May 9, 2012
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The British government wants health care workers to stop using the word ‘obese’ because it might offend fat people, according to new recommendations sent to local communities.
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The National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) said officials should “carefully consider the type of language and media to use to communicate obesity.”
Guidance sent to health officials warned that “the term ‘obesity’ may be unhelpful – while some people like to ‘hear it like it is,’ others may consider it derogatory.”
Instead, individuals who are morbidly obese should be “merely” urged to try to “achieve a healthier weight,” the Daily Mail reported. NICE also encouraged Britons to talk “more generally about health and well-being.”
The National Obesity Forum blasted the kinder-gentler approach.
“NICE is being too nice,” spokesperson Tam Fry told Sky News. “They are not exhibiting the tough love they should be. ‘Obesity’ is a medical description. There is a defined point at which being overweight becomes a serious medical issue.
“It you skirt around the bushes you confuse people over how serious it is,” he told Sky News.
A NICE spokesperson said the guidance had been put out for consultation – and was “evolving.
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Obese isn't PC in Great Britain! Really? The butt in the picture is FAT! If the TRUTH hurts, go on a diet. They used to call it "enabling" when related to alcohol or drugs. Time to throw out the ridiculousness of "politically correct". Unless, you want to continue fooling fools.
Is that your comment saying "go on a diet"?
Debra, I just think that the PC movement has gone a bit too far. I'm overweight, I admit it, and I don't expect my doctor to sugar coat a diagnosis. That would be ridiculous. I also don't believe in being cruel to people who are obese. There are many reasons for obesity, some of which are extremly difficult to overcome. I believe in compassion, but not sticking one's head in the sand and bowing to political correctness. Compassion with honesty is greatly needed in many areas of our world.
Debra Whitmore Howard Debra, 'go on a diet' was not my intent, in the sense it came across. I've been overweight and know I have great difficulty trying to lose weight. I don't think it helps any patient for the doctor to be forced to use policically correct language. I'm objecting to this idea that everything everyone says is 'judged' as if one was trying to be hurtful. My goodness, if my doctor has to tell me I'm obese, then let them do so. Hopefully they will also help me overcome my health problems with compassion, using the English language in a articulate and helpful way.
I don't care how anyone describes this picture…. if your ass is this big then you are a FAT muthafekker…NO TWO WAYS ABOUT IT. I hope that hurt your feelings because evidently no one else has told your fat ass the truth. Go on a fekkin diet…have your stomach stapled…DO something cuz u r a fat ass.
she's living a life of hell – every diet I tried gained me 20 to 30 lbs and getting off at least slowed the weight gains – only reason I lost was that one person in this world knew the answers that wasn't judging
I can help and I can make a profit doing so, dr's couldn't, gvmt couldn't, others couldn't, I couldn't, prayer (didn't as far as I could see from earth's viewpoint – I should have been dead so maybe prayers speared me). One on one I can help anyone and anyone I cannot help personally I know the greatest people who know the best for whatever individual issue is going on! So, if you have a friend(s) or willing to look them in the eye and do like this one indiv. did: Mark, we would never judge you" then give them my number, tell them to leave me a message and I'll call them back (850.766.6549). Lost 140'bs in a yr., kept it off, looking to lose another 40 to make it a decent 180 degree turn around. Wife, 80lbs, 3 teens (didn't think they needed to lose) lost 30lbs ea.).
A person is what they make of themselves. Sorry Mark , I don't feel pity for anyone that lets themself get into this situation. I myself have to watch what I eat and have to exercise some SELF-CONTROL of what I am shoving into my MOUTH.
Do you SERIOUSLY think that person WANTS to look the way they do?? They have probably tried and failed so many times at dieting that they have given up. Usually when someone is this overweight, they have emotional and mental issues that you and I could not understand. Why is it that people understand drug and alcohol addiction but not food addiction? It is easier to stay away from drugs and alcohol because you can abstain. It is way harder to control a food addiction, because not only do you HAVE to eat, you are also bombarded by pictures of food during every commercial break, in every magazine, and on many billboards. Not only that, in a time when the world is totally obsessed with fitness and beauty and no longer look at the inside of a person, these people end up as outcasts and eat to comfort themselves. It a viscious cycle. People like you who look down on others and think you are so wonderful because you were blessed with being thin, do not help their situation.
Helen A. Warner she is a lard azzz due to her inability to keep her pie hole shut..thats it
Mark Turner There are many ways to lose, the problem is keeping it off. I along with the rest of my family, was born that chubby baby that everyone pinches their cheeks. I grew up into a short stubby family. My ancestors are all short and stubby. If I were an Animal and born into a (PIG) family, I doubt God is going to allow me to look like a Slender Race Horse. I'm sick and tired of Society feeling that they have the right to be so Judgemental. There's something that is creating this Weight Issue and I don't believe it's all food or exercise. I stopped gaining, when I stopped Dieting. Depriving yourself of food is confusing the body, to the point that it wants more food.
Reduce any animals food for a period of time and then when you give it back, see how that animal goes after the food. No one has the answers, probably because the answer are lying between other issues that may never be found. Oprah Winfrey is a perfect example of how even all the money in the world couldn't fix her. She is probably supposed to be built the way she is. Thin or Fat, (NO ONE LEAVES THIS EARTH ALIVE) I chose to be happy PLEASE!
All the picture needs is headlights and it could be a volkswagen!
Jean Carlson Okay I call bullshit on the "chubby baby" thing. My best friend was a super chubby baby and she is one of the skinniest people I know. Her youngest daughter – my goddaughter – she was a chubby baby and she's still pretty big but she's growing out of it. She is two and does weigh almost as much as her 4 year old sister but she's not fat. She's just thick, built broad like a linebacker or something. But she'll probably be tall.
Should we mock the person in the photo? No. Do we know if it's her fault she's fat? No – it could be or it could not be. Or it could be both medical and laziness to try. I don't know.
I"m sick and tired of you Jean Carlson of judging everyone who doesn't agree with you on this. Some people are harsh but not everyone is. YOU are being judgmental yourself. Of course society is judgmental. Have you not read history or paid attention your whole life? Society has ALWAYS judged people on looks. At one time it was "beautiful" for women to have curves and be voluptuous. Beauty has changed over the years. But where do you get that people are "depriving' or starving themselves to lose weight? EVERYONE DOESN'T DO THAT TO LOSE WEIGHT! I have never starved myself. I have always been skinny because of high metabolism BUT a couple years ago it slowed down. I gained weight. I knew I had to lose it. So I took action and I did. Yes it's easier for some than others. BUT again – no one should weigh half a ton.
It sounds like you were doing the wrong kind of dieting. You have to find the right ones and right workouts that work for you. There are plenty of workouts for senior citizens (oh god that doesn't offend you does it?). DIETING DOES NOT EQUAL STARVING. I hope we have that clear. If you were doing that, THAT is why you don't lose weight. BALANCED MEALS! The right kinds of protein, etc. The right amounts. Not gorging.
There was nothing to "fix" with Oprah – and the reason she kept bouncing back is because she stopped her dieting. SHE even said that. Just like Janet Jackson. The only way to keep it off once it's off is to maintain what you did to lose it and then increase so your body doesn't get used to the workouts and routine.
I've tried being polite but all I seem to hear from you are excuses. I don't know you or what your life is but all you talking about is dieting, starving and all this stuff.
Helen A. Warner — Take it easy Helen. People like YOU that run your mouth and you are talking about someone that you are totally ignorant. It is obvious that you have diarrhea of the mouth and brain because you said I am "thin" — don't judge me or anyone else that put responsibility squarely on the shoulders of those that CHOOSE to have a certain lifestyle. By bringing up the addiction circumstance you are putting yourself right in MY kitchen since my expertise is mental health/ addiction …. so save your blathering for someone that will believe what you are spouting. Yes, food can be an addiction … I never wrote that it couldn't. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY is what I am writing about. Put your personal problems aside and re-read the article and my comments. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and forget the political correctness…that is what is wrong with these issues. NO ONE wants to take their responsibility for being FAT. No one wants to hear the truth…. YOU ARE FAT and it's your own damn fault. So get over yourself and do something about it. OR you, Helen, may be the type of person that wants the government to intervene and step on the rights of others to choose. Quit eating french fries and big macs you fatty…exercise … get off the sofa and lose some weight. Or sit your fat ass there and die. YOUR CHOICE. Since you know so much about my thin ass…. I lost 180 pounds. so take that and shove it up your fat arse. don't judge until you have intelligent info.
Helen A. Warner "It's easier to stay away from drugs and alcohol…" How many alcoholics or drug addicts have you met?! ANY addiction is hard to quit – and I guarantee you it is not "easier" for a drug or alcohol addict to stay away from their vices than a food addict. I don't really understand drug and alcohol addiction either. My ex was (probably still is) a drug addict and he's an alcoholic. I never understood why he got addicted to either – I used to go out and get drunk with him but after I got black out drunk, I never wanted to feel that way again AND not knowing what may or may not have happened. So no not everyone "understands" drug and alcohol addiction over food addiction. I don't understand any. When I get full – I stop eating. Some people just have a more addictive personality than others do but I would think the warning bells would go off once you find yourself wheezing walking to the bathroom or something.
Actually most ads and things are turning back to inward beauty over outside. It's being emphasized by celebrities, etc, more often. It's called having some freakin will power!!! If you let magazines, TV and movies DECIDE your life for you, then you probably shouldn't leave your house. Sorry if I offend someone but the truth hurts at times. I've had to hear it and face it about a lot of things. You suck it up and drive on or you let the world tear you down.
Leon Brunty , First, I am not fa and I did not assume you were thin; I saw your picture next to your post. I too work with mental health/addiction patients but I am compassionate towards mine. I am NOT the type of person that wants government to intervene, I am probably the staunchest republican and I wish government would stay out of everything. I don't even believe in the political correctness of not calling someone obese. I think the truth is the begining of change. I just think these people need understanding and advocacy not bullying and self-righteous, holier-than-thou attitudes that are being expressed here. What gives anyone here the right to judge someone?? I'm glad you lost 180lbs, I'm proud of you, but before that, you obviously did have a problem so you know the issues these people are dealing with. If you can't find some pity for them, then I think you have a little self-loathing.
Kelly Calder I work on a ward with mental health patients, drug addicts and alcoholics. I see addiction every day. I didn't really mean that food addiction is harder to deal with, I meant it is just as hard and has the added difficulty of having to face your addiction every day at mealtimes. Drug addicts do not have to be around drugs ever again if they don't want to. Food is in your pantry all day long. I don't have a problem with a Doctor telling a person they have a problem with any addiction. I don't have a problem with the word obese when used by medical staff to help a patient understand their problem. What I take issue with, is people who think that obese people are not trying, are lazy, are stupid, or are worthless and that they are fair game for the abuse that is being written about them on this forum (not by you, you were pretty unoffensive). Since when has degradation and ridicule helped any addict?? We have to use tough love, but tough love is firm and compassionate at the same time. Just because someone is obese, is not proof that they are lazy. Genetics, emotions, mental health, stress, hormones, and many other factors contribute to a person's weight. My husband can eat all the candy and brownies he wants in one sitting and never gains a pound. I can just look at a brownie and gain weight. Many kids grow up in families that don't understand healthy eating habits. They are chubby right from the begining. After being ridiculed all through school and after trying and failing to lose weight, they often have so much emotional baggage as adults that they just continue to gain. Morbid obesity is on the rise and I definitely think something needs to be done to help the situation. But as you can see from many of the posts here, some people would rather ridicule and berate these people than they would reach out a hand and try to help them.
Helen A. Warner It doesn't matter if they don't want to – they will find a way to get drugs. Like I said, my ex got into drugs and I think he's back on them but I don't know for sure. I'm not around him all the time.
A lot of people who are extremely obese are just lazy. There are people who try to get obese to break records or other weird reasons. They're not stupid – but some are lazy.
Parents need to be parents and not let kids have whatever they want – that's why kids are too obese.
Kim Willis …And you are rude, a bully, and probably not worth arguing with…but maybe one day something will happen that will make you understand people a little better and give you some compassion for others. Until that day, you should keep your pie hole shut as it makes you sound like an immature high school student.
Helen A. Warner Thank You Helen! I happen to be a person who has dealt with my weight since I was a child. My whole family on both sides were Overweight. Most of us didn't live together and didn't eat the same foods or have the same routine. The Word "OBESE" is offensive and hearing that word does not make me thinner. I have many family members who have had By Pass surgery, that failed. I stopped gaining when I stopped dieting. Depravation has been part of the reason for my weight gain. The more I deprived myself, the more I wanted to eat.
There are many Descrimination Laws, but Persecuting A person who deals with their weight is always "OPEN SEASON". ACCEPTED!
No one has the answer, if they did this epidemic would not exist.
Great picture, I think.
Maybe too real…
I see luggage in the pic, Is she about to get on a plane? I hope they search that! OMG.
evolving, just like obama's gay marriage stance..lol.
Man, that is one strong chair! Titanium maybe? Seriously, whoever this is – GET SOME HELP!
The British government is even more radical liberal than our government is. They allow Sharia law for Pete's sake…….in a country that has ZERO Muslim background. A lot of misinformed Americans think life is better over there than it is here. Sorry to say, I disagree. Don't let the cute accent fool you guv'nah.
As far as this article goes. What utter hogwash. Screw your feelings. You got yourself there, you deserve the ridicule that follows. I'm not talking about the medically obese either (although every obese person I've spoken to about their weight has some medical/sob story about why it's not their fault). Take responsibility for your actions people……oh wait……there IS NO personal responsibility in this country or the U.K. for that matter. Everyone is a victim.
If you're obese, you're obese. There is no way around it. Like that picture above…I'm sorry but that person is OBESE! NO ONE should be that large. That is just pure laziness on the person's part. When I see people who are 300, 400 and up to 1000 pounds, it just makes me wonder. I gained about 10-15 lbs when I was in my last unit and that got my attention to lose the weight (and I was slightly over what the Army allows me to weigh before getting taped). BUT I also did not like how I looked or how I felt. No one else noticed too much – well my brother did and made smartass comments – but it was MY view of myself that made me change – work out more, eat better than I was.
If people just get on the right program for THEM – not every workout works the same for two people. But eating junk food, fast food, – basically sugars – does no one any good. You can't eat too much of anything – balance is the key.
This is not yours or anyone's business to demean or pursecute someone for a problem that they already know exist. It is against the law to descriminate against ethnic groups, gays, etc. But you feel it's OK! to torture those who for one reason or another is self tortured already. Latino's want people to stop calling Illegals (Illegal), as according to the Latino's it's DE-HUMANIZING! Well guess what, stareing or commenting, or shaking a head in disapproval toward someone who apparently has a serious weight problem, (THAT'S DE-HUMINIZING) I'm happy to hear that you are so perfect. I personally, who has been battling my weight my whole life feel that you are a Perfect Monster. No one has the solution on how to fix this Weight Issue, you think you do, but you don't. The Government thinks that exercise, along with starving etc. is the answer that won't work either. I could write a book on every diet or healthy eating solution there is, as well as all the exercises on the market (TRUST ME, I'VE DONE THEM ALL). First, not everyone is an Olympic Star, not everyone eats like rabbits. An Elephant is a Vegetarian, but will never look like A Gazelle. It took me 65 yrs. to love myself, and I will not allow someone as SHALLOW! as you to take me down. You look in a mirror and see the UGLINESS! that stares back at you. I as an overweight, but loving person see an Ugly Society who actually believes that if they shame someone, that will make them change no matter what their flaws are. MAY GOD FORGIVE ALL OF YOU!
Jean Carlson hum so what do you call a person who is "underweight" I am going to guess your answer is "anorexic" so if that is the case should that not be allowed? If that also gets changed then where does it end? Obese is not a offenive term it is a medical term and if your sentive to it then that means it's time for a change.
Cedric Winchester Jr. I don't call anyone anything, as it's not my job to judge or give names. I don't have a problem that I want to change, as I have had to learn over the years to accept who I am and what I am supposed to look like. You see, all animals are not alike. According to your picture that I see in front of me, you look Dark Skinned, I'm light skinned. I would believe that you would expect people to respect who you are, as I would expect the same. The picture in this article is a cruel way of De-Meaning whoever that person is. No one has the right to Torture or DeMean any living creature. No one knows why this person looks like that. The word "Obese" IS OFFENSIVE! as much as any DISCRIPTIVE! words can be Offensive to certain groups of people. If that is OFFENSIVE! to you because people may feel that way, than I have to ask why you are offended by someone else's condition. Are you personally affected by that persons "OBESITY" does it keep you from earning a living or supporting your family, or keep you from living your life?????? NO! It has nothing to do with you.
Cedric Winchester Jr. I don't call anyone anything, as it's not my job to judge or give names. I don't have a problem that I want to change, as I have had to learn over the years to accept who I am and what I am supposed to look like. You see, all animals are not alike. According to your picture that I see in front of me, you look Dark Skinned, I'm light skinned. I would believe that you would expect people to respect who you are, as I would expect the same. The picture in this article is a cruel way of De-Meaning whoever that person is. No one has the right to Torture or DeMean any living creature. No one knows why this person looks like that. The word "Obese" IS OFFENSIVE! as much as any DISCRIPTIVE! words can be Offensive to certain groups of people. If that is OFFENSIVE! to you because people may feel that way, than I have to ask why you are offended by someone else's condition. Are you personally affected by that persons "OBESITY" does it keep you from earning a living or supporting your family, or keep you from living your life?????? NO! It has nothing to do with you.
Jean Carlson, how is a proper medical term offensive? I could understand if a doctor looked at someone and said "Wow you are a huge fat ass. What the hell is wrong with you? Get off your fat ass and work on it." But how is it offensive for a health professional to actually call acknowledge someone suffering from obesity as "obese?"
edit: "call or acknowledge"
Jean Carlson – Obese is a medical term. When did I “judge” anyone in my original post? Never. I said that when someone GETS TO 300+ in weight that is wrong. NO human should weigh that much. No one. That signals a problem when you can’t fit through your door. Or sit in a chair. We shouldn’t be “conforming” to people who are too lazy to lose the weight. Do some people have medical problems? Yes – BUT they are the ones who are TRYING everything to lose it and don’t expect pity or sympathy AND don’t get offended.
Are you 300+ lbs? Or are you getting offended FOR obese people? I don’t know how calling someone “obese” is “torture.” I think if someone is an illegal immigrant they should be called illegal. That’s politicians doing that – just like this thing in Britain. I have never heard an obese person get “offended” for being called that. Now if someone is a little chunky but otherwise healthy and just “look” fat – then no. Why call them that? That’s just being mean. What is more “dehumanizing?” Being called a proper medical term OR not fitting in a chair like the picture? Or not being able to do daily functions because that person let themselves go?
I never said I was perfect ma’am. Never. I am not. I look at myself and see all kinds of imperfections. I never said anyone was perfect OR what perfect looks like because it doesn’t exist. No one on the planet is perfect.
Starving yourself is definitely NOT the way to lose weight. That actually makes people gain different types of fat. I tell people not to starve themselves. EXERCISE AND EATING HEALTHY are the only ways to lose weight – unless you get gastric bypass surgery. If you are THAT extreme that you need that, then that should send warning bells. I am NOT an “Olympic star.” FAR from it. I am not as athletic as I was in high school. I only just turned 30 but the Army has broken me down physically that I feel 50 some days. BUT I know how to take care of myself and what I can do. I don’t exercise all the time. I probably should more to maintain better but I’m at a comfortable weight and a weight in line with Army regs. No one said you have to be a vegetarian to lose weight – in fact it’s bad to JUST eat vegetables sometimes.
I never said fat or obese was “ugly.” Never. I said it was unhealthy for someone to weigh as much as some people do. If you have to have the wall to a house taken out to remove you (general you not specific you) then that’s WRONG. I didn’t say ugly, I just said wrong. I don’t care if it offends someone. I’ve heard all kinds of things. But shallow – never. I am the least shallow person. I don’t hate myself but I am my own worst critic. I don’t see ugliness. I just see little things. That’s normal.
Obviously ma’am you have some issues you are STILL dealing with. That’s not my – or anyone else’s – problem. But “obese” is a clinical term. What the hell should they call someone with that problem? So like Cedric said what about anorexics or bulimics? Do we stop using that word because it might “offend” even though it’s an actual disease? What do you think when you see someone super skinny? I bet the thought “Wow she/he could use a dinner or two.” Don’t deny it – everyone pre-judges a person when they see them.
Actually sometimes I may be affected by an obese person. When we have obese people in the Army, they get kicked out but that takes away time and training that could have been used on someone else. I don’t think everyone should look the same and in your picture Jean, I wouldn’t call you obese. You don’t look obese or fat at all. Obese is the person in that picture above. I didn’t say ugly – but there is a serious HEALTH ISSUE there. You don’t look like that from your profile pic. If you love yourself, fine. That’s awesome. But we can’t just change clinical terms because someone is offended or MIGHT be offended because then we will have no words left!!
Erik Henkel Well, I spoke to my Dr. about how Society is willing to persecute someone for being "OVERWEIGHT". While it is against The Law to "DESCRININATE", most people like yourself feel it's open season to "DESCRIMINATE" against anyone who is dealing with a weight problem.
His response was that "IGNORANCE IS BLISS"!
An Elephant is a Vegetarian, but isn't built like a Gazelle.
Why don't you get some classes dealing with SENSITIVITY or ADVERSITY!
Or maybe you should Ask For God's Forgiveness.
I feel more sorry for you, as I'm trying to understand how someone like you think you are so perfect that you should judge others.
Jean Carlson What is "descrininate?" And why are you talking to your doctor about society's perception toward obese or overweight people? You mean a medical doctor or a psychiatrist? Why do you keep talking about elephants? Maybe you need to see a therapist – you seem to still have issues and you're attacking people for no reason.
Kelly Calder Auto Ammune Dificiency is a medical term also, but if you see someone you suspect has AIDS, who are you to use that medical term to discuss their condition. What is between a Dr. and A Patient is one thing, open discussions for the purpose of Demeaning a particular group crosses the line.
I personally have never been addressed by my Dr. as being Obese.
I believe that all Dr.'s take an Oath to treat patients with dignity, while finding ways of helping without hurting.
The Word OBESE! is as offensive, as a certain word describing African Americans.
Jean Carlson I am not a doctor so I can't "suspect" someone has AIDS. There is HIV, then there is AIDS. Considering the advances made that actually help people with AIDS, you can't really tell when someone even has AIDS anymore. For one, I don't even know the symptoms of someone with AIDS. If someone TOLD me they had AIDS, then I would call it AIDS. That's what it is and that's how you would discuss it. Did you really just compare AIDS to obesity? Someone doesn't choose to get AIDS. People make life choices that cause obesity. I'm pretty sure obesity is the PC term for overweight.
Obese is not offensive!! You're just too damn sensitive and you say you're comfortable with yourself but you're not. You obviously have serious issues. You haven't been addressed by your doctor as obese because you AREN'T! Judging from your picture, you don't look obese at all. My dad is overweight and he knows it – and he has some health problems due to it. But he works all the time and when he comes home he's tired. But I care about him so I tell him some little things he can do to lose some weight – but he's stubborn and he said he's old so he doesn't really care. But he does try at times. My stepmom calls herself fat and that makes me mad. Yeah she's a bit overweight but she has migraines and stuff so she can't always work out. I get that. BUT – I give her advice on what to do and when she feels good, she goes out and walks.
It's all about personal motivation and will power. I have to stay in shape for my job BUT I also feel like crap when I eat junk food or fast food. Like I literally feel sick if I eat it because I stopped eating it so much.
I am not perfect but neither are you. If someone is obese, they're obese. That's all there is to it. The more you tiptoe around feelings, the worse off people can get.
Kelly Calder My problem is that you are talking about this issue as a Judge and Jury.
I know many people who deal with their weight and it is mortifying to hear the word "OBESE" there are people who are having their insides rearranged to surgically lose weight. There are individuals who stress to the point which creates more anxiety thus creating the end results of eating & gaining more weight. (Don't shoot the messenger because you don't like the message). I was born into a family who are short and stout, everyone deals with their weight differently. There comes a time when those people have to love themselves and forget about what you think. This is very serious and from experience I have been on both sides of the Spectrum. You say you keep yourself fit. Good for you, but don't descriminate against others not looking or acting like you. God made us all different and he did not leave it up to you to decide what is right or wrong. Your a Bully who likes to pick on someone with weight issues. You seem to have opinion issues. That's OK! as long as your not deliberately hurting someone. Calling someone "Obese" hurts people, whether it's a medical term or not. Our Society can't pick and choose who it is OK to hurt and for whatever reason.
Would you talk about a person who is "Gay"? (With an Attitude)?
I will fight till the day I die, to make sick minded individuals understand that it's society who is creating the "OBESE" problem. Every time someone talks about a person who has a weight problem shouldn't eat this or that, that person wants those foods even more. In spite of all the programs and diets and books and weight loss machines etc., the problem has not gone away. So unless you have actually lived in a heavy persons shoes, you have nothing to add from experience. Please don't use 10 or 15 lbs as a weight problem.
That's a joke!
The English have consciously decided that using THE OBESE WORD! is hurtful.
Unless you have A "REAL WEIGHT PROBLEM" please believe them.
I'M SAYING IT'S SO!
Jean Carlson No I'm not. That's your perception but it's a misperception. I'm sorry that some people struggle but when a person weighs as much as a car, that's obese. That's not healthy or even right. Human beings are not meant to weigh 300+ pounds. If you're like a football linebacker maybe you can get away with that weight.
Society is not "creating" obesity. YOU are the problem. So you're going to tell me someone who weighs like 500 lbs should just forget about losing weight and just love themselves? No. That's retarded. And it's wrong.
Are you a medical professional? Who the hell are you to say "it's so?" You're no one. You have issues. Go deal with them and stop burying them inside. No one is perfect and I'm the first to criticize myself. But I know that someone weighing as much as a car that's not normal. It never has been and never will be. Get over yourself.
Kelly Calder I'm trying to make you understand that all creatures are different sizes and you can't expect everyone to all be built the same. COMPASSION! is the key word. No matter what the situation is, NO ONE HAS A RIGHT TO JUDGE ANOTHER! You are asking me why I would talk with my Dr.? Because he knows my medical history and what I have to deal with.
I had to understand the mentality of those who can't relate to others. (IGNORANCE IS BLISS) it can't be more clear. Does all medical conditions need Psychiatry? I don't know, do you need to see a Psychiatrist to understand that all living creatures are different? I guess, as you are having trouble understanding why people have "A WEIGHT PROBLEM", I'm having a problem understanding why you shoud even care? What makes you think you should JUDGE! anyone's condition as it is, no matter what it is. After posting A; what I call is a know it all response to this article, I have to wonder if you realize that there are human beings your talking about? Do you really believe that any person with substantial weight can't see what they look like? If a person could SNAP! their fingers and just make the problem go away, don't you think they would? IT IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM, NOT JUST A DIRTY FACE THAT CAN BE FIXED WITH A WET WASH CLOTH.
Diet and exercise may not be the problem. There are thousands of reasons that people gain weight.
Kelly Calder Am I speaking to a Drill Sargeant? Or are you just military personell who has been brainwashed because of the training that you have had? I'm sure your dad cares about his weight, but sometimes when your working hard and not feeling well, test tasting & eating like a rabbit can be depressing. He just may want to be left alone to be happy doing what he enjoys. Your very judgemental, as you are telling me to get help, as well as calling me retarded, etc. FYI! Aids has a history, look it up. Many who have come down with AIDS got it from doing drugs, ( Dirty Needles) or from Gay Relationships etc.. There are others who got AIDS through transfusions and other sources. (No Fault Of Their Own) Those are less common. When you say "I try to teach my father" It sounds like you think that you are wiser than he is. You are very SHALLOW!
Maybe you are the one with " THE ISSUES".
Jean Carlson You obviously aren't understanding what I'm saying. I have said that multiple times that everyone is different. I would hate for everyone to be the same. However, HUMANS ARE NOT MEANT TO BE BUILT THE SAME SIZE AS CARS!!! It's just not healthy at all.
I asked why would you talk to your doctor about society's view – that's not a medical thing. That's just getting a PERSONAL opinion on society. I guarantee part of medical school is not "what does society think?" I didn't ask why would you talk to him about your medical history. Do you even read what I write?
Ignorance is bliss – I wish I still lived in that world sometimes. Why would I care if someone has a weight problem? Well if they're my family I will care about their health. If it's a stranger – it's a drain on taxpayers sometimes.
Yeah I know I'm talking about human beings. I haven't judged anyone or said anything judgmental. You have though. You are judging all the people who disagree with you.
There are reasons that people gain weight but two of the key reasons ARE diet and exercise – or lack of.
You aren't comprehending anything I'm writing so I'll leave it at this. I'm not a fan of talking to a wall – which is what it's like talking to you. Pointless.
Kelly Calder AIDS, ALCOHOL, CIGARETTES, ANOREXIA, MENTAL ILLNESS, SEXUAL ADDICTIONS, DRUGS, CRIME, WELFARE / ENTITLEMENTS, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND POLITICIANS ETC. ARE A DRAIN ON TAXPAYERS, WE ARE BECOMING A SOCIALIST STATE.
WHY WOULD I TALK TO MY DR.?
SO HE COULD HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE SO CONCERNED ABOUT STRANGERS HEALTH ISSUES.
WHY PEOPLE LIKE YOU, WHO ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO MAKE JUDGEMENT, THINK (YOU) ARE.
WHEN YOU SAY PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BECOME LARGE, DID YOU INSTANTLY FIX THE PROBLEM BY SAYING THAT?
ARE YOU AFRAID OF A DR. CALLING YOU IGNORANT?
AGAIN; YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHY PEOPLE GAIN WEIGHT.
LAST, YOU ARE THE "WALL" AND AN OFFENSIVE OPINIONATED ONE AT THAT.
HOW IS THAT FOR CALLING NAMES.
BE KIND TO YOUR LOVED ONES, AND DON'T "ASSUME" THEY APPRECIATE YOUR JUDGEMENTAL INPUT!
GOOD NIGHT & GOOD BUY!
Jean Carlson Really lady?
1. Why are you yelling? (That's what all caps means).
2. You just listed a bunch of medical disorders – and what is your point? Those are all disorders like OBESITY so what should we do? Re-label them to not "offend" drug users, alcoholics, anorexics, mentally ill, sex adidcts, etc?
3. Unless your doctor is also a psychiatrist, he isn't the person you talk to about society's views on obesity AND a therapist can't help you with OTHERS views. A therapist would help you with YOUR views and struggles. THAT is why I asked why you talked to him.
4. By saying people should not be the size of a car obviously won't fix the problem that people have of weighing the same as a car. Duh.
5. Why would a doctor call me "ignorant?"
6. I don't know why every single person gains weight but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure what CAUSES weight gain.
7. I am not the "wall" and I am not "offensive." I am opinionated – so what? So are you – so it's okay for you to have an opinion but no one else? I didn't "call names." I just said talking to you is LIKE talking to a wall.
8. I am kind to my loved ones and they do appreciate when I tell them to truth. I am not "judgmental." If you want judgmental and name calling, I can do that. I can show you what that is.
Kelly Calder I am screaming, as you are hearing impaired.
Most disorders are self inflicted!!!!!!
Are you a Therapist? (NO)
Are you a Dr.? (NO)
A Dr. has as much right to OPINION! as you do. "IGNORANCE IS BLISS" is an OPINION!
Actually The Dr. has more right to make an OPINION on health issues that affect any part of the body. (YOU DON'T)
Why would you think a Dr. that I would speak to would call you personally "IGNORANT"?
Do you have a guilty conscience, by the things you say about "OBESITY"?
"IGNORANCE IS BLISS"
Lack of Education, (Ignorance)
Being happy about not knowing, (Bliss)
That is a GENERAL DESCRIPTION of people who do not know what they are talking about.
Rocket Science has not found a solution either. (It's a mystery)!
Apparently it will take a lot more study, to what causes weight gain, as we have how many over weight people in this Country? (Do you really believe they like being over weight)?
Like Cancer and many other diseases the problem has not been fixed.
MY OWN OPINION, IS BY MY OWN LIFES EXPERIENCES AND THEY ADD UP TO MORE THAN A DR.'S DEGREE IN COLLEGE. (Can You Hear Me)?
60 years to be exact.
There are many unsolved mysteries.
I call you judgemental due to your "OPINION" about "OBESITY".
READ YOUR OWN DIALOGUE CAREFULLY!
Jean Carlson Well I can't be hearing imparied via written text. You can't hear text – you read it.
Did I ever say I was a doctor? No I did not. Did I ever say I was a therapist? No I did not. BUT how would you know that unless I told you. What if I was? Then what would your come back be.
Actually if a doctor's specialty is not psychiatry he/she does not have an opinion. They only cover a little bit if they are a medical doctor.
"Lack of education?" You don't know my education level.
I'm done with being nice. Here it is bluntly: You are a pathetic old woman who has SEVERE emotional issues and is unhappy with herself. You pretend that you are happy with yourself but you're not so you go on forums like this and attack other people who you don't even know.
You have horrible grammar, horrible spelling and you misuse quotations as well.
Get a fucking life, stop being a bitter old woman and get off your damn high horse. You're not better than anyone else. So stop acting like you are. Pathetic.
No worries, I just didn't know if someone hacked your account, I couldn't see you saying something like that
That's enough butt for three people. Definitely don't want that coming out a 7th floor window at you. The ladder truck might tip.
Can we just go back to saying "Fat".
Thick or large person sounds less offensive to me. Shoot I've been called fat, so my BOSS put me on a diet. That's just for me just sayinnnnnn mannnnn.
ObamaCare needs this word! Now that it is a disease and thus somehow requires goverment-run health care, we must keep the name!
More "politically correct" speech…give me a break!
"Obese" is the kinder, gentler term, overweight people used to be fat. What's next? Are we going to start calling 90 year olds "young" to avoid hurting their feelings?
Looks like the fat a** in the chair is "evolving" too.
if you are fat, you are a fat ass…what are you going to tell them…they have a bit too much flesh on their bone? Obese is a more proper word as compared to fat! if they cant see they are fat, then they need someone to tell them!
I had to watch my weight all of my career in the army and it was relatively easy by exercise and work. people sit around on their ass and do nothing to keep it off!
You have no idea how they put on weight or what their problem is. You are judging according to your own accomplishments. Well how about confessing your own flaws, I'm sure they're there somewhere.
Jean Carlson they must be intelligent enough to see what their paoblem(s) are and work to contradict thsoe problesm and get that weight down. nothing is impossible if they work at ti but most have gotten so obese that they are just lazy and not enough motivitation to start to deal with their problems, instead they just add to their problems. it all boils down to laziness!!! plain and simple!!
Jean Carlson You are judging on your own experiences.
sorry if they are offended when called obese. Don't they care about their body or only their stomach.
would not want to sit next to on a plane or in a movie.
Smokers said what is next and who is next. And you Shamoos stuck on dry land agreed with the anti smokers!
Where can you buy a HD chair like that? I need one to set my rebuilt car engine on.
This picture shows a "FAT PIECE OF SHIT" that should kill herself NOW or lose 300 pounds NOW – first we couldn't say FAT because FAT pieces of shit might take offense and we were told to use the term OBESE and now we can't say obese because some FAT PIECE OF SHIT might take offense – where does this BULLSHIT stop? A FAT PIECE OF SHIT IS A FAT PIECE OF SHIT IS A FAT PIECE OF SHIT no matter what you might want to call them and I don't want to hear any god damned EXCUSES. PERIOD!
I think that's a picture of my boss!