May 31, 2012
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A Boston attorney is demanding that a Massachusetts town remove a 53-year-old cross from a traffic island because it overhangs a state right-of-way by approximately six inches and therefore he claims it represents a violation of the separation of church and state.
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The cross was erected by the Middleboro Kiwanis Club in 1959. The 12-foot statue is made of brick and includes the word “worship”. It serves as an unofficial welcome sign for travelers entering Middleboro along Route 28.
A spokesperson for the Massachusetts Dept. of Transportation confirmed to Fox News Radio that the attorney supplied photographs of the “religious symbol” and filed a complaint demanding that the cross be removed.
The attorney happened to be driving through town, saw the cross and reportedly became offended.
State officials reviewed the matter and determined that one arm of the cross overhangs the state right of way by about six inches.
“MassDOT engineers determined that the cross does not pose a safety hazard,” the spokesperson said, noting they have offered to assist the town in relocating the cross off public property.
Al Rullo, chairman of the Middleboro Board of Selectmen, told Fox News Radio that the statue is actually anchored on town property – and said he’s dumbfounded that someone would have a problem.
“We don’t think it’s offensive to anyone,” he said. “This is not hurting or embarrassing anybody.”
The American Civil Liberties Union told television station WBZ that even if a fraction of the cross was on state property it would violate church and state separation laws. The ACLU told the television station that there are two options – either remove the cross or open up the traffic island to all forms of expression.
Rullo said the state has not officially contacted the town – so for now – the cross is staying put.
“That cross has been there for 53 years,” he said. “It’s fairly generic in nature. It doesn’t specify one religion over another. It just has the word worship on it.”
Local residents are overwhelmingly in favor of keeping the cross — and many believe the attorney is just making a mountain out of a mole hill.
“I’m not a Constitutional lawyer, but this issue of separation of church and state has been carried to an extreme,” Rullo said. “The government can’t give preferential treatment to one religion over another. They didn’t want a state sponsored religion.”
He said the Kiwanis Cross does not constitute a state-sponsored religion.
“As far as I’m concerned, local policy has never been influenced by the presence of that cross,” he said. “Local policy has never favored one religion over another.”
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Can someone please slap this bigoted attorney? This is ridiculous, like crying over spilt milk. The question that comes to mind is if this crybaby attorney is even from this town, and if he was just driving through, its just kind of silly if he annoints himself as the anti-cross police, going from town to town looking for some kind of violation to crusade against. This is nothing but a frivolous complaint and the "seperation of church/state" crowd are getting way too carried away with what offends them. Its offensive that they exist, but I guess we have to tolerate them just like they're going to have to tolerate the cross.
you beat me to the same conclusion…time to just start beating these people..enough is enough
Is it okay with you if the Wiccans erect a pentagram aside of the cross…no? Then take the cross down…why do communities feel the need to put these "false idols" up anyway…do you think that God is watching and will think your must be a great community to erect a cross?
Betsy Heckman A Wiccan symbol would reflect a specific religion. Why are you (and the lawyer) afraid of any mention of a higher power?
People of other faiths might find a cross on public land offensive. Would you mind if someone slapped an Islamic symbol next to that cross – how about a Star of David?
People of other faiths might find a cross on public land offensive. Would you mind if someone slapped an Islamic symbol next to that cross – how about a Star of David?
Betsy Heckman
Where have wiccans set up pentagrams at? Ive never heard of attorneys going after that sort of display nor have I heard of this symbol displayed anywhere in the country. Betsy, darling, this town has no problem with the cross, its probably been around longer than this attorney has been alive, and all these years, no one has complained except for this guy while driving through. Its a grand stupid thing to suddenly feel offended over the symbol of a faith. Lighten up.
Betsy Heckman
Where have wiccans set up pentagrams at? Ive never heard of attorneys going after that sort of display nor have I heard of this symbol displayed anywhere in the country. Betsy, darling, this town has no problem with the cross, its probably been around longer than this attorney has been alive, and all these years, no one has complained except for this guy while driving through. Its a grand stupid thing to suddenly feel offended over the symbol of a faith. Lighten up.
Because the community might have a strong Christian background. who-wudda-thunk in a nation that was at one point heavily Christian. When you remove people's ability to celebrate as a whole what they believe then you remove the essence of free speech. Athiests just want religious people to shut up and go away. That's a violation of my rights when they want all the ability in the world to promote anti-religous doctrine. I'd suggest heading over to CNN… far more angry anti-religion nut jobs over there.
Because the community might have a strong Christian background. who-wudda-thunk in a nation that was at one point heavily Christian. When you remove people's ability to celebrate as a whole what they believe then you remove the essence of free speech. Athiests just want religious people to shut up and go away. That's a violation of my rights when they want all the ability in the world to promote anti-religous doctrine. I'd suggest heading over to CNN… far more angry anti-religion nut jobs over there.
@Matthew Larson: We don't want you to shut up and go away … we want you to stop trying to force your religious beliefs down the throats of others who do not believe. Stop trying to pass laws based upon your religious beliefs that affect all of us. Stop using public property to display your religious symbols.
@Matthew Larson: We don't want you to shut up and go away … we want you to stop trying to force your religious beliefs down the throats of others who do not believe. Stop trying to pass laws based upon your religious beliefs that affect all of us. Stop using public property to display your religious symbols.
@Matthew Larson: It doesn't matter if 99% of the community has a strong christian background: the government cannot endorse any specific religion. Putting a religious symbol on public property is endorsing that religion. Celebrate and practice your religion all you want: but keep it off public property, out of public schools, and out of the government.
Jammer Man, please point out where in the Constitution does it mention the seperation of church and state? Christianity isnt going away, it has withstood the test of time and it you hate it that much, I dare you to try and do something about it. All attempts to stomp out Christianity only makes it stronger. If you feel offended by the sight of a cross, then allow me to give you some tissue to wipe your offended eyes with, because that all you people do is cry cry cry. Get over it and I would suggest you feel offended by something more worthy than a cross put up in a town where no one has complained since the late 50's until now.
@Ralph Dahm: If the town has no problem with a Wiccan symbol, a Star of David, Moon and Star (Islam) or any other religious symbol placed next to that cross, then there is no legal issue. If the town prevents other religious symbols from being erected next to that cross, then they are endorsing one specific religion and that is illegal.
Betsy, you do realize that a cross isn't an Idol at all right? The cross is a SYMBOL, just like your Pentagram would be. The cross isn't just a Christian symbol, you are aware of this, right? Put whatever you want on the side of the road, just make sure it's not leaning over 6 inches onto state land or I'll throw a hissy fit like a two year old child. Wait, nope, I wouldn't care then either.
Joel Rivera… I love the story about Voltaire who made the prediction that Christianity would be a dead religion within 100 years of his death…he died and after his death the American Bible Society bought the house he lived in and from that house print thousands and thousands of Bibles routinely. Still the worlds best selling book. Gotta love the irony. God says His Word will survive. It has survived many attempts to eradicate it…and under persecution the church will become stronger and purer!!
Joel, you hit the nail on the head. Some atheists apparently have nothing better to do than ride around the country trying to stir up trouble. This has happened in several states recently including Rhode Island where they want a cross removed from a 90 year old WWII memorial. It's sad these people have nothing better to do than attack Christianity.
Ralph, I read Betsy's post. Your comments sound like you are responding to SOMEONE ELSE's post, not hers. Read it again.
Joel its not about being offended. Its about public use of land. Hosting a christian statue on public land is government endorsement of one religion over another. How do you not get that? And more importantly, why do you require the government to recognize your religion and host statues related to it? What harm would it be to move this to private land?
Betsy Heckman Hey jerk…..Most people do not think that it is a "false idol." You non-believers are in a very small minority, and you are trying to control what believers think. You don't believe? Good, then your decision stands for eternity. Now, go play in traffic!
NIck because it wasn't set up by the city or the government. It was provided by the Middleboro Kiwanis Club. So your arguement that the government put it there is false.Also it was erected probably with private donations. And to your point about requiring the government to recognize Christianity over another religion is false. The government is doing everything it can to get rid of Christianity from america by acknowledging other faiths.
Betsy Heckman – The cross was put up 50 years ago by the Kiwanis Club!!! The notion of separation of church and state is NOT mentioned in the Constitution. It was coined by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to a presbyterian minister. If the people of the town didn't like it, it would have been taken down a long time ago. The attorney complaining should just get a life!
Betsy Heckman – The cross was put up 50 years ago by the Kiwanis Club!!! The notion of separation of church and state is NOT mentioned in the Constitution. It was coined by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to a presbyterian minister. If the people of the town didn't like it, it would have been taken down a long time ago. The attorney complaining should just get a life!
Betsy Heckman : Your ignorance is showing. Are you an Obama supporter?
John Callahan, first let me say as a non-christian, I would never ever advise someone to play in traffic. Why so nasty? Its amazing how much hatred and vitriol comes from people who claim to follow jesus. No one is trying to control what you believe. They are trying to make things fair for everyone. No one has taken away your right to believe whatever it is you believe. No one is taking away rights to display your statues on private land. This is public land, and it represents ALL citizens, even those in the minority. Move it to private land, why do you need the government to validate your belief system? I certainly don't.
@ Betsy Heckman False idols? Oh, because Wiccans have got "real" idols? now, like I said in my post, I do not believe in god,but come on, Wiccan is not a frigging religion. It is a bunch of idiots who wanted to shock their Christian family by being something that would contrast their beliefs. I have spent time with them before. You wanna talk about crazy "religious" morons? Thats Wiccans pure and simple.
Nick Wright wake up nick the cross is a symbol in many religions. Not to mention there is no such thing as seperation of church and state and I challenge you to find it in the constitution. The only thing mentioned is that the state cannot sponsor a religion and this symbol is anchored on land owned by the town. If a cross offends you then I feel very bad for you as a person because no symbol or statue anywhere offends me because I understand as a christian God gave us free will to choose for ourselves what to believe in. I for one believe in God and if the world continues the path you would like them to a whole bunch of people will get to meet lucifer instead.
betsy is just a lost liberal who is watching her messiah fail miserably. cut her some slack, she's under a lot of stress, lol.
Betsy Heckman – just because you aren't a Christian you don't have to spew your beliefs on those of us that are. Leave the cross alone and leave Christianity alone also. We don't tell you how to live your life and you shouldn't be telling us how and what we should believe.
What makes me sick is the 5% crying about my cross and yet we are the 95%.
We are letting this 5% destroy this country. I say its time for north vs south again.
This time its the way left against the rest. The biggest problem lies with life appointed MORON judges. They are pathectic. Why also does this only happen in states that allow gay marriage, shelter for illegals, support of child pedifiles, anti-military, and so on.
I say GET THE HELL OUT.
Herbert, go put YOUR cross on private property you douchebag. By the way, 10 years from now all states will allow gay marriage and history will look upon you for the ignorant bigot that you are.
I understand your concern. I just want to know, as I'm sure your do, just which religion this cross fosters. I see nothing Cahtholic, Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, Episcopal or any other sect on that cross.. Christianity is not a religion. It is a philosophy. Worship whom? Bet if I said Allah he would run and hide lest he lose his head over it.
Betsy…
As far as I'm concerned you can put up a pentagram, a broom rack or even a pair of mouse ears….
The constitution guarantees separation OF church and state, not FROM….
As it stands, the atheist faith gets to show their belief at the expense of the rest of us… that's not going to fly.
Nick Wright KISS MY ASS YOU QUEER. You dont like it tough..
Maybe this is where we do need a muslim state to hang a-holes like you
Betsy…seems the Wicca definition DOES have symbols for deity, deity indication a higher being. What makes Wicca more 'genuine' than any others? Get over it and get a life.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicca>
Reid, how is the athiest "faith" (which is really an oxymoron, atheists don't use faith, they use reason) being represented by the government? I don't see any government endorsement of atheism. Government neutrality on religion(guaranteed by our constitution) is not the same thing as endorsing atheism. If the government was endorsing atheism, instead of a cross, you'd see a sign that says something like 'there is no god'. until such a time where that occurs, you have no argument there.
Herbert Krebs, for someone hellbent on pushing christianity on the masses, you sure don't do much to act like your christ. you're a fucking idiot dude.
Herbert Krebs, you sure don't act like that christ guy you try to push on everyone. Maybe you and your ilk should find another country that supports oppressing those who don't agree with your religion. Like Iran? Saudi Arabia? I hear Uganda is nice this time of year.
Betsy, I wouldnt care if someone erected a burning terd. Its not offensive to me. So leave my cross alone.
Thats always the reply from a athiest…YOU DONT ACT CHRISTIAN…how would you even know….and all I can say is comon Nov…Looks like welker going to win wisc. and Obama in big trouble…..This country was founded on christian theology…why dont u and your group go start your own country somewhere on a volcano.. instead of destroying this one.
@Herbert Krebs, I know plenty about the christianity and the bible. I'd venture to say its quite possible I know more about it than you Herbert. I was raised Catholic. Went to catholic school and even catholic college. Through my own reasoning, I deduced that religion is a man-made invention, created for multiple reasons.
1. to provide in a meaning in life.
2. to give comfort that someday you will be reunited with your loved ones.
3. hope of an afterlife.
4. Authoritative purposes, to control others through fear of hell.
I can understand why someone clings to religion. But for me, faith does not work. There's no evidence, there's no basis for anything in the bible. There's some good values in there, most of jesus's teachings are quite fine ways to live by. But morality pre-dates christianity. For example, Confucius mentions the 'golden rule' 500 years prior to the existence of jesus. I prefer to live my life in a moral and ethical manner and I don't need a higher power or an old book to tell me right from wrong or that I should do the right thing. Actions speak louder than words.
Now, unlike you, I am happy for a reasonable debate, but you resort to name calling and insults. That is not the way your hero christ is portrayed in the bible. I know this because I am very familiar with the bible. You seem very angry, and this type of language and treatment of others does not model what jesus would want you to do, if he does indeed exist as a son of a diety. From this, I can say you are a christian only by name, not by deed.
This country was not founded on christian theology, that's a straight-up myth. There is no evidence that is was, nothing in the founding documents state that it was. But there are statements to the contrary. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion. Where is that last sentence from?
Face it Herbert, this country is a melting pot of many beliefs. Many are christian, but there are also a GROWING number of non-christians. Atheists are the largest growing demographic group, so you're going to need to learn to co-exist with those who do not share your religious beliefs. There are plenty of countries out there that do provide a religious based government, but the United States was founded on freedom of religion. That means you can practice whatever religion you want or no religion at all. And that government does not endorse any religion or non-religion over another. Therefore, this cross should be moved to private land. That way, it doesn't censor anyone's religious expression except for the government's, which is not entitled to religious belief.
Nick….
The word Atheist is from the Greek “Athe” translating as godless, "ist" denotes a person who practices or is concerned with something, or holds certain principles, doctrines,… SO… Atheism is practicing belief in no God.
Practicing a belief is the same thing Christians, Buddhists and Jews do, applying their belief to life.
An Atheist is actually no different than any other "faith". As a Jew I don't believe in Christ as a Savior…. an Atheist doesn't believe in any supreme being…. there is little REAL difference. When atheists organize and act they are the same as any other religion.
When the government chooses to interpret the First Amendment to mean no reference to God, they are taking on an Atheist position… remember, Athe = Godless.
The Federal Government needs to stay the hell out of these issues as the Bill of Rights prescribes…. NO STATE RELIGION would also include Atheism and every government building without a reference to God is actually atheist.
Reid, you are confusing atheist and secular. An atheist government would proclaim 'there is no god'. A secular government, would not make any statement concerning belief or disbelief in a god. Totally neutral. Atheism is a religion the same as not collecting baseball cards is a hobby.
Wiccans can do whatever, because people with self-esteem could care less about what Wiccans do.
Nick…
The government isn't remaining neutral, they consistently take the atheist side in these questions..
Were the Atheists to choose to simply not collect baseball cards, there would be no issue. Instead they are pressuring the weak kneed government to prohibit showing baseball cards in a public venue.
They don't have to collect baseball cards, or even Barbie dolls, that's their choice. My issue with them is that they don't extend the same courtesy to others.
A cross that's stood for 50 years harmed nobody for 50 years. Atheists were around when it was erected, but they respected the beliefs of others at the time. Where they used to practice their belief privately, respecting those of others, they now have become an organized "faith" and have set forth on their own crusade. Much like the original crusades, the intention seems to be to further their own beliefs, or lack thereof.
Am I pushing the definitions a bit, certainly, not through ignorance but to make a point. The government should be secular, the actions of late aren't and it is with them, not atheists with whom I take issue.
Nick Wrong
This cross has been around for a long time, and no one has complained until now. It hasnt hurt or bothered anyone and filing suit is so trivial. The word "offended" is way overly used like a cheap $1 hooker that its practically laughable, and yes, whiners and crybaby's are always feeling offended by this symbol time and again that they have to look to the courts for legal remedy and a shoulder to cry on. Call it what you will. The day the "seperation of church and state" becomes a constitutional amendment is the day the cross is moved onto so called private land.
Betsy, please at the very least grow up and turn off CNN. You are at best ill informed.
There is no evidence that this country was not founded on christian theology.
"We are endowed by our CREATOR". No to the common intellegent person this means only one thing. GOD, because I do not believe cloning was avail. in 1776.
Athiest largest growing group. Not happening. The Muslim religion is the fastest group.
Freewdom of religion is correct. The main word in this phrase is OF. The problem is that groups like the ACLU continue to put forth that this means, FROM. Thats the problem I have with the ACLU and stances like yours. You and the ACLU contend that the First 10 amendents, BILL OF RIGHTS, are a living document which can be changed at whim of a activist judge, when in fact they are a bill of rights that are set in stone. They only way these and all amendments should ever be changed is thru congress, whiched are voted in by the people. A judge should sit down, shut up, and APPLY the law as it is written.
I can find any Judge in the country that will agree with any arguement over the constitution.
Left or right activist Judges have no business sitting on any bench , let alone for life.'
Sure, if the Pentagram was put there FIFTY-THREE YEARS AGO! AND if the Pentagram can be made to be non-specific as to religion (and I'd like to see you do that; it would be interesting). Betsy Heckman, you're being just like that lawyer; nitpicking about nothing to get attention.
Lawyers are WAAAAAAAY smarter than anyone Joel. He's doing this for your own good. Libs love to do good things for people who are not as smart as them……which is everyone else. Right now I'm listening to libs try to explain why they should control our soft drink intake.
Tyler Johnson
Theres a saying that Im sure you heard of before, "kill all the lawyers". Im not saying it literally, just figuratively. Yeah, I heard about the commiecrats wanting to control what we eat and drink. I say screw them, they should mind what happens in their home and not mine.
I was born and raised in Middleboro and always saw that cross on my way home from travels or just the grocery store. Whoever this attorney is, grow up and get some thicker skin would you. Or maybe we can get a neighbor of yours to plant an even larger cross in their yard. When are you lawyers going to stop ruining our country?
I guess the same time that Christians stop forcing their religion and their way of life down the rest of the world's throat
My question to Besty is where in this picture did it say you must worship at a Christian church? Quit making stuff up
Betsy Heckman Lady-?, you take your hate and move to another country!!!!
Betsy Heckman You and the cows must be eating loco weed!!!
Oh yeah, I mean seriously… I see Christians forcing their beliefs on everyone every day! The mall, the supermarket, online gaming, news, suing athiests for their desires… oh wait… none of that happens. Unfortunately Betsy, you just sound like one of those athiests wtih an axe to grind with your over-exaggerations. People like you rarely have true value in their opinions, just that they hate something and want it done away with. Let the community support an icon of half a century. Only reason why anyone knows about this sign is because of a lawyer trying to make a name for himself. If it wasn't for him, american life would move on without issue or concern. Take your resentment elsewhere.
maybe it's time you didn't get your panties in a bunch from something that is NOT hurting you in any way. I'm an athiest and this generic cross doesn't bother me in the least.
Answer Dan's question Betsy – then move back to Russia
Answer Dan's question Betsy – then move back to Russia
I don't expect her to answer the question, she is just another person who wants to attack a religion. Its just odd to me that all over the news the only religion that is being attacked the most is Christianity. It curious that ffolks who get offended by religious symbols only go after Christians. If you (Besty) are truely for freedom from religious symbols then attack them all. I refer to a comment you made about putting a Wiccan symbol next to this cross. Your words say you are ok if all of them are up there, but not just one or another. Look at this picture it doesn't show where it is at or who owns the yard. This could be someone's lawn that it is on. Have you thought about that???
I don't expect her to answer the question, she is just another person who wants to attack a religion. Its just odd to me that all over the news the only religion that is being attacked the most is Christianity. It curious that ffolks who get offended by religious symbols only go after Christians. If you (Besty) are truely for freedom from religious symbols then attack them all. I refer to a comment you made about putting a Wiccan symbol next to this cross. Your words say you are ok if all of them are up there, but not just one or another. Look at this picture it doesn't show where it is at or who owns the yard. This could be someone's lawn that it is on. Have you thought about that???
Who exactly is forcing you to do anything? I keep hearing this statement, but no one ever offers any specific examples. If this specific cross was 1 foot to the left it all of a sudden doesn't force the religion on you???
Who exactly is forcing you to do anything? I keep hearing this statement, but no one ever offers any specific examples. If this specific cross was 1 foot to the left it all of a sudden doesn't force the religion on you???
How is it hateful to ask that others not shove their religious beliefs down non-believer's throats?
How is it hateful to ask that others not shove their religious beliefs down non-believer's throats?
@Dan Ware : So Dan, you would have no problem with other religions putting up their own signs/symbols next to that cross?
@Dan Ware : So Dan, you would have no problem with other religions putting up their own signs/symbols next to that cross?
Betsy
Its called free will. Your free to listen and accept or not, its as simple as that and your generalizing all Christians. While some would try to shove it down peoples throats, thats not the way for them to act and go about it. Christianity is open to anyone who want to accept it or not, its your choice and if you choose not to, thats your right, but dont clump all Christians together.
Betsy
Its called free will. Your free to listen and accept or not, its as simple as that and your generalizing all Christians. While some would try to shove it down peoples throats, thats not the way for them to act and go about it. Christianity is open to anyone who want to accept it or not, its your choice and if you choose not to, thats your right, but dont clump all Christians together.
Then I take it, "Betsy", that you don't recognize Easter, Christmas, or any other religious holiday celebrated by nearly ALL Americans…but I'll bet you enjoy the time off with pay from your government hack job (that is, if you even know what work is), especially during the Christmas season.
And if I'm wrong about my assumptions and you are a strict God hater, then I truly am glad I'm not you as you must be one miserable, wretched soul!
"IF YOU THINK CHRISTIANITY & AMERICA ARE SO BAD, TRY COMMUNISM"
http://www.zazzle.com/mrunpc*
ANTI-Obama/Democrat/Commie/Union stickers, etc.
Then I take it, "Betsy", that you don't recognize Easter, Christmas, or any other religious holiday celebrated by nearly ALL Americans…but I'll bet you enjoy the time off with pay from your government hack job (that is, if you even know what work is), especially during the Christmas season.
And if I'm wrong about my assumptions and you are a strict God hater, then I truly am glad I'm not you as you must be one miserable, wretched soul!
"IF YOU THINK CHRISTIANITY & AMERICA ARE SO BAD, TRY COMMUNISM"
http://www.zazzle.com/mrunpc*
ANTI-Obama/Democrat/Commie/Union stickers, etc.
fuck you
fuck you
Also if we truely want freedom from religious practices then you can not allow schools to off around Easter, Thanksgiving, or Christmas. Have all of you who are upset by this stopped celelbrating these holidays? Have you told the government that you plan to sue if the nation continues to celebrate these holidays? Those of you who keep looking for your 15 minutes of fame by stirring up this nonsense should get into your history books and also study the amendment about how the government should read the first amendment. To help you out here you go…
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances
ACTUALLY READ IT!!!
the only people or groups forcing anything down our throats are the special interests and minority. just because you are not part of any majority, race, creed, religon, social or financial class, you cry like babies! if we are all eating peanut butter, so are you, if you don't want it, get something else. just don't make us get it for you, pay for it, deliver it, then listen to you bitch about it!!!!
Betsy, Christians are forcing religion on people? Like forcing gay marriage? Forcing taxpayers to pay for sex change operations? It is the athiestic looney left forcing their agenda on everybody else.
You may want to have sex with animals, but I don't, so keep your perverted ides to your self. At least modern Christianity has a set of morals to live by. Your ideas? Animal sex and live sacrifices. You and your kind disgust me and a whole lot of others. A change is coming, and you will not like it, not one bit.
Betsy: No one is forcing Christianity on you or that asinine lawyer. Grow up already and stop being a b****h.
I have been a Christian for over 40 years and have never had the opportunity to see it "forced" on anyone. Stalin, on the other hand, forced his ideology on tens of millions of people and executed and tortured them. Who do you know that has been forced to be a Christian? You are merely spouting the popular jargon that you hear, but it is not reality. If you choose to be Wiccan I allow you that choice…I may not approve of it, as you don't approve of mine…but I certainly wouldn't "force" my faith on you because then it wouldn't be real…It would be phony…and we in the Christian church do not want that within our body of the congregation. We truly only want real believers.. We wish everyone would consider the claims of Christ, but have no desire to force it…FORCE is a pretty strong word.
Paul, I am sorry you were raised in Middleboro. It must have been tough living amongst the American Taliban.
YES! And that religion called Liberalism should be taken out of government too! I agree!
Betsy that is pathetic , and annoying to say the least. "Forcing religion down your throat?" Please , if you dont like it dont look simple as that. Athiests and all like them are whats wrong with this country.
Joel Rivera The big issue for her and other liberals is the fact that they should not have to feel offended. Feelings. But, in the USA, you are FREE to be offended. I say we separate the Liberal Church and State. They FEEL fine about killing unborn children if they are not the right sex and FEEL great when they can help someone else with YOUR hard-earned money. They FEEL scared if they think you might cling to your guns and Bibles.
Betsy Heckman : Why don't you go to Saudi Arabia and say that about Islam? Just saying.
Betsy Heckman when has a christian ever forced anything down that ugly throat of yours? And if Christians were forcing themselves on the rest of the world why is the Muslim population so large still? Go back to your girlfriend and stop getting mad because you failed to educate yourself.
who's forcing religion on anyone? besides the muslims that is….seriously betsy, get a clue. that cross has probably been there for years. noone is forcing anything on anyone besides liberals forcing their almighty morality on the rest of us.
IBetsy needs to take a Prozac and take a nap – I don't see Christians forcing anything down any ones throats, but I do see an awful lot of angry liberals slinging a lot of hateful comments.
Truman Hill and I totally agree with you Truman. Betsy would do a lot better in a different country – obviously she doesn't like it here.
betsy, has anyone ever forced you to attend a christian church? has anyone ever forced you to say the lords prayer, if not, kindly stfu
seems like it wasnt forced down your throat far enough, but you fell in line at school and become a zombie that believed all that they told you that their is no God and that you can defend your beliefs by criticizing other people
Betsy Heckman —-you are one disgusting person. I bet you worship little barry, because he gives you free stuff and things
Jump all over that when:
1. You can prove any of that premise.
2. When Islam lets you keep a throat to have anything to force down.
3. Stop with the wimpy mantra and start paying attention.
But it's OK for others to tell us what to do and what to believe, huh? NO WAY! THAT is the true interpretation of separation of Church and State. The government cannot not compel a belief , or nonbelief system!
Betsy Heckman Hey, Babe. F*ck You! Have a nice day.
I never have anyone pushing anything down my throat except anthiests. They are in everyones faces about this and that, the rest I see on CNN but never experience for myself. So stop with the crap ok?
Praise the Lord and pass the ammo.
You must have had a bad church experience when you were younger. You really hate christians dont you. Iv seen you post on many of these types of articles ,always negative to christians.Some body hold a gun to your head and force you to believe? Sad!
People are idiots. That's all I have to say.
bingo, remember pet rocks? look who is president I rest my case!
It is there for definition numbers 4, 5, and/or 7 (below) and those have nothing to do with religion.
wor·ship /ˈwɜrʃɪp/ Show Spelled [wur-ship] Show IPA noun, verb, wor·shiped, wor·ship·ing or ( especially British ) wor·shipped, wor·ship·ping.
noun
1. reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred.
2. formal or ceremonious rendering of such honor and homage: They attended worship this morning.
3. adoring reverence or regard: excessive worship of business success.
4. the object of adoring reverence or regard.
5. ( initial capital letter ) British. a title of honor used in addressing or mentioning certain magistrates and others of high rank or station (usually preceded by Your, His, or Her ).
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Adverb (used with object).
6. to render religious reverence and homage to.
7. to feel an adoring reverence or regard for (any person or thing).
He's an A$$!
Another cheap lawyer looking for publicty, likely to try to save his failing law practice. Since I am offended by his actions he should immediately stop practicing law. How soon do you think that will happen? LOL, what an idiot.
What do you call 10 lawyers behind bars? A start.
If it overhangs the public right-of-way by six inches, then move it six or seven inches away from it. And DOT says they will assist with the move so that should take care of the problem and the attorney can sleep better at night. By the way, I'm offended that this moron is offended.
Then the pathetic mouth piece will be offended that the DOT is assisting—
did he get out of his car and measure the distance or does he have a
"calibrated" eye that just knew it was over the line? good grief
The attorney offends me can we have him removed?
Nah. He's a zero and will go broke soon enough chasing wooden crosses instead of ambulances. Lots more money in blood and guts.
The attorney offends me can we have him removed?
it makes me sick that people get offended over anything. I'm starting to believe that our rights are being taken away by these so called "attorneys" and people of authority. I feel like our country is slowly being taken away because some people are cry babies.
our rights are being taken away.a lot of ppl r just super sensitive.but its fox news what do u expect
our rights are being taken away.a lot of ppl r just super sensitive.but its fox news what do u expect
Corinna, sounds like you are offended by this.
What the he** does Fox News have to do with the attorneys actions? They just REPORTED it!
im offended over cry babies crying over something like this. there are real issues out there that need to be looked at.
andrew, seriously? WTF does fox news have to do with this besides reporting it? if u dont like fox, why are you here? go back to the huffington post where they only report the truth…ROFL.
Andrew Grove – I happen to think Corinna is absolutely correct and I blame the ACLU for a lot of our problems regarding Christianity.
What does Fox News have to do with this story other than it simply reported it???
The price we pay for liberty is less security and the possibility of feeling offended. If soemone offends physically, call the police. Otherwise, sticks and stones….
What does Fox news have to do with anything? They're the only news media that actually tell the truth sometimes. The rest of them are so concerned with pushing their agenda that they're not worried about a little thing like accuracy and fairness in reporting the news.
it makes me sick that people get offended over anything. I'm starting to believe that our rights are being taken away by these so called "attorneys" and people of authority. I feel like our country is slowly being taken away because some people are cry babies.
Can anyone find out who this attorney is….time for bombartment of emails and facebook smack.
Oooo … big tough guy from behind the safety of your keyboard.
Oooo … big tough guy from behind the safety of your keyboard.
Can anyone find out who this attorney is….time for bombartment of emails and facebook smack.
As long as the town doesn't prevent any other religion from putting up a sign or symbol of their own then there's no problem.
As long as the town doesn't prevent any other religion from putting up a sign or symbol of their own then there's no problem.
FIND HIS NAME AND ADDRESS AND PRINT THEM FOR ALL TO KNOW.
FIND HIS NAME AND ADDRESS AND PRINT THEM FOR ALL TO KNOW.
@Ron Dawkins: for what, Ron – are you doing to protest in front of his house with pitchforks and torches in hand? Maybe you plan to put a flaming cross on his front lawn, but that would imply something else, now wouldn't it?
Why, so you can do the "Christian" thing and harass him? Maybe do some violence?
No, I'd just like to send him a Christmas card with a nice big Cross on it.
Steafan Dubhuidhe lol, its so easy to spot a liberal. your comments are totally idiotic.
Don't be an arse, Steafan. What he needs is obscurity. Never harass or do violence to the mentally afflicted. Pray for or have pity upon them depending upon what you do or do not believe.
Steafan Dubhuidhe: Oh you mean like Freedom from Religion and Muslims right? Pfft. Hypocrisy is a spreading disease. So is stupidity. Get yourself vaccinated against it soon please.
No, we're doing the Progressive thing and harrassing. But, not the liberal thing of looting and occupying.
No, so we can give our opinion. He took the time and trouble, IN A TOWN HE DIDN'T EVEN LIVE IN, to file a complaint and give HIS opinion. He should be told, in a calm manner, that many people disagree with him and that their opinion is JUST as relevant as his.
Donald D'Agostino Sending a card like that would be the same as shining the sun on him.
Steafan-What would you do-comend him for driving into a strange town and cause a bunch of nonsense crap?
Steafan Dubhuidhe ; Actually, I think its more like HES harassing the town and its people to remove a cross that he has seen once in his life. He doesn't drive through the town, he doesn't live there, the CITIZENS have said they want it, and yet hes pursuing charges against the town to have it removed regardless of all of this? If that's not some form of harassment then I don't know what is. He must lead a very boring life.
Gah, this is NOT a state sponsored religion you nimrod of a lawyer! There is NO amendment in the Bill of Rights or anywhere else in the Constitution that says "Separation of Church and State". Actually, it says that the government will NOT stop people from expressing their beliefs. But having a sign hang over state property by 6 inches does not constitute a government sponsored religion….. How did this guy ever pass the bar?
Bingo!!! One that actually "gets it". We must apply something that liberal politicians don't have, common sense!!!
Wow…you are someone who actually KNOWS what it says…the statement of "separation of church and state" is a MYTH that exists nowhere except n the minds and hopes of subversive people.
You're right–the phrase comes from Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists. Basically, the religious part of the First Amendment says that the state can't interfere with the church (as did Henry VIII by declaring himself head of the English church).
BTW, our history is full of pastors and ministers who served in public office. Public affairs used to be spoken of IN CHURCHES (it was only in 1954 that an IRS regulation was used to end this).
Katheryne Koelker : Yes! What he meant, was that the State should never interfere with the Church. It was meant to protect the Church from the State, and now we have liberals by the gazillions using it the other way around. SO glad to see that a few people understand that!
Gah, this is NOT a state sponsored religion you nimrod of a lawyer! There is NO amendment in the Bill of Rights or anywhere else in the Constitution that says "Separation of Church and State". Actually, it says that the government will NOT stop people from expressing their beliefs. But having a sign hang over state property by 6 inches does not constitute a government sponsored religion….. How did this guy ever pass the bar?
We'll get rid of the states attorney first. Politicians come and go.
We'll get rid of the states attorney first. Politicians come and go.
I'm offended by all the atheists' rhetoric. When can we have them removed?
You might want to check out the Constitution of the United States, in particular the First Amendment. Atheists don't care if you practice your religion – they just don't want it shove in their faces and laws passed based upon your religious beliefs.
Oh – and they don't want your religious symbols on public property.
I'm offended by all the atheists' rhetoric. When can we have them removed?
Betsy – seriously? This is not hurting anyone and you have no "right" to not be offended. It has been up for a half century. There is no edict in the Constitution demanding separation to this degree. Liberals ought to take time to actually read it. It is really time to tell attention hounds like this lawyer and most libs (who apparently have childhood scars) to mind their own damn business and worry about their own lives and quit interfering in everyone else's .
Gosh I wonder who they would sue when the founders of our great country established the Bible as the first reader for public schools. Ouch! Bet that makes their blood sizzle
Well stated Susan…what about the fact that Harvard and Yale began with a Christian basis to train persons for a life of serving God.
Susan Kaitukoff Yes–I once saw a reader with ALL of the lessons taken from Scripture.
@Susan Kaitukoff: I'll bet that no religion in public schools must make your brain and the pinhead that contains it sizzle.
Betsy – seriously? This is not hurting anyone and you have no "right" to not be offended. It has been up for a half century. There is no edict in the Constitution demanding separation to this degree. Liberals ought to take time to actually read it. It is really time to tell attention hounds like this lawyer and most libs (who apparently have childhood scars) to mind their own damn business and worry about their own lives and quit interfering in everyone else's .
Can everyone guess what political persuasion this "attorney" belongs to? If you said "democrat", you're partially correct. If you said Communist, you are 100% correctamundo!
I just hope that a LOT more Americans are paying attention to who and what the "democrat" party now represents because it certainly isn't America, in any way, shape or form, anymore. And you need look no further that the illegal Kenyan Muslim Marxist racist Chicago street monkey currently squatting in OUR White House to understand.
There is a massive conspiracy taking place in America by Communists using "democrat" party as it's zombie host to destroy the country bit by bit. The citizens in Taxachusetts and nationwide had better wake up THIS year and throw these America haters OUT OF OFFICE AT EVERY POLITICAL LEVEL, INCLUDING THE PRESIDENCY, unless they want to live in N. Korea, Iran, Red China, Venezuela or some other 3rd world hell hole with 5 years!
NOT ONE LIBERAL/LEFTIST/COMMIE/DEMOCRAT CAN PROVE THAT OBAMA IS A US CITIZEN, they can only demonize, trash, and seek to destroy/discredit those producing FACTS, DOCUMENTS, and HARD EVIDENCE to the contrary. AND THAT IS A FACT!
Thanks to a REAL American hero, we now know that we have a usurper in OUR White House. AZ Sheriff Joe Arpaio's Cold Case Posse's MONTHS LONG investigation by EXPERTS IN THEIR PROFESSIONS has proven that BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA is GUILTY OF HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS. The ONLY reason he hasn't been taken away in chains is the fact that he has his COMMUNIST comrades (Soros, etc.) completely controlling the US media. Just imagine if he were a Republican and tried to pull the greatest hoax in the history of the country?
View the full analysis of the FORGED/FRAUDULENT/FAKE BIRTH CERTIFICATE that Obama release in April of 2011:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/83609197/Mara-Zebest-s-Report-on-Barack-Obama-Long-Form-BC-to-AZ-Sheriff-Joe-Arpaio-and-Cold-Case-Posse
View Sheriff Joe Arpaio's complete March 1st press conference at http://www.wnd.com.
http://www.zazzle.com/mrunpc
ANTI-Obama/Democrat/Commie/Union stickers, etc.
"chicago street monkey"?? Dude maybe you should go back to your racist hidey hole and bang your cousin you ignorant fuckwad
The demonizing of Christ and the Bible are actually proof that Christianity is true…it was prophesied that we would come under sever persecution in the last days…We have an enemy and the enemy won't waste his time with fake faiths…he is gonna go after the real thing. Thank goodness this is not where it all ends…
Can everyone guess what political persuasion this "attorney" belongs to? If you said "democrat", you're partially correct. If you said Communist, you are 100% correctamundo!
I just hope that a LOT more Americans are paying attention to who and what the "democrat" party now represents because it certainly isn't America, in any way, shape or form, anymore. And you need look no further that the illegal Kenyan Muslim Marxist racist Chicago street monkey currently squatting in OUR White House to understand.
There is a massive conspiracy taking place in America by Communists using "democrat" party as it's zombie host to destroy the country bit by bit. The citizens in Taxachusetts and nationwide had better wake up THIS year and throw these America haters OUT OF OFFICE AT EVERY POLITICAL LEVEL, INCLUDING THE PRESIDENCY, unless they want to live in N. Korea, Iran, Red China, Venezuela or some other 3rd world hell hole with 5 years!
NOT ONE LIBERAL/LEFTIST/COMMIE/DEMOCRAT CAN PROVE THAT OBAMA IS A US CITIZEN, they can only demonize, trash, and seek to destroy/discredit those producing FACTS, DOCUMENTS, and HARD EVIDENCE to the contrary. AND THAT IS A FACT!
Thanks to a REAL American hero, we now know that we have a usurper in OUR White House. AZ Sheriff Joe Arpaio's Cold Case Posse's MONTHS LONG investigation by EXPERTS IN THEIR PROFESSIONS has proven that BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA is GUILTY OF HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS. The ONLY reason he hasn't been taken away in chains is the fact that he has his COMMUNIST comrades (Soros, etc.) completely controlling the US media. Just imagine if he were a Republican and tried to pull the greatest hoax in the history of the country?
View the full analysis of the FORGED/FRAUDULENT/FAKE BIRTH CERTIFICATE that Obama release in April of 2011:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/83609197/Mara-Zebest-s-Report-on-Barack-Obama-Long-Form-BC-to-AZ-Sheriff-Joe-Arpaio-and-Cold-Case-Posse
View Sheriff Joe Arpaio's complete March 1st press conference at http://www.wnd.com.
http://www.zazzle.com/mrunpc
ANTI-Obama/Democrat/Commie/Union stickers, etc.
What is the name of this attorney who complained? I would like someone to find out and post it, so people who are of faith can boycott his practice.
What is the name of this attorney who complained? I would like someone to find out and post it, so people who are of faith can boycott his practice.
He "happened to be driving through town"? Can somebody please explain to me…or even more appropriately, to that court…how a passerby has a compelling interest to bring a case of this nature to the court in the first place? Doesn't he have to prove real and actual harm has been done by the presence of the cross? I mean, unless and until that passerby produces psychologists and other professionals to testify under oath that he is suffering irreversible harm as a result of simply seeing that statue as he drove by it, I don't see a case here! Same thing with all these other frivolous cases against various and sundry memorials, head bowings, and other shows of respect. These are merely transparent efforts (sadly, usually successful) to remove every vestige of Christianity (and it IS Christianity that is under attack, since no other religion is ever brought up in a suit of this nature) from our national landscape and from the minds of our citizenry.
Thank you Lee!!
My guess is that he already suffered real and irreversible harm long before this action. The source of his angst.
Tyler, are you thinking law school may have done the damage?
Law school didn't do it. Finishing dead last did.
So true, Lee. Let's see this nitwit go after Muslim symbols, Wiccan symbols and all other religious symbols. It offends ME that all these people only target Christians and Christian symbols. It's so obvious that it would be pathetic, if it weren't so chillingly reminiscent of Hitler and his hatred of Jews.
He "happened to be driving through town"? Can somebody please explain to me…or even more appropriately, to that court…how a passerby has a compelling interest to bring a case of this nature to the court in the first place? Doesn't he have to prove real and actual harm has been done by the presence of the cross? I mean, unless and until that passerby produces psychologists and other professionals to testify under oath that he is suffering irreversible harm as a result of simply seeing that statue as he drove by it, I don't see a case here! Same thing with all these other frivolous cases against various and sundry memorials, head bowings, and other shows of respect. These are merely transparent efforts (sadly, usually successful) to remove every vestige of Christianity (and it IS Christianity that is under attack, since no other religion is ever brought up in a suit of this nature) from our national landscape and from the minds of our citizenry.
I DARE anyone to find the words seperation of church and state in the US constitution since it doesn't exist STFU!
You don't need the words "separation of church and state." Read the First Amendment. It says "CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW RESPECTING AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION". The Supreme Court has ruled that this applies to all governments within the United States, not just the federal government. Therefore, you lose, Rob.
It says "shall make no law" it doesn't say complete separation. It doesn't say you can't pray in the state house or the capitol. You just typed it, didn't you read what you typed?
Steafan Dubhuidhe You are totally WRONG. The SCOTUS states the Gov't cannot favor one relegion over another. Nothing to stop it from allowing it. And ther 1st Ammendment was to PREVENT the GOVT from limiting religion not the other way.
Marty, there are countless examples across the USA of just this kind of law suit. The freaks that push their cross on us always lose, as they will in this case. The courts will rule that the cross must be removed or that the traffic island must be opened up to religious displays from other religions.
Steafan Dubhuidhe – You forgot the second part of that statement, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of a religion, NOR PROHIBIT THE FREE EXPRESSION THEREOF." Apparently you only want to take bits and pieces of a statement to prove your false statement. I can now understand why you make your statements that you do since you have a Marxist Labor Party as your picture.
Steafan Dubhuidhe – You forgot the second part of that statement, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of a religion, NOR PROHIBIT THE FREE EXPRESSION THEREOF." Apparently you only want to take bits and pieces of a statement to prove your false statement. I can now understand why you make your statements that you do since you have a Marxist Labor Party as your picture.
Marty is right. I will also add that the wording of the 18th century is misconstrued in todays terms. "CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW RESPECTING AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION" means that Congress or any part of the federal government can not establish any one particular religion as the state religion of the U.S. It however does not mean it can not support it. Where do you think a portion of the money comes from to build churches, synagogues and (ugh) mosques? Why do you think ANY legit religion can apply for tax exemptions?
Steafan= no, you are the loser.
Hey Steafan, obviously you lose, you cannot read your own copy and paste statement. "No law respecting an establishment of religion", that does not even come close to a legal explaination of a cross not paid for by the town. Course UMASS explains alot
Carol, grow some smarts and read the text on my icon. It's an advertisement from the 1920s. That aside, it has long ago been concluded that using public lands for the placing of religious icons, unless they are open to all other religions, constitutes a government endorsement of a specific religion. I realize that watching Fox News has stunted your intellectual growth, but come, on… This is not rocket science.
I DO NOT LOSE you CANNOT READ nice try
setting a cross in the street is not establishing a law you loser!
I DARE anyone to find the words seperation of church and state in the US constitution since it doesn't exist STFU!
Kevin Lomax: Why the law, Dad?
Satan: Because the law, my boy, puts us into everything. It's the ultimate backstage pass. It's the new priesthood, Baby. Did you know that there are more students in law school than there are lawyers walking the Earth. We're coming out. Guns blazing. The two of you, all of us, acquital after acquital until the stench of it reaches so high and far into Heaven it chokes the whole f***ing lot of them.
Kevin Lomax: Why the law, Dad?
Satan: Because the law, my boy, puts us into everything. It's the ultimate backstage pass. It's the new priesthood, Baby. Did you know that there are more students in law school than there are lawyers walking the Earth. We're coming out. Guns blazing. The two of you, all of us, acquital after acquital until the stench of it reaches so high and far into Heaven it chokes the whole f***ing lot of them.
Can somebody find out who this idiot is? Would love to crash his email.
Absolutely not worth your time. Since he has too much of it on his hands why waste yours?
We're coming for the money next, people. "In God We Trust" will someday be a thing of the past.
Some people need to get a life.
I am always amazed how we get to this as an interpretation of “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”.
Interesting how the pro-religious comments remain, but comments against religion are deleted.
The First Amendment has been destroyed by judicial activist Justices. The framers of our constitution did not have the intention of taking any actions close to what we see today. Liberal Justices hate our constitution and will do anything they can to alter or degrade it. Seperation of Church and State means the State can't endorse a particular religion. Endorsing requires ACTION. Allowing people to put up whatever they feel is not an endorsement. Funding is an endorsement. Advocating is an endorsement. Silence is not. Silence is neutral. If someone puts a cross up and it isn't paid for or advocated by the State, it ISN'T ENDORSEMENT. Silence is usually only used for protection against self-incrimination and assention of guilt (rare). Justices like Ginsburg and Stevens need to go.
This insane political correctness is going to be the death of us!
The precedent for these types of cases was set in 1947 with Everson versus Board of Education. You can, of course, dislike Ginsburg and Stevens all you want, but you can't blame them for a decision that was made when they were kids.
Precedent is fine. Adding to precedent is not as okay. It's like adding a layer of gloss with each liberalization of the Establishment Clause. Ginsburg and Stevens have been responsible for having records of the most judicial activism in this area. Please check your facts and history before claiming someone is wrong. Either way, blame can be spread evenly and that includes Ginsburg and Stevens. It also includes Breyer as well.
So what cases are you concerned about when it comes to those two justices? Also, last I checked, it took 5 justices to obtain a majority. So if you don't like the decisions, you'll need to spread your vitriol among 5 of them, not just 2 or 3.
I totally agree that this is political correctness run amok…this from the party that was supposed to support "tolerance" and shave down the "divide" between people…all they have done is EMPHASIZE differences and MAKE them an issue when they weren't before…look what has happened to the issue of racism…our society was definitely better 30 years ago…
This just shows we have too many lawyers just looking for things to be outraged about.
I guess next they will sue to remove crosses from the National and State cemetaries. After all it is public land.
That is sad.
We have unemployment at over 8% and actually much higher than that when you count people that have stopped looking for work. We have about 50% of our great nation drawing some sort of state benefit, we have problems with hunger all over the world, Europe going bankrupt, Iran with nuclear weapons. And here we are offended by a cross? Doesn't the people of the world have enough on their plate without worrying about a cross that is 6 inches over some invisable line. And Betsy Heckman, Christians want all people to go to Heaven. As such, we tell people about God. But I have never…never know a Christian to force religion on anybody. God says, One day everyone will know God…however, to some, it will be too late. But it is your decision.
Thanks for the reply, throughly enjoyed it. one correction, the actual (not official) unemployment rate in the US is 17%
They only count unemployment numbers from the unemployment insurance which now covers less than 1/2 of those out of work
Al Rullo must have a low IQ if he thinks the cross does not favor one religion over another. It obviously favors Christianity over all other religions. He has no problem with the word "Worship"? Well, atheists do have a problem with "worship." Once again, he is pushing religion. Get rid of the cross!
you do not even live in Middleboro, what makes this such a big deal since ytou prob never even seen it. STFU would you? You are not that important that we need to hear you commenting on something that is related to our town.
Paul: two things here. (1) The is the United States of America and the issue is a Constitutional issue, which means it applies across the entire United States. (2) You are posting from Gulfport, Florida, not Middleboro, Massachusetts, so enjoy basking in the infamy of your hypocrisy.
Born and raised in Middleboro. It is a issue raised by the bain of our modern existance lawyers, and one who drove through middleboro, not residing there. And you are not from middleboro prob never even been there. So why not shut your pathetic mouth and find a life of your own instead of bothering people elsewhere. I am sure there is plenty of hate you can generate more locally.
I Guess The Lawyer And Becky Are Hypocrites, Unless He Gets Paid For Legal Fees In Pigs! If He Or Becky Have A Dollar Bill In There Pocket, Look At It Close ( In GOD WE TRUST) Is Printed On It. Just Saying.
Don't see the name of a church on it —or of a faith.
If the cross(a christian symbol) is on or partially on government land, the simple solution is to move it somewhere else. I'm sure there is a christian in this town willing to use their private property to host such a statue.
Otherwise, this opens up a can of worms in regards to equal opportunity for display on public ground. They should put up a giant Flying Spaghetti Monster next to it and see how well that goes over!
how about cutting 6" off the cross.
Ahh, the bigots of the world! Gotta love'em!
Oh, Betsy what symbol do you athiests like to use? Why don't you plaster it everywhere? I'm sure there is something that strikes y'alls fancy! Let's build a place where we can include every sysbol on Earth! Then we can all go and worship our gods or ourselves without being douchey!