Oct 5, 2012
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Conservative students at Azusa Pacific University, an evangelical Christian university near Los Angeles, have been blocked from starting a chapter of Young Americans for Freedom because the school took issue with the group’s principles.
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The YAF is a program sponsored by the Young America’s Foundation — dedicated to introducing young people to the ideas of individual freedom, a strong national defense, free enterprise and traditional values. The foundation also owns and preserves the Reagan Ranch.
Patrick Coyle, vice president of the Young America’s Foundation, said they were approached by students who wanted to be recognized as a YAF chapter.
“They were told by the administrators that they could not change their name because they had looked at our website and didn’t like the language we used,” Coyle told Fox News.
University administrators said they have absolutely no problem with conservative clubs — but they did have an issue with YAF — and references on their website to liberal professors and radical feminists who are trying to take over college campuses across the nation.
Ashley Blackwell was one of the students hoping to launch the YAF chapter. She is currently the president of the Young Conservatives club on campus.
“It is really disappointing that a school, which promotes diversity and uses the mantra ‘everyone matters,’ would ban an existing club from changing its name,” she told Breitbart.com — which first reported the incident.
So Coyle called Chuck Strawn, the director of the university’s “Office of Communiversity.”
“I asked if there were any written rules the students had violated and he said no,” Coyle said. “He said it was just their opinion.”
He said the specific language Azusa Pacific took issue with is:
“Are you tired of liberal ideas dominating your campus? Are you tired of liberal and Marxist professors indoctrinating your classmates? Do you want to advance conservatism?
“If you answered yes, then you should start a Young Americans for Freedom chapter. YAF chapters make a difference by boldly advancing freedom and conservatism.
“Radical feminists, big government bureaucrats, fringe environmentalists, race-baiters, Islamo-fascists, and run of the mill leftists are distraught that you would even think about promoting conservative ideas.”
“It is even more frustrating that this censorship isn’t even due to school rules or policy,” Blackwell told Breitbart.com. “They just don’t agree with language on YAF’s website about colleges having liberal professors. I guess the truth hurts.”
Coyle agreed, noting, “I think that it’s very arrogant on their part to say what students can call their own group. That should be up to the students — and not the administrators.”
Jennifer Walsh, the associate dean for Azusa Pacific’s college of liberal arts, was a part of the discussions that ultimately led to the group being banned.
“We are sensitive to the need to make sure we are keeping our Christ-centered identity first and not allow students to align themselves with groups that are overtly partisan,” she told Fox News.
Walsh confirmed that the university’s student life director “was a little troubled” by some of the language on the YAF website.
“The (website) seemed to be intentionally pitched to students who are facing a hostile learning environment,” she said. “That’s not what we have at Azusa Pacific.”
She said the university ultimately determined the club would not be a good fit.
“It wasn’t so much that YAF is promoting conservative views,” she said. “It was more that it didn’t match the climate on campus. It might encourage discourse that is overtly partisan.”
The university does not have a College Republican or Young Democrat group. Instead, they offer a conservative club and a progressive club.
Walsh said it was “unfortunate this student has created a firestorm” over what she called a misunderstanding.
“We’re trying to avoid those same polarizing discourses that are happening in society,” she said. “Not that we don’t have healthy deliberation. We do. But we tend to do it from a biblical perspective — which encourages unity rather than divisiveness.”
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Exactly what the liberal and Maxist professors wanted to hear. Obama claims to a Christian. Not much difference from this university. CINO
Joshua 5:10-14 (with certain liberties taken) "Now when Joshua was near Jericho, he looked up and saw a man standing in front of him with a drawn sword in his hand. Joshua went up to him and asked, 'Are you [a conservative] or [a progressive]?' 'Neither', he replied…
So how am I to treat my (misguided) liberal brother in Christ? Am I not to love him and treat him gently, recognizing the unity in Christ we enjoy?
Also, for the sake of consistency, if this school was being attacked for refusing to allow some liberal-issue club, we would be standing up for their right as a private, Christian school to decide for themselves what was appropriate and not. It sounds like this particular rejection was based on Christian principles, not politics. Let it be.
Just curious, but did anyone ask the the university why it took this position?
I think the DOJ should get involved and make the university do the right thing and allow this group. Oh yea the DOJ is on the liberal side sorry.
A Public School that may be prudent, a Private school no way should the government get involved. Because one may not like their position, it is their's to have and a choice in the end to attend.
Well, the liberal mentality…if you can't convert them…stop them! So sick of the PC crp!
I took the time to look at the apu clubs and organizations. they have young conservatives and students for life clubs. sounds conservative to me. each club requires faculty and staff involvement, which takes time and money. it's impossible to allow every club to be an official university organization.
i also read their statement of faith, which may enlighten this discussion. honestly, I cannot see how such a student club fits with their mission, values, core beliefs, and essence statement.
Azusa is NOT a Christian college. They fell away from its foundations years ago.
this is unfortunately not the case. If it was, then I am crazy. I have been transformed by the love of God and His saving grace sine my first day at APU. My professors have pushed me to go deeper into The Word, my pastors have come along side me and challenged me to love as all of us are called to. Through APU I have traveled the world, actively being a part of the global Church and have seen God move in incredible ways. I am radically confronted with the living God every day I am at this wonderful University, and am lost for words in describing out thankful I am that God has called me and allowed me to be at APU.
I am glad to hear that, David.
You are disgustingly misinformed. I am a Christian, and an APU double alumnus, and ex-staff member. I know 100's of great god-fearing people who have come through APU. I wish you wouldn't be so quick to slander your own brothers and sisters.
This is a Private University, they are free to make the rules of conduct as they see fit within their realm of influence. If one does not like the rules, they do not have to chose to attend. Though I may not agree with their position (The University), I fully support their right to take and hold such a position without interference from the Government regardless if one agrees or disagrees with their dogma.
But that being said, I would agree of the right of those students applying public pressure as they are to attempt to affect a change and also stand for what they believe.
As long as the rule applies to all. Not select.
This restores my hope in "religious" people! Could this actually be he long-awaited, long-hoped for fracturing of the Evangelical-Conservative alliance that has so damaged America! Could evangelicals actually be developing "religious values"? Could the Great Hypocrisy finally be nearing an end!
AMEN! I say it loud and proudly, AMEN! Can I get another "AMEN!" people!
The students are not violating any written by-laws or campus policies by changing thier name. Thus the admins decision to ban them is completly arbitrary and based on nothing more than there personal opinions. Not something I would have expected from a "christian" acadamy.
Christ said that he came to bring division not unity,
Luk 12:51 Suppose yes that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
Luk 12:52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
Luk 12:53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Many of the comments here are written by people who seem to think that they, and they alone, possess the 'truth'. And, yes, Nancy Law, 'truth' is multiple choice. You, like all of us, pick and choose the tenets of morality by which we live our lives. Most of us fail at some point and try to do better in the future. I try to do the right thing as much as I can, not because of the fear of damnation and eternal hellfire, but because it is the right thing to do.
If you feel that this school is wrong in not allowing a group they feel creates hostility, then, by all means, don't attend or send your children there. But if you don't realize that your narrow view of the world is not the only valid philosophy, be prepared for a lifetime of disappointment. If you live your life in disappointment in the perceived failures of others, you will be a very disappointing individual.
Although I don't like it, I recognize that most of our Christian colleges have either gone or are moving towards PC to keep their enrollment numbers up (especially those universities in the west – like APU); however, for a so-called Christian college to presume that 'individual freedoms, a strong national defense, free enterprise and traditional values' (the position of Young America's Foundation) could possibly breed a 'hostile learning environment' – this is absolutely preposterous. For goodness sakes…YAF owns & manages Ronald Reagan's Ranch! I guess the greatest president of our time probably wouldn't be welcomed there either!
Looks their they are correct in their prinicples based on the university's reaction.
Not passing judgment on the merits of the club, but the University's decision to 'sit in judgment' of the appropriateness of this group smacks of anything but freedom to have civil discourse and civil exchange of ideas. Typical, cowardly, close-minded liberals, they know they cannot win in the arena of ideas, censorship (and this is a form of it) is there ultimate recourse.
Read the article.Pathetic that they would ban a group that is standing up for right and good.
Did either of you comprehend that they are not banning the group, they are just not letting it change it's name nor become affiliated with an outside interest group.
Kyle David Greenberg Yes I comprehended that. Do you understand Rosa Parks wasn't banned from the bus? She just couldn't sit where she wanted to.
This group wants to change their name and the University has put itself in the position of making a qualitative judgement about the merits of that name.
Not passing judgment on the merits of the club, but the University's decision to 'sit in judgment' of the appropriateness of this group smacks of anything but freedom to have civil discourse and civil exchange of ideas. Typical, cowardly, close-minded liberals, they know they cannot win in the arena of ideas, censorship (and this is a form of it) is there ultimate recourse.
As an Azusa grad (76), I 'm proud of the stand they took! Thanks APU. Rev. Mark Heiss
thanks mark.
Very cool.
As an Azusa grad (76), I 'm proud of the stand they took! Thanks APU. Rev. Mark Heiss
And while the rest of the nation is still sleeping, we'll be bidding America good-bye…
I have a hard time believing someone is a Christian and a Democrat. That is just an oxymoron. They are antithetical to one another.
I have a hard time believing someone is a Christian and a Democrat. That is just an oxymoron. They are antithetical to one another.
On the converse side of things, there are Christian Democrats who believe that Republican ideology is not biblical. Like myself.
I'm a Christian, and I agree with the position Azusa is taking on this. Master's College is a nearby Christian private school that takes a much more conservative stance on some of these issues than Azusa. These students could have chosen to attend Master's if complete theological agreement with certain of their views was so important to them. Azusa is clear about what it takes a strong stand on and what it doesn't, and why, as is Master's.
I'm guessing that one thing these students consider to be radical feminism is allowing women to be pastors/spiritual leaders. Do they really think it is a good idea to sign up for college at a Christian university that allows female pastors, and then essentially begin a hostile campaign that would lead to those women at Azusa being fired, and students majoring in those fields to be redirected to some other major? I don't admire that kind of hostile approach to making their case.
In I Cor. 9:19-23, Paul said he would be "all things to all people" in furtherance of the gospel. If Christians offend others, it should be because we must make the key points necessary to spread the gospel, not because we choose to say things in the most hostile way we can think of when we disagree with others.
The labels used by these students on their website select the most hostile, emotionally charged words possible when referring to positions with which they disagree. Incendiary language may fire up those who agree, but it is not going to convince anyone who disagrees. I think it is a very self-serving thing to do.
Christians needs to say things as nicely as possible. They need to do so with an attitude of humility toward those who disagree, knowing that our knowledge on this earth is incomplete (1 Cor. 13: 12,13) and on some things we may find out later that we are mistaken or had only partial understanding.
I'm a Christian, and I agree with the position Azusa is taking on this. Master's College is a nearby Christian private school that takes a much more conservative stance on some of these issues than Azusa. These students could have chosen to attend Master's if complete theological agreement with certain of their views was so important to them. Azusa is clear about what it takes a strong stand on and what it doesn't, and why, as is Master's.
I'm guessing that one thing these students consider to be radical feminism is allowing women to be pastors/spiritual leaders. Do they really think it is a good idea to sign up for college at a Christian university that allows female pastors, and then essentially begin a hostile campaign that would lead to those women at Azusa being fired, and students majoring in those fields to be redirected to some other major? I don't admire that kind of hostile approach to making their case.
In I Cor. 9:19-23, Paul said he would be "all things to all people" in furtherance of the gospel. If Christians offend others, it should be because we must make the key points necessary to spread the gospel, not because we choose to say things in the most hostile way we can think of when we disagree with others.
The labels used by these students on their website select the most hostile, emotionally charged words possible when referring to positions with which they disagree. Incendiary language may fire up those who agree, but it is not going to convince anyone who disagrees. I think it is a very self-serving thing to do.
Christians needs to say things as nicely as possible. They need to do so with an attitude of humility toward those who disagree, knowing that our knowledge on this earth is incomplete (1 Cor. 13: 12,13) and on some things we may find out later that we are mistaken or had only partial understanding.
One student made this comment: Coyle agreed, noting, “I think that it’s very arrogant on their part to say what students can call their own group. That should be up to the students — and not the administrators.”
I think its time for balance in academia. The liberals have taken over many colleges and universities because we let them. The result is that other views have been banned in American society. I would like to think Azusa would pursue a balanced approach.
I also really dislike how liberalism tries to silence those who disagree, Lyndell. So far, Sherlin has encountered no negative consequences for her beliefs at Azusa. If she does, she is prepared to engage in discussion–apologetics is something we focused on. I don't think the issue in the article above involved any kind of hostility toward those students beliefs, did it? The administration is basically saying they don't want them to use a certain name for their club because the language it is associated with is more harsh than what they choose to allow. They didn't even try to stop student discussion of the issues, did they?
School administrators will stand firm against anything which challenges their leftist stance.
Please define OVERLY partisan?
This is so interesting… I am a fairly recent APU alumni (graduated in 2010), and think the assumptions being made in these comments are way off.
APU is still a very conservative evangelical Christian school. There is a fair amount of professors, and a decent amount of the student body, that might accurately be labeled "progressive" Christians. But I think overall, the campus environment is pretty conservative. This is not the only group that hasn't been allowed to exist as a school-sponsored club. A gay-straight alliance was not allowed while I was a student there, because the organization's mission did not line up with the school's values. I am positive that if students proposed a student group that was on the other side of this (ie, "are you tired of right wing fundamentalist professors indoctrinating our Christian youth..), the university would take the same stance.
I must say that I appreciate the effort that APU makes to create space for discussion and conversation on real issues that face students that don't fit the "typical" APU mold. I was pretty active in advocacy on campus for minority and LGBT students, and while I often felt frustrated, I always felt like the administration and student life community was always willing to engage in difficult conversations through a Christ-centered lens.
But with that said, if you want a fundamentalist Christian school that explicitly supports right-wing politics at the expense of creating a space that is welcoming for other perspectives within the Christian community, then APU is probably not the place for you. And I am proud of my alma mater for that.
I am a current APU student, and I want to thank you for this comment. This reminded me of early Christian apologetics, which you have done very well. looks like APU is putting out some great people!
David, you are spot on; Rod is one of the best people I have ever known.
As an alumnus of APU, of both undergrad and graduate programs, I proudly support my alma mater.
APU did that student club a favor. The club is already known on campus as being ridiculously polarized. Had the club been given permission to change the name and align more closely with YAF then I believe the community would have taken them even less seriously.
The student body of APU does an amazing job of integrating elements from numerous worldviews and political platforms. There is very little patience for ideas that are clearly polarized just for the sake of party-lines.
And I agree that any group with a platform and using phrases such as opposing radical feminists and islamo-fascists is quite clearly lacking academic integrity.
APU does a world of good, and the administration is comprised of many people I have known personally for a long time. These people are sincere, honest, moral, ethical, hard-working, and godly people. I trust their judgement about 99% of the time.
I don't know if I quite agree with APU *99*% of the time, but I have to agree that it can be a great place and this decision will help it to stay that way by further encouraging diverse, sincere, and respectful discourse.
Haha, hey Pete.
I said I trust them 99% of the time. Not that I agree with them 99% of the time.
Wow. This is great.
As a member of APUs most recent May graduates I find the vast majority of these comments troubling, and I presume most of my class would as well. However, I think we should keep it up, because putting our torches together we can burn a legion of Straw Men and I know we all love bonfires.
As a recent graduate from APU and self-proclaimed conservative, I am appalled by this terribly misleading piece of journalism. APU hardly censors conservative ideas, as this article implies. There are several conservative leaning clubs on campus, including a Students In Free Enterprise chapter, and a very active Koch Foundation chapter. In addition, APU also has a Political Science Honors Society that works hard to stimulate political conversation on both ends of the spectrum on campus (they held an impressively balanced and professional forum debating the merits and pitfalls of Obamacare last semester). In light of APU’s other campus clubs, their decision to deny YAF official club status (i.e. school funding) can hardly be viewed as political muzzling.
I can't believe all of the ignorant comments on this article. you are full of hate. as an APU alumnus, I can say that I really didn't care for the school too much. what I am most offended by is the way that so many of you can make such harsh judgments without having any affiliation with the university and using "jesus" to do it. I don't know what bible you read or what jesus you believe in, but he is certainly not the one described in the gospels. you think you have the market corner on christianity, and you use common american rhetoric to support your violent and polarizing political agendas. you are the pharisees. you take your hate and try to conform your christianity to it. instead of creating a worldview around the love of christ, you want to see the great american jesus smash all competing worldviews. your christ is feeble and submits to american ideologues. guess what? christianity is 2000 years old and has gone through countless developments. think about how many nations put jesus as their poster-boy and their citizens thought they were apart of some godly heaven on earth? basically every country in the western world has gone through that phase. jesus christ unites all people through his love and takes care of the thieves, prostitutes, and tax collectors. jesus was not political, for his "kingdom is not of this world. if it were, [his] servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now [his] kingdom is from another place." john 18:36.
Well said, proud of who you've become
Well said, proud of who you've become
Thanks Drew!
those of you with zero experience with APU other than this article should remain silent.
Well said. I am a political conservative and agree with many of the political views of those I also feel are going too far with this. Politics is one thing, and many of the views, more particularly being pro-life and freedom of worship, may in fact reflect Biblical views. But acting like a modern-day pharasee is something else and doesn't reflect Christ's teachings. I have trouble with the term "so called Christian" that I've seen here and heard many times. No Christian denomination or realm is perfect, and I've seen the disagreement on posts here that I've seen in my spiritual journey. It is no wonder why I have issues with religion and often mistrust it.
Working against polarization doesn't make APU a spineless school obsessed with being PC. It just means they don't want to endorse an organization that partakes in name-calling and fear-obsessed politics. It might also suggest that they don't think that being aligned with a certain political group is what makes one a Christian. It's times like these when I am proud of my alma matter. It's far from perfect, but it was on that campus that I first realized it was possible to be a part of Christian community and not feel manipulated or held up to impossible standards. I think it was there that I started to feel free for maybe the first time in my life.
Working against polarization doesn't make APU a spineless school obsessed with being PC. It just means they don't want to endorse an organization that partakes in name-calling and fear-obsessed politics. It might also suggest that they don't think that being aligned with a certain political group is what makes one a Christian. It's times like these when I am proud of my alma matter. It's far from perfect, but it was on that campus that I first realized it was possible to be a part of Christian community and not feel manipulated or held up to impossible standards. I think it was there that I started to feel free for maybe the first time in my life.
The title is ridiculous, too. APU has a conservative and a progressive club, but it chooses to refrain from endorsing bipartisan politics. I was really proud too when I read this today.
yeah. and they're just settling the score. ban the lgbt folks, ban the conservos. you know, fair and balanced.
yeah. and they're just settling the score. ban the lgbt folks, ban the conservos. you know, fair and balanced.
i'm just sayin… fredom of association (or affiliation) is part of freedom of speech.
apu has neither banned lgbt nor conservative crowds. There is actually a large and vocal population of each group on campus.
As an Alumni of APU who has, and will be, spending thousands of my own dollars on APU, I could not be more proud of my investment in university that upholds the integrity of intelligence, critical thinking, and pursuit of what it means to live like Christ. APU is not banning conservatism or "traditional values" — It has a Young Conservatives Club and a Students for Life Club. Rather It is not allowing an association with a club that uses unkind and uncalled for language to describe a school population that it has no experience with (until now). I'm disappointed in my brother and sisters if that has become the defintion of "Christian" or "Unchristian."
Healthy conversation where people can both speak and be heard can be incredibly powerful. It is not for the sake for political connectedness but rather for the opportunity to learn. But allowing polarizing clubs that use terminology to unfairly attack faculty and student bodies as a way to "defend freedom" and free speech seems to be more divisive than influential. If the goal of the club is to keep a band of same-thinking people latched.
together, then it limits the opportunity to not only have the club's voices heard, much less taken seriously.
My own opinions and thinking have been challenged from both sides of the spectrum as I have been pushed to think about things beyond what I was comfortable with, both from a "conservative Christian side" and a "liberal side." I will forever be grateful for the opportunity to have been challenged by professors, faculty, and staff to really seek to understand what it means to live like Christ among my APU community, Azusa Community, and the community I now work in.
It is deeply saddening to me to see and hear so many misguided comments from people who have never experienced a life or education an APU. Honestly, if it weren't for my experience at APU, and the Christ-like witness of the lives of so many people around me, I don't know if I would have taken seriously what it means to be a Christian. The students, staff, and faculty at APU are some the kindest, most gracious, generous, loving, fair, intelligent, just and Godly people I have ever had the privilege of knowing.
I would typically never comment on an issue like this, and I hate arguing about the association between politics and religion, but it makes me sick to stand by and see so many misguided comments attempting to damage the reputation of an institution that has been so important to the growth of myself and so many people that I know.
So well said!!!
Love it. Love you.
Yes. This.
Wooooow Nemesia thank you so much for posting this! What the heck is wrong with people? Isn't apu the same school who upholds traditional values even when people get mad and claim they have too many rules. This is sad to see.
Agreed
i actually heard that showing up to chapel before 9: 40 and fillling out a scantron made you a christian, oh ya and sitting where they tell you.
If you look up the definition of Christian in the Bible, I'm 85 % sure that's what it says. But I think it's 9:35, unless the line is really long.
come back!!!!
Notice that you don't have any negative comments from the Conservative loudmouths here, calling you to task, and labeling you a "jealous, hateful, discriminatory libtard" or something of the like? I guess idiotic caricatures and epithets fall pretty fast when put up against someone who can walk the walk of being "Christian"?
Nemesia, thank you for representing both Christ and Azusa Pacific University with thoughtfulness, grace and integrity. I am deeply saddened, as you are, with the hasty and ill-informed responses that are so quick to judge. I have to wonder how many have researched the mantra of YAF and tried to think about the plausible rationale behind a Christ-centered institution simply preferring to hold their students to a higher standard of dialogue, regardless of their political and moral compass. You have done yourself, and your university, proud…
I'm waiting for Starnes to inevitably explain how this ban is the fault of atheists/ secular humanists like me. Because of course, in the end, it must.
What is Christianity? what makes someone a Christian? All we have right now is just more yelling and yelling instead of listening to someone. ATM I see this and I think ok… so? APU is a private school in which their motto is "God First" and the biggest theme of the new testament is love. ATM there is just more and more yelling. what is the point? we are going to extremes. what happen to love? The school listen to the students club and saw something that is not love. What are they suppose to do? They left the conservative club stay but not another with ideas which forgets love. I am not align with any political party but I would probably think of myself as a conservative person. It's times like these I feel we forgot who we are as a church. At the end of the day we need to "love our neighbor" Sometimes that means simply listening and come to discourse; not yelling and leaning to who's more charming at the time.
Wth?!?!?
What's the school's overall approach to political groups? On the face on it, David these people look highly shady, to put it mildly.
An article from earlier in the year that talks about APU's campus "climate".
http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?ID=3024
If you wish to analyze the APU campus "climate" I urge you to seek the perspective of the other 5,200 undergraduate students, not to mention graduate students, staff members and alumni. A sample from the same girl is hardly a representation of the majority.
Additional sources:
APU's statement: http://www.yaf.org/APU-blocks-YAF-chapter.aspx
YAF's statement: http://www.yaf.org/APU-blocks-YAF-chapter.aspx
APU's statement: http://www.apu.edu/media/news/mediaalert/19411/
See below for numerous comments from APU alumni speaking on behalf of their experience at the university.
http://www.apu.edu/media/news/mediaalert/19411/
Wow, I'm actually really proud of APU.
It's just so sad that Apu is just not as "salty" as it once was. It's a shame when such a "light" school goes and accepts "darkness". "real americans" should wonder why the "liberal media" isn't "picking up on this".
It's just so sad that Apu is just not as "salty" as it once was. It's a shame when such a "light" school goes and accepts "darkness". "real americans" should wonder why the "liberal media" isn't "picking up on this".
This is not a true statement. APU did not ban any club from starting on campus. They released a statement the other day saying this is completely false. here is there statement.
http://www.apu.edu/media/news/mediaalert/19411/
Get facts straight before putting down any group of people.
yay brandon! and it WOULD be fox… just saying.
To anyone actually interested in objective journalism, here is APU's oficial PR response to the incidents reported in this article:
http://www.apu.edu/media/news/mediaalert/19411/
That's a good statement from APU.