Aug 4, 2012
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An elderly Chicago street preacher was harassed by protesters outside a Chick-fil-A restaurant as police in at least two cities investigate acts of vandalism allegedly by vandals upset over the company’s support for traditional marriage.
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Artist Manny Castro, who said he is a homosexual, confessed to The Huffington Post that he was responsible for vandalizing a Chick-fil-A restaurant in Torrance, Calif.
“I’m against what these people stand for, what this company stands for,” he told The Huffington Post. “They’re trying to take away what little rights we already have.”
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Castro spray painted “Tastes Like Hate” on the side of the restaurant. He called his criminal activity “art” and denied he broke the law.
“It’s paint on a wall,” he said. It got removed in less than an hour. It’s not that much of a crime — it’s a protest.”
“I thought of the photographs from 40 years ago of Christians protesting blacks marrying whites,” said Castro. “It is the same thing.”
Police told the LA Daily News they are investigating the incident.
A second incident occurred in Missouri. Someone spray painted “don’t hate” on brick walls and “tastes like hate,” at a Chick-fil-A in Des Peres, television station KMOV reported.
In Chicago a group of protesters surrounded an elderly street preacher outside the city’s lone Chick-fil-A restaurant. Video of the incident was posted on the website legalinsurrection.com.
The protesters ridiculed and mocked the man — using chalk to write insulting messages on the sidewalk. One of the messages read, “He’s really gay deep down.”
“I do hate God,” one protester screamed at the elderly man as someone waved a rainbow flag. “Then your Bible is in itself immoral. I am tired of your hypocrisy, sir.”
In other acts of violence, a Chick-fil-A restaurant in Martinsburg, West Va. was evacuated after someone called in a bomb threat. The threat was later deemed a hoax. In Greenville, South Carolina, a man was arrested after he blocked the drive-thru of a Chick-fil-A with his vehicle.
Click here for photographs from the Chick-fil-A Kiss-In promoted by homosexual activists.
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If this is how these people behave then maybe they don't need gay marriage legalized..screw em, they want to act like scumbag thugs, then they can bite it..literally! hatefilled pos's
To be fair, it's not like the groups of gay people at these Chick-fil-a's are true representatives of an entire culture. Plenty of gay conservatives or non-protesting types out there not upset with Chick-fil-a.
The only problem are the haters in general. People just need to mind their own business unless they are directly affected by the actions of someone.
Wendy, are you suggesting that oppressing all gay people is fine because of how a few gay people behave? You do know that many heterosexual people behave this badly, don't you?
I thank them everyday for how they are playing this out. Indiana vote on gay marriage is this year. If it passes, and it will, we get to vote on the ban next year. Again I say thank you for those acting the way the are acting.
Mike Smith, well said. Wide-Brushing is everywhere, on all sides. We shouldn't condemn a whole culture because of these haters. Gang up on a lone individual is too typical of liberal "equity".
David Myers, since you support the hate depicted here, we know which side of the hate line you stand. Go lay by your dish.
The preacher was equating Gay people to pigs and Satan. He was being loud and rude while using his Bible to interupt the event with the intent of shaming peoples life styles. He has his right to free speech, just as I had every right to call him out on his bullshit. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that ass hat Christian's can't be called out for being dick heads by other dick heads.
Besides the video is biased and edits out the shit he was saying to make him look like a victim. This "preacher" was nothing but a bigot. I asked and he agreed that Deuteronomy 22:24, which states raped women who do not scream loud enough should be stone, should be followed. He also said "lazy sons" should be stoned to death as well.
Fuck that guy and fuck any of you who agree with him.
@Mike Smith-if you notice those who turned out in support of Chick-Fil-A were peaceful. That speaks volumes about the kind of people they were as in turn does the behavior shown here. If they want respect they need to show some and stop behaving like spoiled children who don't get their way. I'm not against gay marriage, but the more they try to shove it down my throat, the more I'm against it. They're making more enemies than friends by behaving this way.
Mike Smith – the problem, though, is why don't Gays in general condemn these imbeciles at claim to speak for them?
Mike…Shhhh…you are speaking sense and it seems there is little room for that here.
Dan Hydar Its not a problem. Why dont animal lovers come out in droves to say they dont agree with the idiots at Peta? Why arent christians constantly seperating themselves from Westboro? Its because large demographics contain several types and subtypes of its own kind. Its a huge and inrealistic brush to use when expecting any culture or group to define itself against any action you deem unwanted.
Dan Hydar Its not a problem. Why dont animal lovers come out in droves to say they dont agree with the idiots at Peta? Why arent christians constantly seperating themselves from Westboro? Its because large demographics contain several types and subtypes of its own kind. Its a huge and inrealistic brush to use when expecting any culture or group to define itself against any action you deem unwanted.
Mark Harrison Exactly!
Wendy Brock apparently you don't know how thugs behave, their passive-aggressive behavior is nowhere near thuggish, passive aggressive behavior is not thuggish. Also, I doubt they want "Same-Sex" Marriage legalized cause of your own connivance but rather for your empathy of humanity to their American civil liberty of marriage. It seem as if you think legalizing same- sex marriage is a hand out. No, it is not, it is a right in America and choice that any couple should be able to participate in
Mark Harrison – "Why dont[sic] animal lovers come out in droves to say they dont agree with the idiots at Peta?" Because PETA claims to speak for *animals*, not animal lovers. Most animals don't watch the news.
When hateful people claim to represent me, I object. What don't gays do the same. You aren't equating gays with… animals, are you?
Richards Omar – "It seem as if you think legalizing same- sex marriage is a hand out. No, it is not, it is a right in America" Um, if it's a "right", how come noby had *heard* of it a few decades ago? How come every state where it's been put to a vote it's been rejected?
Dan Hydar Marriage is a Right/Civil Liberty in America. I is just not awarded to same sex couples or recognized by our Government
You're slippin Dan Hydar. Insults and rediculous logic is the last refuge of a defeated spoken word. You are almost there. Hold onto that hat my friend.
also I try not to make assumptions to peoples actions but states like NY NH VT RI have legalized it, the state that rejected it I assume it is because self-righteous religious people who lack the empathy for others
Richards Omar – "Marriage is a Right/Civil Liberty in America" Other than marriage as it';s been defined in every culture (male + female) and in the sense the majority of human cultures have used ( *one* male and *one* female) and even then, within the bounds of reasonable regulations (age, mental capacity, consent, &c.)
"I is just not awarded to same sex couples or recognized by our Government" Which makes a hash of your claim that same-sex "marriage *is* a right "right in America". Perhaps you just misstated your position in your initial post?
Richards Omar – "states like NY NH VT RI have legalized it" Not by a vote, which what I stated. States that put it to a vote have always rejected redefining marriage to suit your whims.
Mark Harrison – "Insults and rediculous[sic] logic is the last refuge of a defeated spoken word." Please rephrase your comment in a way that it will make sense. Thanks in advance!
(I've found, that when people make statements such as yours, it means that they really don't have much to say. After all, bogus logic can be refuted. Simply misspelling "ridiculous" is not a refutation.)
Dan Hydar I stated "It (Marriage) is a right in America and choice that any couple "should" be able to participate in." I consider marriage to be a union between individuals
Civil rights should not need to be voted on but awarded
Richards Omar – Actually, what you said was this : "It seem as if you think legalizing same- sex marriage is a hand out. No, it is not, it is a right in America and choice that any couple should be able to participate in "
It would seem that the rather convoluted phrasing didn't convey what you meant. Similarly, your notion of rights being "awarded" seems to be incompatible with the American view of inalienable rights. Your apparent notion that rights should be "awarded" not by the People, but by some elite government authority seems equally alien to our system of governmental.
Mark Harrison "Insults"
BTW, please give an example of an "insults" writing by me in this thread. Or, retract your falsehood.
Richard Omar-the more you talk like its a right the less I want to agree with you. you have the right to free speech, the right to peaceful (note PEACEFUL) assembly, the right to bear arms and freedom of religion. nowhere in our constitution does it say you have the right to marry whomever you want. this is certainly a new thing in this country, there was no such thing as gay marriage decades ago, you are right Dan Hydar. perhaps these people were all born in the 90s and assume this is how its always been? again, like i've said, the more you and your community complain and make a nuisance of yourselves the less likely anyone at all will take notice and give u any respect or bend to your wishes
Dan, Yes I phrased that wrong that is why I wrote that correction. same sex couples already practice same-sex marriage they desire for it to be recognized by our government hopefully by our supreme court, that not to recognize it is a civil injustice, so yeah they are considered an elite government authority in a way
Wendy Brock I honestly don't care if you agree with me, many others do. and since the protesters were not violent they were peaceful BTW. in the 1960's the US Supreme Court declared that Marriage is a Civil Liberty that was before the 90's BTW.
Wendy Brock, "…the more you and your community complain and make a nuisance of yourselves the less likely anyone at all will take notice and give u any respect or bend to your wishes.."
Oh really? Seems like that worked out for the Christian Right rather well for the last thirty years. I think you just don't like us stealing your ideas.
Richards Omar "…recognize it is a civil injustice,… " Because you say so? Perhaps you can explain why no major moral, ethical or religious thinker in any culture agreed with you (before the past couple of decades, when it became a political thing.)
Richards Omar – "the protesters were not violent they were peaceful" Arguably, it's not "peaceful to menace an elderly homeless man .
Spencer Thunderball Thayer – "Seems like that worked out for the Christian Right rather well for the last thirty years" Funny, how you don't give any examples.
You must live in a bubble if you don't know what I am talking about. Go to any Abortion clinic on a Sunday and you'll see an example. Also why are you assuming he was homeless? He wasn't homeless. I know you don't believe that I was there because you're an idiot but he wasn't homeless. I think the fact that y'all are equating him to a homeless person might be due to some under the skin racism.
Spencer Thunderball Thayer – "You must live in a bubble if you don't know what I am talking about." The classic non-answer answer of those who can't prove their case.
"Go to any Abortion clinic on a Sunday and you'll see an example." I've occasionally seen Christians quietly praying the rosary. I guess that's the same as menacing a homeless elderly man .
"He wasn't homeless." It's widely reported that he's homeless. Still, you think it's OK to menace a peaceful elderly man? How "progressive".
"I know you don't believe that I was there because you're an idiot "
Wow. That suuuuure put me in my place. No wonder you're so effective at intimidating peaceful elderly men.
"but he wasn't homeless." … which you know… how? You saw his house on the Chick-Fil-A property?
"some under the skin racism" …. says the guy who disrespected t an elderly black gentleman. Every news report I've seen, including the one on leftie "Current TV"'s website says the man was homeless. Perhaps you're just projecting?
If this is how these people behave then maybe they don't need gay marriage legalized..screw em, they want to act like scumbag thugs, then they can bite it..literally! hatefilled pos's
How disgusting and horrendous… we have reached a point in our society where none of the principles of chivalry stand! Effeminate men taunt while others stand by and do not protect the weak.
C'est la crise…
When we exercise our inalienable right to enter the public discourse, we can expect to hear things that go against what we already believe. Nobody has a right not to be offended. How would you recommend the weak be protected?
I will put it this way… if you have respect for your fellow human being should you stand around and just watch like the onlookers in this video?
Madeline Marie, I don't have respect for all my fellow human beings, just as you don't. The man with the bible had entered the public debate with the message that if you don't believe the way he does, you will burn in a pit forever, all without a shred of evidence. I respect his right to say it, but he can't expect to go unchallenged, especially when his beliefs are unsubstantiated. People need not be afraid of words. The man was entitled to go home at anytime.
Tim Gale are you adding more to this video, do you know something we can't see. is it no immoral for a man to read his bible. i didn't see where he preached or even spoke. where is the whole video that you obviously have privy.
Todd Spurlock, Then you need to watch the video again! He claims loudly that the protestors don't want to work, they don't want to do nothing and then asks if they are homosexual, as if to insinuate, without a vested interest, no one would fight for the human rights of others. There is nothing that freedom of speech excludes and everything is open to criticism.
Madeline, you mean like all of the nice, christian conservative men who did nothing to stop Jerry Sandusky? Or the thousands who helped protect pedophile priests?
Tim Gale, If you do not respect all your fellow human beings then there is no reason to continue discussing with you because you are reasoning by your emotions and not principles, nor do you care to since you do not respect me or others who hold the same opinions.
Madeline Marie, I sense a lack of respect for me.
Or your method of reasoning…
Or your method of reasoning…
Madeline Marie, I thought you weren't going to continue this conversation.
Madeline Marie, I thought you weren't going to continue this conversation.
=) Il est terminé.
=) Il est terminé.
Madeline Marie, finally!
Madeline Marie, finally!
The preacher was equating Gay people to pigs and Satan. He was being loud and rude while using his Bible to interupt the event with the intent of shaming peoples life styles. He has his right to free speech, just as I had every right to call him out on his bullshit. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that ass hat Christian's can't be called out for being dick heads by other dick heads.
Besides the video is biased and edits out the shit he was saying to make him look like a victim. This "preacher" was nothing but a bigot. I asked and he agreed that Deuteronomy 22:24, which states raped women who do not scream loud enough should be stone, should be followed. He also said "lazy sons" should be stoned to death as well.
Fuck that guy and fuck any of you who agree with him.
Sorry Tim i heard it now, its the background I didn't hear it with the other guy screaming over him but my mistake. Now out of curiosity, it's wrong for a man of God to speak of his beliefs and who he is but it's ok for gays or to protest because an owner of a company believes in marriage between a woman and a man. Who is being intolerant, gays or this guy? ?
Todd Spurlock, Anyone and everyone, including the man with the bible and the protestors alike, are free to exercise their inalienable right to free speech, and I will always defend and fight for their right to be heard. Freedom of speech is purely designed to protect ideas and opinions that are not popular and that others may not wish to hear. That said, when you enter the public debate, you can expect a response. Moreover, you ask who is being intolerant, the gays of the guy. Firstly, the character talking mostly to the man with the bible clearly states he's a heterosexual. Secondly, I can only presume, for argument sake, that the man with the bible is against the legalization of gay marriage, which denies others of their right to equality, so he is the intolerant one in my mind. If you against gay marriage, don't marry another man. If homosexuals tried to stop you from marrying someone of the opposite sex, you too would cry intolerance. In conclusion, the Chick-fil-A guy not only voiced his disgust, but financially supports the exclusion of gays from an inalienable right, that he would never deny himself.
I was the guy calling the "preacher" out on his bigotry in the video. He was calling gays swine and beasts. Being generally way too loud to be considered a peaceful mind your own business kind of bible reader. He was bigot and the argument in question was concerning Due 22:23-24.
Spencer Thunderball Thayer, interesting to see how he was made out to be the good guy after some editing. I applaud your stand which came with no vested interest to yourself.
Spencer Thunderball Thayer – "He was calling gays swine and beasts" prove it.
Tim Gale -"He claims loudly that the protestors don't want to work, they don't want to do nothing" You mena in teh video here? Actually, it sounds like he's talking about the parable of the Prodigal Son. I suspect that you're mentally filling in parts that aren't on the actual video.
Tim Gale – "then asks if they are homosexual" Actually, he asks if the jackass *literally* getting in his face is homosexual, which is a fair question, if one is seeking to dialog.
if he was saying all that then good job but I just don't believe it.
What is your opinion of poly-amorous marriages? At what point do you put your foot down against immorality?
Dan Hydar, I don't remember the prodigal son being asked if he was gay.
Todd Spurlock, Personally I don't care if some nut job wants 10 wives and is able to find another 10 nut jobs to facilitate that desire, but it's against the law for EVERYONE. Moreover, I'm putting my foot down right now when a liberty that is given to most is not afforded to all. You make the insinuation that I am immoral, whereas i see your denial for universal human rights as sadly just that. I'm sure you are a good person, but it takes religion, or an equally perverse and unquestionable world-view, for a good person to do a bad thing.
Tim Gale – "I don't remember the prodigal son being asked if he was gay. " Sheesh. Sorry, but I assumed that you actually watched the video before commenting. At the very beginning of the clip, he seems like he's talking about the Prodigal Son. Later, after the bearded jackass gets in his face (literally and makes nonsense noises, he asks *that* guy if he is gay.
Two separate things.
Tim Gale – "Personally I don't care if some nut job wants 10 wives and is able to find another 10 nut jobs to facilitate that desire, but it's against the law for EVERYONE." … and in the vast majority of states, "same sex marriage" is against the law for EVERYONE too.
Your argument amounts to special pleading.
Dan Hydar, If you didn't know, gay people are not attracted to people of the opposite sex. Or do you think they are being difficult? Maybe they hate god? Probably both. Praise be!
Who are the hate filled bigots?
The preacher was equating Gay people to pigs and Satan. He was being loud and rude while using his Bible to interupt the event with the intent of shaming peoples life styles. He has his right to free speech, just as I had every right to call him out on his bullshit. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that ass hat Christian's can't be called out for being dick heads by other dick heads.
Besides the video is biased and edits out the shit he was saying to make him look like a victim. This "preacher" was nothing but a bigot. I asked and he agreed that Deuteronomy 22:24, which states raped women who do not scream loud enough should be stone, should be followed. He also said "lazy sons" should be stoned to death as well.
Fuck that guy and fuck any of you who agree with him.
Talk about rude, and watch the language
not the people who are for free speech and freedom of religion…seems the gay/lesbians are the haters here
Standing up to bigotry isn't the same thing as restricting free speech. I am not the government. As private citizens we can call each other out on each others bullshit until the cows come home and that is called exercising our rights. If you're argument isn't strong enough to stand on its own merit and cannot take someone aggressive like me who isn't afraid to call a bigot a bigot then that's your fault.
Standing up to bigotry isn't the same thing as restricting free speech. I am not the government. As private citizens we can call each other out on each others bullshit until the cows come home and that is called exercising our rights. If your argument isn't strong enough to stand on its own merit and cannot take someone aggressive like me who isn't afraid to call a bigot a bigot then that's your fault.
rofl, free speech, QQ more religious trolls, someone who doesnt agree with your 2000 year old faith and thinks it bullshit and doesnt put up with your crap and you throw a shitstorm and try and tout 'religious freedom'. Yes, they(the preacher and others) have the right to be as close-minded as they wish, but other people also have the same right when it comes to your beliefs. It's even playing fields kids and sometimes you gotta stop crying and be an adult and suck it up.
That's the kind of shit that would make me swing and take someones damn head off!
don't stoop to their level Chris, you're better than them in so many ways
These people are disgusting. Did you see any of the Chick-Fil-A supporters acting like these MORONS? Absolutely not!
The preacher was equating Gay people to pigs and Satan. He was being loud and rude while using his Bible to interupt the event with the intent of shaming peoples life styles. He has his right to free speech, just as I had every right to call him out on his bullshit. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that ass hat Christian's can't be called out for being dick heads by other dick heads.
Besides the video is biased and edits out the shit he was saying to make him look like a victim. This "preacher" was nothing but a bigot. I asked and he agreed that Deuteronomy 22:24, which states raped women who do not scream loud enough should be stone, should be followed. He also said "lazy sons" should be stoned to death as well.
Fuck that guy and fuck any of you who agree with him.
Not a one…
America desperately needs more men of courage. Better yet we need a revival in our land.
What we need, ,more than anything is an end to the ignorance, hypocrisy and superstition we call 'religion'…
What we need, ,more than anything is an end to the ignorance, hypocrisy and superstition we call 'religion'…
No less to be expected from a group who's leader has been convicted of felony arson.
What 'group' and what "leader?"
LGBT Marcil Alt was the one who planned to have the "Kiss In" they did an interview with her about it and she made a quote about how they were going to kiss and hold hands to show people what they support.
Do you have any proof about this Marcil Alt as a "arsonist" or the leader of the homosexuals? I Googled that name and found a Vanessa Marcil. But what LGBT group? There are a lot. There isn't just one group for homosexuals you know lol. And yeah – that's what a "kiss in" is- kissing and holding hands. And? Don't see how this explains someone being rude. I found this: "Herndon Graddick, president of the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation" – but no Marcil Alt.
me me me seems like that's more to it than just being that way they want others miserable heck Eat some Chicken and have a good day.
These unscrupulous purveyors of free speech and tolerance are showing their intolerance by using their free speech to have their way in attacking and mocking this man and his faith. People are going to try their damndest to force what they see as "intolerant bigots" to change their point of view. Its pretty laughable that it takes all these cowards to get in the face of this one single elderly man who is doing nothing but reading his Bible and minding his business. This is just the beginning. What's next? Could it be these unethical city mayors starting up a goon squad aka the "Immorality Police" police who's job it is to scour the city and find people to force acceptance of the lifestyle upon? And the chaos continues.
The preacher was equating Gay people to pigs and Satan. He was being loud and rude while using his Bible to interupt the event with the intent of shaming peoples life styles. He has his right to free speech, just as I had every right to call him out on his bullshit. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that ass hat Christian's can't be called out for being dick heads by other dick heads.
Besides the video is biased and edits out the shit he was saying to make him look like a victim. This "preacher" was nothing but a bigot. I asked and he agreed that Deuteronomy 22:24, which states raped women who do not scream loud enough should be stone, should be followed. He also said "lazy sons" should be stoned to death as well.
Fuck that guy and fuck any of you who agree with him.
Joel Rivera , Did you not hear the man insilting them? Have whatever opinion you want but at least base it on facts here. He wasnt some innocent elderly man just minding his business he got his verbal digs in early and wasnt shy about it.
"Did you not hear the man insilting [sic] them?" Isn't it odd how you go out of your way to justify mob behavior? Isn't it also odd that, in a response to me, you imply thta most gays should be assumed to reject these idiots… while at the same time you justify their behavior? Hmm.
Feel free to point out *exactly* the timestamp for the "insult" to which you refer i the video.
That's the thing. The editor of the video doesn't include everything. If you want the truth demand the youtube original poster release the unedited video.
Dan Hydar Im not justifying anything nor have I ever said most gays should be assumed to reject anything. What Im saying is you stating the gay community should come out in "vast numbers" to cut any association with these people is rediculous. The mob behaviour, whether a response or an attack, isn't really justified either way with me but that certainly doesnt mean the man was simply "minding his own business". You missed on both counts there and clearly misunderstood what I was saying.
Yelling at someone for being an ass isn't mob behavior. There was no lynching. He was yelling back. It was a verbal fight he started. You don't go to a Kenny Chesney concert burning an American flag and expect to be left alone.
Spencer Thunderball Thayer – "Yelling at someone for being an ass isn't mob behavior" In that case, it is. I bunch of people howling at a man who dares to disagree is *classic* mob behavior.
"There was no lynching" Sorry, but if THAT is your low bar for a "mob behavior", it explains a lot.
BTW, I can't help but notice that you didn't document your "insult as requested. Perhaps you could do so now?
Mark Harrison – "What Im saying is you stating the gay community should come out in "vast numbers" to cut any association with these people is rediculous[sic]"
It's only ridiculous if they agree with their (often hateful) antics. Otherwise, it's the right thing to do.
No Dan Hydar Its above any reasonable expectation. Its like saying that any christian that doesnt come out and say they are not in full agreement with Westboro church must agree that protesting a soldiers funeral is the right thing to do. Does any black person who doesnt say so agree with the black panthers? Does every white man who doesnt step forward agree with the kkk? You sir, are a special kind of rediculous.
Mark Harrison – "Its above any reasonable expectation" Then you have a much lower of opinion of gays than mine.
"Its like saying that any christian that doesnt come out and say they are not in full agreement with Westboro church must agree that protesting a soldiers funeral is the right thing to do." Nope, because you are the one that keeps throwing in "all" and "every" and therefore distorting what I said. (Doing so shows the weakness of your "argument".)
The equivalent would be this : if there was complete silence from Christians about the Westboro Baptist church. What you don't seem to comprehend is that there are **always** Christian voices that condemn WBC's actions when they appear. Note that this happens in spite of the fact that WBC is tiny and has no supporters.
Your favored knuckleheads get huge amounts of press that implies that they represent gays. Why no gay voices speaking out against them? Most Christians don't even know who WBC *is*. Anyone who watches the news knows about these fools claiming to represent gays.
"Does any black person who doesnt say so agree with the black panthers"
OK, how often are the black panthers in the news, being portrayed as representing blacks in general? (BTW, note that you again added "any" when it is not justified.)
Dan Hydar Your just splitting hairs with the wording and we both know it. I give up on ya. Clearly that hat of yours is preventing logical thoughts from getting to where they need to go. (yeah, insulting that sill yhat of yours is fair game if your gonna insult the "favored knuckleheads".
Your argument is based on splitting hiars with wording as you have zero to stand on within the spirit of the topic.
So I guess youre right, chritians are are victims and gay people support those who mob them.
Im just glad there are other sources of reasonable debate apart from fox. But its nice to visit sometimes to see how the other half lives. Take care of yourself dan and good luck hat shopping.
Mark Harrison – "Your just splitting hairs with the wording and we both know it" We certainly do not "both know it". You've played a game, pretending that I'm asking something extreme of gays … but I've poked holes in all of your examples.
There was no splitting hairs; feel free to explain why you think that I was splitting hairs. Be detailed.
Note that, though you claim to want "reasonable debate", you have merely ducked behind the words "splitting hairs", without giving any justification for doing so. I merely followed the examples you gave : WBC & BP … and demonstrated that the didn't support your case. Instead of offering a counter argument, you duck.
Dan, I see you have a trekie outfit on. Please…… go upstairs and book your next convention leaving reality to the rest of us. I dont wish to converse with you any further.
The hate filled bigots were represented by those who taunted the priest! The way they acted was ridiculous! Unacceptable! Like I said "you didn't see those supporting chick-fil-A acting like that. They were peacefully exercising their right to free speech ~ not taunting!
This whole situation goes to show you who's the hate-filled group!
- Christians go there quietly and order some chicken.
- Pro-gay abnormals go there to scream, yell, whine, harass, and disrupt business. Not to mention the disgraceful spray painting- which is VANDALISM, NOT FREE SPEECH!
- Also to mention the hateful politicians we have in large cities. New York City, L.A., S.F., and Chicago are no longer bastions of our American society.
I hope and pray that God gives us the strength to get back to our roots, the ones that made this country. The ones are shaped our original government. The ones that gave us the courage to fight England, one of the world powers at its time. The ones that helped us win two World Wars.
I also noticed, about the time the country started turning its back on God (the 60's), that we started having REALLY bad social issues en masse. And it has only getting worse…
God have mercy on us all.
Again not EVERYONE is like the morons in the video.
I say this about every group…It doesn't matter if the obnoxious, violent thugs are representative of your group or not. If you don't condemn them from every street corner and start your own group for the normal people in your group then that is how you are going to be perceived.
The preacher was equating Gay people to pigs and Satan. He was being loud and rude while using his Bible to interupt the event with the intent of shaming peoples life styles. He has his right to free speech, just as I had every right to call him out on his bullshit. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that ass hat Christian's can't be called out for being dick heads by other dick heads.
Besides the video is biased and edits out the shit he was saying to make him look like a victim. This "preacher" was nothing but a bigot. I asked and he agreed that Deuteronomy 22:24, which states raped women who do not scream loud enough should be stone, should be followed. He also said "lazy sons" should be stoned to death as well.
Fuck that guy and fuck any of you who agree with him.
Kelly Calder "not EVERYONE is like the morons in the video" Ah, but the morons in the video say otherwise…. and those who they claim to represent sit silently.
Dan Hyder – Oh because you don't see them on FoxNews or going on the Internet they must be "sitting silently?" WBC claims to represent the truth of God but that's not true is it?
@Julie – "Normal people?" What are "normal" people to you?
Dan Hydar Bravo sir, you've clearly reasoned this out. I was just going to drop by and chat with the gay community tomorrow and ask them why they're not on fox defending themselves but it really doesnt matter now. Thanks for saving me the time.
Kelsey, Please it was more than just Christians who support man/woman marriage only…that is why we Buddhists support civil unions…but never marriage.
Kelly Calder – "you don't see them on FoxNews or going on the Internet" It cracks me up with silly people like you thinks that mentioning "Fox News" means that you've won an argument.
Anyhoo, where are these magic gays who are all complain about those who are claiming to represent them? It's funny that you exclude "the internet", where *everyone* has access.
"they must be "sitting silently?""
Show otherwise. Where are the vast numbers of gays coming together to condemn the idiocy of these protesters?
Mark Harrison – "I was just going to drop by and chat with the gay community tomorrow and ask them why they're not on fox defending themselve" Who said anything about Fox? There isa group of nuts that claims to be representing them. If there was a group of nuts claiming to represent *me*, I'd be very vocal n my rejection of them.
So why aren't regular plain regular old gays condemning these imbeciles ?
"but it really doesn't matter now"
Why's that? I asked an honest question. If you're too much of a drama queen to answer it, more along. If you want to make an honest attempt, teh inturwebs are open. Feel free.
Dan Hydar – It makes me laugh that people "like you" think that was how I try to "win" an argument. I didn't think that but thanks for trying to be a mind reader or for telling me how I think. You must be proud of yourself.
You know why there are no "vast number of gays" coming out to protest – they don't NEED to. They know that's not them. That's like the stereotype of female soldiers in our Army. Do I really need to go out publicly and condemn people who stereotype me because some females are idiots and don't know how to keep their damn legs closed? No. I know who I am. I know what type of person, soldier, female I am. I don't have to go out and decry against idiocy. But if Christians feel they have to make a spectacle and come out in droves AND show support by eating more fast food and upping the obesity rate, fine. Let them.
I have seen homosexuals I know who have actually said "Hey we're not like those people." It's the same thing with Muslim extremists. You know why people don't hear "mass protests" or them out in droves? Because the news won't cover it if they do. I've seen local news where Muslims protested what terrorists have done.
But you know what? You must be right. Christians and their supporters are ALWAYS right…
Kelly Calder –
"You know why there are no "vast number of gays" coming out to protest" Where did I say that there should be? You seem to have not read for comprehension. I was asking why the vast number of gays don't object to these knuckleheads claiming to represent them.
Comprenez vous? That is the opposite of wondering why more gays don't "come out" (heh) and join the knuckleheads protesting.
'I have seen homosexuals I know who have actually said "Hey we're not like those people."'' …. that nice. Why don't any of them think to contact the local news stations, newspapers, &c.?
"U must be right. Christians and their supporters are ALWAYS right…"
Sorry, but what does the last little bit of vilification accomplish, in your opinion? Do you think it helps your case to display hate?
Um seriously Dan Hydar? This is EXACTLY what you said: " Where are the vast numbers of gays coming together to condemn the idiocy of these protesters?" So yeah you did ask where they all are. Lol. Wow. Forget what you write about often or what? I never said anything about them "coming out" as in announcing their homosexuality. I knew you meant coming out in the public to condemn. Do you "comprenez vous" much.
Why SHOULD the homosexuals "contact local newspapers, stations, etc?" Why do they have to answer for the idiocy of a few people who claim to represent them? Should I come out and condemn every time a soldier kills someone just because I am one? NO! Should I go on TV whenever some female does something stupid because I am a female? Uh no because one female doesn't represent our entire gender LOL.
Also you misquoted me. I did not write "U" I wrote "You." And that wasn't "vilification." That was sarcasm. See people like you always assuming when someone disagrees it MUST be hate. Also to note I am not a homosexual. I am 100% heterosexual but I don't discriminate people based on things they have no control over.
Dan Hydar Im not a Drama Queen and Im not gay at all. But I can tell you that the notion that gay people should always pop their head out the door and say "thats not how I think" is rediculous. The "vast numbers" of christians arent expected to do so, in cases like Westrboro for example, because most people understand that 30 people never represent an entire demographic.
You ask, quite eloquently, "So why aren't regular plain regular old gays condemning these imbeciles ?"
Why would they? What association does your "regular plain regular old gay" have with this at all. What degree of association is required to feel an obligation to come forward and defend yourself?
Mark Harrison – "Im not a Drama Queen and Im not gay at all" who said the term "drama queen" implies "gay"? You really shouldn't make assumptions.
"the notion that gay people should always pop their head out the door and say "thats not how I think" is rediculous[sic]" Who said anything about "always? These knuckleheads have been doing stupid things in the name of all gays for at least a decade or so. Why the continuous silence?
It's telling that you had to exaggerate what I said in order to denigrate it. I didn't say all of them "every " time. Just **some** times. Actually, you'd think that **some** would have objected each time. Why is that?
"in cases like Westrboro"
… Christians of all stripes condemn their actions, every time Westrboro makes a grab for media . Why don't gays do the same?
"Why would they?" Because they do not wish to be misunderstood. More importantly, they (presumable) don't want evil done in their name. It's weird that you can't comprehend any of this.
Kelly Calder 'Why SHOULD the homosexuals "contact local newspapers, stations, etc?"' …. because those folks are claiming to speak for them. Would you want others doing evil in your name? Or even acting foolishly?
"Should I come out and condemn every time a soldier kills someone just because I am one?" You commit the same silliness as Mark. Who said that every member of a group should always object? Now if there had been a decade of, say, soldiers committing atrocities and claiming that soldiers *always* do that kind of thing, for fun…. hell yeah, you should have spoken up. You'd remain silent?
Kelly Calder
'And that wasn't "vilification." ' Actually, it was both. How do I know? Because you explain with : "See people like you always assuming when someone disagrees it MUST be hate"
I didn't say you hated because you disagreed, I said it because you vilified, which is an expression of hate. Perhaps you didn't mean to write what you did. Feel free to rephrase if so. I can't read minds, I can only judge what you actually wrote.
Well at least one admitted that he did hate.
Yes. I do hate the God of Deuteronomy 22:24, which states raped women who do not scream loud enough should be stone.
Spencer Thunderball Thayer – OK give one example in Jewish history where your interpretation of that verse was followed.
(BTW, you might want to consider the subsequent verse before answering and/or retracting : "But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor")
Dan, are you suggesting that people have not acted on these passages in the bible? Every sentence from Deuteronomy 13 through 30 relating to sex is despicable and any God ordering these edicts is a monster and should be treated with contempt.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0001_0_00495.html
Spencer Thunderball Thayer, Of course the verses were acted on. We've already discussed radicals in this thread. Plus the fact that Deut. was written in a totally different, (almost alien to us Americans), language. Look up some scholarly interpretation instead of thinking you have the "in" based on what you can read..
To me, it sounds as if one interpretation could be if the woman didn't scream, she was enjoying or promoting the tryst. Hardly the blood-thirsty scenario you indicate, but still extreme for us tamed sheeple.
You've got a warped sense of right and wrong. A virgin woman should be stoned if she enjoys sex? Fuck that nonsense. There is no justification under and translation for Deut 13-30. All of it is monstrous and so is the God that ordered it.
David Yatalese You've got a warped sense of right and wrong. A virgin woman should be stoned if she enjoys sex? Fuck that nonsense. There is no justification under any translation for Deut 13-30. Nor do I give a damn about cultural context. Every sentence is monstrous and so is the God that ordered it. It has no place in our society.
You've got a warped sense of right and wrong. I don't care what translation one uses to interpret Deut 13-30 it's all evil. A woman should be stoned if she is raped, a woman should be stoned if she was a virgin and enjoys it, a woman should be stoned if she was raped in the city but not in the woods? Are you kidding me? There is no justification for any of it, period. These bronze age morals have no place in our secular society.
"I am tired of your hypocrisy, sir.” sums it all up. If the 'preacher' in question has ever shaved, cut his hair, worn cotton and wool at the same time, eaten pork or shellfish, done any work whatsoever on the sabbath or violated any of the other rules of the bible he should be put to death since this is what the bible orders.
This applies to any and all persons who call themselves a 'christian'…
Has the fuse been lit? Are we heading toward another civil war? Whatever happened to quiet, meaningful dialog and debate. God didn't put us this earth to hate one another, but to love and respect each other. The violence toward Chick-Fil-A reminds me of Kirstalnatch in Germany just before Hitler rounded uip all the Jews and sent them to concentration camps. Is this where we Christians are headed? Are we to be sent to re-education camps or burned at the stake? If so, I'm taking my bible with me.
Bruce, instead of carrying your bible, perhaps you should read it?
Posting on the sabbath is a sin punishable by death, as is shaving or cutting the hair around your temples….
If we're headed for another civil war, Bruce, this is just one of the symptoms. There are a lot of disgruntled people (to put it mildly) angry about a lot of things going on in this country.
Plus, in my opinion, we're more deeply divided today than we were during the Civil War if only because there are so many more issues at stake. We're also more heavily armed.
It could get ugly.
David most of our ~Brave~ genes got killed off in the civil war (WWII also)…USA is too wimpy when it comes to honor…it will just be a sad scrap for survival.
David, I have to agree with you. This division between people on religion, politics, sexuality, class warfare, is reaching a boiling point. We seem to be moving backward on the war against racial hate. I do think we're getting ripe for a civil war. Yes, it would be ugly, but perhaps it's unavoidable. Government has become bloated and corrupt, people have become selfish, greedy, and disrespectful, too many people wanting something for nothing, a national debt that can probably never be paid back. Not to mention our presidential elections, at least in my opinion, have boiled down to picking the lesser of two evils. Many of our elected politicians are in it for power and money, have their own agenda (bought and paid for by lobbyists and special interests), and are NOT looking out for the best interests of our country and people.
This country has completely changed from when I was a kid, and in many ways not for the better. I'd say the odds of things getting better soon are not favorable, though I keep trying to convince myself otherwise.
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Okay if you can say all the people who support same sex marriage are like those idiots, then I can say all Christians are like the Westboro Baptist Church. Or the people who post hateful ignorant things about homosexuals or anyone they disagree with on the Internet.
Oh guess what? I know the DIFFERENCE and don't stereotype an entire group based on the actions of a few. Maybe people need not stereotype all those who are homosexual or support homosexuals.
Also, I love to see all the comments calling them names. I thought Christians were supposed to forgive and love thy neighbor?
Good points, Kelly. Kudos. It's the haters I write against, not gays. We should all have your attitude.
everyone does compare all christians to the westboro baptist clowns…everytime there is a clash the left shouts well you guys have the westboro baptists…
Julie – I have rarely heard that so it's a bit of an exaggeration to say "EVERYONE" says it. What I say is that WBC are Christian EXTREMISTS. Just like the terrorists in the Middle East and elsewhere are Muslim extremists. Each group has its own crazy people who take the religion to the extreme.
Kelly Calder – "I have rarely heard that so it's a bit of an exaggeration to say "EVERYONE" says it." Not "everyoen", "everyTIME" . Big difference.
If it's an exaggeration to say "every time", it's not much of an exaggeration. Heck, go through the comments and see how many times "Westboro" is mentioned .. despite the fact that the "church" is basically, the extended family of the "pastor".
"What I say is that WBC are Christian EXTREMISTS" …just as the people protesting Chick-Fil-A are left-wing-EXTREMISTS.
What's the Gay population 1% 2 maybe, why are we bowing to there demands. What about rights for fat people, skinny people, ugly people?
Oh fat people, skinny get their day too. And what is your definition of "ugly people?" Because I guarantee you everyone has a different perception of ugly – and skinny and fat at times.
Kelly you should write a book called ~Situational Ethics~are you really in OUR army…as you seem to stand up for our enemies.
The preacher was equating Gay people to pigs and Satan. He was being loud and rude while using his Bible to interupt the event with the intent of shaming peoples life styles. He has his right to free speech, just as I had every right to call him out on his bullshit. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that ass hat Christian's can't be called out for being dick heads by other dick heads.
Besides the video is biased and edits out the shit he was saying to make him look like a victim. This "preacher" was nothing but a bigot. I asked and he agreed that Deuteronomy 22:24, which states raped women who do not scream loud enough should be stone, should be followed. He also said "lazy sons" should be stoned to death as well.
Fuck that guy and fuck any of you who agree with him.
I hate God. Ahahahha f'n hilarious. Wish I was there.
I hate at least the biblical god. What a monster. The secular revisionist God isn't so bad.
I hate at least the biblical god. What a monster. The secular revisionist God isn't so bad.
I'm confused…. So Fox News hates blacks less than gays?
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Looks like this comment about the editing has disappeared from under the Fox News story…?
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"gay conservatives ".
That is an oxymoron.
A pathetic infantile display which will not further the cause of 'gay marriage' at all.
All you have to do is watch that video…………a man quietly reading his Bible harassed by bullies, which is what the gay community has proven to be. Funny that few people know that homosexuality is a clinical diagnosis of a form of mental illness…….the psychiatric community has done a good job of sweeping that under a rug in the last couple of decades. So we are supposed to stand by as these people, like the hate-filled gays in the video, take of this once-great country. This is progress? The human body was brilliantly designed with places to reproduce and places that allow waste products to be excreted. Why do we have to hold any group on a plateau who doesn't understand some basics of human physiology?
I am sorry I mispelled her name before it's Marci Alt (accidently hit the l) if you want to see her court doc just type in Marci Alt arson Dekalb Superior Court. It happened December of last year. She is the creator of the "kiss in" so she would be the leader.
So was she actually convicted of it? This is what it says on the mugshot website: "An arrest does not mean that the individual has been convicted of the alleged violation. Individuals on this website are innocent until proven guilty by a court of law. All information related to charges and arrest or booking is obtained through public domain and in accordance with the Freedom of Information Act."
Also she organized one protest in Decatur. She's not the "leader" of LGBT lol.
I am not sure about the conviction except it was the actual court docs you can look at yourself it tells you who her lawyer was and all that. As for being the leader she was the leader of this spectacle she did an interview and told them it was her idea.
I am not sure about the conviction except it was the actual court docs you can look at yourself it tells you who her lawyer was and all that. As for being the leader she was the leader of this spectacle she did an interview and told them it was her idea.
At Decatur, GA she organized that one. Not the entire kiss in event itself.
At Decatur, GA she organized that one. Not the entire kiss in event itself.
All's I know she was the spokeswoman for it at the time and she was saying how they wanted to show people what they support and are about by holding hands and kissing…I think it's a bit shady when she is about arson if anything…
All's I know she was the spokeswoman for it at the time and she was saying how they wanted to show people what they support and are about by holding hands and kissing…I think it's a bit shady when she is about arson if anything…
*Sigh* The article I read stated she organized the protest in Decatur, GA. That's it. And that there is no one LGBT group. And "about arson?" What did the court docs say? Was it jealousy over a former lover? Because heterosexuals get crazy like that too – and also are arsonists. How long ago was it? People make mistakes. Not saying it was right she did it but no one is perfect.
*Sigh* The article I read stated she organized the protest in Decatur, GA. That's it. And that there is no one LGBT group. And "about arson?" What did the court docs say? Was it jealousy over a former lover? Because heterosexuals get crazy like that too – and also are arsonists. How long ago was it? People make mistakes. Not saying it was right she did it but no one is perfect.
I have read many many articles not just this one…this happened December of last year not even a year ago..I think it's a bit messed up if you look at the vandalism that has already taken place at other locations. Not to mention the angry bitter guy who harassed a chick-fil-a employee or the group of gays that harassed and made fun of a homless man on video while laughing hysterically…they all just seem like riff raff more than anything and it's sickening.
I have read many many articles not just this one…this happened December of last year not even a year ago..I think it's a bit messed up if you look at the vandalism that has already taken place at other locations. Not to mention the angry bitter guy who harassed a chick-fil-a employee or the group of gays that harassed and made fun of a homless man on video while laughing hysterically…they all just seem like riff raff more than anything and it's sickening.
"They all seem like riff raff…" No I have seen it sounds like a FEW are "riff raff." Not all homosexuals or those who support them. Way to stereotype.
We were talking about these groups of people in particular (the ones who commited the harassment and the ones who vandalized) so how is that stereotyping them all? Btw they were the representation of the group they are trying to advocate.
No you seemed to be implying that all homosexuals or anyone who supports them or what the protest was must be the same. The kiss in was not a big deal – the video of the guys harassing and the vandalism were and those do NOT represent the group.
I was implying nothing of the sort (note how saying they are all riff raff followed the details of what they did?) I said these people were riff raff and I hold to that still….please do explain how someone who is there advocating for a group doesn't represent the group? Ok for instance Occupy is many peeople yet someone does something dumb and they all get blamed for it as a whole..why should it work any different for them? Thats the way of the world like it or not.
I don't like it and I don't assume that when one person who claims to represent a group actually does. That's like when people stereotype all female soldiers because of the actions of a few. Or when a couple soldiers go out and act like idiots they blame ALL of us. Sorry no. I don't assume that all men in the Army are immature, chauvinistic, sexual assaulting/raping assholes because a few of them do those things. I don't think that ALL Christians believe the same thing Dan Cathy does because he claims that is what Christianity is. I don't blame all Christians for what WBC does.
Just because everyone else thinks a way doesn't mean you have to Crystal. Stop being part of the sheeple. Use your own brain once in awhile.
I don't like it and I don't assume that when one person who claims to represent a group actually does. That's like when people stereotype all female soldiers because of the actions of a few. Or when a couple soldiers go out and act like idiots they blame ALL of us. Sorry no. I don't assume that all men in the Army are immature, chauvinistic, sexual assaulting/raping assholes because a few of them do those things. I don't think that ALL Christians believe the same thing Dan Cathy does because he claims that is what Christianity is. I don't blame all Christians for what WBC does.
Just because everyone else thinks a way doesn't mean you have to Crystal. Stop being part of the sheeple. Use your own brain once in awhile.
oh no, stupid old bigot harassed by someone who lives in the present, QQ more plz
So it's ok now to harass homeless people? Because they are stupid old bigots? What makes him a bigot? Not having the same opinion as everyone in the world on every issue? I guess we're all bigots than huh?
"elderly street preacher" never said the dude was homeless
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But he is thats why it's even worse.
well, thats not what the article says, but big deal, he gets his freedom to be a bigot and i (and the ppl who mocked him) get the freedom to call him a prejudice motherfucker, not my fault he's homeless. No, its not ok to harass homeless ppl, but it ok to harass douchebags and assholes. Bigotry has nothing to do with having the same opinion as everyone else.
Alex Breed, if this is how people who "live in the present" act, gimme that old time religion any day.
Why is it "worse" because the guy is homeless? Do you know why he's homeless? Some people are homeless because they got addicted to drugs, alcohol and spent all their money on those things. Some people are homeless because they're just too lazy to find a job. You know how many times I've seen a sign that says "Will work for food." Well then get a job! There are jobs available but some Americans think they are "too good" for those jobs. I know of people I work with in the Army who have gotten part time jobs. And people wonder why illegal immigrants get jobs – they'll do anything to make some money. So it's not "worse" if someone is harassed and happens to be homeless. They didn't harass him because he is homeless. They said that crap because he was preaching and they don't agree with the Bible. They could've done it more tactfully but they have the right to not agree with the Bible.
Our conversation is now over when you can blame the victim for being harassed what is the point in speaking to you? Btw if you read before letting your fingers get to work you would have seen where I said he was not even reading out loud he was sitting on a concrete wall reading to himself silently. So those "protesters" can act loud obnoxious and rude to prove their point but in the same token this man could not read out of his book to himself? Done done done. When people finally realize they can't push their views onto others it will be to late for the "cause" they were trying to support. Oh and great way not to be judgmental I forgot all homeless people deserve what they get because they are homeless only because of themselves…now who's the bigot?
Nice propaganda. Why didn't you show the preacher "preaching", why cut all of that out?
duh because he's old and helpless and we shouldn't pound on the elderly lol
duh because he's old and helpless and we shouldn't pound on the elderly lol
They were douchebags, no doubt about it, but at least show both sides.
it's the news. come on now lol
Nice propaganda. Why didn't you show the preacher "preaching", why cut all of that out?
If it was permanent paint then he needs to be charged with vandalism…would he appreciate paint on his car as an ~art~ statement protesting vandalism…hypocrite and nasty too…
We do not have that franchise in NV…but I recall eating it on the East Coast…had I known the background it would have tasted that much finer…extra pickle slices please…
I am tired of hearing how Chick-fil-a and it's supporters are bigots and haters. I haven't seen anything to indicate hatred from anyone other than the homosexual bigots and Christian haters who have plagued the media pages and internet since this whole thing started. Jesus Christ taught us to love the person and hate the sin. It's sin. Humans need love regardless of who they are. Perhaps when these activists grow up and start loving others for their beliefs, they may actually receive a little more respect and love from their community. The other thing that bothers me is the fact that they spew disgusting filth in the face of God fearing people and claim they know the Jesus Christ of the Bible. They know nothing of Him. They know nothing of what He taught and the God He came from. The Law did not change when Christ came, it was fulfilled.
And we know that everyone is in their own spiritual battle. Some are losing the battle in their minds and are being overcome by the demon of sexual perversion and immorality. Others are in a similar battle in their minds to confuse their understanding of what's right and wrong by equating past persecution of a disenfranchised class with righteous indignation against sin – in effect to manipulate the mind to sympathize with sin by painting the sinner as a persecuted class. In doing so the mind loses the ability to see the sin because of a reluctance to equate a person as a sinner. When sin ceases being sin, by what measure does society judge evil. And if evil ceases being evil, the nature of man is to choose to accept it as good. When this happens, the total collapse of a society is inevitable. Sadly, I now see America in the beginning stages of this downward spiral.
I am probably not the first to notice or record this but does anyone else find it ironic that the one who shouts "I hate God" is the one who is filled with hatred in his shouting? hmmmm….maybe there is a connection, I'm just thinking.
Hard to believe that in this day and age people still believe in "God" and pray to "Jesus" or whoever. That was invented to numb people's mind 2,000 years ago and hell how good it worked.
Oh, my thoughts on discussing on internet: just as idiotic as trying to tell your dog to cook you a meal.
David Bowie keeps being right on the spot: "I'm afraid of Americans".