A Virginia lawmaker is calling on the Air Force to reverse a decision to remove a Latin reference to “God” from a logo after an atheist group complained.
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Rep. Randy Forbes, (R-VA), said the Air Force removed the logo several weeks ago from the Rapid Capabilities Office. The patch included a line written in Latin that read, “Doing God’s Work with Other People’s Money.”
But after the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers complained, Forbes said the line was rewritten in Latin to read, “Doing Miracles with Other People’s Money.”
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Forbes, along with a bi-partisan group of 35 lawmakers, sent a letter to Air Force Secretary Michael Donley and Air Force Chief of Staff Norton Schwartz expressing concern over the decision to remove a non-religious reference to God.
“It is most egregious,” Forbes told Fox News. “The Air Force is taking the tone that you can’t even use the word ‘God.’”
Forbes said his office contacted the Air Force and officials there confirmed that the logo had been changed after the atheist group complained.
A spokesman for the Air Force told Fox News they had received the letter and would investigate the claims.
Forbes said the removal of “God” is a “bridge too far in terms of the rights of men and women who serve in our services and their ability to express their faith.”
“But the significance of this is what the Air Force is saying with this move – that the word ‘God’ – whether it has any reference to faith or not, can’t be used in the Air Force,” Forbes said.
He said the incident is one of several in recent months that have caused him to wonder if the military is cleansing itself of religious references.
“It’s a very dangerous course to take,” he said.
“I am concerned that the RCO capitulated to pressure from an outside group that consistently seeks to remove references to God and faith in our military,” he said. ‘The RCO’s action to modify the logo sets a dangerous precedent that all references to God, regardless of context, must be removed from the military.”
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I'm with you Jeff
NPR reporter Todd Starnes should be fired. The pledge that he did not stand for is to show our pledge to this country. NPR is funded by money from the same country that the pledge is about. If he can not stand up for the pledge to this country, then he shouldn't be paid with money from this country.
NPR reporter Todd Starnes should be fired. The pledge that he did not stand for is to show our pledge to this country. NPR is funded by money from the same country that the pledge is about. If he can not stand up for the pledge to this country, then he shouldn't be paid with money from this country.
If they hate God, I say send them to Hell.
Both AF Sec Donley and AF CoS Schwartz must be removed. Even if under orders the order must be sound and just…who gave this order? The people of the U.S. want the Cross in our lives as a majority..like or not the majority will rule…this is a shameful display from those that dictate what is intolerable.
If the Nazis could have: GOD WITH US on their belt buckles then that just proves how righteous you are if the word "god" is smeared all over your military.
There is an Air Force Instruction AFI 84-105 (Table 3.1) that states offices such as this are not authorized to even have or display an emblem of their own, so it should be recinded in its entirety. If the commander of this office knew the rules they would not have brung the discredit to the USAF that they already have. I should know, I'm in the business of emblem review/approval. I think a call/visit to the AF/IG is in order.
How it that we've gone from"the majority rules" to catering to every whining minority group? So we can believe whatever we like, as long as the minority groups aren't offended, is that it?
Been saying it forever!! It's turned into "I have to offend myself so I don't offend you!!!"
Been saying it forever!! It's turned into "I have to offend myself so I don't offend you!!!"
I sure miss the old Air Force leaders of Genaral Lemay style of leading.
I sure miss the old Air Force leaders of Genaral Lemay style of leading.
I sure miss the old Air Force leaders of Genaral Lemay style of leading.
Didn't know the Air Force had a Logo. When people ask me which branch of the service I was in, I would jokingly say: The Sissy Service (Air Force). Looks like I was right all those times. What a shame. Justin was right.
This is a travesty! "Thou shalt bomb non-Americans" is my favourite of all Jesus' teachings….
This is a travesty! "Thou shalt bomb non-Americans" is my favourite of all Jesus' teachings….
That's crap to remove "God", and it makes me ashamed of my Air Force. Jeff, I agree with you. You said even more than what I was thinking! Queers, faggots, nonbelievers, go find yourself a cave…preferably away from American, God-fearing, NORMAL people. Let me revel in a rainbow and the color lavender without ugly connotations. You weirdos are ruining America.
The Romanian flag has yellow on it, and Romanians are a bit different than normal Murricans, so can we get mad at yellow too?
These non-believers, Athiests, yada, yada, yada and so forth have a rude awakening at the end of their road. One can tear down all the crosses they like & all the symbols of God, Jesus Christ, Christianity and so forth but they will NEVER ACCOMPLISH whatever they are hoping to accomplish. Christian's realize and know that these actions will do absolutely NOTHING in their effort to erase God from the sight of as many as they can. God isn't the church, the people are the church. The cross isn't Jesus, it is the reminder of the promises God has made to all believers, the cross represents how Jesus died on the cross that day and of His ressurrection. It is a symbol of hope & love & faith. These symbols are the reminders of what lay ahead for those of us who have turned our lives over to Him.
You can rip the chain that holds the cross from around my neck, sell it for dope if that is all it means to you. But I have my faith in my heart where it belongs. Nobody will ever take it away from me. You can take all these things away from me and away from the world but you will never make God disappear from the true believer's heart and soul, never! I am reminded of the story of Helen Keller who was deaf, blind & dumb. Who after she learned how to 'write' in the palm of the hand with finger speak a Minister came to Helen to tell her the Good News of the Gospel. As the Minister was 'writing' in Helen's hand she was excitedly overwhelmed with the message. Helen grabbed the Ministers hand spelling into his palm, " I know Him! I know Him! I just didn't know His name!" I love that story, I love God and I believe in Jesus who died for me so that I may live in Heaven! I believe that this pathetic, domesticated life we live on Earth is not the end, it is a New Beginning to all those who ask. God Bless you!
Christians who support war are like Republicans who support gay people. Very, very confused.
Christians who support war are like Republicans who support gay people. Very, very confused.
OK.. I am sick and tired of all the RepubliTeatards on this board that keep saying.. we are a "Christian Nation", The Founding Fathers were Christian.. blah blah blah… you are all WRONG. STOP MIXING RELIGION WITH POLITICS> You all sound like fucking radical Muslims and this is the main reason why the founding fathers in their wisdom created Freedom of religion.. which means ANY religion or lack off…. this is why Jefferson up the ante with his letters to the archbishops about a Separation of Church and State. The Tea Party i= The American Taliban… oh and by the way… The US Pledge of Allegiance was written by a SOCIALIST! Francis Bellamy, in his Pledge, he is expressing the ideas of his first cousin, Edward Bellamy, author of the American socialist utopian novels, Looking Backward (1888) and Equality (1897).
WE WERE NOT FOUNDED AS A CHRISTIAN NATION The Founding Fathers were DEIST! NOT Christian.
The words "In God We Trust" were not consistently on all U.S. currency until 1956, during the McCarthy Hysteria.
The Treaty of Tripoli, passed by the U.S. Senate in 1797, read in part: "The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." The treaty was written during the Washington administration, and sent to the Senate during the Adams administration. It was read aloud to the Senate, and each Senator received a printed copy. This was the 339th time that a recorded vote was required by the Senate, but only the third time a vote was unanimous (the next time was to honor George Washington). There is no record of any debate or dissension on the treaty. It was reprinted in full in three newspapers – two in Philadelphia, one in New York City. There is no record of public outcry or complaint in subsequent editions of the papers.
Nowhere does the Constitution say: "The United States is a Christian Nation", or anything even close to that. In fact, the words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, Creator, Divine, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution– not even once. Nowhere in the Constitution is religion mentioned, except in exclusionary terms. When the Founders wrote the nation's Constitution, they specified that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Article 6, section 3) This provision was radical in its day– giving equal citizenship to believers and non-believers alike. They wanted to ensure that no religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had.
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Matthew 6:5
“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full!
6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door, and pray to your Father who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
The early Presidents and Patriots were generally Deists or Unitarians, believing in some form of impersonal Providence but rejecting the divinity of Jesus and the absurdities of the Old and New testaments.
Don't take my word for it.. take it from the Founding Fathers themselves… and if even this is not enough.. USE GOOGLE>>> DO RESEARCH… oh yah but that would be like studying and researching and education and all those un-American things obama talks about
Thomas Paine was a pamphleteer whose manifestos encouraged the faltering spirits of the country and aided materially in winning the war of Independence:
I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of…Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."
From:
The Age of Reason by Thomas Paine, pp. 8,9 (Republished 1984, Prometheus Books, Buffalo, NY)
George Washington, the first president of the United States, never declared himself a Christian according to contemporary reports or in any of his voluminous correspondence. Washington Championed the cause of freedom from religious intolerance and compulsion. When John Murray (a universalist who denied the existence of hell) was invited to become an army chaplain, the other chaplains petitioned Washington for his dismissal. Instead, Washington gave him the appointment. On his deathbed, Washinton uttered no words of a religious nature and did not call for a clergyman to be in attendance.
From:
George Washington and Religion by Paul F. Boller Jr., pp. 16, 87, 88, 108, 113, 121, 127 (1963, Southern Methodist University Press, Dallas, TX)
John Adams, the country's second president, was drawn to the study of law but faced pressure from his father to become a clergyman. He wrote that he found among the lawyers 'noble and gallant achievments" but among the clergy, the "pretended sanctity of some absolute dunces". Late in life he wrote: "Twenty times in the course of my late reading, have I been upon the point of breaking out, "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!"
It was during Adam's administration that the Senate ratified the Treaty of Peace and Friendship, which states in Article XI that "the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."
From:
The Character of John Adams by Peter Shaw, pp. 17 (1976, North Carolina Press, Chapel Hill, NC) Quoting a letter by JA to Charles Cushing Oct 19, 1756, and John Adams, A Biography in his Own Words, edited by James Peabody, p. 403 (1973, Newsweek, New York NY) Quoting letter by JA to Jefferson April 19, 1817, and in reference to the treaty, Thomas Jefferson, Passionate Pilgrim by Alf Mapp Jr., pp. 311 (1991, Madison Books, Lanham, MD) quoting letter by TJ to Dr. Benjamin Waterhouse, June, 1814.
Thomas Jefferson, third president and author of the Declaration of Independence, said:"I trust that there is not a young man now living in the United States who will not die a Unitarian." He referred to the Revelation of St. John as "the ravings of a maniac" and wrote:
The Christian priesthood, finding the doctrines of Christ levelled to every understanding and too plain to need explanation, saw, in the mysticisms of Plato, materials with which they might build up an artificial system which might, from its indistinctness, admit everlasting controversy, give employment for their order, and introduce it to profit, power, and pre-eminence. The doctrines which flowed from the lips of Jesus himself are within the comprehension of a child; but thousands of volumes have not yet explained the Platonisms engrafted on them: and for this obvious reason that nonsense can never be explained."
From:
Thomas Jefferson, an Intimate History by Fawn M. Brodie, p. 453 (1974, W.W) Norton and Co. Inc. New York, NY) Quoting a letter by TJ to Alexander Smyth Jan 17, 1825, and Thomas Jefferson, Passionate Pilgrim by Alf Mapp Jr., pp. 246 (1991, Madison Books, Lanham, MD) quoting letter by TJ to John Adams, July 5, 1814.
James Madison, fourth president and father of the Constitution, was not religious in any conventional sense. "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."
From:
The Madisons by Virginia Moore, P. 43 (1979, McGraw-Hill Co. New York, NY) quoting a letter by JM to William Bradford April 1, 1774, and James Madison, A Biography in his Own Words, edited by Joseph Gardner, p. 93, (1974, Newsweek, New York, NY) Quoting Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments by JM, June 1785.
Ethan Allen, whose capture of Fort Ticonderoga while commanding the Green Mountain Boys helped inspire Congress and the country to pursue the War of Independence, said, "That Jesus Christ was not God is evidence from his own words." In the same book, Allen noted that he was generally "denominated a Deist, the reality of which I never disputed, being conscious that I am no Christian." When Allen married Fanny Buchanan, he stopped his own wedding ceremony when the judge asked him if he promised "to live with Fanny Buchanan agreeable to the laws of God." Allen refused to answer until the judge agreed that the God referred to was the God of Nature, and the laws those "written in the great book of nature."
From:
Religion of the American Enlightenment by G. Adolph Koch, p. 40 (1968, Thomas Crowell Co., New York, NY.) quoting preface and p. 352 of Reason, the Only Oracle of Man and A Sense of History compiled by American Heritage Press Inc., p. 103 (1985, American Heritage Press, Inc., New York, NY.)
Benjamin Franklin, delegate to the Continental Congress and the Constitutional Convention, said:
As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion…has received various corrupting Changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his Divinity; tho' it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the Truth with less trouble." He died a month later, and historians consider him, like so many great Americans of his time, to be a Deist, not a Christian.
From:
Benjamin Franklin, A Biography in his Own Words, edited by Thomas Fleming, p. 404, (1972, Newsweek, New York, NY) quoting letter by BF to Exra Stiles March 9, 1970.
I would like to have the word atheist removed from the dictionary because those people offend me.
I would like to have the word atheist removed from the dictionary because those people offend me.
What do you expect our troops have to take orders from UN Officers Our President bows down to other Countries leaders therefore according to this we American's also bow down. And this American Veteran doesn't bow down to anyone on earth. The only person I will bow down to is Jesus the Christ.
What do you expect our troops have to take orders from UN Officers Our President bows down to other Countries leaders therefore according to this we American's also bow down. And this American Veteran doesn't bow down to anyone on earth. The only person I will bow down to is Jesus the Christ.
Everything negative in this country began when obozo took office, he was elected by the youth vote that only follows madana or whatever her name is, a radical left wing fool. Until this person is out of office this will continue and become worse. Our country was founded on God, guts and you got it, guns too. God bless America! Let us keep it forever! Go Romney/Ryan! Great debate last night! Lets do it again, that was fun to watch him squirm because the lame media could do nothing!
As a Christian in a country that promotes religious freedom, I am offended that any reference to God is being systematically taken out of every reference to Him. We are on the wide road to hell and if we don't turn away from that direction towoard the narrow way to heaven, there will be many people in hell that thought there was no such thing as a God, a living Spirit.
That's ok my poor misguided liberal friends. You just keep listening to almighty Hussein Obama. Keep waging your war on the Christian religion. When Barry's raghead buddies take over you will be begging for us White Christian Males to take the country back.
These atheists will get away with what they can, while they can, for as long as they can. This country needs to turn the clock back about 200 years. Yeah, try 1812. See how things were in our country then. Like, there was really a RIGHT and really a WRONG. That government leaders openly spoke about God, and not just at someone's funeral. As things are now, we have little confidence in what goes on day-to-day. People are just trying to undermine our country. We have to stand for something, or we won't be a country. We will crumble, as so many other countries have.
Hey Joshua, That is Article 11 of the treaty you are quoting. As usual only the part you want to use is the part you want everyone to believe. The treaty remained on the books for 8 years, when it was renegotiated and Article 11 was removed.
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We get our rights from God….. So Says our Constitution. I hate to think of the weak link in our Air Force that caved in so easily too a atheist (Godless) group, but is supposed to stand up to the Russians and Chinese Military….No place for spineless Officers….. If you don, t believe in God, who gives you the right to protest anything? In this country, under this constitution, God Does. The President and all our elected officials swear to preserve and protect the Constitution as the 1st responsibility… before defending the citizen…. If anyone says there is separation of church and state in that document they are misinformed…it simply says Congress shall pass no law establishing a national religion or restricting the freedom to worship… The comment about separation was a opinion in the federalist papers by 1 person ( Madison I think?) and was not included in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution.
While I do not believe in the Christian god, I do believe in a greater being. Even if I did not, I still believe in the freedom of religion, and the right to assemble. I believe that denying any group the right to put the word GOD on something is a repression of their rights and freedoms. America is losing it's respect for the constitutional freedoms that we are given. Leave things alone, just because they say GOD on them no one is forcing you to pray to him. Blessed be.
According to Obama thre is no god but Allah. Get rid of him and the problem goes away.
How sad. I once admired the Air Force…just political correct cowards now…
How sad. Good thing no one can remove Him from my heart. God Bless America!!
"Doing [insert whatever] with other people's money"… hehehe… I think that got to be the most stupid mission statement anyway. Frankly speaking, I think if you're going to invoke the name of God, don't do it with such a ridiculous phrase. That said, it should probably be the Fed's motto: "Doing nothing with other people's money".
What do you expect? Soon we will be grinding the cross and star of david from the head stones in the national cemetaries. The we will change the name of Corpus Christi and St. Paul because the are religious. That is how stupid this crap is.
Atheists' and their superiority complex's… need to find better things to do. Just hush up and leave everyone alone..how bored can one be.
Atheists' and their superiority complex's… need to find better things to do. Just hush up and leave everyone alone..how bored can one be.
To HELL with the atheist groups! I spent almost 8 years in the Air Force. What in the Hell is wrong with these people? This country was founded on religious principles. If they don't like it, LET THEM LEAVE! And shame on the AF for being a bunch of sissies. I'm now ashamed to say I was one of them.
To HELL with the atheist groups! I spent almost 8 years in the Air Force. What in the Hell is wrong with these people? This country was founded on religious principles. If they don't like it, LET THEM LEAVE! And shame on the AF for being a bunch of sissies. I'm now ashamed to say I was one of them.