – who are you responding to? What "act?" Who is pointing fingers? I think this whole topic has lost its way.
Paul Robinson – You're the worst kind of hateful bigot there is. You're pretty much assured of hell when you die. You're the person of whom the bible speaks when it says, "away from me you evil doers, I never knew you." Jesus would never approve of any of the hate and vitriol you spew on this forum. You're an extremely bad representative of your nation and your employer. You should be ashamed that your heart is so dark and the only things you know how to teach are fear and shame. The only reason you believe same-gender attraction is a sin is because you distort the bible. But the ignorant always do that because religion has always been force fed to them. You are a son of the devil and God is ashamed of you. You should start getting used to extremely hot temperatures.
Still Not a single person who has attacked LGBT's has given a single non religious reason behind their bigotry. Which just proves to me they are but wolves in sheeps skin. Spreading hate and using religion as a shield to do so.
Nicholas Papa ..I use the Bible because it is truth. Sexual deviants have no truth, their lives are based on a lie and they keep repeating the lie that they are born that way. Why do they hide this? It's because they are ashamed and they live in darkness and cannot know the truth. You speak of reason?…but you should say what it really is…perverted reason. Do you think the Republican Party is the only thing standing for the truth? The GOP has perverts in it too, just not to the extent the Socialist Perverted Democrat Party does. There is no righteousness in politics, just like many things it is corrupted by the wicked hand of man. Sexual perversions, abortion, pornography, drugs are destroying this Nation…this should be no surprise to those who know the Bible. The Saved are not to worry, they are safe. The wicked like you will get your just reward…unless you repent and trust Jesus.
Rearding this subject story…….
More and more people are taking their kids out of public schools because of the sexual perversions there.
Les Redmon I have yet to hear you – or any "Christian" – attack heterosexual "sexual deviants." They do exist. Let's see pedophiles – those are sexual deviants and more so then any homoseuxal. What are most pedophiles? Heterosexuals. Rapists – among heterosexuals. That's deviant behavior but I don't see anyone denouncing rapists. I see a lot of blame the victim mentality when it comes to a rape. But yet homosexuals are the "perverted" ones. I'm sure among homosexuals there are deviants and perverts – but so are there among heterosexuals. Every group has its bad people.
The Republican Party doesn't have its perverts to the extent the Democrats do? Are you kidding me? The majority of politicians who get caught up in extramarital affairs – especially homoseuxal ones – are conservatives or Republicans!!! Wow – you're going to deny the number of pastors and priests who have had either homosexual affairs or the pedophile priests (which pedophilia and homosexuality are two different things let's get that straight).
"Sexual perversions" in public school? Oh geez – teenagers have always talked about or had sex in high school. Just because the 50s seemed sanitized on TV – or even before that – doesn't mean it didn't happen. Yeah and I'm really sure married couples slept in separate beds too back then.
Kelly Calder …Here it is again since apparently you rant but are not honest enough to read.
…." "This homosexual advocate now admits what we've known for years. Homosexuals are pedophiles who abuse and rape children; which they must do to maintain their available pool of future sex partners."
http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=9797
Kelly Calder …I don't have the time to waste any more on you and your perverted views and opinions. You make the most wild-eyed claims!
PAUL ROBINSON has already destroyed your 'arguments'. Read those again. Rather I should say for others who are following to read. You are doubtless too perverted in your mind to understand him.
Les Redmon
You are so blinded by your hatred that you can no longer know fact from fiction. I know several gay people of both sexes who were not molested, or assaulted in any way shape or form, or indoctrinated by some one. As long as you hide behind the perception of others you will be damned to live a bigoted life. How many LGBT's have you met? How many have you talked to about why they are the way they are? I bet you just spit on them and deem them a spawn of Satan, and out of fear of being seduced refuse to listen to any reasoning. You are the very manifestation of evil that is in this world, you judge and smite others blindly on the falsities which have clouded your spiteful soul.
Sean Henry .."damned to a bigoted life"??…Do you have any idea what you are condemned to….unless you repent (turn) and honestly get informed of the Gospel? Read John in the Holy Bible. Read it slowly and carefully. That is all I have for you….. but….. I have given you something more precious than gold and anything you hold dear in this poor lost world. Now do it. Your life depends on it.
Les Redmon LOL!! Like YOU really know what someone's afterlife is going to be. Puh-lease. I think he has a better chance than YOU do. I don't think anyone would want to spend eternity around you from how you talk on here.
Les Redmon LOL!! Like YOU really know what someone's afterlife is going to be. Puh-lease. I think he has a better chance than YOU do. I don't think anyone would want to spend eternity around you from how you talk on here.
Les Redmon
I don't think you have answered a single question that was directed at you, or given you own opinion. All you do is judge people you do not know, for things you don't know if they have or have not done. I refuse religion and embrace realism, there for I am Agnostic, or a form of a non religious Buddhist. I only accept that which I see and feel my self to be truth. I experience life and make choices based upon my own experience, my own knowledge, and my own emotions. If I am to burn in hell for using my free will that was given to me, then I do not believe there is a just god and there for refuse his prophets and laws.
You do not need religion to live an honest life.I refuse to let others dictate how I should live my life based on their own experiences. Why do you believe in what you do? Because some one wrote it in a book and claimed it to be the word of god? Do you just follow what is said by you priest? Or is there some other thing that dictates your actions. I believe we should have laws that allow everyone to live their life how they choose, so long as they do not intentionally remove the free will of others.
Bigotry is a sin based upon your precious bible. Jesus and the prophets who have come to pass along the word of god did not teach people to be intolerant. They came to show that it is through love and respect that people are enlightened. I will take my own wisdom over the spiteful beliefs you hold any day, and if I am to be punished for using my free will to live a life I chose. So be it, but I believe that at the end of the day it is better to love everyone and do just things because they are good, not because I fear the wrath of god. It is the ends that justify the means, not the other way around. It is why you do what you do that makes what you do good or bad. If you help people because you are afraid of being punished, it is not a good act. I believe that the proper term would be slavery, or black mail.
Joel Troumbly Considering the Bible didn't exist until he died…yeah. Maybe the Torah or "Old Testament" as Christians call it.
Les Redmon – Sir, if you are going to quote Ephesians 4 perhaps you should read it to the end. Ephesians 4:29-31……29 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.31 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice…..(This is how you, as a Christian, are to comport yourself.)
If the Great Commission to to win disciples to Christ, I cannot help but think that you are failing. Your attitude and language are not going to win disciples, but drive them further away. Perhaps Micah 6:8 will remind you……..No, O people, the LORD has told you what is good, and this is what he requires of you: to do what is right, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
Douglas Brininstool, Amen, very well said!
Howard Aubre,y You sir are oblivious to which you speak…
@ Mark Ilvedson, sir we can argue back and forth till we are both blue in the face. I BELIEVE that everyone has a choice. It states over and over in the BIBLE we are born with choices as a man/woman. You sir can BELIEVE what you will and I will BELIEVE what I will. I do not hate ANYONE who is homosexual but that does not mean I have to agree with the lifestyle of homosexual. I do not like the fact that homosexuals have so much hate for religion and expect everyone else to feel the same way. SOCIETY its self has so much discremination and not just pointed at homosexuality.
Howard Aubrey, you've resorted to what I will not, name calling. I am not ignorant, and if I'm wrong and there is no God then what have I lost?? If you're wrong, you've lost your soul. I'll take my chances.
Tanner Cade Ross-Adams: Wow, never once did I say I "hated" anyone. And I will not resort to name-calling which is where several (including you) in this string have gone. I don't agree with that lifestyle and I just don't believe that it should have been highlighted in a yearbook. Simply put. The thing that has continued to amaze me is how those who take the opposite position of mine have stooped to name-calling. I guess when all else fails, that's where we go. I would be the first one to stand up for someone who is gay if they were being bullied. Bullying is wrong. I have family members who are gay, friends, co-workers, etc.. But that doesn't mean I have to agree with how they choose to live their life. Just the same way that you apparently don't agree with my way to live mine, which is by the word of Almighty God.
Kelly Calder "People who are homosexual don't "choose" to be that way. They are born that way." Thanks for proving your ignorance and you you drink from the MSM and homosexual advocates agenda…
Kelly Calder "I have yet to meet a homosexual who said "You know what? I just woke up one day and said 'I think I'll try being homosexual." THat doesn't happen. " Oh really now…Cynthia Nixon "Cynthia Nixon declared last week in a controversial New York Times interview that for her, being gay "is a choice," but the "Sex and the City" star is now rectifying those remarks in response to public outcry from lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) activists. "
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/30/cynthia-nixon-gay-choice-bisexual-_n_1242393.html
Notice, why she had to change her original truthful comment…PC pressure by homosexual activist, by saying it is a choice doesn't further their cause and make it look like they have no choice in the matter…oh pity them. Keep drinking the MSM and homosexual agenda kool-aid and remain naive, believe what others tell you too. You are doing such a good job so far. Oh, and the term "gay" was hijacked by the homosexual activists to make sounding homosexual more nice and happy like, vs. being labeled homosexual which was defined as an actual mental condition back until the 1970s.
Travis Wickline Didn't BAN anything – gays can go have their big gay wedding, wear rings, etc. This is about vocabulary and money and about shoving their perverse lifestyle on an unwilling electorate, N.C. is set to vote for defining marriage between one man, one woman, today. Gays will lose in N.C. and your buddy Obama, the coward he is, cancelled his campaign stop because he's so weak on your SSM issue in that state. 77% of blacks also voted for Prop 8, talk to them about SSM marriage, you'll hear the same thing, NO.
Jesher Spelling Yep, homosexuals are especially loathed in the black community. Because it's a Christian thing? No because vast majority see it as abomination on true male masculinity.
Kelly Calder – did they run an article from a straight students first kiss that made them realize they liked the opposite sex? Or about going out in Atlanta? Dont confuse the issue. Dont confuse the issue. If sexual preferences are going to be printed in a book for all students then there should have been a page where a student was interviewed about why they think its okay to be staright. Then we would be having an open conversation about sexual preferences right? Do you hinestly think thats okay??? And if you think it is, do you think a yearbook is the right forum for this? Did it document a Gay pride event the young man led as a student that year? No?? Well what about being beaten up during the school year for being gay?? No? Oh okay, well was he the president of a student gay and lesbian organization this year? Anything pertaining to school activities??? Tell me agin why it was given a full page when other activiteis and club photos were turned away. As a parent of a high school child that is what makes me angry!!
Heywood Jablueme Let me ask you something: Would someone actually choose to be gay?!?! I came out at age 18. I lost ALL of my family (wouldn't even acknowledge me when they saw me in the grocery store), including siblings, parents and grandparents who I was very close to. I was gay bashed twice (once I ended up in a coma and the charges against the perpetrators was attempted murder), I have lost three jobs due to the religious owners of the companies cut my hours down to between 2 and 10 hours a week after they heard from a co-worker that they thought I was gay. I have lost friends. And even lost an apartment– the landlord "repossessed" the property after the mailman delivered a letter from a gay support group accidentally to their apartment. So do you honestly think I would choose to have all of that heartache and headache???? If you think anyone would willingly pick to go through all that, you are more delusional than I thought..
Todd Starnes seems to have an obsession with all things gay. Why is that?
And here is part of that psy-op I pointed out…
Nick ~ The only people that have an obsession with gays are gays!
Bud Thibodaux are you saying Todd Starnes is gay?
You are all fucking morons. Seriously, don't reproduce, you homophobic sacks of shit. For fuck's sake, it's people like you that make me lose all faith in humanity.
What is wrong with the story about him? What I take from this article is that parents are mad THEIR kids didn't get a page. That story was okay written (they used the wrong form of "their" – should've been "there") but nothing was offensive about it. And why should the faculty adviser be investigated for "criminal" activity? I doubt he encouraged the kid to do anything – the kid was already out! Everyone knew he was gay at school – so what? Oh and it made me laugh when he said straight guys hit on him when he cross-dressed. Most heterosexual guys can't tell the difference between a cross-dresser and a biological female. That is because most guys will stick their dick in anything with a hole.
But I don't see this as unacceptable or anything wrong with it. I think some people need to stop being so judgmental.
Wow, all your other comments make sense now after reading this vulgar post.
Wow, all your other comments make sense now after reading this vulgar post.
Nancy Overton How is it "vulgar?" Are you serious? Okay I work around mostly males and have been for the last 8 years. Trust me – SOME guys will stick it in anything. It's pretty sad that some guys have no standards especially when deployed. But this wasn't vulgar – oh no I said "dick." GASP!!! Whatever shall we do.
Kelly Calder – If you can see the vulgarity in what you wrote then you'll agree to anything.
Kelly Calder: Given your extremely low opinion of men, I'd say you are a lesbian: or you're angry that your low self-esteem won't let you speak up when guys stick it in any hole and not feel or smell a difference.
Frank Davis If I can or can't see the vulgarity? Which one is it? And if I can't see the vulgarity why would I agree to anything? Your statement makes no sense. Sorry. The only "vulgar" word I used was dick. But it's true for a lot of guys. I've seen some of the girls guys will have sex with when they go without it for months…yikes!
Until they give out letters for mattress sports discussions about libidinous behavior are inappropriate at best. Intentionally confrontational and intentionally serving a political agenda.
Kelly Calder : If you can't understand the inappropriateness of your comment without having someone else explain it to you, perhaps you need to return to high school.
Kelly Calder Kelly, so now you are being intollerant of other girls that might not be as pretty, or as thin, or as tall, or…. You even said in your post – I don't see why anybody should have an issue with the article, because the kid was already out, and everybody knew it. If that is the case, then why did it have to be in there? If everybody knew about him being homosexual, then why the story about being homosexual? There aren't stories written about being heterosexual in the year book – you say pictures of guys and gals holding hands, or dancing – but those are pics, not full page stories. There is something being promoted via the story, and others have issue with it, and find it offensive. Not the person the story was about, but the activity.
Douglas Brininstool Are you serious? When was I "intolerant" of other girls that might not be as pretty or thin or tall as? Where did you get that from? That makes no sense. I never said anything about other girls? Oh trust me – go talk to some other people who have been deployed…there's this thing called "deployment princesses" or even in Korea. There are girls who also have sex with questionable guys but I digress. If you haven't deployed, you wouldn't get it. I'm not perfect and I don't think I'm hot or anything and I'm not really even talking about looks with some of these guys and girls. I'm talking personality, attitude that makes them ugly. Looks don't mean a lot to me most of the time.
Anyway – why was it in the yearbook? I don't know! I don't go to that school. If it was reflection on high school, that was HIS high school experience. Go ask the school or the kids on yearbook staff why.
I brought up pics of guys and girls because that one lady said that talking about homosexuality is "child porn." That means talking about heterosexuality is "child porn" too. Or pics of it should be "child porn" in her opinion.
Okay so I'm going to slightly cross threads which I hate but – so homosexuality offends some of you guys and it shouldn't be shown or promoted. But if religion offends someone and that message form the Jesus T-shirt article might have offended some people but those people have to "deal with it?" That makes no sense. It's not a one way street.
Kelly Calder: Judgement only hurts or angers when it causes shame, and shame comes from a certain amount of agreement with the judgement. When I am judged disappointedly, I feel ashamed when I know that I didn't give it my best effort and agree with that the judge's disappointment. When I am judged disappointedly and I had given my best effort, I do not feel shame because I either disagree with the judge's assessment or I accept that my best effort wasn't sufficient to exceed other competitors that have more experience or innate talent.
For example, if I judge you to be a slob when you know you're always well-groomed and well-dressed, you'd roll your eyes and think me a nut. Now if you often oversleep, jump out of bed, throw on clothes you wore two days ago because they don't quite stink yet, and you quickly rake a comb through your hair on your way in to work, you probably WILL be bothered by the judgment since you already know that some days you aren't quite well put-together.
On the converse, I have close friends who roll their eyes at me for wasting valuable hours of life on "church and religion and mythology" but it doesn't bother me because I have no doubts about that use of my time. Now if I struggle with overeating and someone tells me I have no discipline, that ticks me off because I ALREADY doubt my self-control and someone bringing it up only brings up those negative feelings I already have about it.
In other words, if you don't have your OWN doubts about the rightness or wrongess of what your are doing, then why does others' judgment annoy you so much? I think your spelling of the word "heterosexual" is attrocious. Does that annoy you? I think your choice to be in the military shows a lack of initiative- you know if not told what to do, you'd probably do very little or nothing at all. Does that annoy you? I don't believe that last statament but unfortuneately there are some arrogant anti-military libs who think it. I wouldn't fault you if it did annoy you since most EVERYBODY has doubts about their career choice, including me.
Kelly Calder That shirt was deemed offensive and he was suspended for the day. As for when you were intollerant of other girls – it was your comment that was. Look up a couple posts and you will see it (I did refer to it). Maybe you do not feel it is intollerant, but those that it might apply to, might feel differently.
Kelly Calder That shirt was deemed offensive and he was suspended for the day. As for when you were intollerant of other girls – it was your comment that was. Look up a couple posts and you will see it (I did refer to it). Maybe you do not feel it is intollerant, but those that it might apply to, might feel differently.
Kelly Calder That shirt was deemed offensive and he was suspended for the day. As for when you were intollerant of other girls – it was your comment that was. Look up a couple posts and you will see it (I did refer to it). Maybe you do not feel it is intollerant, but those that it might apply to, might feel differently.
Kelly Calder That shirt was deemed offensive and he was suspended for the day. As for when you were intollerant of other girls – it was your comment that was. Look up a couple posts and you will see it (I did refer to it). Maybe you do not feel it is intollerant, but those that it might apply to, might feel differently.
obviously you have experience with "guys sticking their dick in anything with a hole" (or is it a**hole?)
obviously you have experience with "guys sticking their dick in anything with a hole" (or is it a**hole?)
obviously you have experience with "guys sticking their dick in anything with a hole" (or is it a**hole?)
obviously you have experience with "guys sticking their dick in anything with a hole" (or is it a**hole?)
David Nuland Oh I don't have that experience personally. I have standards. But I have had guys ask me if they can stick it in my a##hole. But oh homosexuals are all the perverts…
Douglas Brininstool I wasn't intolerant of other girls. Not at all. Oh and I even said I don't think I'm the hottest thing in the world. I've had guys and girls say they thought I was ugly. I've had guys say that I'm hot. It's all the perception of the person. I could care less if a person tells me I'm ugly or "sexy" or whatever.
Kelly Calder You are missing the point. Your comment would be offensive and intollerant to one of those ladies you referred to. In your eyes, you feel it was an okay comment to make (just like christians being less intelligent – that might have been Nicholas and not you, so sorry if it wasn't you, but it is the same premise).
Kelly Calder You are missing the point. Your comment would be offensive and intollerant to one of those ladies you referred to. In your eyes, you feel it was an okay comment to make (just like christians being less intelligent – that might have been Nicholas and not you, so sorry if it wasn't you, but it is the same premise).
Douglas Brininstool I never said Christians are less intelligent. Might want to get your comments straight. It isn't offensive when some of those girls themselves admit to being the deployment princess or other things. Sorry but what do you call someone who gives sex to whoever asks for it? I call that not having standards.
Kelly Calder Kelly, I did say that I wasn't sure if you said it or if Nicholas did – so why the comment back about "getting my facts straight"? That seems kind of mean – maybe read "ALL" of my comment. Secondly, you ask what I call it when a gal gives sex to whoever asks for it? I call it sad, low self esteem, a person who hasn't felt good about themselves for a while, someone who may have been hurt or put down by others over and over again, and just strives for some personal feeling of "love" though they are misguided in what real love is. They are someone to pray for, to help to get their life hopefully into a better level so they won't do that. They might also be a person that just totally loves sex, regardless of the issues that goes along with it all – the "sin" of it being out of a marriage relationship, the potential for diseases, and other un-healthy aspects from it. They are also a person that God loves and wants more in life for them. Hope that helps. I also hope you see that I didn't once talk bad about them.
Douglas Brininstool I did read all of it – it was a suggestion. Why so defensive? You have your opinions, I have mine.
Douglas Brininstool I did read all of it – it was a suggestion. Why so defensive? You have your opinions, I have mine.
I don't understand why there has to be ANY talk about sexual orientation or sex for that matter in schools. We all grew up in schools where we didn't have formal discussions about who prefered what and we grew up fine, I really think the incidence of suicide/bullying whatever has SEVERLY INCREASED since it became so common place to talk about it in schools. There are CHILDREN after all can't we let them be children. What kind of parent tells a kid you are homosexual because you kissed another boy when you were THREE! For heavens sake every one is kissing everyone when kids are little aunts, uncles neighbors etc I can see how a 3 year old might want to kiss someone and I SERioUSLY doubt its because of sexual attraction.
Bible Belt "red" states which forbid all sex ed except "abstinence only" have the highest rates of teen pregnancy, STDs, and abortions.
Luke Owens – Care to site a source? I know that the inner cities have way more out of wedlock births. 70% of all blacks are born to a single mom.
You didn't grow up fine at all, Heidi, when this is something that bothers you and other people. I am 25 and this is fine to me and pretty much anyone my age. We are certainly not deviants for thinking so, either.
You didn't grow up fine at all, Heidi, when this is something that bothers you and other people. I am 25 and this is fine to me and pretty much anyone my age. We are certainly not deviants for thinking so, either.
You didn't grow up fine at all, Heidi, when this is something that bothers you and other people. I am 25 and this is fine to me and pretty much anyone my age. We are certainly not deviants for thinking so, either.
You didn't grow up fine at all, Heidi, when this is something that bothers you and other people. I am 25 and this is fine to me and pretty much anyone my age. We are certainly not deviants for thinking so, either.
You didn't grow up fine at all, Heidi, when this is something that bothers you and other people. I am 25 and this is fine to me and pretty much anyone my age. We are certainly not deviants for thinking so, either.
You didn't grow up fine at all, Heidi, when this is something that bothers you and other people. I am 25 and this is fine to me and pretty much anyone my age. We are certainly not deviants for thinking so, either.
You didn't grow up fine at all, Heidi, when this is something that bothers you and other people. I am 25 and this is fine to me and pretty much anyone my age. We are certainly not deviants for thinking so, either.
You didn't grow up fine at all, Heidi, when this is something that bothers you and other people. I am 25 and this is fine to me and pretty much anyone my age. We are certainly not deviants for thinking so, either.
Luke Owens – Yeah, Luke. Look at the demographics of the Bible Belt states and look at the area where most teen pregnancies, STD's, abortions…and HS dropouts take place. Not in the area that keeps the states red.
I work at a secondary school, and I can tell you all the kids are talking about sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, and other related issues. It's common, and we need to have open and honest conversations with these kiddos so they get the right information without judgment and without agenda. That is, it is equally okay to be gay or straight. Or whatever.
Ryan Hess – That's funny my 18 year old daughter says it makes her feel repulsed, and she's a normal well-adjusted kid. I think you're just a part of the freakshow crowd and that's why it appers that way to you.
Ryan Hess – That's funny my 18 year old daughter says it makes her feel repulsed, and she's a normal well-adjusted kid. I think you're just a part of the freakshow crowd and that's why it appers that way to you.
Gee, heidi. I guess you like it better when gays were too afraid for their lives, figuratively and literally, to say what they were. This allowed you to keep you head buried in the sand, blissfully unaware that not everyone was cut from the same bolt of cloth. And, you thought all those kids that were bullied simply had it coming. I have new for you babe. Suicides and bullying were common then too, but like homosexuality, no one talked about it. More of that blissful ignorance. It didnt happen to you so you didnt care. I was kissing girls at six yrs of age. didn't make me straight.
Ryan Hess How do you know it's not you who "didn't grow up fine?" You're very young, son. It would be incredibly difficult for you to know much about life at age 25. I've been to funerals of people who died of AIDS. And I've been to weddings of people who came out of that chosen lifestyle through much struggle, and CHOSE to live a life that honors God and their own bodies. So don't act as if, at age 25, you can possibly know anything. Earn your credibility first.
Frank Davis- actually Luke is correct. Mississippi has the highest teen pregnancy rate in the nation. Despite being in the bible belt and because the state chooses to have abstinence only sex ed the state has ranked number one several times. Study after study has shown abstinence programs do not work- google the topic and read for yourself – here is just one article on it. Much of Mississippi is rural-
http://health.usnews.com/health-news/articles/2012/04/10/which-state-has-the-highest-teen-birth-rate
Andrea Givens It's common because it is being shoved in their faces. Today's youth are the most pornographically bombarded generation in American history – and with the internet, perhaps in all of human history. The neo-pagan culture is creating the neo-pagan experience.
Luke Owens
You are off your rocker go hit the bong again
Ryan Hess Well, I'm 29, and this is not at all "fine" with me, or anyone I know. You Leftists need to quit claiming to speak for the rest of us young people. Because you don't. I find the lifestyle disgusting and immoral, but pray for the sinner. I find the public schools' obsession with pushing anything other than a man and woman in matrimony deeply troubling, and it explains the out-of-wedlock birth epidemic that is becoming so commonplace (but I'm sure that you're "fine" with it).
You are all missing my point. Kids talk let them talk why does it have to be government (school) sanctioned. Can't schools just worry about turning out kids who can read do math etc
Andrew Hopkins,
Much of Mississippi is black.
Christopher S. Mellons Go read your bible Christ never said anything about homo sexuality.
Ryan Hess
You've been well conditioned by the propaganda machine – a victim of your academic environment. That simply means you have lost the edge on your conscience and perhaps logic and therefore gloss over a serious issue.
That propaganda machine wasn't running when some of us went to school – we learned to read write and do math. Even in my days at teachers college, the machinery was beginning to operate about condoning, then celebrating sodomy in the high school setting. Now they are setting it up in Kindergarten.
So your lack or moral conviction is [probably a result of your education – just as Orwell surmised in 1984.
Robert Vreugde You hit the nail on the head–if these behaviors and lifestyles are constantly displayed for children to see, common sense follows that they're going to talk about and emulate it. This isn't rocket science!
Andrew Hopkins Andrew – just because Mississippi is in the Bible belt doesn't mean anything. The kids that are having these teen pregnancies – are they Bible believers, or not. The fact that the schools teach abstinence might have actually reduced the number of pregnancies from what could have been???? Maybe they would have even been worse. Not to mention that those that are having the kids – are they in school, do they pay attention, did they hear and learn, or ignore, or… There are many aspects to the whole arguement, so I would be careful how the stats are used…. Just saying.
Luke Owens ..Pure nonsense. It has nothing to do with the Bible. Most of the abortions, for example, are in ONE CULTURAL group in the Red States…and elsewhere for that matter. That one group has little to do with the Bible. Oh, forgot, that group is 100% Democrat Welfarites.
Now try to stay on the subject …which is …sodomites pushing their agenda.
…." "This homosexual advocate now admits what we've known for years. Homosexuals are pedophiles who abuse and rape children; which they must do to maintain their available pool of future sex partners."
http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=9797
Oh let's just never talk about sex – that's worked out so well. Let's just ignore all sexual orientations. That makes soo much sense. "Ssh sex doesn't happen if we don't talk about it." "Well where do babies come from?" — "Well the stork duh!"
HOw do you know if that kid had a sexual attraction when he was three or not? So it's cute when a little boy kisses a girl but that's it? I guess he's not heterosexual then huh? Suicide/bullying has increased because we're talking about homosexuality openly? That's the reason for it? Or maybe it's because some parents are so ignorant, they pass that ignorance onto their children.
Kelly Calder There has been bullying and suicide for hundreds and thousands of years, and not just against the homosexual. The fat, the thin, the pretty, the ugly, the sexually active, the not-sexually active, the ones in faith, the ones out of faith…. The fact that the media darling is currently the homosexual allows the portrayal that it is only happening to them.
Douglas Brininstool Actually the "media" darling isn't just homosexuals. It's everyone who is bullied AND they are focusing on the bullies now too because no one just wakes up one day and is a bully. Either they were bullied or something happened to them to make them feel so inferior they have to tear down others.
Kelly Calder – huh…. Exactly my point.
Kelly Calder – huh…. Exactly my point.
Wow. Just Wow. Society needs to grasp the fact that there is NOTHING wrong with homosexuality. If you guys lived in Lenoir City where this nonsense is happening, you would understand why there is "christian bashing" going on. There was a page created before I created my page (Take A Stand Against the Ignorance In Lenoir City) That was made for strictly gay bashing and THREATENING HIGHSCHOOL STUDENTS….
He wasn't promoting gay sex, or trying to corral other students into becoming gay. He was TELLING HIS STORY! This is absolutely ridiculous. There is no hope for man kind is there?
I forgot to mention, the original page was created by "so called Christians" who were doing the bashing and threats btw.
There is everything wrong with homosexualtiy. Need proof? You don't see animals doing that.
Frank Davis , are you kidding me? I see dogs humping dogs all the time…. ????? Where is your point you are trying to make? I see no point made.
Frank Davis approximately 1500 species of animals have been documented committing homosexual acts. Don't be an idiot.
And you need to understand that there's a time and a place for everything. You need to understand that living in a civil society requires adherence to certain standards of behavior so as to promote harmony. While you may believe that you have a right to do whatever you want whenever you want, you will learn that life doesn't always work that way.
Courtney Supermom Crouse because your young, dumb, and full of the me me me!!
Paige Shaw Eveland , I'm young and dumb? I'm sorry your a bigot and uneducated.
Courtney Supermom Crouse tell me all about it teen mom.
Go girl!
Paige Shaw Eveland lol…. wow. I'm def 25 years old. You sound like a fool.
Courtney Supermom Crouse a 25 year old woman, who apparently only knows ebonics, and is following around a bunch of high school kids…yeah, it's all me. BTW how old were you when you gave birth to your 1st child?
Courtney Supermom Crouse a 25 year old woman, who apparently only knows ebonics, and is following around a bunch of high school kids…yeah, it's all me. BTW how old were you when you gave birth to your 1st child?
Courtney Supermom Crouse a 25 year old woman, who apparently only knows ebonics, and is following around a bunch of high school kids…yeah, it's all me. BTW how old were you when you gave birth to your 1st child?
Courtney Supermom Crouse a 25 year old woman, who apparently only knows ebonics, and is following around a bunch of high school kids…yeah, it's all me. BTW how old were you when you gave birth to your 1st child?
Courtney Supermom Crouse a 25 year old woman, who apparently only knows ebonics, and is following around a bunch of high school kids…yeah, it's all me. BTW how old were you when you gave birth to your 1st child?
Courtney Supermom Crouse a 25 year old woman, who apparently only knows ebonics, and is following around a bunch of high school kids…yeah, it's all me. BTW how old were you when you gave birth to your 1st child?
Courtney Supermom Crouse a 25 year old woman, who apparently only knows ebonics, and is following around a bunch of high school kids…yeah, it's all me. BTW how old were you when you gave birth to your 1st child?
Courtney Supermom Crouse a 25 year old woman, who apparently only knows ebonics, and is following around a bunch of high school kids…yeah, it's all me. BTW how old were you when you gave birth to your 1st child?
Frank Davis Educate yourself. I am not taking sides in this, but please, educate yourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior
Frank Davis A lot of animals have homosexual relations
Frank Davis A lot of animals have homosexual relations
Cyndi Burke Committing homosexual acts is not indicative of homosexuality. Homosexuality is have physical attraction the same sex, exclusively. I would venture to say that the behaviors in the species you state are when the opposite sex is unavailable such as in prisons in the case of humans. if an opposite sex partner is available, homosexuals acts would not be prevalent. If you put rats in an enclosed space together, the will kill and eat each other, should we call cannibalism natural and acceptable? Don't be a liberal moron.
Cyndi Burke Committing homosexual acts is not indicative of homosexuality. Homosexuality is have physical attraction the same sex, exclusively. I would venture to say that the behaviors in the species you state are when the opposite sex is unavailable such as in prisons in the case of humans. if an opposite sex partner is available, homosexuals acts would not be prevalent. If you put rats in an enclosed space together, the will kill and eat each other, should we call cannibalism natural and acceptable? Don't be a liberal moron.
Frank Davis Here is a link for you. I know it is wikipedia but you can start with it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior
David Nuland There are some animals that mate for life in a homosexual relationship. http://io9.com/5830973/gay-finches-mate-for-life
Frank Davis False. Homosexuality is rife throughout the animal kingdom. Of course then hide that information in books that don't have the word "bible" on the cover… so I can see how such info might get overlooked…
Paige Shaw Eveland You certainly don't waste any time with the ad hominem attacks.
David Nuland "you would venture to say" and you would of course be wrong. There are many instances of homosexuality in animals that are not a result of lack of access to the opposite sex. Amongst domesticated sheep, consistently 10% of males prefer to mate with males than females. All this is moot however. The issue is not whether or not you understand homosexuality or not (and you clearly don't). The issue is about a young person talking about growing up gay. The yearbook is a perfectly reasonable place for such a discussion. The yearbook is all about the high school experience. I think it is fair to say this young person wanted to show that not all kids experience high school in the same way.
Courtney Supermom Crouse ; it is an abomination, disgusting, abnormal, emotional deviance, and the thought of a man giving it to another man in the rear makes a normal man want to throw up. Yuk!!!! A sickness that should be culled once discovered or keep it in the closet so that normal people won't have to even think about it.
So…would the yearbook have covered a student story that read, "It's okay to be a heterosexual?" I doubt it.
Michael McGlasson, that might have something to do with the fact that heterosexuals are not frequently bullied, attacked, and abused simply for being heterosexual.
Michael McGlasson, that might have something to do with the fact that heterosexuals are not frequently bullied, attacked, and abused simply for being heterosexual.
Michael McGlasson, seriously? That is the best you have?
Michael McGlasson, seriously? That is the best you have?
Michael McGlasson Yearbooks sometimes have the "best" couple. These are usually heterosexual couples. That is saying "It's okay to be a heterosexual"
Shane Porter – Best couple doesn't that describe the sexual orientation of the subjects.
Peter Oelbaum – Peter – you know if that story showed up in a yearbook one of the radical types would take aim at it.
Frank Davis. You don't seen animals giving fellation in the wild either but I bet you enjoy this unnatural act.
Paige Shaw Eveland I think you need to examine the 'ad hominem' logical fallacy.
Cyndi Burke Same sex attraction has indeed been observed in the animal kingdom but it is not prevalent when opposite sexes are available.
Yes there is hope for mankind and even women kind, just not your kind. There are some beautiful men and daughters of God out there who are not as learned as others. I would even say there are some beautiful gay men and daughters of God out there who are really sharp in their knowledge of our planet. Yet wisdom is what ye lack and no amount of knowledge will provide you with more thereof. So ignorant be thou faithful whose wisdom is above all else but yourself is foolish as a man who likens pornography as sex education.
Jeannine Howard I love the homosexual is natural in the animal kingdom debate. After all if animals are doing it then it must be okay. Lets not forget about the other things animals do, after sex bitting the head of and cannibalizing their mate, Eating their own young sometimes, eating poop, and killing reveal males for matting rights.
Jeannine Howard I love the homosexual is natural in the animal kingdom debate. After all if animals are doing it then it must be okay. Lets not forget about the other things animals do, after sex bitting the head of and cannibalizing their mate, Eating their own young sometimes, eating poop, and killing reveal males for matting rights.
Jason Tjapkes Well biologically, we humans are part of the animal kingdom but we have intellect that sets us apart.
Only a sodomite, or an everyday ignorant or perverted person, would say there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. That's like saying there is nothing wrong with adultery or fornication. COURTNEY CROUSE, if you are married would you say there is nothing wrong with your husband doing the next door wife or teen?…
How about him doing a man before he comes home and does you? Don't bother to reply, you have wasted your mind so don't waste my time.
Only a sodomite, or an everyday ignorant or perverted person, would say there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. That's like saying there is nothing wrong with adultery or fornication. COURTNEY CROUSE, if you are married would you say there is nothing wrong with your husband doing the next door wife or teen?…
How about him doing a man before he comes home and does you? Don't bother to reply, you have wasted your mind so don't waste my time.
Frank Davis, The internet and knowledge is your friend.
Taken directly from the article called "Homosexual Behavior in Animals":
"Homosexual behavior in animals refers to the documented evidence of homosexual and bisexual behavior in various (non-human) species. Such behaviors include sex, courtship, affection, pair bonding, and parenting among same sex animals. A 1999 review by researcher Bruce Bagemihl shows that homosexual behavior has been observed in close to 1,500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented for 500 of them…"
Apologies, I should have specified above… That excerpt is taken directly from Wikipedia.
Courtney Supermom Crouse You are right, I Had a Gay dog once…..I Neutered him. Problem solved!!…That statement is about as ridiculous as your entire philosophy and stand, and why 96% of the population should have to deal with all of this is beyond me. The number of Gay men in this country is about the same as the number who are in Prisons around the country….This isnt about a minority, it is about a travesty, It is a travesty that a HUGE Majority should have to deal with this every day, day in and day out. Allow this to continue and the next group wanting recognition will be Pedophiles..Come on, Wake up. There is Morally right and Morally Wrong and God will judge in the end and you better not get this one wrong!!
You are wrong there is something wrong with homosexuality. You are missing something to not understand that and ill educated about the facts. Sorry I am not trying to be unkind but you need to know the truth. You are helping people destroy there lives with perversion. You are not aiding or helping them. Your actions will only serve to shorten the lives of many and add misery to it.
You are wrong there is something wrong with homosexuality. You are missing something to not understand that and ill educated about the facts. Sorry I am not trying to be unkind but you need to know the truth. You are helping people destroy there lives with perversion. You are not aiding or helping them. Your actions will only serve to shorten the lives of many and add misery to it.
Todd Groettum; first of all, the only reason that your huge majority needs to deal with this issue is because you don't mind your own business! Homosexuals would not have the need to march, protest, etc. if they were simply accepted as everyone else is and left alone. Secondly, to compare homosexuality to pedophilia, rape, murder, beastiality, etc is ignorant to say the least. All of those things HARM ANOTHER…….besides harming the moral fiber of those against it, how does 2 people loving each other HARM someone else?
Todd Groettum; first of all, the only reason that your huge majority needs to deal with this issue is because you don't mind your own business! Homosexuals would not have the need to march, protest, etc. if they were simply accepted as everyone else is and left alone. Secondly, to compare homosexuality to pedophilia, rape, murder, beastiality, etc is ignorant to say the least. All of those things HARM ANOTHER…….besides harming the moral fiber of those against it, how does 2 people loving each other HARM someone else?
Todd Groettum; first of all, the only reason that your huge majority needs to deal with this issue is because you don't mind your own business! Homosexuals would not have the need to march, protest, etc. if they were simply accepted as everyone else is and left alone. Secondly, to compare homosexuality to pedophilia, rape, murder, beastiality, etc is ignorant to say the least. All of those things HARM ANOTHER…….besides harming the moral fiber of those against it, how does 2 people loving each other HARM someone else?
Homosexuality is found in every species in nature Frank, get a clue. Put down your bible and pick up a science book
Courtney Supermom Crouse: Animals do it as a form of domination… Again a behavioral issue.
Shane Porter no one disputes that gays act like animals, but I think you're being a little insensitive to keep harping on it.
Les Redmon Matthew 7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 YOU HYPOCRITE, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
In short, you worry about YOUR life and we will worry about ours. Deal?
Joseph Bankston Not true dolphins the second most intelligent species on earth mate with the same gender for live and only mate with the opposite gender to procreate.
Travis Wickline Will you be voting this year? If so it means that you will be judging the person you are not voting for. Did you just comment that people should worry about their life? You just judged other people with that comment. Do you have kids? would you leave them alone in the hands of a convicted non repentant child malester? Would you leave your wife or girlfriend in the hands of a rapist? Why not, your wouldn't judge those people would you?
Jason Tjapkes That has nothing to do with LGBT as they have lower crime rates over all and better educations. LGBT don't harm you so no reason to judge them. Criminals do hurt others so society has a right to protect itself that is called self defense.
Christ two golden rules above ALL Other commandments. First love they God in heaven and worship no other gods or idols. Second love thy neighbor as thy self.
Until you neighbor harms you then you have no right to judge them. LGBT do not harm anyone.
Jason Tjapkes what are you going on about? I am not judging anyone, I just want people to stay out of my business. That is not a judgement, that is a request. I think you are getting in to semantics with the "judgement" thing. You know exactly what is meant by that verse. It has nothing to do with determining which candidate I am voting for, and everything to do with people passing judgement and condemnation on their fellow man when they are in no position to do so, and have been warned not to.
If I had children, and they were playing under a hornets nest, then I would remove them from the possibility of getting stung. I would NOT, however, judge the hornets and say that they are morally corrupt because they can cause harm, nor would I try to kill them to prevent my children from getting stung. I accept the hornet for what it is. That is where Christians go to extremes. They cannot accept that people are gay and just leave them be. They have to condemn, revile and judge them, while trying to keep them from living their lives. (those are facts, not judgements) That is the difference, and I think you already know that.
Courtney Supermom Crouse
And table legs, and my leg. That's not sodomy. And the difference between men and animals supposedly that we're capable of rational thought and personal accountability.
WE don't eat our young, why should we hump anything available?
You comment was just plain stoopid!
Courtney Supermom Crouse
By the way, I never noticed any bashing on the first page, and very little in the followup. If withholding affirmation is bashing, then you may be right. But its not to any logical mind. All that was asked for was fairness – taking space away from clubs in the school to promote someone who very well may have been the only sodomite in the school.
The fact that the previous year they had refused a Christian girl's story about a divine intervention and having her life spared as a result was rejected, sort of puts the yearbook staff decisions in perspective
Gee – I wonder! A girls life miraculously spared, or a boys life destroyed. Which is the more uplifting story to put in a yearbook?
Travis Wickline Travis – that was great that you could quote that verse about judging. Good job. Can you also quote the verse or verses where it talks about the abomination of homosexual sin? Secondly, if you drive over 55 on state or federal highways where the speed limit is 55, you are illegal. If I see you speeding over 55 and tell you that you are breaking the law, is that judging you? No, it is telling you/reminding you of the law and that you are breaking it and you could get in trouble for it – it is actually being helpful to remind you so you do not get penalized. That is what the Christians are doing. Reminding you of the law from God, and helping you to remember, know of it, so you won't pay the eternal penalty for sin not confessed and repentance seeken. I sin, and struggle daily, but am continually seeking God's forgiveness and help to overcome those things I sin with. All others on here also sin and many are seeking forgiveness and strength to overcome. And we strive to not keep doing it. That is the big difference.
Frank Davis ha yes you do.
Paige Shaw Eveland grow up.
David Nuland See you fail to understand attraction. When you chose yours thats what I'm curious to know. I know you didn't. Bigot.
Michael McGlasson Why wouldn't they? You don't know.
Michael McGlasson Oh dude grow up. Who is going after? Really. Who has time to worry about you?
Les Redmon I wish you would meet God very soon.
Todd Groettum No. You need to learn about capacity under the law.
Jason Tjapkes grow up. Common sense is far and few apparently.
Paul Robinson I think you should simply ask that they scrub year books of everything except for school pictures. One for each student.
Douglas Brininstool When did you chose your sexual attraction or preference? You didn't. Let people live in monogamous relationships and move on.
Vasas Christopher You can choose yours as you wish. But, it is still sin. And I do not want sin pushed on my children. You and I are loved by God, our sins are not. I chose my attraction in high school, when I decided to ask a girl out. Yes, it was a choice.
Frank Davis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
What the hell do you think this is? Are you really that fucking stupid that you couldn't do a quick Google search?
Douglas Brininstool : Really. A choice you made, eh? That explains everything. You mean to say that you REALLY wanted to ask out a boy, but went the other way, huh? If not your post has no relevance.
Mark Ilvedson I chose to ask women out. I could have decided to go the other way, but yuk! Not for me, because it was sin. We all have a choice. No, I never REALLY wanted to ask out a boy – because I chose to go the direction of women. It does have revelance. A choice doesn't mean you have to have desire for both ways. It means there is a fork in the road, and you can go one way or another. I chose one way, and not the other. It is still relevance. The fact that you place so much importance on your choice does not negate my choice because I didn't place as much importance on it. I was asked when I chose, and I said when I chose. Before that time, I was just into sports and didn't think about either.
Douglas Brininstool It's a fairly weak argument though. Here's why… You were NEVER, EVER attracted to boys though, were you? Yet, I would assume that you WERE attracted to girls. (And why not, you're straight.) Therefore, it wasn't really that much of a choice though… In the end, You did what you WANTED to do. You asked out who you WANTED to ask out. All gays really want to do is the same…
Mark Ilvedson – What weak arguement? I was asked when I made the choice. I said when. That was it. Up until the time I asked out a gal (or shortly before it) I was not interested in either – sports was my interest. Sin will be there – it is a choice for us to act on it, or not act on it – regardless of which sin it is.
Douglas Brininstool : Eh, I give up. My point is very simple. You didn't choose to be straight. You just chose to ask a women out. The thought of asking a guy out on a date probably didn't cross your mind because you weren't interested in dating a guy… If you can't see the difference in this, well, then I don't know what to say. Except maybe it's high time to get that IQ retested, there is no way it's as high as you claim.
Mark Ilvedson Sorry Mark, but it is accurate – just 2 years old on the test. How about yours? The fact that I chose to ask a girl out, and not a guy, was a choice. Could I have asked a guy out? of course, but you are right – that did not appeal to me. But I have sins of my own that I have to daily check and reject. the sin of homosexuality is also a choice to partake in the sin, or not to. Same choices.
Douglas Brininstool : It's not much of a rejection, though, if you never wanted to do it the first place. This would much be like me claiming to be a huge animal rights advocate because I no longer eating veal — when the reality is I tried it once long ago, and simply didn't care for the taste. Me choosing not to partake in it, simply isn't much of a challenge or sacrifice. Now had you chosen to remain celibate or something, you'd have a much better argument here…
Mark Ilvedson To lust after a woman, to think dirty thoughts, to lie, to be greedy, to put money over family or God, to desire a friend's car or boat or house over what I have… these are also sins that I work to overcome. Just as I said – my sins are in a different area than yours. But it is still the same – I have desires that I must control, because they are sins, even though our culture, or our world tries and says that they are okay and not sins. They still are. Same thing. Rejection does not quantify the choice – it might qualify how hard the choice is – but it is still a choice. And if I see a beautiful woman that is not my wife – it can be ever so much the same struggle or desire to lust after her, that your struggle to lust after a man, would be. Don't discount it just because it is different. It is still the same thing. Sin.
Cyndi Burke , and I guess you think you are on the same playing field as animals then. I for one am not.
Douglas Brininstool I don't believe in your laws, just like 2/3 of the rest of the population on the earth. From where I stand, Christians are just trying to tell the rest of the world how to live their lives when they should solely be focused on their own salvation (if such a thing exists).
Travis Wickline I hope you find what you are looking for, and enjoy it while you can. I will keep you in prayer, Travis, and wish you the best. Sorry you don't though, because those laws lead to eternal life, not death. But, you know better…. Peace to you.
Courtney Supermom Crouse— youre a bad girl……you confuse people who wrote in on the Lenoir City page with the pacifists who created it. But then, that serves your purpose doesnt it
Peter Oelbaum except for one thing…the article was not written by this young man, but by someone repeating what he said. And you think its okay to devote an entire page to something someone said about someone else?
Courtney Supermom Crouse again, you have no evidence that anyone bashing students were the creators of the page….thats makes everything you say suspect to factual analysis.
Courtney Supermom Crouse I live in Lenoir City and you obviously have NO CLUE what you are talking about!!!!!
Shane Porter They also have sex with their offspring….I guess that can be the norm too!
Sal Carcioppolo harming someone? It does when your SCHOOL, SCHOOL, SCHOOL yearbook, which is meant for the kids, has an article which states "It's ok to be gay" knowing that MOST of the people in this town disagree completely. We don't care if youre gay, my sister is gay, if thats what you want then go for it. But when this article is meant to try to change the minds of my kids against what I teach them, then that is when you have gone completely and totally over the line!!!!
David Hodge I can totally respect what you wrote, however would you rather the yearbook say "it is not okay to be gay" and have hundreds of gay people commit suicide (which there are at least 4 to 5 teen gay suicides a day, and that is just what is announced various places online– that is not counting the ones who are not noticed).. And I totally understand teaching in the home that "gay is not okay" bu twhen your children get into the real world (i.e. college, work, etc.) they are going to meet some very nice gay people and have to make a decision at that point: Did my parents lie to me when they said gay people are sickos or are the gay people just so intelligent that they can fool everyone into thinking they are decent people? And when that time comes, you as a parent (you general, not you specifically) will be seen as old fashioned, ignorant and bigoted by your children. And Lord help you if 10 or 20 years down the road your child realizes that they have gay or bisexual feelings– because at that point they will go into lying right to your face, avoiding you (so you don't find out) and possibly even being so ashamed due to what you taught, that they will want to harm themselves (better to be dead than to disappoint parents– at least that is how youth think).. No, I would rather them hear "it is okay to be gay" (not "gay is okay"– big difference between the two) than to see them dead to avoid disappointment and/or bullying..
you have to almost feel bad for these homosexuals. they are an abomination to the very God who created them.
So why did GOD create US?
Luke Owens To test the faithful…
Luke Owens To test the faithful…
James DeSimone Sorta like how you were created to test the will of the intelligent, hmm?
Cyndi Burke you said it cyndie, i didnt.
James DeSimone Actually, you -DID- say that you were an idiot when you opened your mouth to judge these individuals. Let me remind you of something you missed in Sunday School: Mat 7:1-5 "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye ; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." You, sir, are guilty of the sin of ignorance and have broken the teachings of Jesus Christ. Was it not He that said "love thy neighbor"? Gay or not, they are your neighbor, and it is by no means your place to judge them or treat them as lesser people.
Then why did god create them that way? Actually you are wrong because the only thing that Christ called an abomination is "the worship of money"
Cyndi Burke its not my intention to argue with anyone assuming i am a Christian. i said God, i never mentioned jesus. i never judged anyone, infact i used the word feel sorry for them. GOD WILL DO THE JUDGING and HE is NOT fair…
James – you unfortunately do not know the God of which you talk. God does not find them an abomination. Their sin, yes, but the person – God loves them and wants to have them be with him for eternity. It is just the sin that separates them, as it does all of us until we accept Jesus' Grace and forgiveness for our sins.
James DeSimone God created homosexuals to test the faithful? That seems a little cynical don't you think? God would actually create a human life for nothing more than to see how really faithful some other people were?
You're an abomination to a civilized society, James.
You're an abomination to a civilized society, James.
You're an abomination to a civilized society, James.
You're an abomination to a civilized society, James.
You're an abomination to a civilized society, James.
Sally Paxton No, God doesn't do that. James is a little off on what the truth is, about God.
Sally Paxton No, God doesn't do that. James is a little off on what the truth is, about God.
Sally Paxton No, God doesn't do that. James is a little off on what the truth is, about God.
Sally Paxton No, God doesn't do that. James is a little off on what the truth is, about God.
Sally Paxton No, God doesn't do that. James is a little off on what the truth is, about God.
Sally Paxton No, God doesn't do that. James is a little off on what the truth is, about God.
Sally Paxton No, God doesn't do that. James is a little off on what the truth is, about God.
Sally Paxton No, God doesn't do that. James is a little off on what the truth is, about God.
Sally Paxton No, God doesn't do that. James is a little off on what the truth is, about God.
Sally Paxton No, God doesn't do that. James is a little off on what the truth is, about God.
Luke Owens same reason he created blood suckers, leeches, viruses, lice, bedbugs, pond scum and all the other vermin and vile creatures; to give those of us who believe in and love Him a reason to look forward to an eternity without them OR YOU.
David Nuland there is no love in your philosophy, it is hateful and is rightfully scorned.
James DeSimone <snort> oh, that's rich. Is that kind of like all those dinosaur fossils as well? Testing the faithful?
No, I feel bad for you.
to all of you homosexuals: why is it that you, the people whom God considers abominations are the mot hated people on the face of the earth? without God, the devil reigns. its not my job to judge you, God himself will do that. you all talk like your opinion matters. all your chicken shit arguments wont matter when you face the almighty and try to explain away yourself. there is good and there is evil and you, the homosexual is evil. if you want to argue, argue with God. he says you are an abomination. as a normal person believing in God i choose to not embrace, accept or tolerate you but rather to treat you like the devils advocates and the enemy that you are. remember, homosexuality is the disease and aids is the cure…
David Nuland David – to what God to you aspire? It is not the God of the Bible, of Jesus Christ – because that kind of talk is not anything like the love that Jesus showed for the Prostitute, the tax collector, the sinner on the cross, the downtrodden and hungry, the disabled and diseased. Even the pharisees and Saducees he spoke against was not as vile as what you just typed. I have a feeling you are someone trying to give Christians a bad name on purpose. I am saddened by you and your post.
David Nuland I guess I do want preferential treatment. You know to be treated like a human and not a leech, virus or pond scum. Are you sure you know who JC is, or are you just pretending to fit in with society?
David Nuland "same reason he created blood suckers, leeches, viruses, lice, bedbugs, pond scum and all the other vermin and vile creatures; to give those of us who believe in and love Him a reason to look forward to an eternity without them OR YOU."
Is that what you call being Christ like? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Jesus hang out with what the Jewish leaders considered vile creatures?
Luke Owens, we were created in God's image so we could fellowship with him. Then we practically spat in his face when Adam and Eve sinned, so he said we will suffer. And anything against the natural procreation of Man+Woman is an abomination in God's eyes. I know homosexuals who have come out of their filthy lifestyle, but they're few and far in-between. God loves everyone, but those who spit in his face might have some explaining to do one day before His throne.
Kelsey Morgese You certainly seem to think you know exactly what god wants or thinks. I think that is the height of hubris.
David Nuland you are seriously one confused sad excuse for life. I feel really bad for that child in your arms.
Kelsey Morgese please do us all a favour. Go to Church and stay there. If you can't live in the real world, or don't want to, don't! You may be in a hurry to be at the foot of his throne, but the rest of us are just trying to get along here on planet earth.
Travis Wickline I agree Travis. How does anyone know what god wants or thinks? Okay, that's easy, we can go to the scriptures. Which one, there is the King James, the Koran, the Torah, the Book of Mormon, Dianetics. Okay, we pick one, but which interpretation do we follow? No one on Earth knows which one is true, if any.
Shane Porter Exactly. Many BELIEVE they know, but NONE KNOW.
I'm sorry, where's the love?
Shane Porter Shane. yes you can know. Only one came into existence in this world, with pre-foretold prophecies, fulfilled each one, was seen by many after he had been killed and was alive again. History and archeological finds have never once proven against the scriptures, but have proven them accurate so far. That places the one true God above all the other wanna-be's….
Shane Porter Shane. yes you can know. Only one came into existence in this world, with pre-foretold prophecies, fulfilled each one, was seen by many after he had been killed and was alive again. History and archeological finds have never once proven against the scriptures, but have proven them accurate so far. That places the one true God above all the other wanna-be's….
Shane Porter Plus, he says test me and know. But when you test, you have got to really determine that if He fulfills your test, you will accept him and change your life to what he desires. If you do not test that way, then you will not see/get what you are asking for – to know the one true God.
Douglas Brininstool I have been testing. The more I test, the more I see that nothing is conclusive. The more I test the doubts I have of my upbringing in church, the more doubts I have.
Douglas Brininstool And Christ never said anything about homosexuality and in fact may have even approved in the centurion and his "servant"
Shane Porter I would be interested in those tests, and to pray along with you when you truly seek an answer, if that is what you are truly doing. If your desire to test is to test him wrong, or to test him right? I had prayed for one of my gay friends who was going in for a medical issuee. She asked me to pray for her, and I asked if I could get some of my prayer partners to do so as well. She said sure. I sent them an e-mail with very specific prayer requests and desired answers. A week later she came back to me and started telling me about her appt and results. I started giggling. She asked why, and so I showed her the typed out and e-mailed prayer request I made for her. Every single item on it was covered exactly as prayed for, and these were very specific items. Could never have been due to chance. It changed her life. This has happened more than once. But it is all determined in how you go about it.
James Desimone, don't feel bad for us. Those of us who aren't living in the closet anymore, those of us who are pride of who we are in all areas of our lives, we feel blessed by God and we are as certain as you of his Grace. If anything, we should feel sorry for you and those like you, for being so self-righteous, lost and blind. Remember, "none so blind as those who will not see."
Douglas Brininstool A friend of mine shot himself this week. He was taken to the hospital. I went to his family's house to help out where I could. His family are devout Christians, and prayed for him. Their church prayed for him. I will be attending his funeral tomorrow. I was hoping for one of those life changing events, for my friend and for me. I wanted to witness a miracle, but that miracle never came. My friend is gone forever, and I have more doubts than ever
Douglas Brininstool A friend of mine shot himself this week. He was taken to the hospital. I went to his family's house to help out where I could. His family are devout Christians, and prayed for him. Their church prayed for him. I will be attending his funeral tomorrow. I was hoping for one of those life changing events, for my friend and for me. I wanted to witness a miracle, but that miracle never came. My friend is gone forever, and I have more doubts than ever
Shane Porter I am so sorry Shane. It is a tragedy for sure. I lost a friend and his daughter just a couple months ago, due to a messy divorce he and his ex went through. Made no sense what happened. I cannot speak for God as to why He allowed your friend to still die after the prayers offered. We only see a small part of the whole picture, but there may be more reasons beyond what we can see, that might have made passing supercede the miraculous healing – we won't know for sure until later. What we can do is pray that God's will would come out of this senseless tragedy, that some healing and grace and mercy would come out of it as well, and that somehow, those who are seeking answers, are confused or hurt or angry with the situation might be able to see and understand some of God's reasonings as to why the result was the result it was. One thing to also note is that after one's heart has been hardened against God, and rejection of the Holy Spirit occurs, that then answers to prayers are not as forthcoming. But that doesn't mean God won't work through others on yours or someone elses behalf. I don't mean any of this as condescending, but that I would like to help if you desire. But above all, please accept my sorrow for this situation.
Douglas Brininstool Thank you for that. I wish more people would exhibit your kindness.
Shane Porter I hope that other "Christians" would see some of the posts on here and realize that all people are created in God's image, that He loves each and every one of us. His beef is on "sin", not the person. Also that each and everyone of us sins and falls short/fails God's litmus test for "goodness", and that is why He sent Jesus, to still provide a way for us to get there.
Shane – it is a pleasure to have a good, reasonable talk. I could see us sitting in a bar having a beer and talking. Thank you, and if you do want me to join you in prayer for some answers , email me – you can find my address on my FB Profile. My name isn't too hard to find…lol Have a great night!
To test the faithful? It would appear he was busy testing your will power as a glutton… and you failed. You sir are the abomination. Stop blaming Jesus and the bible for your own misguided hatred. It truly is an old and tired storyline.
James DeSimone horsefeathers. The Bible says that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are essentially one and the same…stop trying to separate them. And how is God not fair in His judgment? That is silly on its face. I'd quote Isaiah 45:21.
Proverbs 6 shares the things that God hates, and homosexuals are not among them.
Luke Owens It is not given to us to know Gods Plan…His thoughts are so far beyond the thoughts of man as to be unfathomable…The time will come when all will be made clear to us but until then, the God who created you wants your Faith and your obedience to trust him to do what is Righteous…..Consider this, it was an eye opener for me.
We all have Fathers, some are good Dads and Others abusive, all are Human, but your father, while he supplied the genetic material to create a Human Body, YOURS…He did not Birth your Spirit which was Given unto your body by your Heavenly Father, Your TRUE FATHER. As much as most biological fathers love their children, Gods love for all of his children is so far beyond the human body can not contain it…So, if you loved your Dad, How much more should you love the father who can give you Eternal Life, And WANTS TO…
Luke Owens
God did not creat you you devoloped this deviancy through a few different ways and honest people know it you were probably abuse but you will not admit it. or raised with a dominant female enfluence and lack of a proper male role model in your life
so "your" God makes mistakes?… just like you i guess!
James was created to test the strength of polyester waist bands.
Leo Monteiro are you a homosexual pictures with a child?
Leo Monteiro are you a homosexual pictures with a child?
Mel Maguire God is not fair in his judgment because there is a right and a wrong way. there is good and evil. so the evil thinks God is not fair when judgement day comes. and evil consists of every single one of you attempting to argue away that homosexuals are not an abomination to mankind, society and God himself.
James DeSimone ….Excellent post! I will remember that…."GOD IS NOT FAIR"… and so true.
Les Redmon NO Wes, to those that do not obey him, God is not fair. God is not forgiving nor is he understanding. you either do it his way or go to hell. and THAT is what you need to remember Wes,,,
Cyndi Burke HAHAHAHAHAH that is funny… FAIL
can we make a copy of that page, distribute it on the internet and print it out so a BILLION people in the USA can tear it up the same time they tear it out of the yearbook at graduation?
James DeSimone ..You misunderstand, I agree with you. God is not fair. It's His way or the highway. That is very clear from the Scriptures. The sexual deviants can believe the lie of their lives, the universities, the schools, hollywood, the media as much as they wish but it still ….a big fat juicey…lie.
Luke Owens
God never created sodomy. The Devil goes about like a roaring lion, looking for people to destroy. So I think it you must attach blame or responsibility for your situation on someone else maybe it could be him! Since he is the champion of death and the father of lies, he is probably closer to your lifestyle than mine!
And its not an intellectual dead end to oppose sodomy! It is the obvious opinion when the evidence is weighed.
James DeSimone James – God is not forgiving nor understanding? Have you even read the scriptures? He came in the human form as Jesus Christ, setting aside His divine rights and powers to live as a human, to do no sin, to die with all our sins upon him, to rise again to life so that our sins will have no hold nor power over us, so that we could come to Him and partake of His banquet in Heaven. Through the act of Jesus Christ's death and resurrection, we are forgiven of our sins, if we accept His grace, and he has patience and understanding and forgives over and over, when we confess and ask for His forgiveness. He turned away and did not wipe out Ninevah when they repented from Jonah's ministering to them about their sin and God's hatred of it. The Bible is repleat with God's forgivenss, love, understanding, hatred of sin, love of the person. Sorry, but you are wrong.
Sally Paxton I once knew a gay man who had the voice of an angel. I believe heaven itself stopped while he sang. Sadly he died. There is no way that God created such beauty just to test the bigots and narrow-minded. When he sang you felt God's pressence.
To those who are so sure, I say you do not know the mind of God – you only know what he/she has shown you so far. Make sure that you are ok with God before you start judging anyone else.
Donna Franczak .."There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death."
You might want to pick up the Bible and read a little closer to understand what you think you know. He is not "fair". It's His way or the highway. He does not accept or excuse sexual perversions, among other things.
Donna Franczak …." "This homosexual advocate now admits what we've known for years. Homosexuals are pedophiles who abuse and rape children; which they must do to maintain their available pool of future sex partners."
http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=9797
Those who eat unclean animals (pigs, certain types of fish) are ALSO an abomination. A man that sleeps with his wife while she is on her menstrual cycle is also an abomination. A man who sits on furniture that a woman on her menstrual cycle is impure and needs to do purity rituals. Oh and let us not forget that women who can not have children are cursed in the Bible but yet we all know women who can not bear children. A sin can be forgiven, a curse can not. Yet you only focus on the one sin of homosexuality. Have you ever read the bible actually in context? If you did, you would see that the ONLY reason the Bible condemns homosexuality is NOT because of love between two people, but rather it is condemned when it is done as pagan practice (the practices of "The Nations") and it is condemned as a way to ensure that the Hebrew people do not do as "the Nations" do. IF it were a sin to love another person, then David and Jonathan would have been sinners– they loved each other "more than any woman" and when one died, the other tore his clothing in the same spot and manner that a wife does when her husband dies. And they made a COVENANT before God to each other. That sure sounds like what heterosexuals do at a wedding.. So the Bible actually has a male/male relationship in it. So the Bible does not condemn gay relationships– it only condemns the act of anal intercourse (which, by the way, is in the midst of the laws prohibiting blood– so scholars feel that it is only forbidden due to the fact that it could cause blood).. EDUCATE YOURSELF ABOUT THE BIBLE BEFORE YOU USE IT TO SPREAD HATE.
Matthew Carpenter Thank you for the history lesson. I am a Christian and I follow the teachings of Christ. I try to practice justice, tolerance, patience, and love – according to his words and commandments. I find that I have enough to do just keeping my life in line, I have no time to try to tell others how to live. Frankly, that is between them and God- and I am sure that God does not want me (or anyone else) doing his/her job.
Les Redmon you will not convince me with an article by a radical wacko. Do some research on him, or will you believe it, no matter what, because it supports what you believe?
Les Redmon. Don't know exactly what you believe, but as a Christian I know there is only one way to be saved – and that is through belief in Jesus Christ. This is not for you to pass judgement on. That is only for God.
Donna Franczak Thank you for stating that– I was beginning to worry that no TRUE Christians still existed, but you are right– the teachings of Christ teach justice, tolerance, patience and love. I have utmost respect for you due to your true understanding of what He was teaching. Far too often people (Les in this case) put their own interpretations on Scripture and miss the true meaning.
Matthew Carpenter Thank you. If only Les and others would remember the Great Commission – to make disciples of all nations. Hard to do when you are chasing them away. On Judgement Day he may find himself in as much trouble as the people he condemns here on earth when he tries to explain why he drove God's children away.
Matthew Carpenter Thank you. If only Les and others would remember the Great Commission – to make disciples of all nations. Hard to do when you are chasing them away. On Judgement Day he may find himself in as much trouble as the people he condemns here on earth when he tries to explain why he drove God's children away.
Sally Paxton yes, actually God does create those that he knows will never go to heaven. So, Douglas you are wrong too. There are those that God knows before they are even born will end up in hell. Part of what James said is true.
Donna Franczak your statement in part makes you a hypocrite. I am sure there are people you wouldn't allow your children to be around or associate with, which in turns means you have passed judgement on them. You may not judge them as worthy for heaven or hell (which is what God really means in passing judgement it is only for him), but you are passing judgement about having your children or yourself exposed to them and their evil behavior.
Heywood Jablueme. First, I have never claimed to be perfect. Second, do not presume to tell me how I raised my son and who he associated with – you would be wrong.
Heywood Jablueme This has been bothering me and I must address it. One job of a mother is to keep her children safe – so absolutely there are people and places that I kept my son away from. If you say I kept my son from people based solely on sex, race, sexual orientation, economic background, or religious beliefs – you would be wrong. If you say I kept him from unsafe people and places you would be right – that is my job. I do not decide a persons worthiness for heaven – and I never made that claim. It is a poor arguement when you bring a persons children into it, and then criticize without knowledge of what you are talking about. Tell me why a parent woud deliberately and knowingly expose their child to evil?
Donna Franczak sure sure you let him hang out with gangbangers and druggies. Judgmental hypocrite! No, it is a "true" argument because you know right from wrong and know your children lack wisdom and insight. I am sure you'd be so happy to let your son hang out with Islamic radicals (religion), pedophiles(sexual orientation), or career criminals(mafia types aka economic choice background)…You see if you wouldn't let your child hang out with those and be influenced and indoctrinated by them then in the end it "really isn't ok" and morally right in your mind. Most so called pro-homosexual staight people are ok with homosexuals up to the point where you ask them, "so, guess you have no problem with your young son going down the street and hanging out at the two older male homosexual's house" then all the sudden it isn't so ok anymore (and you find the homosexual behavior evil, unnatural and deviant). Hypocrite!
Heywood Jablueme I am truly sorry that your experience with parents has been so devastating that this is what you feel they should do. Children should be cherished and protected until they are old enough to make their own choices. If this is the life your parents made you live then your anger is understandable. But that does not mean that I am wrong for protecting him from rapists, pedophiles, etc… but the gay man down the street, well that is family and my son couldn't have been safer. Why to you think being homosexual equals deviance and evil? Some maybe, but every group has its bad eggs. I look at the individual. Perhaps you should also. There are a lot more good than bad, but if all you look for is the bad, then that is all you will find.
Heywood Jablueme I disagree with you about God creating people he knows will go to Hell and here is why: God created Adam so that Adam could be in a Holy relationship with God– get to know God, and to follow Him. Eve was created to give Adam a companion on Earth. God creates people so that they can all have relationships with Him, or at least so that they can choose to have relationships with Him. Therefore every person has a purpose and every person has a chance to get to know God. So God would not create people that had no purpose, who He knew would not want to Fellowship with Him. So therefore God would not create people who were destined to Hell from the day they were created. Just my opinion.
Heywood Jablueme your words are not only unkind but very rude and obnoxious. First, let me correct you on something: Pedophilia is NOT a sexual orientation. And Homosexuality does not equal pedophilia, because if it did, then heterosexuality would also equal pedophilia since the vast majority of sexual abuse of minors is committed by heterosexual males. Now as to your statements about Donna as a parent: What is wrong with letting a child hang out with someone of Islamic Faith? I myself have numerous friends who are Muslim. I am gay, and have spent most of my adult life working in the field of child care (and have been a nanny for families who are Christian, Muslim and even Hindi)– never once have I done anything or even been accused of doing anything inappropriate or "indoctrinating"– and by the way, I follow the Jewish religion. So what is wrong with people of different religions or backgrounds or orientations being around children other than those exactly like themselves? Wasn't it Hitler who wanted only to be around people of his own kind? And we see how horrible that turned out.. Diversity is a wonderful thing– so get your head out of the 1940's and jump into this century…
Matthew Carpenter Well said Matthew. I was unsure why he even brought my son into the conversation, and then to tell me I was doing it wrong without any knowledge, I was at a lose on how to reply. As a man who has raised and/or been responsible for children, you know that you check where the child is going and who he/she is going with. I would not let my child go with an unknown homosexual – just to prove that I am not a bigot – any more than I would let him go with an unknown black person or Islamic person – just to prove I am not a racist. I also never let him go with an unknown white, heterosexual – just because they looked like me. A parent/guardian checks before they trust their children to anyone. I have never stopped him from going with a "known" person based on orientation, race or religion. Not quite sure why I was labeled a hypocrite. I believe Mr. Jablueme wants me to say that I wouldn't trust my son to the care of a homosexual – but that would indeed make me a hypocrite – since I have. By his words I cannot tell if he is baiting me or if he himself hates homosexuals. You are right though – diversity is what puts color into monochrome world.
why are all the christians so hateful? i thought your book was of love? why do they love to hate so much? and they are the biiggest supporters of war!! why do you feel the need to make everyone do as you do? abortion, gay issues and religion in government… you feel the need to infect the masses with your poison… keep your god to yourself!!! and as for me i seem to believe only in the tooth fairy, put a tooth under the pillow and get a buck!!! more than i ever got from a god…
Herb Budman Your first mistake is to assume this is a Christian thing. This is a GOD thing. To HIM you are an abomination. Who ever said the bible is peaceful obviously never read it. GOD will smite all you homosexual supporters. Jesus came NOT to bring peace, but the sword which will divide good from evil. And according to HIS Father GOD, homosexuals are worse than evil, they are an abomination. You want to mess with GOD, go ahead, soon you will have your chance… Your days are numbered here and when they are finished and you kneel before HIM you can spit in HIS eyes…
James DeSimone im still going with the tooth fairy much more peaceful and less violent than your god… does all the hate you hold in you ever start to feel real heavy? or does your god help carry the weight? and i have nothing to worry about, i dont hurt others so if there was a god he'd like me!!!
Herb Budman actually other than a normal inert biological impulse for a normal person to loathe a homosexual, there is no hate. however, its a proven fact that homosexuals are the most loathe forms of human on earth and since the beginning of time. The real thing is that they suffer here on earth and I am trying to make them aware of their choices and consequences which will lead to their suffering in hell for eternity. And they/you laugh at and mock me as if they/you know there is no right or wrong and no good or evil.
James DeSimone: Interestingly enough, homosexuality is a sin in the Bible, right? Well, women who do not produce children (barren) are "cursed" in the Bible– A sin can be forgiven, a curse is forever… So why not go condemn those women who, no matter how much they try, can not bear children? I can be forgiven, they can not be "uncursed" without some massive miracle.
Matthew Carpenter what idiot started the idea that homoness is a sin? its not a sin. its an abomination. grace is not a license to sin again. and yes, homosexuals are cursed with being loathe by everyone except themselves and devils advocates. And matthew, you are out there. And with out God to fulfill you, you are full of yourself…
Donna Franczak I believe both– he was baiting you and he hates homosexuals. I myself have not allowed "my child" (the one I raised for 8 years) go with or even be around certain people, but not based on orientation or race or religion– but based on the fact that I did not trust them around the child. One was gay and was drunk half the time, I did not want my child to be around that. The other was heterosexual, and that guy had been in trouble with the law 20 years earlier but refused to tell myself and anyone else what for and all that I knew about it was that it involved a child. I do not know if it was abuse or allegations or what.. the guy was very "mysterious" about what trouble he had been in.. Although the trip would have been supervised (it was a close friend's relative and the close friend wanted to take the child on a trip but that relative was also going). I said no. I just did not feel comfortable with that person. And that is acceptable. (Lost the friendship over it, by the way– but that is okay, at least the child was safe– that is the only thing that mattered). Anyway, I am certain, Donna, that you are a good parent. There is no doubt in my mind– so let the troll bait all he wants– he is not going to get what he wants
James DeSimone. Thank you for clarifying that this is not a Christian thing. This is so far from Christ's teachings that I don't even recognize the Jesus you worship. I worship the lamb of God and the Prince of Peace. He preached to turn the other cheek and to love your neighbor. No swords, no smiting. He does not hate, and he never spoke of one group being worse than another. ALL HAVE SINNED. I do not know what Bible you read to get all this hatred, but I would double check the author. Make sure you got the version inspired by God and not Genghis Kahn
James DeSimone you are right– man "lying with man as he lies with woman" (which indicates intercourse only) is an abomination. However, so is Deuteronomy 27:15 "'Cursed be the man who makes a graven or molten image, an abomination to the LORD, a thing made by the hands of a craftsman, and sets it up in secret.'" (in case you didn't know, "graven image" is carved image– and what do many churches have in them? Carved (or plaster) statues and images of Jesus. Hmm.. Abomination.. Divorce Deuteronomy 24:1-4 another abomination if the woman remarries. YOU are an abomination: Proverbs 16:5 "Every one who is arrogant is an abomination to the LORD; be assured, he will not go unpunished." Not following ALL of the the law (law of the land or laws of in the first five books of the Bible) another abomination: Proverbs 28:9 "If one turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer is an abomination." Do you follow ALL of the law God gave or pick and choose? You scoff at what I say? Another abomination: "Proverbs 24:9 The devising of folly is sin, and the scoffer is an abomination to men." There are MANY MANY more– so it is clear that you too are an abomination yet you only focus on gays– I think Jesus wanted us to focus on ourselves and do all we can to follow the law God set down for us, rather than to focus on pointing out the flaws of others..
Matthew Carpenter I sincerely wish that all of your hard work would help Mr. DeSimone to at least question his beliefs, but I do not believe that these are the words that will do it. He has perverted our peaceful savior into a sword-wielding demon of vengence. I'm afraid that if Jesus himself sat down next to him – Mr. DeSimone would call him a pansy and run him off, or worse – just as 2000 years ago, God's chosen people did not recognize the gentle and loving Jesus as the Messiah, because they were waiting for a conquering king and not a prince of peace. (please correct me if I am wrong about that – history is vague – just an observation from various books and documentaries) Apparently Jesus is too meek and mild to fit into his vision of who a savior of the world is. What really upsets me is that people who read his responses may actually believe that it is the Christian belief – when nothing could be further from the truth.
Matthew Carpenter – Matthew Carpenter I sincerely wish that all of your hard work would help Mr. DeSimone to at least question his beliefs, but I do not believe that these are the words that will do it. He has perverted our peaceful savior into a sword-wielding demon of vengence. I'm afraid that if Jesus himself sat down next to him – Mr. DeSimone would call him a pansy and run him off, or worse. Apparently Jesus is too meek and mild to fit into his vision of who a savior of the world is. What really upsets me is that people who read his responses may actually believe that it is the Christian belief – when nothing could be further from the truth.
"the most important thing you can do in your life is to not interfere in someone elses."….. frank zappa
"the most important thing you can do in your life is to not interfere in someone elses."….. frank zappa
Who the heck is "Shaw" mentioned twice in this article?
There is no scientific evidence that homosexuality is genetic–born that way. The "gay" gene has been sought for many years but not found. Circumstances surrounding individuals lives can influence homosexuality. There should not be a yearbook page simply to express ones sexuality. This defeats the purpose of just accepting people, not labels. I would think the homosexual community would be outraged that this person would be singled out because of his homosexuality.
homosexuals don't like being singled out because of their homosexuality. they only like being singled out because of their sexuality. I know it is confusing. they don't want different treatment just preferential treatment.
homosexuals don't like being singled out because of their homosexuality. they only like being singled out because of their sexuality. I know it is confusing. they don't want different treatment just preferential treatment.
homosexuals don't like being singled out because of their homosexuality. they only like being singled out because of their sexuality. I know it is confusing. they don't want different treatment just preferential treatment.
David Nuland False. I only want equal protection under the law and to not be beaten, ostracized, put down or treated like a second class citizen.
Travis Wickline – so you want to dictate other people's thoughts and morality. You already have equal protection under the law and anyone who beats you up can be cited for assault, just like if I get beaten up. The reason doesn't matter. It's illegal.
As far as being ostracized and put down – everyone else has a right to free speech and freedom orf association and the more fascist the LGBT makes their BS claims the worse it's going to be. If you want to be a homo that's your right, but my right is I don't have to associate or even be polite to you when you're declaring such repulsive behavior. You can't FORCE people to like or aapprove of your lifestyle. Deal with it. No one is born gay.
Youre right, a gay gene hasn't been found. This doesn't mean that one doesn't exist. Further, it may not be a single gene that makes one gay; it may be a combination of genes. It may not be genetic at all. Of course, homophobes have a vested interest in such a gene or genes not being found. The world would come crashing down if we really had proof that God actually did really make them that way.
David Nuland. You're an idiot. As a general rule gays don't want to be singled out at all. They want the same rights as everyone else, nothing more, nothing less. Beyond that they just want to be left alone.
For example, my partner and I have been together for thirteen years–far longer than many so called straight marriages. Yet we are denied all the privileges that are allowed to sham marriages between straight couples. Such as we sure could use the tax deductions allowed to married couoles. But since we aren't eligible because we aren't able to get married, we get to pay a hell of a lot more in taxes than those a straight married couple would be faced with.
David Nuland Yes we do not want preferential treatment. we only wish to be treated fairly and have the the rights that everyone else is allowed to have. and to not be hated just because of who we love and want to spend the rest of our lives with.
David Nuland. What Travis said. We don't want to be singled out at all. We want to be treated the same, with the same rights and privileges as other folk, and after that all most of us want is to be left alone.
Here's an example, because my partner of thirteen years cant get legally married, even though we have much stronger and more enduring spiritual marriage than many straight folk, we are denied tax benefits and inheritance benefits that these sham marriages get. We sure could use the money that "filing as married" status would save us.
Travis Wickline then stop meatshankin dudes…
I truly wish people would stop talking about genetics when they have no idea what they're talking about. Do you know how many different genetic factors are contained within chromosomes? Do you know that reducing it to 'no gay gene' is so absurdly fallacious?
Zach Rosenberg Absolutely–there is no gay gene–but circumstances in ones life can influence homosexuality–many different factors.
Ben King Being "treated fairly" can include trampling on the rights of others as well. For example, some in the gay community would like to see laws enacted that would force everyone , regardless of religious conscience to agree with and accept the gay lifestyle. This is where some heated disagreement comes into play. I know by your post you would not agree with this because you would want others to be treated fairly and not hated because of their beliefs and I appreciate that.
Travis Wickline No one should beaten, ostracized put down or treated like a second class citizen–something Dan Savage could learn.
Travis Wickline No one should beaten, ostracized put down or treated like a second class citizen–something Dan Savage could learn.
Exactly. The "gay gene" myth has been around since at least 1991. In more than 20 years, in spite of the human genome being completely mapped, no one today can tell anyone where this gay gene is. There is no CSI team in the world that can look at a dead body and tell, via some sort of DNA test, whether the person was "gay" or heterosexual.
This was the Move of an Activist, I doubt the individual would have considered being singled out unless encouraged by an Activist to make this social Political statement….A teacher is in a position to exert great influence over a young mind, particularly a young one that looks up to his/her teacher. NO, this was the Conscious act of an Adult who knew exactly what he was doing. He may not have written the piece, but he may have encouraged it and he Certainly allowed it to be published and in the process overlooked other students Rights.
Ben King
You already have the same right as everyone else. We have the right to tell you that you are engaging in deviant and unsafe conduct. there are laws already that protect you from crime just like they protect me and anyone else as much as a law can. We must help protect our self. I do not hate you but you are wrong and engage in deviant and perverse conduct that will most likely shorten your life through illness. I would defend you from assault or ill treatment but you do not have the right to silence me and never will
Travis Wickline Then DO not cast yourself as a "second class citizen"!
David Nuland Just the same treatments that you get, David. Nothing more, nothing less.
Robert Vreugde Homosexuality is a gift from God.
Robert Vreugde Homosexuality is a gift from God.
Robert Vreugde Homosexuality is a gift from God.
Loyd VanSandt So conform or be beaten? Yeah, that sounds like the land of the free to me…
David Nuland No they want equality.
Jl Hamilton No, we don't. We cannot freely marry whom we choose as life partners, we are not entitled to the same tax benefits, medical benefits, and insurances that are afforded married people. We don not have the same protections when it comes to passing our estate on to our partners as married people do. At this point, we can still be fired or evicted for being gay. We do not have the same rights as a legal spouse when it comes to hospital visitations, or end of life decisions. If we are in a committed relationship but not married, and one of us dies, then the person's biological family has precedent over the remaining partner. In short, we do NOT have the same rights as everyone else which is why we are struggling and pushing to get those protections.
You can have your opinions about the way we live and that's fine, you just don't have the right to subjugate us for those opinions. I would also venture to say that the vast majority of the people in America are engaged in conduct that is unsafe and harmful. (Eating fast food, drinking, smoking, women wearing heels – yes it is harmful, speeding, etc.) So, I think your point is moot.
Travis Wickline Travis You are correct in saying I would edit "some" people engage in conduct that is unsafe and harmful but not to the devastating effects the gay community suffers.
Did you know that according to a recent CDC(Centers for Disease Control) study MSM(men having sex with men) account for nearly half of the approximately 1.2 million people living with HIV in the United States (49%, or an estimated 580,000 total persons).
MSM account for more than half of all new HIV infections in the United States each year (61%, or an estimated 29,300 infections).
While CDC estimates that only 4 percent of men in the United States are MSM, the rate of new HIV diagnoses among MSM in the United States is more than 44 times that of other men (range: 522 – 989 per 100,000 MSM vs. 12 per 100,000 other men). Travis–read that last statistic-only -4 %of men are homosexual but are diagnosed at 44 times for HIV. If you love your partner or friends, you would stop the behavior that is so harmful. Same goes for the heterosexual community with multiple partners–it is not love at all to engage in behavior that is not only harmful to oneself but to partners. Even a monogamous homosexual relationship has devastating physical consequences because of obvious behaviors not consistent with the biological make up of the human body—this is not so in heterosexual relationships.
Jeannine Howard Please explain how " Even a monogamous homosexual relationship has devastating physical consequences because of obvious behaviors not consistent with the biological make up of the human body—this is not so in heterosexual relationships. "
I can only assume you are referring to anal sex? If so, gay people aren't the only ones that engage in that. They are also not the only ones that engage in oral sex. To say otherwise is naive.
STD's have been around for thousands of years. Gay or straight. But regardless, it is my life and no one else on this planet gets to tell me how to live my life so long as I do not harm another person.
If heterosexual relationships are so stable then why are nearly 50% of them ending in divorce?
Jeannine Howard Please explain how " Even a monogamous homosexual relationship has devastating physical consequences because of obvious behaviors not consistent with the biological make up of the human body—this is not so in heterosexual relationships. "
I can only assume you are referring to anal sex? If so, gay people aren't the only ones that engage in that. They are also not the only ones that engage in oral sex. To say otherwise is naive.
STD's have been around for thousands of years. Gay or straight. But regardless, it is my life and no one else on this planet gets to tell me how to live my life so long as I do not harm another person.
If heterosexual relationships are so stable then why are nearly 50% of them ending in divorce?
Travis Wickline You are absolutely correct in saying heterosexual relationships are not stable–this is a different issue. Anal intercourse for anyone is harmful to anyone's body–human bodies were not made for such a use. Some heterosexuals practice this form of sex but most, if not all homosexuals do. You are also correct about STD's being around for thousands of years, gay or straight. However because of advances in scientific research, we also know certain behaviors such as multiple partners, gay or straight, almost always result in some kind of STD. We also know gay or straight that anal sex or oral-anal sex results in diseases rare if not unknown in heterosexual penis to vaginal sex. The end result is that the fragility of the anus and rectum, along with the immunosuppressive effect of ejaculate, make anal-genital intercourse a most efficient manner of transmitting HIV and other infections. and other infections. The list of diseases found with extraordinary frequency among male active homosexuals as a result of anal intercourse is alarming:
Anal Cancer
Chlamydia trachomatis
Cryptosporidium
Giardia lamblia
Herpes simplex virus
Human immunodeficiency virus
Human papilloma virus
Isospora belli
Microsporidia
Gonorrhea
Viral hepatitis types B & C
Syphilis Sexual transmission of some of these diseases is so rare in the exclusively heterosexual population as to be virtually unknown. Others, while found among heterosexual and homosexual practitioners, are clearly predominated by those involved in homosexual activity. Syphilis, for example is found among heterosexual and homosexual practitioners. But 85 percent of syphilis cases are among self-identified homosexual practitioners. Syphilis among homosexual men is now at epidemic levels in San Francisco. Travis–by your behavior you are harming yourself and others. If you love your partner, you will research yourself and put your partners health above your desires and educate your partner as well, This goes for heterosexuals as well but as mentioned above, there is a huge disparity between the amount of disease in homosexuals and heterosexuals keeping in mind homosexuals are only 4% of the U.S. population. I have documentation on all the statistics if you want them. The CDC site is a great source of accurate information. They have no agenda to answer to.
Jeannine Howard It is non of your business what people do and it is none of the governments business what they do, but it is there business to make sure everyone is treated with Equality under the Law.
Jeannine Howard The point is moot. It's my life and no one has the right to ell me how to live it, even if I am doing something that is detrimental to my well being.
Travis Wickline Travis – then how come the supreme court ruled that it is okay for govt to tell me that I have to wear a seat belt? It was determined that if I took this risk, I could end up in a hospital and potentially cost the american public an exhorbitant amount of money for medical care for my life as an invalid if I crashed and lived…. That was the basic reasoning behind the laws. So, certain unhealthy activities can be regulated and ruled against, and you can be told that you cannot do them. Social law has not gotten to that point yet with homosexual behavior, but that doesn't make your comment any less potentially wrong.
Travis Wickline Travis, the occurrence of disease in the homosexual community may very well hinder your fight for "equality". The CDC can call a quarantine on diseased persons. Read the May 6, 2012 Huffpost Gay Voices–article about complacency regarding responsible sex in the gay community. The article states," HIV is no longer a death sentence; it's a "manageable condition. And the number of gay men practicing unsafe sex, out of recklessness, complacency, or even deliberate self-injury, continues to grow." Travis, it is not only your life. Your behavior not only effects you, but everyone you are with then in turn everyone they are with. Then there is the World Health Organization who states that the TB-HIV(Tuberculosis) co-infection crisis(with HIV) is twice as big as previously thought. In 2007, there were at least 1.37 million cases of HIV-positive TB—or nearly 15 percent of the total incident cases. That's double the previous WHO estimates. Now, virulent new drug-resistant strains of TB are on the rise across the globe. HIV-positive patients are highly vulnerable to TB, because of their weakened immune systems, and tuberculosis is now the No. 1 killer of people with HIV. TB is spread through the air from one person to another when a person with active TB disease of the lungs or throat coughs, sneezes, speaks, or sings. People nearby may breathe in these bacteria and become infected. Again Travis, this does not just concern you–it concerns all of us. Remember,While CDC estimates that only 4 percent of men in the United States are MSM(men having sex with men), the rate of new HIV diagnoses among MSM in the United States is more than 44 times that of other men. The behavior patterns of each person has consequences–that can be devastating to society as a whole.
Jeannine Howard Are you intelligent enough to do anything other then copy/paste?
Travis Wickline Then stop butthumping your boyfriend.
Gary Trotman – Gary – why the hate and vileness? You are no help at all, and are a part of the problem. Show some compassion for the person, while not agreeing with the sin. You sir are everybit as much the sinner as I am, or as any of the folks on here supporting homosexuality. May God's grace and forgiveness wash over you.
Gary Trotman No. Period. I happen to enjoy it very much. And, you don't get to tell me that I can't.
Jeannine Howard : Genetics does not matter– we are ALL created in the image of God. He didn't say that some are created in the image of God, but rather ALL are created in the image of God, and therefore ALL deserve to be treated with the utmost respect and dignity– whether you think they are sinners or not– that does not matter. What matters is that we are ALL created in His image, and therefore MUST be treated as we would treat God or Jesus.
This proves homos are anti-Christians.
When you look at the actual scriptures of the New Testament, Christianity is really the most tolerant of all religions because the New Covenant is based on forgiveness of sin. The Old Testament, is based on law…one law…Jewish Law. The element of forgiveness through the Messiah is not present. Islam strictly forbids the act of homosexuality, with harsh punishments including the ultimate. Hinduism – many people in the strong Hindu areas of India are jailed for homosexual acts.
Michael McGl – You are right and Christ never said anything about homosexuality either. The Religious Right is a collective Anti-Christ for distorting the word of Christ.
Of course all this rot about Old Testament vs New Testament is irrelevant. One has to beleive in the Bible, Koran, Torah, whatever first before these arguments matter. When one doesn't believe being gay is a sin any more than being straight, it sort of becomes moot.
Gays are anti-christian, eh? Gee, read these boards a bit and you sure won't wonder why. It appears most of you are firm believers in the odd concept that the best way to be a Christian is to be a real ass.
Michael McGlasson Read Romans 1. God is NOT tolerant of homosexual behavior. Don't be deceived.
Ron Cemer : Again, Ron. You are obsessed. Really, I don't now what you are so concerned about. Trust me, not a one of us is DYING to sleep with you… You are so beyond safe us it's hilarious…
Jay, I'm a homo and I'm standing up for you on this issue. Grow up.
Mark Ilvedson Mark please stop being so stupid! Quit drinking the cool aid.
Mark Ilvedson Blanket statements like Jays are never worth replying to…How much thought is put into a statement of 5 1/2 words..I mean really.. I do not support homosexuality but I do not support stupidity either….Many need to be educated and by a truly anointed individual and they are out there….We have Ministers today that are so far off track and afraid to not be politically correct that they are Off message and not doing any good for their flock…
There are those who have been taught by their own church that its OK, but it is not and the scriptures are very clear about this….
That does not mean they need to be bashed, ridiculed or harshly judged individually, it means they need a New Shepherd and a lot of new information…
In the end, Judgement is mine sayeth the Lord so it is not a Christians place to judge individuals who are homosexual, but it is their place to try to help these individuals see the light and educate them and try to have them change to a lifestyle acceptable to God.:)
Mark Ilvedson
I have been reading this board some people could choose there words better but I see no one that is being mean. The worse thing I have seen is the term homo was used. You seem to think because people do not agree or they are not silent it makes them unchristian.
jesus hung out with 12 single guys, nuff said.
Ron Cemer And you know that because god told you so……ah ha….OK.
Gee, that wouldn't be because the religions have thrown us out of their circles, now would it? There are many gay Christians.
Ron Cemer God isn't tolerant of shrimp, but is tolerant of slavery.
Mark Ilvedson is a hater.
Mark Ilvedson
Your opinion appears to be a tad irrelevant. Common sense deprived. Statistically challenged. Personally motivated. Denied reality. Unobjectively based. Personally disparaging. Unreasonably biased . . . .
Leo Monteiro
Again. ignorance leads to wrong opinions. Several of that 12 were married. It seems that Peter took his wife with him sometimes.
Your inference of course is that they were sodomites, which is of course so gay! I've lived in mining camps but that didn't mean they were all sodomites. In fact if anyone had attempted to make a pass with these REAL men, they'd have probably ended up with some damaged body parts. Christians may be forgiving miners not so much!
Where did that come from?
When I read comments like yours, I remember men wrote the bible and words and translations change over time. As for anti-Christian… I doubt it. When you press anyone into a corner expect them to fight back. The bible is used not to open some peoples minds when it should. When I served in the Marines and I hear things like what you say it makes me wish you were right there with me. You'd get a wake up call.
When I read comments like yours, I remember men wrote the bible and words and translations change over time. As for anti-Christian… I doubt it. When you press anyone into a corner expect them to fight back. The bible is used not to open some peoples minds when it should. When I served in the Marines and I hear things like what you say it makes me wish you were right there with me. You'd get a wake up call.
Mark Ilvedson My grandparents said it best. You love everyone. You preach in a convicting way. You get an education. God does the rest. Some folks go to church and then think they can come out and demand everything their way. How about some humbleness. Words change in translation over years and men are imperfect. One can't chose their orientation and thats life. Sad world when people can't live and let live. Of course overpopulation will be a problem and these folks want to have billions more. They don't recognize science at all. So sad.
Ron Cemer, eat any shellfish lately? Do you know any adulterers who've escaped stoning? Or is it only the parts of scripture that reinforce your prejudices that get your blood flowing?
Fortunately for you, God (if He exists) is apparently very tolerant of closet-case fools who obsess over other people's sex lives. He sure created a lot of you, anyway.
Vasas Christopher Vasas – I have just one change to suggest to your post to Mark… The scriptures have over 24000 manuscripts from back over 100 years before Christ, and when evaluated, help substantiate that almost all of the Bible in our time is still completely accurate to those manuscripts. It has been determined that there are only 14 verses which have some minor differences in them, and none of them detract from the verse's meaning, nor the overall book. It is the most accurate of all books in history, proven by archeological findings. So, please adjust your comment about "words change translation over years". And if your comment about men being imperfect relates to your thought that scriptures aren't still accurate, then I would hope you would adjust your comment there as well. That is all… Thanks for letting me add some fact. Peace.
Douglas Brininstool I always thought the Bible to be fluid. As times change so does our understanding. Anyway, I have never pretended to know exactly what God is thinking about anything. I do know that he wants me to show mercy, kindness and justice, and to love my neighbor. That is what a follower of Christ does. Go will sort out everything else.
Sorry. God will sort out everything else. (I truly hate auto-correct. *sigh*)
Donna Franczak You are also right Donna – The Bible does speak to us in our different circumstances, and therefore is fluid in how it relates to us, or better, how we relate to it. But, as Jesus said – not one dot nor one iota (the ink marks that make up the language it was written in) will change before I come back – it is still completely accurate from the earliest of times. That is what is so cool about that book, God's inspired unerroring word. And you are completely correct – we are to show compassion, love, mercy to everybody, because we all sin and we all need compassion, love and mercy. But, we are also to point the way to God's desire and will and laws for living – so that we all can overcome sin in our lives. Thanks for your compassion and mercy!
Douglas Brininstool I do love when people talk intelligently regarding the bible. Thank you for your insights. I agree point the way, lead by example, but in the end it is the individua'ls choice. At that point you "love your neighbor" and pray for them. You do not hate or condemn. That does not fit into Christ's teachings.
Ron Cemer – Ron…I never wrote that he was tolerant. My text was about the New Testament and forgiveness of sin through the Messiah. When Jesus forgave the adulteress he didn't say what she did was a correct lifestyle. He didn't tell her to keep on doing it. He told her she was forgiven and not to sin again.
Leo Monteiro – Not true Leo. Several of the Apostles were married men. Early writings suggest that all but John were married. The Bible mentions Peter's marriage specifically.
Donna Franczak You are so right Donna!!! Good stuff!
For all of you Christians using Romans 1 as the New Testament justification for your hateful comments – read a little further. God equally punishes those who slander, gossip, show no love, and show no mercy. You can't ignore some parts and preach other parts. It is all or nothing. If indeed all these sins are equally heinous in God's sight – you will find yourself standing side by side with those you are damning here. And I think God may be a little more critical of you since you used his word to drive people away from him instead of drawing them in.
Paul Robinson ……"Your opinion appears to be a tad irrelevant. Common sense deprived. Statistically challenged. Personally motivated. Denied reality. Unobjectively based. Personally disparaging. Unreasonably biased . . . ."
From reading your previous posts,you just described yourself exactly,just from an opposing point of view.
Michael McGlasson Then how do you explain the story of David and Jonathan? They made a Covenant before God to each other (same terminology in earliest texts in discussing Covenants between husbands and wives) Not to mention when the one died, the other tore their clothing in a certain spot (a practice reserved only for spouses). And the one said to the other that he loved him "more than any women" which could indicate .. Well I will let you study it for yourself, but suffice it to say, it does indicate a very deep, dedicated love for each other, whether "gay" or not– so why is it wrong that two men should love each other in today's world so much so that they could make a "covenant" before God and commit to each other? Might want to actually read that portion of the Bible (and make sure you don't use the King James Version– maybe New King James Version– but best is to go back to the earliest versions of the texts where it is most accurate and not translated by a King who politicized it).
Let me see if I understand the government indoctrination schools; it is ok to be a sodomite, an anarchist, a communist, a marxist, a mooslime, an athiest, a lesbo, a pedophile, an extreme environmental anarchist, BUT not a Christian. I think this is political corectness and secular humanism condoned by the nea.
It's called freedom of association. You have a problem with that, change the bill of rights.
You are a complete caricature of the typical anti-intellectual that Fox news so famously caters to.
Congratulations.
A sodomite? Really? Many straight men like anal sex with their girlfriends or wives. Does that make them sodomites? Holy Cheesus.
Don't try to crucify yourself too much in one post, you can never get the last nail in.
Andrea Givens – it's still perverted, do you know what kind of damage that can do to a rectum, male or female? The bottome line is THAt doesn't go THERE natturally – if you want to do that fine, but don't try to play it like those who find unnatural behavior unnatural are the ones with the problem. Liberty determine free association for everyone, and that goes both ways.
Andrea Givens – it's still perverted, do you know what kind of damage that can do to a rectum, male or female? The bottome line is THAt doesn't go THERE natturally – if you want to do that fine, but don't try to play it like those who find unnatural behavior unnatural are the ones with the problem. Liberty determine free association for everyone, and that goes both ways.
Ryan Hess – lol more freakshow I see.
Ryan Hess – lol more freakshow I see.
Perhaps if people like you practiced a more understanding and compassionate version of your own religious tenets instead of judging and tearing other people down, being a "Christian" would be more acceptable. I'm a Christian and I'm gay, and I find that the two are not mutually exclusive. The day that you successfully follow each and every "rule" in the bible is the day you get to judge me or anyone for that matter. As far as calling "muslims" "mooslime" and suggesting that pedophilia is more tolerated than Christianity, just shows how intolerant you are. You are not a Christian, you are a radical hate-monger who has to sensationalize things like pedophilia to try and prove a point. Shame on you, and may you find the real spirit of Jesus some day.
Cory Flack You need to get saved. You can't claim you're "gay" and also know Christ. If you're committing homosexual acts, you are living under the judgment and wrath of God. Since you think you're a Christian, bust open your King James Bible and read Romans 1 — all of it. If you read it with an open mind, it will bring you to your knees in repentance. Don't tell me you can be a Christian and also willfully continue to commit homosexual acts.
That's the beauty of being a Christian, I don't have to ask your permission to have a relationship with God. You have your interpretation, I have mine. You hand pick passages that seem to make your point but then if I wrote down all the passages that you are not adhering to… Again, if you feel that you have earned the right to interpret the bible and cast judgment on others then that's something you'll eventually have to atone for.
Cory Flack So did you read Romans 1 or not? You can't "interpret" that away. You can choose to ignore it, or live in rebellion to it — but if you do either of those, don't come and tell me you're a Christian. Christianity isn't some custom-made religion. Either you believe Christ can save you from your sin, or you don't. If you believe He's too weak to give you the power to live the life He clearly says you must live — a life of purity and holiness before Him — then don't come and tell me you're a Christian because you have not been saved. You can't serve both God and the flesh. I urge you to reconsider. Eternity is a long time to spend separated from God, just because you didn't want to study His word for all it's worth — just because you didn't want to give up one little part of your life which He wanted you to turn over to Him and receive forgiveness, mercy and healing. Jeremiah 17:9 is in full effect here. Your heart is deceiving you. You say you aren't broken? Buddy, we're all broken. But if you hold onto your sin instead of letting it go, God will give you the desire of your heart — but you won't be with Him in eternity. You have to make a choice — your lifestyle of choice now, or eternity with Him.
Ron Cemer … You fail to honor Christ in your actions, perhaps you should learn to speak out against hateful rhetoric in the name of Christ before you tell others how they should worship and what they are doing wrong. You fail to take to task the obviously hateful "mooslime" remark. In fact you didn't mention any of the offensive things that were said. You simply gloss over them. For someone who has such an intimate knowledge of the bible you seem to have lost sight of some overarching concepts… Compassion, humanity, humility… to name a few.
Ron Cemer okay…I have to ask, how do you interpret the book of Philemon? I'm sure that since you know so much about scripture, you must know what that book is. It's a letter that Paul wrote to his friend – one of his converts, Philemon, a businessman and slave owner. His slave, Onesimus, had run away to follow Paul on his journeys. Paul sent him back with that letter, now in our Bible, in which he pleads for Philemon to show mercy to Onesimus, even promising to pay whatever debt he owes so Philemon will spare him.
Both Old and New Testaments both talk about slavery as if it is completely normal. Something else the New Testament commands – women are to be silent in church, and speak only to their husbands when they are at home, and they are supposed to keep their heads covered (a la burqua?). Do we obey that? Jesus never addressed homosexuality, but he specifically called divorce wrong – yet Christians are not immune to the demon of divorce. No, we don't. Why not?
Because the culture has changed. Many things in our scripture can be seen in a different light, but many others are simply ignored. You cannot point out one thing that you believe to be a sin while you ignore other parts of the bible. I believe Paul had something to say about that kind of thing in Galatians.
Andrea Givens Actually Andrea, Yes it does and I doubt you will find this going on in nearly the percentage of households you might think it is. By the way, in Most states it is still Illegal.
The thing about gays is that they are Not born this way, they are a product of their environment. When a parent says we have known since he was 3 years old and allow him to cross dress and promote his girlish adolescence to continue, they created the environment rather than correcting the behavior. The I was born that way line is simply untrue but used heavily as if it were factual.
Regardless,School is an inappropriate place for this and tainting ones yearbook, a lifetime keepsake to discuss anything of a sexual nature is simply wrong….It would be just as wrong to have a straight discussing the night he knocked up his cheerleader girlfriend..
Lets not get the cart before the horse here…I am not here to Judge him personally for his orientation, this is about inappropriate time and place. This is about other student activities that took a back seat to a social/political Issue, one by the way that 17 year old's have no vote on. Any sane teacher would have realized this was wrong to use a yearbook to push any political social propaganda.
It would be no different than the High School Bible club having a full page spread to make a Political/Social statement and we all know how Huge this would become in the national news media. That is the issue here, Inappropriate time and Place and an Adult who let it slide knowing full well the powder keg it would be… Why Now? Why did he allow it? What was his motivation??
This is not about the Kid or His choice, It is about A failure in an Adult to restrain himself from using the yearbook as a springboard to further the cause of a very touchy subject, regardless of how important a small percentage of the population believes it to be. There are Venues that are the proper place, this was not it.
Todd Groettum really? My dad knew when I was about three years old that I was probably a lesbian. My mother fought like hell to "correct the behavior". I'm as gay as gay can be, but I also don't sleep around, I've never touched narcotics, and I get irritated with the GOP for not being conservative enough. It's not behavior, it's something that is perfectly normal for a very small sliver of the population – and humans are not the only species to engage in homosexuality, either.
Mel Maguire Philemon, What are you referring to exactly??…
There is nothing to indicate that acts of homosexuality is an acceptable practice, unless you take the word of my flesh out of context and that refers to the flesh (being human) vs the Spirit.
And there are times when divorce IS acceptable.
Matthew 5:32
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
You cant Pick and choose which parts of the bible you want to believe and which parts do not suit you, You either accept that it is the Word of God or you do not.
If God can make Man, the earth and all that abides in the universe do you think he can not insure that was is written in HIS BOOK is what he wants there??
Perhaps it is time for you to take a deep look within at your true core beliefs….Try a 3 day fast and Prayer. We are all Sinners and fall short of the glory of god and Only through Jesus sacrifice and grace is it possible for us to be redeemed, But we still must try to throw of the Yoke of the flesh and do the best we can to walk the walk. Sometimes it is not easy and then is when you must pray the most and fins other Christians to give you support and encouragement.
You got it right there agenda is to involve younger and younger kids. They are already calling for understanding of those sexually attracted to kids. It has to be stopped. People need to step up and save there kids from the politically correct brain washed that have taken over the schools. It may be to late unless men and women start standing up to protect there children
Ron Cemer, I don't believe it is fair for you to imply that a person is unsaved because they're homosexual. Because if that were true, then men who struggle with lust are also unsaved, along with people with addictions, those who lie, and anyone who's ever sinned. Don't get me wrong, the Bible makes it clear God's stance on homosexuality. But being one doesn't mean you're going to hell, it just means you're in sin.
I once heard this idea (and it would be cool to hear your perspective on it) that a person who honestly feels they are homosexual and can't make that feeling/mindset dissipate, but struggle with it because they want to follow God, can simply choose not to act on those feelings and as a result honor God. It goes with the idea of temptation not being sin, but rather whether or not you respond it.
Lastly, I respect you for witnessing. But please be aware of how your words come across. No one is going to respond to a message of love when it comes across as an attack. There were times when Jesus used head on confrontations. But I see more exampes of Him loving and accepting the very person society despised, and in doing so, brought them to Him.
Ron Cemer, actually, we all are going to suffer the wrath of God. Histoy shows us that every major civilization that has come to accept homosexuality as normal has soon perished. We are on our way down from when I was born. We will be #12. I suppose one can argue God but only a fool argues history.
Mark Schwendau, please enlighten the rest of us on these major civilizations that have perished. And if you mention Sodom and Gomorrah, you fail. However, looking at your profile, I see you enjoy 'The Good Wife'…..bet you didn't mind one bit when they had those lesbian scenes, didya pumpkin? hypocrit!
Which schools, Lawrence, say it's ok to be a pedophile? Tell me. I want to call them up and verify.
Sal, I am not here to judge you or anybody else. All I am saying is those who do not learn from history are destined to repeat the same mistakes over and over again. Don't shoot the messenger, please.
Ron Cemer Sure he can, Christ never said anything about homosexuality but might have even approved in the Centurion and his "servant".
Todd Groettum How do you know they are NOT born that way? And it doesn't really matter since Relgion is also a choice and protected then other choices must also be protected according to the 14th Amendment.
Mel Maguire Interesting when homosexuals compare what they do with what animals do – on par with animals – how destructive and sad is of a lifestyle choice is that. Also, nice of you to omit the fact the CDC reports 300K news AIDS cases a year, IV drug use is a SAFER alternative than homosexual relations.
Jesher Spelling where did you get those facts. The comparison is simple all sex is an animal instinct. The physical is not important the soul is you are sooo vain
Andrea Givens P U, no thanks!
Sodomites, perverts, abnormal, a world view of another man's anus really how non enlightened the progressive liberals are, and they want the children to start young because they do not reproduce.
Andrea Givens
But anal sex doesn't define a heterosexual. Its just one of a number of activities in the heterosexual gift basket. This perverted same sex attraction obviously is limited in what sexual connections can be made. While I have no reason to criticize married couples who DO enjoy those sexual activities, they also have the option of normal procreative sex – something sodomites do not have – hence the definition. And so it IS accurate.
And a monogamous relationship is free of guilt, disease and, hopefully, social stigma.
Paul Robinson It doesn't define homosexuality either, lesbians do not partake in it and I know many gay men that just participate in oral sex.
Ron Cemer you wrote: "You can't claim you're "gay" and also know Christ. If you're committing homosexual acts, you are living under the judgment and wrath of God." Uhhh.. yes you can… How do you know? You really think God makes things THAT obvious? By the way, I am gay, out in my congregation and have one of the top positions on the Board of Directors as well as being involved in many other ways– I happen to be celibate. One thing you said but don't realize is that "committing homosexual acts" does not mean that being gay is a sin. It means that there is one forbidden act (anal intercourse, as per Leviticus)– if you actually studied what all the New Testament says you would not do too well– the word "Homosexual" and "Homosexuality" did not exist when it was written almost 2000 years ago. The actual term that is used in the original texts is the term for "pederasty" which is sex with children.. So Leviticus is the only verse that is actually translated properly (and it is not "homosexuality"– it rather describes one specific sexual act) and that is right in the midst of all the laws about blood (women's menstrual cycle, etc.).. So why would they throw such an important law in with those about blood? The only other times it is mentioned anywhere in the Bible, (in context, of course) it refers to doing as those of "the nations" do– so it forbids doing it because those "of the nations" do it. I will tell you like I tell Les– actually look at context and actually look at it from the historical standpoint and you will see it is not forbidding love between two males– if that WERE forbidden, then David and Jonathan would have been sinners since they make a Covenant with each other before God (same wording as used in marriages– covenant between Abraham and Sarah, etc.) So apparently David and Jonathan were quite the item– so much so that when the one died, the other tore their clothing– the same way that a spouse does– but friends dont do that– only spouses).. So two males CAN love each other, according to the Bible.. Just not commit that one physical act that is prohibited in Leviticus.. Remember– context, context, context..
Ron Cemer One more thing I noticed– and yes I have read Romans 1 (many times over my life) and here is what it says: It is wrong to make images of a mortal man and bow down to it (I guess the Catholics are horrible then, since they worship Saints, and those who have statues and crucifixes with Jesus on them are also sinning) and it also says that they were godless and then gave into LUSTS (says nothing about love, commitment but only LUSTS– so I guess the guys who eat at hooters are sinners as well) and it says the people who are godless "are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them." So I guess any time you have caused strife (which is what you are doing now) is a sin, as is those who have no mercy, not to mention those who approve of those who have no mercy or love. So you hate those who are homosexual– you have no love for those who worship the one and ONLY God, as long as they identify as gay (regardless if they have sex or not). Not to mention envy (so you never once were envious of someone else in your entire life? Lucky you!!
So exactly how are you better than anyone else?
Matthew Carpenter Homosexuals have split up how many churches in the last decade? The church that has you on the board, is most likely liberal sect that was disenfranchised long ago, the fact you sit on some board and are celebrate mean nothing to me. Homosexuality is an abomination and it clearly says so in the bible over and over. Read Ephesians 5 about sexual immorality or 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.
The progressive liberals are hoping to get a blessing our of their african born illegal occupier of the white house, BUT in his religion which is over a Billion worldwide, mooslimes consider when a man lays with a man or woman with a woman filthy and they take off their heads according to their make believe mohammad the pervert god of their religion….sorry another large group of folks that say it is abnormal
North Carolina joins and we now have 30 states that have normal people that can stand up to the bullying by the homosexual agenda of hate and intollerance. Hooray 58 to 42 said Hello no. It is a man and a woman not a man and man or man and his sheep
North Carolina joins and we now have 30 states that have normal people that can stand up to the bullying by the homosexual agenda of hate and intollerance. Hooray 58 to 42 said Hello no. It is a man and a woman not a man and man or man and his sheep
North Carolina joins and we now have 30 states that have normal people that can stand up to the bullying by the homosexual agenda of hate and intollerance. Hooray 58 to 42 said Hello no. It is a man and a woman not a man and man or man and his sheep
Jesher Spelling first, I sit on the board at a Synagogue and we are conservative in our theology, and lean more toward orthodox in our practice. You are right– sexual immorality is a sin– but what exactly does that entail? Leviticus states that there is one specific physical act that is forbidden, in regards to homosexuality. I myself am celibate so therefore do not violate Torah, but all that is actually forbidden is one specific physical act. Torah actually gives laws on behaviors, but does not say anything about emotion– so sin is based on behaviors, not emotions and love is an emotion. In Judaism, we separate the behavior from the person. ALL people were created in the image of God, regardless of what behaviors they have, and therefore all people deserve respect and dignity. Homosexual sex is not condoned– but we do not condemn the homosexual, because it is not our place to condemn and to spread hate. Actually, what is done in someone's bedroom is really none of our business (and by the way, with modern technology- adoption, invetro fertilization, etc. even "be fruitful and multiply" can happen with gay couples). Now, divorce (in the Bible) is also forbidden– a woman who remarries after a divorce is to be stoned to death. Yet you are not against women getting married for a second time. Adultery is forbidden, yet you do not condemn that. Sex before marriage is also forbidden and yet you do not go around condemning others who do that– ALL are "sexual immorality" yet you only choose homosexuality to condemn. Why is that? To condemn one "sinner" but not all sinners is nothing more than hypocritical thinking. Oh and one last thought: Eating unclean animals (pork, for instance) is an abomination in the Bible, yet you do not condemn those who eat pork even though they are an abomination.. Hmmm. Interesting– must be great to pick and choose which laws to follow. I myself choose to try to follow as many as I possibly can but also choose to focus on myself and not what others are or are not following.
Lawrence C Rountree I am actually glad North Carolina passed that bill into law, because now the heterosexual couples who are not married (and there are quite a few of them) will have a chance to see what it is like to not have any rights. Maybe once it affects them, they will change their minds on denying equal rights to all people.
dan savage is the poster boy of gayness…what a pile of hate, bigotry, anger, intolerance, and bully, been to the white house with the king and queen on more than one ocassion, the new czar of homosexual love for our nation
There are historical proven facts that cultures that openly welcome the homosexuals there is increase in child porn, pedophiles, and the spread of diseases like aids, remember Sodom and Gomorrah became like a big gay bath house and look where it ended
There are historical proven facts that cultures that openly welcome the homosexuals there is increase in child porn, pedophiles, and the spread of diseases like aids, remember Sodom and Gomorrah became like a big gay bath house and look where it ended
Lawrence C Rountree You obviously do not actually know what the Bible says at all. Look at Ezekiel 16:48-50 which says "As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, your sister Sodom and her daughters never did what you and your daughters have done. "'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen." SO IT IS CLEAR that their sin is that they did not help the poor and the needy, were arrogant overfed and unconcerned. JESUS HIMSELF STATES: Matthew 10:11-15 says "… If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town. I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town." which makes it clear it was about not being hospitable to strangers. It had nothing to do with being gay.. So how do you get that it is about homosexuality when Jesus Himself makes it clear as day as to why Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed– and not once is homosexuality mentioned in anything. IF you look in context, you will know that back in that day and time the requirement was when anyone came to the towns they were to be met by the towns leadership and approval for entry must be made, but yet Lot allowed strangers in who did not get approval from the leaders– so therefore the towns folk pounded on the door to find out who they were (hence the reason "so that we may know them" is written) That translation into "it was about sex" came ONLY AFTER many many different versions of the Bible had already been written, and that interpretation only came later, in versions that were written during a time when sex was seen in everything (medieval times). So it is clear it had nothing to do with homosexuality..
Lawrence C Rountree You obviously do not actually know what the Bible says at all. Look at Ezekiel 16:48-50 which says "As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, your sister Sodom and her daughters never did what you and your daughters have done. "'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen." SO IT IS CLEAR that their sin is that they did not help the poor and the needy, were arrogant overfed and unconcerned. JESUS HIMSELF STATES: Matthew 10:11-15 says "… If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town. I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town." which makes it clear it was about not being hospitable to strangers. It had nothing to do with being gay.. So how do you get that it is about homosexuality when Jesus Himself makes it clear as day as to why Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed– and not once is homosexuality mentioned in anything. IF you look in context, you will know that back in that day and time the requirement was when anyone came to the towns they were to be met by the towns leadership and approval for entry must be made, but yet Lot allowed strangers in who did not get approval from the leaders– so therefore the towns folk pounded on the door to find out who they were (hence the reason "so that we may know them" is written) That translation into "it was about sex" came ONLY AFTER many many different versions of the Bible had already been written, and that interpretation only came later, in versions that were written during a time when sex was seen in everything (medieval times). So it is clear it had nothing to do with homosexuality..
Love abides in the LORD who is returning for His kingdom soon. He gave His life for all…even those who choose to act against His wise counsel and commandments. He wishes no one to perish. Remember dear brothers and sisters in Christ that we too were sinners before our eyes and hearts were opened to the TRUTH and love of the LORD. His offer of salvation and forgiveness is still there…for a little while longer. He will not tarry much longer! The greatest act of love that we who love the LORD can commit is to pray without ceasing for the hearts and minds of others who are like we were to have their eyes and hearts opened to the TRUTH and the love that abides in Him who gave His life for us. He is love.
Religion is a CHOICE that has led to more wars, slavery, murder, subjugation of woman, torture, pedophilia, and hatred then all other institutions combined in the history of man.
The kids don't seem to have nearly as much of a problem with gays as their parents. Change can be difficult for some.
Love the person, hate the sin. They don't see things through the eyes of Jesus, so bring them Jesus and then they will understand that He designed them and knows the best way to live. Love them into the kingdom, and then the Holy Spirit will convict them of their sin. No one is sinless without Jesus Christ.
I grew up in church, and this is why I now don't attend. The judgment, the hate, the holier-than-thou attitude, the pretentious bull … I can't stand it.
Andrea Givens Same reason why I don't go anymore.
Andrea Givens Same reason why I don't go anymore.
Andrea Givens – The hate…where did you attend – Reverend Wright's church?
Andrea Givens – The hate…where did you attend – Reverend Wright's church?
Michael McGlasson I grew up in a non denominational christian church and I agree with Andrea and it seems to be a pattern. Judgement, gossip, hate, hypocrisy while pretending to be there to worship God. It is disgusting to me, and if there is a God as the Christians claim, and if the Bible and the story of Jesus are to be believed, I would think that they would find the current church repugnant.
Travis Wickline Actually Travis, there are good and bad in the church – we are all sinners, so of course there would be bad there as well as good. Hopefully those doing the bad are seeking forgiveness and trying to overcome the bad. Those that are good are hopefully helping out the bad. You are right though – there are also many wolves in sheep's clothing that have done some very despicable acts in the "name" of the church, but again, if you evaluate their actions compared to the others in the church, you can tell whom is and is not of the faith. Same as in all other organizations.
Andrea Givens I agree. Its a shame that so many people just don't understand love and tolerance
Gee phyllis. Youre right. I dont see through the eyes of Jesus. Because i don't believe as you believe. I have my own beliefs and they don't include Jesus being the Son of God. And lucky for me, my religion allows for homosexuals. But you don't see me trying to push my religion off on you.
Andrea Givens …You're still welcome to go a Bible church. They welcome all ignorant hypocrites like you who don't want anyone even suggesting you might be wrong about anything. It must be nice to be perfect like you. There are millions like you so you must feel very comfortable.
Michael McGlasson Good one. Wright on target!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Andrea Givens yuo sound guilt ridden.
Jesus is the only way, the truth, and the life. If you don't have him, then you have hate.
Les Redmon Les – I am a Christian. I read your post right above, along with your others. I think you feel you are a Christian as well. So I have one question for you…. Do you believe your post right above here is in love? Do you think Jesus would be proud of that comment? You called Andrea an ignorant hypocrite… why? She may not understand, or even reject our Lord, or what the Bible says, but even so, only the Lord God has the right to call someone "an evil viper", or in your words – an ignorant hypocrite. Try doing God's work with love.
Michael McGlasson
Hate: (verb) the sodomite definition of an absence of effusive affirmation
Hate: (noun) the sodomite definition of moral, physical and health laws that don't support their chosen lifestyle.
They leave churches that won't bend their rules to include their perversion as a normal recreation. Not much wonder Romans 1 says that God gave them over to a reprobate mind – logic and morality cease to be issues
Douglas Brininstool …."I think you feel"….? A believer in Christ is not founded on "feelings"…it is on faith.
Ignorant = lacking knowledge. Hypocrite = a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion. Andrea gets on a high horse and condemns others yet does the same thing. Perhaps you should read all she wrote? She is still welcome to go back and show her face in that church she grew up in. She is using her feelings and whatever as an excuse. I doubt very seriously..and you too if you're honest…that people hated her and the other ridiculous things she said. Does she not know believers are sinners? Maybe she sees herself as pure? She said she grew up there. Did she not have ears to hear all those years? How do you know she is not a confused believer?
I read some of your posts. Not impressed with milquetoast here. Many times it takes cold water in the face. Many are spiritually dead you know.
But thanks for your advice any way.
Douglas Brininstool …Also, we are fighting the sodomites here. You might want to kick it up a notch !…. This Nation is in a life and death struggle. They need to have the witness of the Holy God against them. Firey judgement is coming and they must be warned. It's time to shout from the roof tops. Time is short ! Now get in there and get going !…
Andrea Givens My religious congregation is not like that. But then again I am not a Christian. I believe Jesus is the Messiah, however I am Jewish. Gay people can attend any Jewish congregation (except for the ultra orthodox) and be welcomed into the congregation. I suggest that if you truly want religion in your life, you just look around. Many congregations are now realizing that it is one physical act that is forbidden, NOT the whole of being gay.
Andrea Givens My religious congregation is not like that. But then again I am not a Christian. I believe Jesus is the Messiah, however I am Jewish. Gay people can attend any Jewish congregation (except for the ultra orthodox) and be welcomed into the congregation. I suggest that if you truly want religion in your life, you just look around. Many congregations are now realizing that it is one physical act that is forbidden, NOT the whole of being gay.
Les Redmon Milquetoast? Are you a sinner James? Are you a sinner Les? I am. But Jesus came into my life and saved me. He has shown me where my faults are, and is working on me so that when my time comes, my Lord God can say "well done, good and faithful servant". God is the judge. God is the changer of life. Our job as christian children of the Lord is to show the way to the loving grace and forgiveness of Jesus Christ. To spread the good news of the Lord and what his death and resurection actually means. That is is. God takes care of the rest. I praise God that He has given me the opportunity to take part in the saving of others to CHrist and eternal life. And not one of those times was due to expounding the anger of the Lord, the meanness and name calling that I saw in your posts. And God has used me to bring people to Him. I do hope your ways also bring people to Him, but I know when I see your attacks, they are not relationship building, as Jesus' was.
Douglas Brininstool …Tell me, how many sodomites have you seen saved through your "relationship building"?…..
Douglas Brininstool ….Was this too harsh for you?
..SODOMITES….It's time to repent before your time runs out! Do it today! Fall on your faces and ask Jesus Christ to have MERCY ON YOU! Tell him you believe the Gospel.
"The Gospel is the power of God for the salvation of EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES." Romans, chapter 1.
Les Redmon and James – if you truly had read my posts as you say you did, you would have noted that I did not back away from calling the act of homosexuality a sin, just as lust, greed, gossip, slander, lying, hate, anger, using the Lord's name in vaine, adultry, fornication, etc. are. Guess what? Pride is too. Not loving your brother (and you and I know what Jesus meant when he said "love your brother" – it wasn't just relation, it was the saducee to the Jew… someone who wasn't liked.. – So you and I are as guilty as a homosexual. The only difference is whether you have Jesus as your Lord and saviour, and if you accept his saving grace and love and redemption. God does the convicting, and the judging. We are not to do that. Go in peace and make disciples for Him. Not turn away people because of your anger.
Les Redmon Two – how about you?
As for your question of if it was too hars for me – only one part "Sodomites"… It should read "Everyone". We all fall short and we are all in sin, and we all will end up in hell without the grace and love of the Lord (and his forgiveness of our sins). You my friend are just as guilty as I and as the other folks here. But Jesus' death takes our guilt away. Praise the Lord for that. Now – how do you think someone would react to your post, verses this one of mine? One is saying "hey you…. change or you are going to hell." The other is saying "hey – we all are going to hell without Jesus' love and grace which wipes away our sin". Man, I would sure be more attracted to the positive comment, than the negative. Just saying.
Les Redmon I have a question for you? How much time do you spend in Church and Bible study each week? Me? I spend 40+ hours a week volunteering for my congregation as well as 8 hours a week in services AND approximately 25 hours a week in study. Oh and did I mention I work and run a household? God is my life. As He wrote "write them on the doorpost of your house and on your gates. Bind them upon your hand and as frontlets between your eyes. Teach them to your children, talk about them when you rise and when you lay down to sleep. With the many, many blessings, there is nothing I can do without communicating to God (there is even a blessing for after I use the bathroom to thank Him for giving me the means to get rid of waste out of my body). So there is NOTHING I do that I am not in constant relationship with God. What about you? I am guessing you profess to be a man of God but in reality when alone you are not.. (as evidenced by your hateful, judgmental, pious posts).
Matthew Carpenter Matthew – I hear what you are saying with your post as well…. one thing to remember, it is not what we do, that saves us (it is though a confirmation that He is Lord of our life). I am just hoping that others that read these posts do not feel that unless they "do" 40+ hours a week volunteering, etc. that they are not true Christians. Again, it isn't what you do, it is what you put your faith in, and the acceptance of God's son as saviour of your life, and pentance for your sins that saves you (grace). I am proud of your efforts though!! Great job! I too in most of my day am in relation with Him, or I try as best to be. But I still fail sometimes, and thank God He has allowed me to repent and gain forgiveness again. I would hate to see where I would be if He didn't provide the way.
Douglas Brininstool I understand what you are saying and you are right– the point I was making to Les was simple: you are not a Christian because you memorize every verse in the Bible. You are not a Christian if you check God at the door and only go to Church and Study for a few hours a week. You are a true Christian if you live your life 24 hours a day the way The Lord has instructed us to live it. And I highly doubt Les does that.. That is the point I am making– that and the fact that "sodomite" (which is what he calls me) or not, I am far from living a life of sin.. That was all I was trying to point out, but you are right– someone could be 24 hours a day preaching the Word but not living it for a single minute..
Matthew Carpenter Gotcha. Thanks!
I am gay and I read this and I happen to agree. This was not something I agree with. If this were in my yearbook I would also have been upset. It has nothing to do with school it has to do with the persons personal life. While I'm sure they feel that it's part of his school life to I think this kind of thing would have been fine for someones facebook wall or for an article in a lifestyles section of a newspaper not something that is supposed to remind people of their time in school. What they did is take and shove something they knew was a topic of a great deal of controversy in their town down the throats of the students. It is at best a cry for attention and at worse an attack on other peoples way of life which ironically is what this is supposedly trying to say it's defending. I realize many people don't agree with me but, in my eyes this is Ironic and absolutely distasteful. I obviously have nothing against the kid but, I think the teacher should know better than to make a student a target by doing this.
I see your point and I can understand it. I can certainly agree. However, people need to realize failure to talk about some subjects even in an educated and scientific way can leads to more ignorance and problems in the future. Sex ed prevents STDs. People don't realize denying peoples rights as humans is wrong because they certainly wouldn't appreciate the same happening to them. I have a bedroom and trust, I use it.
I see your point and I can understand it. I can certainly agree. However, people need to realize failure to talk about some subjects even in an educated and scientific way can leads to more ignorance and problems in the future. Sex ed prevents STDs. People don't realize denying peoples rights as humans is wrong because they certainly wouldn't appreciate the same happening to them. I have a bedroom and trust, I use it.
Vasas Christopher I think good parenting and the teachings of Jesus Christ are a more efective way to prevent STDs. Since when is it a human right to be in a yearbook? Is it my human right to have a full page about Jesus in my yearbook? Is it my human right to pray in school? I guess it's only a human right when were talking about things that offend people with values. Your human rights beliefs all of a sudden become discrimination when people of other beliefs are involved.
Vasas Christopher May I have your source that sex-ed prevents STD's? The CDC recently posted MSM(men having sex with men) account for nearly half of the approximately 1.2 million people living with HIV in the United States (49%, or an estimated 580,000 total persons).
MSM account for more than half of all new HIV infections in the United States each year (61%, or an estimated 29,300 infections).
While CDC estimates that only 4 percent of men in the United States are MSM, the rate of new HIV diagnoses among MSM in the United States is more than 44 times that of other men (range: 522 – 989 per 100,000 MSM vs. 12 per
100,000 other men).
Vasas Christopher
Sex Ed does not reduce STDS you have been took
Jeannine Howard So, we need more discussion of same sex issues in school to better educate them on the dangers and preventions of STD's, right?
I have a number of sodomite acquaintances that would whole heartedly agree with you. Its the militant radicalization and promotion of sodomy that is hurting these people. But They are winning. In only three generations they've gone from being criminals under the law to being the darlings of the elite.
Vasas Christopher
Glamorizing sodomy in a yearbook, and giving the story space while dropping active clubs in the school to gain that space is propaganda, not journalism. There's no way to get around that. Denying a girl's story of divine intervention in her recovery WAS a newsworthy story, but the school wouldn't go with it.
There is no human right issue – you do not have a human right to sodomy. Nowhere does that right appear. You don't even have the right to happiness – only its pursuit.
And if you think Sex Ed reduces STD's, you've been bought off by the looney left. In fact there has never been higher rates of STDs than in areas with established sex ed programs.
If condoms were the answer, no one would get pregnant. but they do. And since the window for pregnancy is very narrow, but the window for STDs is 365 day a year, the loony left defies logic by suggesting you can be safe while promiscuous.
Your best health, physically, sexually and emotionally, is two virgins marrying and praying together regularly. Its a plateau above what passes for enlightened sex without the regrets.
I agree, time and place for everything. A yearbook is to highlight everyone's high school years – not one persons. This sort of dedication is usually reserved for someone who has died in the senior class as a memorial.
Did you actually read the yearbook essay that raised the ruckus? It's completely innocuous; the hysterical reaction to it is what should be upsetting you — not as a gay person, but as a human being. Please actually read the yearbook entry, not just this silly Fox article, and tell us just what you find objectionable about it. To the rest of you: the yearbook profile isn't talking about sex at all! STD's have nothing to do with it.
Paul Robinson We see things as we wish. I can see some people really would like no year book instead. As for STDs, well, GC are becoming untreatable and if it weren't for science and education we probably wouldn't be to concerned about treating them or anything else let alone prevention. My view is you folks seem to feel its ok to have these and if you catch them of well its your problem. Think about that when your kid tells you they are going to die because of it.
Bruce Armstrong This is because people just want to see what they want to see of it. Stories just carry on. I wonder if some of these folks can read and comprehend. I'm pretty appalled. I think its time we have some self accountability time.
Travis Wickline I don't think I have been discussing sex-ed in schools. Again a straw man tactic. Please stay on topic. By far the number of new diseases in the gay community are in the ages between 24 to 50. I guess these people could go back to school for a lesson.
Bruce Armstrong. Realized that it is presumptuous of me to even care what Lenoir City puts in their year book. I don't think the essay as innocuous as you do, I believe that it was put in to stir up controversy,and I think this young man was used to do it. I think he will eventually be hurt, both by the motive and the reaction. I don't believe they did him any favors with this yearbook entry.
I do think they are inviting trouble in giving an individual his own page in the year book – next year everyone might want their own page. Who determines whose stories are more important than someone else's?
Donna Franczak on this one I have to disagree– the Yearbook is where issues that took place in that year are highlighted (my mother's yearbook, from 1969 has in it about peace and love and protests, my Yearbook had a page dedicated to Madonna and how she has influenced the youth (mostly in a negative way) and lets not forget those who were the first graduating class after 9/11/01 had yearbooks filled with how that event shaped their lives– including individual interviews with someone who was somehow connected directly to the victims– so to highlight a story of a child being bullied due to his sexual orientation is not something that is so horrible– now, if it talked about how he dates guys or how he dresses in drag or something like that, it would be inappropriate, but from my understanding, the story was about a student that everyone knew, who was bullied due to his orientation– which is exactly what is in young culture today– gay rights and the bullying issue.. So in my opinion, totally appropriate. Just my opinion, respectfully.
Matthew Carpenter The young man who wrote the essay, I do not believe that he anticipated the backlash of that essay. But I do believe that someone did and that this young man was just used. My heart goes out to him. I raised a teenage boy, this is not the kind of attention that they want. And what of the boy or girl that was bullied for being smart, or for beng over-weight, or poor, or handicappped. I can remember all of these people being picked on when I went to school (and that was a long time ago). Is their story any less sad or important? My point was now that this has been started, where do you draw the line? And who decides what issues are important enough? Your opinion has merit, and the idea is sound – but I think an essay on anti-bullying with a paragraph from differnt victims would have a more universal message for the students and not singled this young man out as a national target. This is just one forum – can you imagine his pain if he were reading the comments here? Mattthew, you are close to the issue; me, I'm just the mother of a son. Therein stems our different perspectives.
Jeannine Howard gosh you are an ugly looking girl lmfao
Donna Franczak Now that I read this response, our perspectives are not so different– I totally see your point (and I raised a young boy for eight years- from age 1 to 9, for an acquaintance that was not able to be a mother due to issues around her work (stripper out of town) and her lack of stability (would disappear for weeks at a time). I didn't want the child to be thrown into the foster care system, so I took him in and raised him. And although I unfortunately did not see his teen years (she threw me to the curb the second she got her life together– her exact words were "we no longer have use for you" ) and I gracefully stepped back so she could be the mother she should have been all along. (when he turns 18 I will try to contact him to see how he is doing and have stayed in touch with people who are friends with them to keep up with him that way) so I too can look semi- as a parent. And your words do ring true, so I certainly understand now your point and agree.
Matthew Carpenter – You, Matthew, are a treasure. Thank goodness you had him for the years that you did – those are the important learning years. He will want to hear from you. Things change when you view them thru "parent" eyes. My son is 21 and away from home – and I still worry about being there to protect him. Things that I don't think twice about for myself, scare me sleepless some nights when I imagine him dealing with them. I see this young man trusting someone to protect him, and they did not. I wonder what input if any his parents had. If it had been my son, my answer would have been an emphatic "NO" You protect your child as much as you can – and this project was a disaster where this boy is concerned. People should get the name of the adult advisor for the yearbook and bring him to account – or he/she should step up and willingly take the heat off of this boy.
Donna Franczak I totally agree with your thoughts on this– the adviser should have stepped in, and now should be stepping up to defend this child. (and by the way, thank you for the compliment- just tend to see the situation I had as someone stepping in to do the right thing to help a child– nothing special– just the right thing). I am wondering where the author of the article's parents are in all of this. I mean, I wonder what their thoughts on this whole situation are.. Especially after it got national attention..
Vasas Christopher Sex Ed does not prevent STD's just as much as driving school doesn't prevent traffic tickets or accidents. Sex Ed teaches CHILDREN "hey if you have sex, wear protection or this could happen" not "don't have sex until marriage or this could happen". You know even if the kids don't listen at least they could have said we tried along with the parents to teach them right. Having said that I don't want my kids taught anything about sexuality by anyone but myself. When they become of legal age, they can make their own decisions and CHOOSE who they want to be with or what they want to do.
"Homosexuality," Plato wrote, "is regarded as shameful by barbarians and by those who live under despotic governments just as philosophy is regarded as shameful by them, because it is apparently not in the interest of such rulers to have great ideas engendered in their subjects, or powerful friendships or passionate love-all of which homosexuality is particularly apt to produce."
Who knew Plato would accurately predict the likes of Tennessee and Fox News viewers?
Apparently Plato was a precursor to the modern homosexuals as he was apparently corrupted by Aristotle, that is,recruited and turned into a homosexual. That is how homosexuals are recruited don't you know? They are sucked into this vile perversion when young and impressionable by an older man. Hence we learn that poor old Plato was just another homo. By the way, isn't Greece known since ancient times of men having intimate relations with sheep and soldiers having a young man travel with them for sex?
Thanks for reminding us about Plato, darling of the universities..and their perverts.
They allow you to have animals in the dorms at No. Ky. U?? They do? Fascinating.
Plato was gay.
Plato was gay.
Plato was gay.
Les Redmon Well you do know that most of the new testament is written in Greek and not English. And they English mis-translated a lot of the Greek to English. The Greek language new testament does NOT even ONCE mention homo sexuality.
Les Redmon "That is how homosexuals are recruited don't you know? "
Funny, I wasn't recruited by a gay older man. I didn't even know anyone gay until I came out. So, yet again, the more you speak, the more you expose the fallacy of your logic, and your very severe lack of understanding about things which you claim to know.
Les Redmon : I uh…am not surprised you are a 'top commenter' here.
Read up on your Christian history, old man. Surprised in your time on this earth you would have avoided understanding anything about your religion. Some 'faith' you have.
Hatred of homosexuals didn't become a cornerstone of Christianity for over 1000 years since Anno Domini. It only started in the 12th century as a manner to incite the populace to go fight an otherwise unpopular war. It was around the same time the Church posted much propaganda and slander against foreigners and Jews. Gays just happened to be another minority to attack in order to rile peasants up.
You are still a peasant, and before your time is up (which could be any day, age considered,) you might want to stop by your public library and study up. Not sure God would be happy with those ignorant of His ways.
Les Redmon Forgot to add…Plato was Aristotle's teacher you uncultured oaf. Seriously, if you're going to slander the foundation of Western Political thought you might want to get the names right at least. Are you sure you've even read the Bible correctly if you can't figure out the first paragraph in a Wikipedia entry?
Brian Stanton Elmore…. ..I mistyped about Aristotle and Plato (you homo heroes, no doubt). Sorry about that.. you uncultured fraud. I have read the Bible and history extensively…..You are in for a BIG surprise if you don't repent and believe the Gospel. Don't forget, you have no idea when you will die and face the fiery judgement. It might be a good idea for your fraudulent 'mind' (it's a fraud because it's full of lies which you have swallowed hook, line, and pole) to focus on your life and death. Oh, you haven't thought of that? You don't want to think of that …now, do you?
So it's alright to be a sodomite at NKU? Is that where you got your 'culture'. Oh, you became a sodomite when? Did dad and mom applaud and send you more money? How about your old friends who are not sexual deviants?
"The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are PERISHING, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." 1 Corinthians, chapter 1.
Travis Wickline …Unfortunately for you, most homosexuals and other sexual deviants are recruited as young people. However, it doesn't matter when or how some are later due to the weakness of their minds which they give over to the dispicable and repulsive acts.
You see what happened is this……God gave you over to do those terrible acts because you gave your mind over to spiritual wickedness and the worship of created things like…rock music, etc. It's in the first chapter of Romans, a book in the Holy Bible…the only Holy Book on the planet. Read it…then read John in the Bible. Read it slowly and carefully.
Les Redmon : I am humored by your poor formatting and weak arguments. Unless you begin posting something worthwhile though, I must assume you are a much younger 'troll', as an old man would've at least been able to cite SOMETHING other than the Bible, such as St. Augustine or St. Thomas Acquinas. If not…I'm guessing you're a little baby playing online.
Read at least one of John Boswell's arguments and get back to me. If you're not willing to read a single essay in defense of 'divinity'…well, you're too stupid for God. Sorry.
Brian Stanton Elmore …You need to face the truth yourself of what you are facing and not look for crutches with John Boswell. Perhaps you need to read James Boswell instead of a queer academic…of which there are many. I have met more than one. Creepy to say the least!……..
I'm bored with you. I have bigger fish to fry. Crawl off you little Homo Worm.
Brian Stanton Elmore …You need to face the truth yourself of what you are facing and not look for crutches with John Boswell…who died of AIDS at the tender age of 47….Not very smart don't you think? So why would I waste my time reading sexual deviant apologetics when I am loaded up with real knowledge that is very useful for one who has wisdom? Perhaps you need to read James Boswell instead of a queer academic…of which there are many. I have met more than one. Creepy to say the least!……..
I'm bored with you. I have bigger fish to fry. Crawl off you little Homo Worm and culture fraud.
Brian Stanton Elmore …You need to face the truth yourself of what you are facing and not look for crutches with John Boswell…who died of AIDS at the tender age of 47….Not very smart don't you think? So why would I waste my time reading sexual deviant apologetics when I am loaded up with real knowledge that is very useful for one who has wisdom? Perhaps you need to read James Boswell instead of a queer academic…of which there are many. I have met more than one. Creepy to say the least!……..
I'm bored with you. I have bigger fish to fry. Crawl off you little Homo Worm and culture fraud.
Yeah, that's cool. Didn't read. An older person would have, and would've offered a decent/respectable rebuttal.
But I thank God for the Internet, since it allows trolls to troll in a terrible way, while anyone with literacy can repute them. And, due to the nature of the Internet, the failures of bigots last forever. This will be the new 'digs' of the future to determine how backwards some people are.
Brian Stanton Elmore….Poor John Boswell. His wasted a good mind on defending sexual perversions and he could not keep from dying of AIDS….and you insult me?…. That is almost laughable ..if it was not so pathetic.
Repent, believe and trust the Gospel…..while you still have time. Read John in the Bible ..slowly and carefully. It's either true or a lie. It's up to you to decide.
Les Redmon You realized your grandchildren will laugh at your hatred. Nothing to repent Christ said NOTHING about homosexuality
Les Redmon You bring up AIDS as if it does not affect a huge amount of 'straight' people as well. People who have the institution of marriage to turn to, as well as acceptance from society. If you cannot understand the implications of that…
I'm not insulting you, it's just sad to see someone living in denial. You will be tossed aside by your religion in the future, no different than 'Christians' who defended slavery, subjugation of women, and so on. It's only a matter of time. Which, if the profile pic is accurate, you wouldn't have as much to be expected.
The Bible verses you quote are as easily turned towards death and destruction, as despots have proven in the past. Only a truly introspective and philosophical reading can separate the misinterpretations from divinity.
Les Redmon : We get it, Les — this IS a life and death struggle for you are you just DYING to go out and bed a few men….
Brian Stanton Elmore , huge amount of straight? Maybe you should do some stat checks and see what % homosexuals have AIDs/HIV as part of their group and then compare the % of straights that have it as part of their group and get back with us…oh and less not forget how AIDs made it to US in the first place and what community it spread in first and bi-sexuals brought it over the straight community. There is a reason why "you got bent over" is a derogatory remark in the business and straight word…it's anti-masculine one thing homosexuals don't like to go up against because they will lose they rather attack Christians. When in fact the vast majority of beat downs dished out to homosexuals are not by church going Christians, but by truly masculine males who find being a homosexual male an afront to masculinity and a perverse sickness. Don't believe me try going to Warlock motorcycle bar sometime acting like a flamer and see if you make out of the parking lot, I can guarantee you it has zero to do with religion or any one there being a "Christian".
Les Redmon Oh, is that what happened? Hmmm, I thought it was because I wanted to shag guys. Silly me.
Heywood Jablueme I am sorry for your learning disability. It must be very difficult going through life without the ability to read properly.
To reiterate, my post accounted for discrepancies for the rates. It's part and parcel of the 'underclass' status. Treat an entire group like demons unfairly and it will cause those problems. You are most likely one of those people who confuse the terms 'correlation' and 'causation.' Read some literature on black demographic studies done in the late 19th and early 20 centuries.
Also, I'm not sure why you are advocating the actions of large, dumb, barbarians. Typically, someone would advocate the positives of civilized society, not the barbarism associated with unwashed masses. Unless you, yourself are unwashed, and in that case I applaud your ability to even spell.
Les Redmon… If you confuse the bulk of your argument, your argument therefore becomes invalid.
And since you feel like need to bring up our family, I guess we'll talk about our family. We were raised Catholic, and my mother and I are still practicing Catholics. I go to church every Sunday and every Holy Day of Obligation, go to Confession around every Easter and Christmas, and try to keep a Christian attitude everywhere I go (I explain this not to toot my own horn, but to prove it is possible to live by the word of God and also refrain from ignorance)… and I do all that and STILL accept my brother for who he is, regardless of his sexual orientation. And if you think that is wrong of me, set down the Bible for 5 seconds and think about what it takes to be a decent human being. Everyone has his or her opinion, but do not force your beliefs on someone to change them. My brother cannot change this about himself; it is part of who he is.
Also, my parents are VERY proud of my brother and so am I (we do not just applaud, but give a standing ovation). His "old friends" are still his friends and support him no matter what… and you know why? Because my brother's sexuality is only one facet. Why must his sexuality define him? Does yours and mine define us?
I'm sure you've heard "Only God can judge me."
I feel as though I have conducted myself in a calm manner, but I say this: how dare you compare my brother to an animal, call him a sexual deviant, and mock NKU. I pity your ignorance… you'll be in my prayers. I hope one day you'll realize your hateful words and judgements were wrong… and I'm sure God will forgive you. You guys seem pretty tight.
Brian Stanton Elmore nice OT reply weak as usual. Can't just post the stats, but then I am sure you're used to being "bent over" and being on the losing end of debates…
Brian Stanton Elmore nice OT reply weak as usual. Can't just post the stats, but then I am sure you're used to being "bent over" and being on the losing end of debates…
I am used to replies going over the heads of my intellectual inferiors. You have demonstrated no ability of understanding either correlation or causation, and to put numbers in front of you would be no different than attempting to explain Hayek's austerity measures to a cow.
You should leave now. It's your feeding time. I can reconsider debating with an obvious troll account, if the troll can put the necessary effort into understanding what they are trolling about. At the very least, you'll get an education, which you're sorely lacking at this point.
Les Redmon how dare you decided for me if I (or anyone else here) will get into Heaven? God will be the only one to decide if our relationship with Him is worthy of His eternal Shabbat. You do not know what personal relationship each one of us has with God, and therefore are putting yourself up to play God when you make statements such as "You are in for a BIG surprise if you don't repent and believe the Gospel." One thing you forget– not everyone here is Christian. God chose the Hebrew people, and all of their descendants and gave them Torah (as well as the Oral Torah)– if those of Jewish descent follow Torah (not the Gospels as you so like to say) then they will be "saved" — remember, when God gave Torah in it He makes it clear "you and all of your descendants" and "do these for all time"– He didn't say "until I send my Son down to change things" and He did not say "until I change my mind or do away with these things." God is forever and therefore Jews do not need the Gospels to be Saved. I personally feel that the Gospels are good teaching tools, BUT what they teach is Torah. Jesus was a Jew, as were his early followers. So the ONLY thing they taught was lessons from and about Torah.
Norse mythology, Celtic mythology, Roman mythology, Greek mythology, Christian mythology…. I see a pattern =)
Fact is for many people it is not ok to be gay and has nothing to do with some who are gay thinking it's ok to be gay.